Being the wrong part of the country, I will be unable to attend this meeting. However, it sounds very interesting and useful. Could we ask that anyone who is able to get there tell us what they learnt from the evening? Thanks Heather On 05/04/2011 15:30, Arthur Lewis wrote: > Worcester Branch of the BMSGH > A meeting to be held in Worcester will be of interest to those using the internet to research their ancestors. Paul Hudson, the manager of the Worcestershire Library and History Centre, will give a talk entitled "Further steps with Ancestry.co.uk". This website was recently voted the most influential family history website of the decade. The talk will be of interest not only to those already using the site but also to new users. > > The meeting is organised by the Worcester branch of the Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy and History and will be held at The Baptist Church Hall, Sansome Walk, Worcester, on Friday, 8th April 2011 starting at 7.30 pm. Visitors are welcome. Entrance fee: Members - free; non-members £2. > > More details can be found at www.worcesterbmsgh.co.uk > > Arthur Lewis > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Worcester Branch of the BMSGH A meeting to be held in Worcester will be of interest to those using the internet to research their ancestors. Paul Hudson, the manager of the Worcestershire Library and History Centre, will give a talk entitled "Further steps with Ancestry.co.uk". This website was recently voted the most influential family history website of the decade. The talk will be of interest not only to those already using the site but also to new users. The meeting is organised by the Worcester branch of the Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy and History and will be held at The Baptist Church Hall, Sansome Walk, Worcester, on Friday, 8th April 2011 starting at 7.30 pm. Visitors are welcome. Entrance fee: Members - free; non-members £2. More details can be found at www.worcesterbmsgh.co.uk Arthur Lewis

Hello Yesterday I forwarded a message to this address - to be forwarded to the group. However, I just realised that I sent it from an email address that is not registered with you, ie suemay1@grapevine.com.au This is my new address but the previous one (suemay1@actewagl.net.au) is still operational. Sorry to cause confusion - and I hope you are able to distribute my message. I wasn't sure of the process for achieving this - apologies. Many thanks for any assistance you can provide. Regards Sue May ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue To: eng-worcester@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: Topic: Lane family from Birtsmorton/Castlemorton Topic: Lane family from Birtsmorton/Castlemorton This is a request for information about a particular Lane family from Birtsmorton/Castlemorton - and for any leads to descendants that I could be put in touch with. In May/June, I'll be living in Worcester and hope to gather some information about the family and, if at all possible, to meet any relatives still in the area. My grandfather was William Farley Lane, born on 21 August 1886 'By Mill Pond, Birtsmorton'. Birth registered 17 September 1886, Upton-on-Severn (6293G). The details of his immediate family are as follows: - Father - George Henry Lane (b. 1859) - Mother - Louisa (nee Wagstaff) (b. 1857) - Siblings - Annie L. (b. 1890); Alick J. (b. 1893); and Bertha C. (b. 1896) There were several Lane families in the area at the time, and the same first names were used across these families, making it difficult to be definite about relationships. For example, there was a William T. Lane (b. 1887) whose parents were George and Louisa Lane but whose siblings had names different from the above. It appears that the parents of my great-grandfather (George Henry Lane) were James Lane (b. 1809 in Eastnor) and Hannah (b. 1828 in Castlemorton) and George's siblings were Eliza Annie (b.?) and Albert (b. 1869). Eliza Annie married James Williams and their children were Emily Williams (b. 1887); James A Williams (b. 1892); and Lillian E Williams (b. 1898). Albert married Charlotte Sarah (b. 1871 in Holland) and their daughter, Flora Lane, was born in 1891. Unfortunately, I never knew my grandfather (William Farley) because he died in 1929 in Kandos, New South Wales, when my mother was only 6 - and my mother had no knowledge of William's family back in England. Touchingly, my mother (b. 1923 - d. 2008) was christened Margaret Louisa Lane, 'Louisa' being her grandmother's name. If anyone is interested, I can provide some details of my grandfather's life and family in Australia in a separate email. If anyone has a family tree that overlaps mine above, I would appreciate hearing about it - and, of course, if it's possible for me to make contact with any relatives, that would be a real bonus. Many thanks for any assistance you can offer - and I look forward to meeting some of you at one of the Worcester meetings. Regards Sue May Canberra Australia

I am wondering if there is anyone out there who could tell me if there were more than one Baker in this little town in the 1830-1840 period. I am interested in the house that was a bakery almost opposite the entrance to the Church as I think that is where my John Smith with his wife and family conducted his Bakery at that period of time. The lady of the house said that she thought there was another Bakery in the village at that period and I would like to be sure I have the correct building. There is a stone carved 'The Bakery' leaning up against the buildings wall and I have seen where the oven stood until the mid twentieth century. Hope that I can get a positive on this one and also wonder what the name of the road or street this place is on. Cheers. Pat from Australia

Peter Apolgize for the delay in reply to your message but I have been away for a few days. My only reason for posting my original query on Worcester list was to possibly eliminate the possible Droitwich death in 1898. There is no other known Worcester connections in the family. I did not expect any searches in Essex for his previous history. I have made several visits to Essex Record Office searching for information but as yet no success. 1891 census appears to be his only sighting in that county but I have considerable data on his Wiltshire and Kent connections. The Prayer Book entry is tantalising but as I am sure you know from your own research a single piece of inforamation needs verification. Is the date correct ?(even if I could read it with 100% certainty!)? Did the original writer mis-remember the information ? (the book passed to me from my mother and she almost certainly received it from William PARKER's daughter.) Unfortunately the only part of the date that I am 99% certain of is the day but that doesn't help much, the month and year and far less certain. Thank you for your input Derek Ward Grindleford, Hope Valley > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 23:42:19 +1100 > From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [WOR] PARKER death 1898 > To: "Derek Ward" <derekward@madasafish.com>, > <eng-worcester@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006901cbd80e$1a637ae0$0400a8c0@family> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Derek, > > Sorry I didn't pick up on the word "might". But it is precisely because > it is such a long shot that you need to convey all the definite facts that > you have discovered. We certainly shouldn't have to go looking for them > all > again. > > You also need to work on getting facts on names, dates and locations > into your postings. His daughter and a grandson tell us nothing. > > I went looking for a possible death of Sarah in Essex but I don't have > her birthdate to distinguish between the possibilities. And it would be > nice > to know if by 1891 they were living in Chadwell or just visiting a married > grandson. > > The only likely death of William Parker in Essex in 1898 is registered > at Maldon which looks 20 miles from Chadwell. His age is given as 73. > > I'd also try to get family opinions on deciphering the note in the > Prayer Book. Is it the day, month or year that isn't clear? If it's > clearly > 1898, it shouldn't be that hard. > > Print out all the 1898 deaths from FreeBMD and cross off those where > the > age is way out and those where you already have the certificate. There > can't > be many left. > > Peter > > > > >

Re: Worcester Branch BMSGH On Friday, 11th March 2011 we will be holding our: Annual General Meeting followed by a talk on: 'Visiting the Victorian Photographer's Studio' by our Secretary Christine Grant As usual tea/coffee and biscuits will be available. The small charge also buys you a ticket in our raffle. Visitors are welcome to attend the meeting which will be at The Baptist Church Hall, Sansome Walk, Worcester, starting at 7.30 pm. Entrance fee: Members - free; non-members £2 Arthur Lewis

Hello Aileen I've found the following information (just wish I had access to the census returns but my subscription has run out !) Regards Claire **************************** Marriage: March 1873 Aston vol 6d page 360 Charles Frederick Pitt and Caroline Griffin 1881 census RG11 Piece 2948 Folio 95 Page 26 61, Bo, Henry St, Kings Norton Worcestershire Charles F Pitt 25 head born 1856 Birmingham Warwickshire, Labourer Caroline Pitt 24 wife born 1857 Birmingham Warwickshire Rose Pitt 4 daughter born 1877 Birmingham Warwickshire Charles F Pitt 2 son born 1879 Sparkbrook Worcestershire Henry T Pitt 0 son born 1881 Sparkbrook Worcestershire Birth: June 1854 K Norton vol 6c page 39_ Charles Frederick Pitt Charles Frederick Pitt born 23 May 1854 Christened 9 Oct 1854 St Phillips, Birmingham, Warwickshire. Parents George Pitt and Mary Ann. Batch no C041798 Siblings all Christened at St Phillips, Birmingham, Warwickshire. Parents George Pitt and Mary Ann. Batch no C041798 George William Pitt born 9 Feb 1845 Christened 12 May 1845 Samuel John Pitt born 27 Jun 1847 Christened 26 Jul 1847 Harry Edward Pitt born 22 Apr 1849 Christened 4 Jun 1849 Mary Ann Sarah Pitt born 30 May 1851 Christened 30 June 1851 Julia Ellen Pitt born 23 April 1856 Christened 2 June 1856 Marriage: George Pitt & Mary Ann Palmer 29 Dec 1846 St Stephen Birmingham Warwickshire Birth: Caroline Griffin - March 1857 Kings Norton vol 6c page 407 ----- Original Message ----- From: "A durn" <rosableu08@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 10:17 PM Subject: [WOR] my brick wall PITT > Can anyone help me with my brick wall, this is the family > any help gratefully received > Aileen > > Births in the District of KINGS NORTON in the County of Worcester > When and Where Born 11th October 1878 > Frederick Place,Henry Street, > Balsall > Heath, Kings Norton > Name CHARLES FREDERICK PITT > Boy > Name of Father CHARLES FREDERICK PITT > Name of Mother CAROLINE PITT ( FORMERLY GRIFFIN) > Profession of Father Tool Maker, Journeyman > Signature Residence > of Informant X The Mark of Caroline Pitt, Mother > Frederick Place, Henry Street, > Balsal > Heath, Kings Norton. > When Registered 28th November 1878 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3483 - Release Date: 03/05/11 >

Can anyone help me with my brick wall, this is the family any help gratefully received Aileen Births in the District of KINGS NORTON in the County of Worcester When and Where Born 11th October 1878 Frederick Place,Henry Street, Balsall Heath, Kings Norton Name CHARLES FREDERICK PITT Boy Name of Father CHARLES FREDERICK PITT Name of Mother CAROLINE PITT ( FORMERLY GRIFFIN) Profession of Father Tool Maker, Journeyman Signature Residence of Informant X The Mark of Caroline Pitt, Mother Frederick Place, Henry Street, Balsal Heath, Kings Norton. When Registered 28th November 1878

Hi Folks, Our next branch meeting is open to all Tuesday 8th March 2011 at _starting_ 7.45 p.m "Court in the Act" by Harry Scharf Harry worked in the Birmingham Crown Court for many years as Clerk to the Justices. Harry will give an insight into the Crown Court -- the human (not legal) side - people seen in court from the Dock or Jury Bench. - i.e. about barristers, judges etc. We shall learn how Harry's role of Clerk fitted into the Court structure, and he will pass on a few anecdotes (with dubious humour). ----------------- This event will take place at Bromsgrove Methodist Centre, Stratford Road, Bromsgrove. Non-members are welcome. ------------------ Want to know where we meet? Click on the link below and then click on the pair of shoes. http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/cms/index.php?view=venueevents&id=1%3Abromsgrove-methodist-centre&option=com_eventlist&Itemid=8 Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman Bromsgrove BMSGH The Family History Site for Worcestershire, now with a Forum board for your queries. http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/

Hi Folks, My HANDS (HANNES, HANS, HANNE, HANNON etc) came from Yardley and close by. In the 16th century Roger HANS (HANDS) was the first of many baptisms in Kings Norton. There has been no direct link found in the parish registers, however, I'm now looking for associations with god parents, wills, etc. The family in Yardley were high status yeomen, so it is likely that marriages and god parents would be of similar social standing. A number of surnames occur over time in both localities. SWIFT, SWYFT KETTELL, KETTEL, KETTLE, KETTYLL SPAWRYE, SPARRIE And probably others. Would anyone any information, at all, that links both localities prior to the 16th century, please contact me? Kind regards -- Mike Yegwart ******************************** HANDS research site: http://yourhands.awardspace.com/

Derek I found a death record for a William Parker b c 1827 in Orsett. Oct-Dec 1899, age 72. Ref 4a p309. Chadwell St Mary deaths would be recorded at Orsett. Could this be the right one? Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Ward" <derekward@madasafish.com> To: <eng-worcester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: [WOR] PARKER death 1898 > Peter > > Thank you nfor taking the time to reply. Because my query is such a long > shot I did not bother to provide all the details I have for fear of boring > people. > > William and a wife Sarah (that is another mystery in itself !) are to be > found in 1891 census in Chadwell, Essex with a grandson. Previously he had > been in Canterbury (1871) and Dartford (1881). His daughter can be found > in > Sheerness Kent from her marriage in 1874 to her death in 1942. Neither > Willliam or Sarah have been found on 1901 census. The grandson is back > with > his father in Sheerness Kent. I have not been able to locate a death > certificate for Sarah. > > You will note that my original message said that in the Prayer Boob was a > note "... which might read " Died 16.3.98" > The operable word is might as it is not 100% clear. Hence I have several > Essex/Kent potential death certificates in the 1890s. > > Derek >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:47:19 +1100 >> From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> >> Subject: Re: [WOR] PARKER death 1898 >> To: <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <000e01cbd73d$40e6b730$0400a8c0@family> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Derek, >> >> It seems his age should be around 71. If correct ages are given in >> death >> records, the only two are in March Qtr 1898. Being so close to the end of >> the quarter it's possible it carried over into the June Qtr, but none of >> the >> ages for that quarter match. >> >> Unfortunately, while you've tracked him through three counties, you >> don't give his last known abode eg 1891 census or where his wife was >> living >> in 1901 (if she survived him) or where she died if she didn't. >> >> You also don't say which wrong certificates you have. >> >> Free BDM has about 40 possibilities. Surely crossing out the young, >> the >> old and the unlikely locations will narrow it down to a very short list. >> I >> can't see how you can even get to "several" wrong ones. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:42:59 EST >> From: JCWEATHERBY@aol.com >> Subject: [WOR] Apprentice and Building records >> To: eng-worcester@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <100e47.571d4449.3a9d70e3@aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> Dear All -- in the 1871 census, my great grandfather, Alfred HEMMING, of >> Worcester, was listed as a "builder, employing 12 men and 2 apprentices." >> His father, John HEMMING, had also been a Worcester builder. Does anyone >> know (1) if Alfred would have been apprenticed to his father (or anyone >> else) >> before striking out on his own? (2) if apprenticeship records still >> survive, and if so, where/how do I access them from my home in the >> western >> USA; >> and (3) if there would be any record at all of what buildings either of >> them >> had built, including, if possible, photographs -- any and all >> suggestions >> welcome. Thanks in advance >> Candace Weatherby, nee Hemming >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the ENG-WORCESTER list administrator, send an email to >> ENG-WORCESTER-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the ENG-WORCESTER mailing list, send an email to >> ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of ENG-WORCESTER Digest, Vol 6, Issue 25 >> ******************************************** >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3475 - Release Date: 03/01/11 07:34:00

Derek, Sorry I didn't pick up on the word "might". But it is precisely because it is such a long shot that you need to convey all the definite facts that you have discovered. We certainly shouldn't have to go looking for them all again. You also need to work on getting facts on names, dates and locations into your postings. His daughter and a grandson tell us nothing. I went looking for a possible death of Sarah in Essex but I don't have her birthdate to distinguish between the possibilities. And it would be nice to know if by 1891 they were living in Chadwell or just visiting a married grandson. The only likely death of William Parker in Essex in 1898 is registered at Maldon which looks 20 miles from Chadwell. His age is given as 73. I'd also try to get family opinions on deciphering the note in the Prayer Book. Is it the day, month or year that isn't clear? If it's clearly 1898, it shouldn't be that hard. Print out all the 1898 deaths from FreeBMD and cross off those where the age is way out and those where you already have the certificate. There can't be many left. Peter

Which Chadwell was he living in, Derek, as there are at least two contenders? Is it Chadwell Heath near Romford, or Chadwell St Mary in Thurrock? Or is there an area close to Maldon called Chadwell, which might match the death record? If there is, my other half, who has lived in Essex all his life, had never heard of it, but it could be an old name for a particular area around there. Did you know that some of the parush records for the Medway parishes are available via Cityark. These are scans of the original registers, and not easy to search. Dartford registers are available, but not Sheerness or Canterbury. May be worth a look. A lot of folk from Kent moved over to the Thurrock area in the late 1800s, including my husband's family, What did your William do for a living? Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Ward" <derekward@madasafish.com> To: <eng-worcester@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: [WOR] PARKER death 1898 > Peter > > Thank you nfor taking the time to reply. Because my query is such a long > shot I did not bother to provide all the details I have for fear of boring > people. > > William and a wife Sarah (that is another mystery in itself !) are to be > found in 1891 census in Chadwell, Essex with a grandson. Previously he had > been in Canterbury (1871) and Dartford (1881). His daughter can be found > in > Sheerness Kent from her marriage in 1874 to her death in 1942. Neither > Willliam or Sarah have been found on 1901 census. The grandson is back > with > his father in Sheerness Kent. I have not been able to locate a death > certificate for Sarah. > > You will note that my original message said that in the Prayer Boob was a > note "... which might read " Died 16.3.98" > The operable word is might as it is not 100% clear. Hence I have several > Essex/Kent potential death certificates in the 1890s. > > Derek >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:47:19 +1100 >> From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> >> Subject: Re: [WOR] PARKER death 1898 >> To: <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <000e01cbd73d$40e6b730$0400a8c0@family> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Derek, >> >> It seems his age should be around 71. If correct ages are given in >> death >> records, the only two are in March Qtr 1898. Being so close to the end of >> the quarter it's possible it carried over into the June Qtr, but none of >> the >> ages for that quarter match. >> >> Unfortunately, while you've tracked him through three counties, you >> don't give his last known abode eg 1891 census or where his wife was >> living >> in 1901 (if she survived him) or where she died if she didn't. >> >> You also don't say which wrong certificates you have. >> >> Free BDM has about 40 possibilities. Surely crossing out the young, >> the >> old and the unlikely locations will narrow it down to a very short list. >> I >> can't see how you can even get to "several" wrong ones. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:42:59 EST >> From: JCWEATHERBY@aol.com >> Subject: [WOR] Apprentice and Building records >> To: eng-worcester@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <100e47.571d4449.3a9d70e3@aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> Dear All -- in the 1871 census, my great grandfather, Alfred HEMMING, of >> Worcester, was listed as a "builder, employing 12 men and 2 apprentices." >> His father, John HEMMING, had also been a Worcester builder. Does anyone >> know (1) if Alfred would have been apprenticed to his father (or anyone >> else) >> before striking out on his own? (2) if apprenticeship records still >> survive, and if so, where/how do I access them from my home in the >> western >> USA; >> and (3) if there would be any record at all of what buildings either of >> them >> had built, including, if possible, photographs -- any and all >> suggestions >> welcome. 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Peter Thank you nfor taking the time to reply. Because my query is such a long shot I did not bother to provide all the details I have for fear of boring people. William and a wife Sarah (that is another mystery in itself !) are to be found in 1891 census in Chadwell, Essex with a grandson. Previously he had been in Canterbury (1871) and Dartford (1881). His daughter can be found in Sheerness Kent from her marriage in 1874 to her death in 1942. Neither Willliam or Sarah have been found on 1901 census. The grandson is back with his father in Sheerness Kent. I have not been able to locate a death certificate for Sarah. You will note that my original message said that in the Prayer Boob was a note "... which might read " Died 16.3.98" The operable word is might as it is not 100% clear. Hence I have several Essex/Kent potential death certificates in the 1890s. Derek > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:47:19 +1100 > From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [WOR] PARKER death 1898 > To: <ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000e01cbd73d$40e6b730$0400a8c0@family> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Derek, > > It seems his age should be around 71. If correct ages are given in > death > records, the only two are in March Qtr 1898. Being so close to the end of > the quarter it's possible it carried over into the June Qtr, but none of > the > ages for that quarter match. > > Unfortunately, while you've tracked him through three counties, you > don't give his last known abode eg 1891 census or where his wife was > living > in 1901 (if she survived him) or where she died if she didn't. > > You also don't say which wrong certificates you have. > > Free BDM has about 40 possibilities. Surely crossing out the young, the > old and the unlikely locations will narrow it down to a very short list. I > can't see how you can even get to "several" wrong ones. > > Peter > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:42:59 EST > From: JCWEATHERBY@aol.com > Subject: [WOR] Apprentice and Building records > To: eng-worcester@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <100e47.571d4449.3a9d70e3@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Dear All -- in the 1871 census, my great grandfather, Alfred HEMMING, of > Worcester, was listed as a "builder, employing 12 men and 2 apprentices." > His father, John HEMMING, had also been a Worcester builder. Does anyone > know (1) if Alfred would have been apprenticed to his father (or anyone > else) > before striking out on his own? (2) if apprenticeship records still > survive, and if so, where/how do I access them from my home in the western > USA; > and (3) if there would be any record at all of what buildings either of > them > had built, including, if possible, photographs -- any and all > suggestions > welcome. Thanks in advance > Candace Weatherby, nee Hemming > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-WORCESTER list administrator, send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-WORCESTER mailing list, send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WORCESTER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-WORCESTER Digest, Vol 6, Issue 25 > ******************************************** >

Derek, It seems his age should be around 71. If correct ages are given in death records, the only two are in March Qtr 1898. Being so close to the end of the quarter it's possible it carried over into the June Qtr, but none of the ages for that quarter match. Unfortunately, while you've tracked him through three counties, you don't give his last known abode eg 1891 census or where his wife was living in 1901 (if she survived him) or where she died if she didn't. You also don't say which wrong certificates you have. Free BDM has about 40 possibilities. Surely crossing out the young, the old and the unlikely locations will narrow it down to a very short list. I can't see how you can even get to "several" wrong ones. Peter

Jo, This looks like them in 1911. But you'll have to pay to check and get full details. I originally search for Gladys Owen with a Louisa as another household member. That gave me the possible family in Stourbridge. I then searched for any Owen in Stourbridge with Gladys as a household member. So you have to add Gladys to the names below. So you have Wilham(William) b1866, Louisa E b1871, William b1892, Katie b1893, Gladys b1897 and Lucy (Louisa) b1901 which all match exactly with Joe's find in 1901. And remember, after 1910 you can include mothers maiden name Brock in searches for births of other children. Another listed suggested a number of children died, so it might be worth checking for that. Peter

Many thanks for the wonderful responses to my query. Nine replies before I received my copy of the list message. I shall reply to all ASAP. That is before I continue the hunt! Jo Lloyd South Australia

Jo, Have you posted similar messages in recent months? You make no mention of her marriage or where she might be in 1871 and 1881. Do you have any details? Have you found them in 1911? When and where was your grandmother born. Her mother had to be there too. If it was before 1911, they should be on the census and as you were born in Kidderminster, I don't think they migrated. These are all relevant facts that will narrow down the search. But if you don't tell me, I'm lost. Peter in Sydney.

Having, after 20 years of research, given up on finding any evidence of my GT. Grandmother after 1891-Guess what? Yes the hunt continues! I am awaiting a Marriage License for 1899 and think I have her in the 1901 Census but do not have means to check further. I would be thrilled if SKS would help. According to Find My Past on Family Search1901 Census for Kingswinford :- Louisa OWEN , Age 30, born in Wordsley, is living with a husband ,William Age 35 born Kidderminster and I believe, one child William Aged 9 in Kingswinford, Staffs.. I suspect there could be more so would be grateful for the complete household. If you should find another OWEN household in the same district with husband William about 35yrs. wife could be Alice, Louisa or even Letitia (trust me she was not particular, though she was born in Wordsley in 1865 (not1871)and baptised as Alice Louisa BROCK) then could I please have those details too. Happy Hunting to all long time friends on the Worcs. List . Jo Lloyd Ex-Kidderminster now in South Australia

Dear All -- in the 1871 census, my great grandfather, Alfred HEMMING, of Worcester, was listed as a "builder, employing 12 men and 2 apprentices." His father, John HEMMING, had also been a Worcester builder. Does anyone know (1) if Alfred would have been apprenticed to his father (or anyone else) before striking out on his own? (2) if apprenticeship records still survive, and if so, where/how do I access them from my home in the western USA; and (3) if there would be any record at all of what buildings either of them had built, including, if possible, photographs -- any and all suggestions welcome. Thanks in advance Candace Weatherby, nee Hemming