Hello everyone, I'm wondering if anyone can help re' the following. Almost all of my ancestors lived at Ebrington in the Cotswolds, the exception being Richard Jarvis who was baptised there in 1765 and buried there in 1850 but who is shown as having died at Shipston on Stour. Gloucestershire censuses 1851 to 1891 show no family which could have been his. I'm seeking information from the 1841 census for Worcestershire or church records giving details of Richard in the Shipston or adjacent areas. Any help/guidance would be much appreciated. Regards to all, Colin Jarvis.

Paul Sorry I was thinking of Oldbury not Cradley - Cradley is part of the WOR Census, comes under Stourbridge District! Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Paul Taylor [mailto:northshields1947-worcestershire@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2005 6:05 a.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] 1851 Census - Simmons Does anyone have access to the index to the 1851 census for Worcestershire, which I believe is available on CD, as I am trying without much success to find out a bit about my gg grandfather, Charles Simmons. All I can say is that by the time of the 1851 census he was married to Sarah who would have been aged about 17 or 18 and was, I believe, born in Cradley. It is likely that they would have been living in the Malvern area. For what it is worth, by the time of the 1861 census, Charles had died but Sarah was living on Upper Howsell Road, Malvern. I would just say that as Charles could not read or write the name Simmons might have been spelt in whatever way the census clerk thought appropriate. Regards Paul Taylor ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== FreeREG Project: parish register database http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

Paul Do you know where/when Charles and Sarah married ?? If it was Cradle and they stayed in the area, they could be on the Staffordshire 1851 Census . For some unknown reason the Census Districts do not match county boundaries. Do you know Sarah's maiden name ? I have checked the WOR 1851 for all variations, without success. All the best Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Paul Taylor [mailto:northshields1947-worcestershire@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2005 6:05 a.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] 1851 Census - Simmons Does anyone have access to the index to the 1851 census for Worcestershire, which I believe is available on CD, as I am trying without much success to find out a bit about my gg grandfather, Charles Simmons. All I can say is that by the time of the 1851 census he was married to Sarah who would have been aged about 17 or 18 and was, I believe, born in Cradley. It is likely that they would have been living in the Malvern area. For what it is worth, by the time of the 1861 census, Charles had died but Sarah was living on Upper Howsell Road, Malvern. I would just say that as Charles could not read or write the name Simmons might have been spelt in whatever way the census clerk thought appropriate. Regards Paul Taylor ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== FreeREG Project: parish register database http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

Does anyone have access to the index to the 1851 census for Worcestershire, which I believe is available on CD, as I am trying without much success to find out a bit about my gg grandfather, Charles Simmons. All I can say is that by the time of the 1851 census he was married to Sarah who would have been aged about 17 or 18 and was, I believe, born in Cradley. It is likely that they would have been living in the Malvern area. For what it is worth, by the time of the 1861 census, Charles had died but Sarah was living on Upper Howsell Road, Malvern. I would just say that as Charles could not read or write the name Simmons might have been spelt in whatever way the census clerk thought appropriate. Regards Paul Taylor

Hello everyone, Can anyone help with the following? I believe that Shipston originally came under Worcestershire before being transferred to Warwickshire. Could someone tell me up to what year the town came under Worcestershire. Thanks and regards to all. Colin Jarvis

Hello Colin, Shipston on Stour - both Town and Civil Parish was transferred from the Administrative County of Worcester to that of Warwick on 1 April 1931. Which Answers The Question As Set - but doesn't seem to answer WHY it was raised in the first place. If looking for it in all the Censuses (other than 1841**) it - and the whole of the rest of the Registration District of the same name, which included Parishes in Gloucestershire, Warwickshire and Worcestershire - was classed as being Warwickshire. **Not too sure about the LDS Transcription of the 1881 though. *That* seems to use a geography all of its own. As for looking on IGI/FamilySearch, my guess is that it's likely to be included under both Counties, but I've never attempted to look or check! Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: colin jarvis <colcon2@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:54 PM Subject: [WOR] Shipston on Stour > Hello everyone, > Can anyone help with the following? > > I believe that Shipston originally came under Worcestershire before being transferred to Warwickshire. > Could someone tell me up to what year the town came under Worcestershire. > Thanks and regards to all. > > Colin Jarvis > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Barbara, your Fletcher Square is probably just a local name not an official one. Lots of Alley Ways, Squares and Yards were given local names, usually names of the local family who lived there, such as the name of Fletcher, that is why you cannot find it in 1861. The area would have been called something else. Best Wishes from Linda.

I have been searching the 1861 Dudley census for my ARNOLD/HARNOLD/HARNEL/HARNALL family, but with no success. Family was as follows: Parents William & Elizabeth HARNOLD (married in 1840 in Sedgley, but living at Dudley Wood), known kids William b. 1845, John b. 1846 & Andrew b. 1852.( All born Netherton, Dudley) In 1871 the sons are living at Fletcher's Square, Netherton, Dudley (St. Andrew's parish) & I thought they might be at the same address in 1861. However, I can find neither the family nor the Fletcher Square address on the 1861 census. Can anyone please HELP? Any suggestions would be gratefully received. Regards, Barbara Arnold

Hi All Thanks to Dave Newbury who pointed out my boo boo with the dates for the ROWBERRY Family Gathering, which *should* have read: This event is to be held over the weekend of Friday 29th April - Sunday 1st May 2005 at The Hundred House Hotel, Great Witley, Worcestershire.......... See www.rowberry.org/2005.html Hope to see some of you there! Kind regards Polly Polly Rubery List admin: MIDMARCH-L@rootsweb.com A genealogy and local history list covering the Counties of Brecon, Hereford, Monmouth, Shropshire, Stafford and Worcester. ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com ROWBERRY-L@rootsweb.com ROWBERRY/RUBERY ONS - GOONS #278 rowberry@one-name.org http://www.rowberry.org Webmaster for the Herefordshire Family History Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs/index.html

Just to let you know that Anthony Adolph, genealogist to Fern and Phil on ITV's 'This morning' programme and the official genealogist of www.genesreunited.co.uk and will be interviewed by Keith Middleton on the Late Show on BBC WM, Coventry and Warwickshire on Tuesday 5th April between 10-11pm! Not only will he be talking about how to get started on the basics of family trees and talking about some of the celebrity ones he has completed. He is willing to take calls from those wanting to get started or those facing brick walls! If you need advice call/text in and they will do their best to put you through to him or ask him about your problems... The frequencies for anyone who is interested are 95.6FM for Birmingham, Wolverhampton and the Black Country and 94.8FM, 104FM, 103.7FM for Coventry and Warwickshire... It can also be heard live online at http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/radiowm/ by clicking the 'LISTEN LIVE' button on the right hand side of the page... If anyone wants to check they have their listening frequencies sorted beforehand, I can recommend tuning in at between 10-11pm on Monday 4th April when a fantastic author GERVASE PHINN aka 'The James Herriott of Schools' will be interviewed. He is an ex-school inspector from Yorkshire, who tells a great story... He will be followed by psychic author, MARILYNN LYNNE BERRY, who started to track down an answer to a mystery for her Edwardian ancestors after she was contacted in a series of dreams and describes her real experiences in 'The Visitor'! They are not to be missed! Happy listening... Sue PS: I am not connected to Anthony Adolph, Genes Reunited, ITV, (Gervase Phinn, Marilynn Lynne Berry) etc - just thought he would be of interest to the list - and may be able to help some of the members during his phone in! Phone in - Phone calls 0845 300 9956 Phone in - Text Messages 0778 620 2956

Hello Bill, Almost certainly, they would have been buried in Kidderminster Cemetery. I will see what I can find for you. Do you have the exact date(s) of death? Colin Lloyd Kidderminster Researching LLOYD Bromyard,Tedstone Delamere, Sapey Ombersley, Kidderminster, Dudley, Halesowen JONES Bromyard, Tedstone Delamere, Sapey COLEMAN Dorset, Kidderminster, Birmingham REACORD Birmingham NEW Kidderminster, Wolverley, Shropshire MARTIN Worfield BARBER Stourport, Kidderminster,Clent STRETTON Bermondsey, Shoreditch,Broseley,Much Wenlock,Kidderminster,Stourbridge. ----- Original Message ----- From: " Bill Treharne" <jean.treharne@wanadoo.fr> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 6:24 PM Subject: Kidderminster Briscoe > I am looking for the final resting place of Henry Briscoe who died in Kidderminster in 1902 aged 76. Wife Sarah (Perkins) died there in 1890 aged 60. Are there any recorded M.I`s for the area (or possible newspaper help in obituaries?) Any clues appreciated. > Bill > France. >

I am looking for the final resting place of Henry Briscoe who died in Kidderminster in 1902 aged 76. Wife Sarah (Perkins) died there in 1890 aged 60. Are there any recorded M.I`s for the area (or possible newspaper help in obituaries?) Any clues appreciated. Bill France.

David I posted that information to the Worcestershire List - George POPJOY appeared in a census entry as Servant in the ELLIS Household - he did not appear with the household in 1861, Possibly this is the same George POPJOY in the 1871 Census - Edwin Grinsted 31 Saney Newington, Kent, England Boarder Cheshunt Hertfordshire Ellen Popjoy 6 London, Middlesex, England Daughter Cheshunt Hertfordshire Ellen S Popjoy 9 months Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England Daughter Cheshunt Hertfordshire George Popjoy 41 Broughton, Wiltshire, England Head Cheshunt Hertfordshire Mary Popjoy 14 Bristol, Somerset, England Daughter Cheshunt Hertfordshire Sophia Popjoy 34 Reading, Berkshire, England Wife Cheshunt Hertfordshire William Popjoy 3 Banstead, Surrey, England Son Cheshunt Hertfordshire If you would like the full transcription, I would be happy to send it. Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: David Smart [mailto:david.smart@one-name.org] Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2005 10:28 p.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] POPJOY in Upton on Severn The quote below was forwarded to the POBJOY name list. I should be very grateful for any further details on George POPJOY. TIA David Smart London, England Pobjoy website at www.pobjoy.org.uk Frome website at www.fromeresearch.org.uk > >Source: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: RE: [WOR] 1851 or 1861 Census look-up > > > > > >Valerie > > > > From 1851 Census - would appear that Fanny ( 1871 Census ) > was John's > >second wife. > >I located the following entry > >HO107/ 2043 Folio 368 > >District Upton on Severn Township Longdon Sched. 003: Eatington > > > >ELLIS John Head M 38 Farmer ( 400 acres emp. 14 men ) > > Born Newent/GLS > > Mary Ann Wife M 35 Born Much Marcle/HEF > > Thomas Smith Son U 11 Scholar at Home Born Forthampton/GLS > > William " " 9 " " " " > > Felix Draper " " 8 " " " " > > Henry Arthur " " 4 " " Born Longdon/WOR > >DUNN Anne Gvnes " 19 Governess Born Poole/Dorset > >DASH Hannah Serv M 39 Dairywoman Born Berkley/GLS > > Charles " M 34 Herdsman " Tertworth?/GLS > > William " U 12 Servant " Thornbury/GLS > > George " " 7 " " Holey?/GLS > >ALDER Charlotte " " 19 House Servant " Harecombe/GLS > >WITTS Mary " " 21 " " " Ashchurch/GLS > >POPJOY George " " 21 " " " > Brampton/Wiltshire > > > >1861 Census > > > >RG9/2098 Folio 94 Page 1 > >District Upton on Severn Township Longdon Village Longdon Hillard > >Sched 1. Eatington Farm ELLIS John Head M 48 Farmer 400 > acres emp 8 > >men Born Newent/GLS > > Fanny Wife M 53 Born > Quedgley/GLS > > William Son U 19 Born > Forthampton/GLS > > Felix " " 18 " " > > Oswald " " 9 Born Longon/WOR > >BROWN Mary Jane Ser U 24 Dairy Maid Born > Doulton?/SOM > >CRUMP Emma " " 22 Servant Born Upton/WOR > >DREW Eliza " " 18 " Born > Uckington/GLS > >JACKSON Timothy " " 18 Groom Born > Redmarley/WOR > > > >Henry is not listed - may have away at school ! > > > >hth > >Helen > >New Zealand > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Valerie Saari [mailto:havsaari@iaw.on.ca] > >Sent: Saturday, 8 January 2005 2:04 p.m. > >To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [WOR] 1851 or 1861 Census look-up > > > >In 1871 John ELLIS [1813 Newent], his wife Fanny [1808 > Quedgeley], and > >their son Henry [1846 Longdon] are on the farm at Longdon, > St. Mary. > >Could SKS please find this family in 1851 or 1861. > >Thanks > >Valerie Saari ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

Hi Bill Many of the ROWBERRY family in Worcester worked for the railway, and I would be happy to help in any way that I can. What sort of information do you require? And having mentioned the name ROWBERRY perhaps I can remind you all about the ROWBERRY Family Gathering taking place over the weekend of 29th March to 1st April at the Hundred House Hotel, Great Witley. Everyone is welcome on the Saturday (you don't have to be a ROWBERRY or a RUBERY!) and the event itself on that day is FREE. Full details of the full programme for the weekend on my website at: www.rowberry.org/2005.html or email me. Kind regards Polly Polly Rubery List admin: MIDMARCH-L@rootsweb.com A genealogy and local history list covering the Counties of Brecon, Hereford, Monmouth, Shropshire, Stafford and Worcester. ENG-HEREFORD@rootsweb.com ROWBERRY-L@rootsweb.com ROWBERRY/RUBERY ONS - GOONS #278 rowberry@one-name.org http://www.rowberry.org Webmaster for the Herefordshire Family History Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~ukhfhs/index.html

Do you have or do you know someone else who has/had railway employees in their family and who worked in Worcestershire? I am making a record of all such and am appealing for your list's help. Thanks in anticipation, Bill.

for online ordering.I use it a lot. http://www.col.statistics.gov.uk/ joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Andrews" <clancykla@msn.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: [WOR] Register office > Hello all, > > I would like to write to the Dudley Register office to obtain a birth record. According to their web site they do not take credit cards. Will they take a US check? And how much does it cost? I couldn't find this info on their site. > > Thanks very much, > Kay Andrews > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

I am new to this list, and am researching Joseph HOWELL. Joseph was transported to Tasmania in 1852. For stealing a Sheep from a Mr Hogg at Thurley, and was tried at Worcester on the 31 December 1849. He arrived in Tasmania on the 9/12/1852 , and was given a 7 yr sentence. He was from Elderfield in Gloucestershire. He was a farm labourer, aged 25, could read and write. He had a brothers William & John, and sisters Emma and Eliza. I was wondering if SKS could find Joseph in the 1851 census, or anything on his siblings for me. who his parents were. Or maybe something on who Mr Hogg was. Thanking you Kitty Cambridge Tasmania --

The quote below was forwarded to the POBJOY name list. I should be very grateful for any further details on George POPJOY. TIA David Smart London, England Pobjoy website at www.pobjoy.org.uk Frome website at www.fromeresearch.org.uk > >Source: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: RE: [WOR] 1851 or 1861 Census look-up > > > > > >Valerie > > > > From 1851 Census - would appear that Fanny ( 1871 Census ) > was John's > >second wife. > >I located the following entry > >HO107/ 2043 Folio 368 > >District Upton on Severn Township Longdon Sched. 003: Eatington > > > >ELLIS John Head M 38 Farmer ( 400 acres emp. 14 men ) > > Born Newent/GLS > > Mary Ann Wife M 35 Born Much Marcle/HEF > > Thomas Smith Son U 11 Scholar at Home Born Forthampton/GLS > > William " " 9 " " " " > > Felix Draper " " 8 " " " " > > Henry Arthur " " 4 " " Born Longdon/WOR > >DUNN Anne Gvnes " 19 Governess Born Poole/Dorset > >DASH Hannah Serv M 39 Dairywoman Born Berkley/GLS > > Charles " M 34 Herdsman " Tertworth?/GLS > > William " U 12 Servant " Thornbury/GLS > > George " " 7 " " Holey?/GLS > >ALDER Charlotte " " 19 House Servant " Harecombe/GLS > >WITTS Mary " " 21 " " " Ashchurch/GLS > >POPJOY George " " 21 " " " > Brampton/Wiltshire > > > >1861 Census > > > >RG9/2098 Folio 94 Page 1 > >District Upton on Severn Township Longdon Village Longdon Hillard > >Sched 1. Eatington Farm ELLIS John Head M 48 Farmer 400 > acres emp 8 > >men Born Newent/GLS > > Fanny Wife M 53 Born > Quedgley/GLS > > William Son U 19 Born > Forthampton/GLS > > Felix " " 18 " " > > Oswald " " 9 Born Longon/WOR > >BROWN Mary Jane Ser U 24 Dairy Maid Born > Doulton?/SOM > >CRUMP Emma " " 22 Servant Born Upton/WOR > >DREW Eliza " " 18 " Born > Uckington/GLS > >JACKSON Timothy " " 18 Groom Born > Redmarley/WOR > > > >Henry is not listed - may have away at school ! > > > >hth > >Helen > >New Zealand > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Valerie Saari [mailto:havsaari@iaw.on.ca] > >Sent: Saturday, 8 January 2005 2:04 p.m. > >To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [WOR] 1851 or 1861 Census look-up > > > >In 1871 John ELLIS [1813 Newent], his wife Fanny [1808 > Quedgeley], and > >their son Henry [1846 Longdon] are on the farm at Longdon, > St. Mary. > >Could SKS please find this family in 1851 or 1861. > >Thanks > >Valerie Saari

Hello all, I would like to write to the Dudley Register office to obtain a birth record. According to their web site they do not take credit cards. Will they take a US check? And how much does it cost? I couldn't find this info on their site. Thanks very much, Kay Andrews

My thanks to Jacquie and Bob for their replies to my enquiry. The ideas and information they have provided has been most helpful. Regards, Roger > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Jones [mailto:randhjones@hetnet.nl] > Sent: 25 March 2005 08:37 > > My apologies if I did not make my request clear. Wyffyydd was in > Flintshire and where Thomas was living in 1851. From the census > return he was born in Worcestershire (nothing more I am afraid) and I > am hoping someone who is researching BARKLEY might have information > about this family in Worcestershire in the 18th C. > > Regards, > > Roger > Holland