Hi List Can anyone please help me trace my cousin's family? They are Tim and Yvonne Palmer and they were living at Hunt End, Redditch, when last I was in contact. Since then they have moved and correspondence is coming back and telephone messages to their old number are not passed on. Gordon Mead

Gwen Wrote: Hi I am looking for ancestors of Elinor (Nelly) KENDRICK, born 1870, Link Top, Malvern, Worcester who was married to a William SLADE born about 1866. Her parents were Richard KENDRICK and Julia Ann LAWRENCE. I don't know William's parents. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Gwen Gray Utah Hi Gwen,I had a look for you on the 1871,1881 and 1891 census,Julia Kendrick's maiden name was actually Croft,she was the daughter of Ambrose and Esther Croft,she was born in Berrow,on the 1871 census it shows Richard and Julia with their children : George born 1863,Arthur born 1864,Richard born 1864,Alice born 1868,Elizabeth born 1869, on the 1881 census Julia is in the workhouse with Eleanor born 1873 and William born 1875,Richard is nowhere to be found and their daughter Elizabeth was living with their grandparents Ambrose and Esther Croft in Berrow, in the 1891 census Julia was living with her mother Esther Croft,if you would like copies of the census returns let me know also if you let me have what information you have on William Slade I will have another look,there was A William Slade living in Berrow who was a farmer possibly Williams father,by the way Richard was born in Birtsmorton and was a bricklayer as was the rest of the male Kendrick's from Birtsmorton,the female Kendricks were mainly glove makers, I hope this helps Bill Ware.

Hi Helen, Very many thanks for getting back to me so quickly with the information. William's stated birthplace of Stoulton does fit with the birthplace given in 1871. I've had a look for a christening for him in Stoulton in the IGI but drew a blank. Kezia was christened in Berkeley, Glos and so Woodford (as given in 1851) was not too far out. She did state Berkeley as her birthplace in the 1871 and 1881 censuses. Once again, many thanks for your help. Kind regards Joan

Joan RG9/ 2100 Folio 40 Page 7 ED. 4 District Evesham Township Great & Little Hampton Sched. 40: The Village TAYLOR William Head 60 M Ag.Lab Born Stoulton?/WOR Keziah Wife 49 M " Mitford/GLS NB 1851 Census gives William as being born Cropthorne/WOR and Kezia Woodford/GLS hth Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Joan Wood [mailto:joan.wood@paradise.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2005 8:56 p.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] TAYLOR, Kezia in Great Hampton 1861 census Hello Listers, I'd really appreciate it if sks who has access to the 1861 census for Great & Little Hampton could please look for Kezia TAYLOR (aged about 49) and her husband, William (60). They may have a daughter, Fanny, still living at home. I am particularly interested in William's stated birthplace. Kind regards Joan Rotorua, New Zealand ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== For Worcestershire information see http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WOR/ UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

Hello Listers, I'd really appreciate it if sks who has access to the 1861 census for Great & Little Hampton could please look for Kezia TAYLOR (aged about 49) and her husband, William (60). They may have a daughter, Fanny, still living at home. I am particularly interested in William's stated birthplace. Kind regards Joan Rotorua, New Zealand

Jacquie Thanks Paul SYMONS are not in Malvern , neither are her parents HADLEY, so sounds as if Cradley, Herefordshire , may be the place to look! Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Jacquie Hartwright [mailto:jachartwright@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2005 2:53 a.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [WOR] 1851 Census - Simmons Hi Helen and Paul A Charles Symonds married Sarah Hadley (her father Richard Hadley - labourer) at St James, West Malvern on 11th February 1850 and where they lived was in the "Cradley portion of district". If this is the right Charles and Sarah Symonds/Simmons, then their daughter Helen Louisa Symonds baptised August 4th 1850 may help you pinpoint them on the 1851 census either in Worcestershire or Herefordshire. Regards Jacquie ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== FreeREG Project: parish register database http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

Hello Paul, What you don't say is whether or not you've looked for them in the Herefordshire 1851! For your reasoning that they 'must' have been living in Worcestershire seems flawed at best. West Malvern Ecclesiastical Parish, where they married in 1850, was only created in 1844, and it's early name was 'Mathon St George'. Although administratively in Worcestershire, it was in Ledbury Registrtion District, and so treated for Census Purposes as being in Herefordshire. Leigh Civil Parish included what are now Malvern Link and North Malvern. Cradley ('always' in Herefordshire) adjoined both Leigh and Mathon. Births had to be registered in the District in which they occurred - and *NOT* where the mother (usually) resided. Four Registration Districts, in two Counties met within ¼ mile of West Malvern church. They could have been living in Worcestershire - but recorded as being in Herefordshire in the Census... Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Taylor <northshields1947-worcestershire@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: [WOR] 1851 Census - Simmons > Thank you all who replied to my earlier posting. Some asked a few extra > questions - hence the composite response. > > Certainly the Charles Simmons (or Symonds) is the one who married Sarah > Hadley in West Malvern in February 1850. Interestingly the marriage > certificate describes both as being of full age even though Sarah was > clearly only about 17 - but she was pregnant. Their first child, Helen, was > baptised in West Malvern just six months later. According to the 1861 census > Helen was born in Leigh, Worcestershire which is just outside Malvern. I > think therefore that in 1851 they must have been living in Worcestershire > and were probably just missed off the census. I have come across that quite > often, especially with ancestors who could not read or write. I had always > assumed (just guesswork) that that was because they could not fill any forms > in and the census officials would soon get fed up with calling on them if > they were always not at home for whatever reason. > > Thanks again to all who tried to help but it looks as though I am not going > to get any further forward in finding much out about Charles. > > Regards, > > Paul Taylor > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Reposting: Could someone with an 1891 index please look for Alice Price age 12, born in Worcester probably still in the Worcester area. Her mother's name is Kate age 47 if still around, but I don't know if she would still be a Price by then. I have the 1891 disc but no index! Any help greatly appreciated, TIA Vivien

Thank you all who replied to my earlier posting. Some asked a few extra questions - hence the composite response. Certainly the Charles Simmons (or Symonds) is the one who married Sarah Hadley in West Malvern in February 1850. Interestingly the marriage certificate describes both as being of full age even though Sarah was clearly only about 17 - but she was pregnant. Their first child, Helen, was baptised in West Malvern just six months later. According to the 1861 census Helen was born in Leigh, Worcestershire which is just outside Malvern. I think therefore that in 1851 they must have been living in Worcestershire and were probably just missed off the census. I have come across that quite often, especially with ancestors who could not read or write. I had always assumed (just guesswork) that that was because they could not fill any forms in and the census officials would soon get fed up with calling on them if they were always not at home for whatever reason. Thanks again to all who tried to help but it looks as though I am not going to get any further forward in finding much out about Charles. Regards, Paul Taylor

Hi, I am looking for ancestors of Elinor (Nelly) KENDRICK, born 1870, Link Top, Malvern, Worcester who was married to a William SLADE born about 1866. Her parents were Richard KENDRICK and Julia Ann LAWRENCE. I don't know William's parents. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Gwen Gray Utah

Robert District Stourbridge Sub District Kingswinford Parish St Mary's Kingswinford RG9/2070 Folio 71 Page 39 Sched. 107 6 Enville Street PERRY James Head Widr 49 Bricklayer Born Kingswinford/STS Rebecca Dau U 5 Scholar " " Joseph John Son U 6 " " " ROGERS Phoebe Serv U 30 Servant Born Bilston/STS Happy Hunting Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Robert Campbell [mailto:rcampbell3@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2005 9:31 p.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] 1861 census for Stourbridge have reference Dear listers is there one among you who has access to the 1861 Worc census, if so could I please request a look up for the following entry: - RG9 piece 207 covering Saint Marys Kingswinford Stourbridge address 207 Entville Street, With a family called Perry is a Phoebe Rogers The actual image of this should show Phoebe's relationship to the other members. background Phoebe Rogers (nee Whitby) married John Rogers in 1860 3 years earlier Phoebe Whitby unwed mum had a son Charles Whitby who I suspect was adopted by James Perry's married sister and brought as one of her own. Interesting both baby Charles and husband John are both missing in 1861. Can someone help tie up the loose ends. cheers Bob rcampbell3@optusnet.com.au ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== FreeREG Project: parish register database http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

Dear listers is there one among you who has access to the 1861 Worc census, if so could I please request a look up for the following entry: - RG9 piece 207 covering Saint Marys Kingswinford Stourbridge address 207 Entville Street, With a family called Perry is a Phoebe Rogers The actual image of this should show Phoebe's relationship to the other members. background Phoebe Rogers (nee Whitby) married John Rogers in 1860 3 years earlier Phoebe Whitby unwed mum had a son Charles Whitby who I suspect was adopted by James Perry's married sister and brought as one of her own. Interesting both baby Charles and husband John are both missing in 1861. Can someone help tie up the loose ends. cheers Bob rcampbell3@optusnet.com.au

Dear Joy, -----Original Message-----I hope to spend a couple of days soon tracking down some of the villages where my WOR GGP lived. I wonder if you can help. I have a map of Leigh and Bransford and would like to know, please, where Lane End is or would have been.----- I can't help you with directions. However, you may be interested to know that in 2002 the Parish Council published "The Book of Leigh & Bransford : the Parish Past & Present". It is a superbly written and illustrated book (including a picture of one of my great aunts as a child at a village fete, and other pictures of her KIMBER family from the village forge), but in case it would fall foul of no-advertising list rules I will tell you more if you would like to contact me off-list. Nigel Brown

Hi Listers I hope to spend a couple of days soon tracking down some of the villages where my WOR GGP lived. I wonder if you can help. I have a map of Leigh and Bransford and would like to know, please, where Lane End is or would have been. Kind regards Joy

hello List - we wonder if sks would be so kind as to try and find this family in 1861 census?? John aged 18 years is my husband`s great great grandfather. thank you regards Jo and Keith In Ancestory.com - 1871 census - living on Oat Street, All Saints, Evesham - Ann Walker 40 Camden, Gloucestershire, England Wife All Saints Worcestershire Dressmaker Florance Walker 3 Evesham, Worcestershire, England Daughter All Saints Worcestershire Scholar Frederick Walker 16 Evesham, Worcestershire, England Son All Saints Worcestershire Gardener James Walker 48 Evesham, Worcestershire, England Head All Saints Worcestershire letter carrier John Walker 18 Evesham, Worcestershire, England Son All Saints Worcestershire Gardener Kate Walker 1 Evesham, Worcestershire, England Daughter All Saints Worcestershire Mary A Walker 12 Evesham, Worcestershire, England Daughter All Saints Worcestershire Scholar

Hi Helen and Paul A Charles Symonds married Sarah Hadley (her father Richard Hadley – labourer) at St James, West Malvern on 11th February 1850 and where they lived was in the “Cradley portion of district”. If this is the right Charles and Sarah Symonds/Simmons, then their daughter Helen Louisa Symonds baptised August 4th 1850 may help you pinpoint them on the 1851 census either in Worcestershire or Herefordshire. Regards Jacquie

Just a quick update on the genealogist interview/phone in this evening between 10pm-11pm (GMT) He will be taking questions during the interview so if you want some general advice or have any problems you need help with or ... Phone in - Phone calls 0845 300 9956 Phone in - Text Messages 0778 620 2956 I also meant to add to the earlier email, if anyone from overseas has a question for Anthony, the phone and text numbers are probably not much use so, they can also email the presenter in advance so, he can try to put the questions to Anthony on air while you listen to Anthony's answers over the net... The email address is keith.middleton@bbc.co.uk Good luck and happy listening! Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue" <suehancox@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 4:23 AM Subject: Genealogist & Phone In - BBC WM > Just to let you know that Anthony Adolph, genealogist to Fern and Phil on > ITV's 'This morning' programme and the official genealogist of > www.genesreunited.co.uk and will be interviewed by Keith Middleton on the > Late Show on BBC WM, Coventry and Warwickshire on Tuesday 5th April between > 10-11pm! > > Not only will he be talking about how to get started on the basics of family > trees and talking about some of the celebrity ones he has completed. He > is willing to take calls from those wanting to get started or those facing > brick walls! If you need advice call/text in and they will do their best to > put you through to him or ask him about your problems... > > The frequencies for anyone who is interested are 95.6FM for Birmingham, > Wolverhampton and the Black Country and 94.8FM, 104FM, 103.7FM for Coventry > and Warwickshire... > > It can also be heard live online at http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/radiowm/ by > clicking the 'LISTEN LIVE' button on the right hand side of the page... > > If anyone wants to check they have their listening frequencies sorted > beforehand, I can recommend tuning in at between 10-11pm on Monday 4th April > when a fantastic author GERVASE PHINN aka 'The James Herriott of Schools' > will be interviewed. He is an ex-school inspector from Yorkshire, who tells > a great story... He will be followed by psychic author, MARILYNN LYNNE > BERRY, who started to track down an answer to a mystery for her Edwardian > ancestors after she was contacted in a series of dreams and describes her > real experiences in 'The Visitor'! > > They are not to be missed! > > Happy listening... > > Sue > > PS: I am not connected to Anthony Adolph, Genes Reunited, ITV, (Gervase > Phinn, Marilynn Lynne Berry) etc - just thought he would be of interest to > the list - and may be able to help some of the members during his phone in! > > Phone in - Phone calls 0845 300 9956 > Phone in - Text Messages 0778 620 2956 >

Hi Robert, the 1861 census for the area is FREE online,this link was given to me ages ago by someone. http://www.griffs4bears.co.uk/census/scripts/search61.html Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Campbell" <rcampbell3@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: [WOR] 1861 census for Stourbridge have reference > Dear listers is there one among you who has access to the 1861 Worc census, > if so could I please request a look up for the following entry: - > > RG9 piece 207 covering Saint Marys Kingswinford Stourbridge > address 207 Entville Street, > With a family called Perry is a Phoebe Rogers > The actual image of this should show Phoebe's relationship to the other > members. > > background > > Phoebe Rogers (nee Whitby) married John Rogers in 1860 > > 3 years earlier Phoebe Whitby unwed mum had a son Charles Whitby who I > suspect was adopted by James Perry's married sister and brought as one of > her own. > Interesting both baby Charles and husband John are both missing in 1861. > Can someone help tie up the loose ends. > cheers > Bob > rcampbell3@optusnet.com.au > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Hi Bob, here are the details; RG9/2070 folio 71 6 Enville Street Stourbridge Worcs ED 9 James Perry HD Widower 49 Bricklayer Kingswinford Staffs Rebecca Daur 5 Kingswinford Staffs Joseph John Son 6 Kingswinford Staffs Phoebe Rogers (looks like SERV) U 30 Housekeeper Bilston Staffs Please note Bilston is near Dudley. Best Wishes from Linda.

Hi there, I have just returned to this list following on the trail of family jumping from County to County around 1861! Just received the birth certificate of a fatherless Charles Whitby born to Phoebe Whitby on 3rd May 1857 at Sedgley in Stafford. In 1860 I believe this unwed mum was married at Saint Thomas Dudley, Worc to a John Rogers. Now information I have been given is that if they then settled in this area then the St Thomas area of Dudley is nearer Netherton, and if so, this would be part of Dudley Worc, not Dudley Stfs. So is that enough info for a shot in the dark or rummage through the hay? Looking for a 3-4 year old Charles ROGERS (WHITBY) with mother Phoebe and father John in that area in the 1861 census. Can anyone help? they are definitely not in the area where little Charles was born. Your help would be greatly appreciated Bob in Brisbane