G'day Brian, Here's the 1851 census entry (transcript only): Piece 2045/Folio 306/Schedule 013 Address: Wadborough, Wadborough & Pirton, Pershore George Jelfs Head Married 46 Ag. Labourer WOR Elizabeth Wife M 44 Seamstress Stoulton,WOR Eliza Dau 13 Wadborough,WOR Giles Son 11 Wadborough,WOR Nemnia?? Dau 9 Wadborough,WOR William Son 4 Wadborough,WOR Elenmerid? Dau 6 Wadborough,WOR Piece 2045/Folio 229/Schedule 083 Address: West Side of High Street, St.Andrews & Pensham, Pershore James Elkington Head Married 40 Inn keeper Otterbury,OXF Harriet Jelfs Serv Unm 23 House servant Wadborough,WOR Jane Jelfs Serv Unm 15 Nurse Wadborough,WOR Regards from Malcolm Platt-Grigg. Participant in Grigg DNA Project http://www.familytreedna.com/ Researching: GRIGG Halesowen, Harborne, Birmingham PLATT Wednesbury, Darlaston http://www.platt-grigg.accessgenealogy.com/ http://uk-transcriptions.accessgenealogy.com -----Original Message----- From: June Apps [mailto:ja012h6443@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 27 April 2005 5:54 PM To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] Jelf or Jelfs Hello All Back on list after a while away so hoping SKS can help me out with my problem with nearest census to the following family which I am not quite sure about. George Jelf(s) m Elizabeth (date unknown) Children? Harriet b c1828 Mary b c1830 George b c1831 Charles b c1833 Jane b c1835 Eliza b c1838 Giles b c1839 Children born or christened in PIRTON, WORCS. Also if they are same family, where is/was Pirton, many thanks in advance, and hoping I am not asking to much of you. Regards Brian (in Birmingham)

I have a query regarding a baptism recorded at Areley Kings in 1763 and another in 1766. The records are in the registers at Areley kings with a note at the end of the relevant line "done at Hawford". The only Hawford I can locate is near Worcester. Is there a property or was there a hamlet near Areley Kings in the period called Hawford Regards Bob Millman Strathpine Qld

Mike, mine are from Pirton/Wadborough, Regards Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Walker" <mikecarolyn@tesco.net> To: "June Apps" <ja012h6443@blueyonder.co.uk>; <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [WOR] Jelf or Jelfs > Hello Brian > > Pirton is a small village 4 miles west of Pershore and 7 miles south of > Worcester. You should be able to find it on a good map. > > I am also tracing JELFS in Worcestershire. Mine were in Hampton, then a > separate village, 1 mile south west of Evesham. Any connection ? > > Regards > > Mike Walker > Wiltshire, UK > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "June Apps" <ja012h6443@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:53 AM > Subject: [WOR] Jelf or Jelfs > > > > Hello All > > Back on list after a while away so hoping SKS can help me out with my > problem with nearest census to the following family which I am not quite > sure about. > > George Jelf(s) m Elizabeth (date unknown) > > Children? > > Harriet b c1828 > > Mary b c1830 > > George b c1831 > > Charles b c1833 > > Jane b c1835 > > Eliza b c1838 > > Giles b c1839 > > Children born or christened in PIRTON, WORCS. > > Also if they are same family, where is/was Pirton, many thanks in advance, > and hoping I am not asking to much of you. > > Regards Brian (in Birmingham) > > > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/05 > > > > > > >

Brian, Here they are in the 1841 census: HO107/1206/16/05 & 06 Wadborough, Pershore George Jelf 35 Ag Lab y to all Elizabeth " 35 George " 10 Charles " 7 Giles " 1 Harriot " 12 Maryann " 11 Jane " 5 Eliza " 3 William " 75 Ag Lab Ages over 15 rounded down: 15-19=15 20-24=20 etc. y=born in county. Nuala ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Apps" <ja012h6443@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:53 AM Subject: [WOR] Jelf or Jelfs > Hello All > Back on list after a while away so hoping SKS can help me out with my problem with nearest census to the following family which I am not quite sure about. > George Jelf(s) m Elizabeth (date unknown) > Children? > Harriet b c1828 > Mary b c1830 > George b c1831 > Charles b c1833 > Jane b c1835 > Eliza b c1838 > Giles b c1839 > Children born or christened in PIRTON, WORCS. > Also if they are same family, where is/was Pirton, many thanks in advance, and hoping I am not asking to much of you. > Regards Brian (in Birmingham) > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > > >

Hello Brian Pirton is a small village 4 miles west of Pershore and 7 miles south of Worcester. You should be able to find it on a good map. I am also tracing JELFS in Worcestershire. Mine were in Hampton, then a separate village, 1 mile south west of Evesham. Any connection ? Regards Mike Walker Wiltshire, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Apps" <ja012h6443@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:53 AM Subject: [WOR] Jelf or Jelfs > Hello All > Back on list after a while away so hoping SKS can help me out with my problem with nearest census to the following family which I am not quite sure about. > George Jelf(s) m Elizabeth (date unknown) > Children? > Harriet b c1828 > Mary b c1830 > George b c1831 > Charles b c1833 > Jane b c1835 > Eliza b c1838 > Giles b c1839 > Children born or christened in PIRTON, WORCS. > Also if they are same family, where is/was Pirton, many thanks in advance, and hoping I am not asking to much of you. > Regards Brian (in Birmingham) > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/05 > >

Hello All Back on list after a while away so hoping SKS can help me out with my problem with nearest census to the following family which I am not quite sure about. George Jelf(s) m Elizabeth (date unknown) Children? Harriet b c1828 Mary b c1830 George b c1831 Charles b c1833 Jane b c1835 Eliza b c1838 Giles b c1839 Children born or christened in PIRTON, WORCS. Also if they are same family, where is/was Pirton, many thanks in advance, and hoping I am not asking to much of you. Regards Brian (in Birmingham)

Hello all I have an Edward / Joseph Taylor who stole a horse in Upper Sapey early 1800s. The owner of the horse was Mr Seward. Edward Taylor was tried in Worcestershire. To find out more about Taylors presuming they were in Upper Sapey should I look in Worcester, Hereford or Birmingham, which is closest? Many thanks, Janice Taylor Researching: Taylor, Armstrong, Wainwright, Wall, Martin, Chaplain, Hannabus

Hi Janice Upper Sapey is in Herefordshire. best wishes Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Janice Taylor" <rjjltaylor@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:14 AM Subject: [WOR] Taylor - Upper Sapey > Hello all > I have an Edward / Joseph Taylor who stole a horse in Upper Sapey early 1800s. The owner of the horse was Mr Seward. Edward Taylor was tried in Worcestershire. To find out more about Taylors presuming they were in Upper Sapey should I look in Worcester, Hereford or Birmingham, which is closest? > > Many thanks, > > Janice Taylor > Researching: Taylor, Armstrong, Wainwright, Wall, Martin, Chaplain, Hannabus > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > > > __________ NOD32 1.1076 (20050424) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1076 (20050424) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Hi Gwynne, From a male Gwynne to a female Gwynne! You said; > > My husband's ALLENDER ancestors wandered about a lot in the 19th century. They went from Worcs - Glocestershire - Monmouthshire - Shropshire - Aston (Warks) - Sheffield and back to Mon. All of them were forgemen or connected in some way with the iron or steel industry. > Although I don't have any connection with the ALLENDER name, I know a lady in Canada who is researching that name. I believe her line includes a John or James ALLENDER, born 1794, Christened at Aston Juxta Warw. One branch of the family of iron workers, lived all the 19th century at Eardington forge, just South of Bridgnorth in Shropshire. My involvement has been in providing all the local census transcriptions of the family and some Monumental Inscriptions. Would you like me to contact the Canadian lady on your behalf? Gwynne. Transcribing all the Bridgnorth town census. http://www.chadwickg.freeserve.co.uk RAF Bridgnorth web site. http://rafbridgnorth.mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk

Hello Gwynne, The likely place was Wilden Ironworks - which is now (I believe) the site of Wilden Industrial Estate on the East side of the River Stour about a mile North-East of the centre of Stouport on Severn. But I know nothing of the works, beyond the fact that there used (*many* years ago) to be an arm off the Staffs & Worcs Canal with a lock that led boats down to the River to serve the works. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Gwynne Wright <candg-Wright@churm.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: [WOR] Hartlebury and Kidderminster ALLENDER > Hello, > > I'm a new sibscriber to this list but am a member of several other lists. > > My husband's ALLENDER ancestors wandered about a lot in the 19th century. They went from Worcs - Glocestershire - Monmouthshire - Shropshire - Aston (Warks) - Sheffield and back to Mon. All of them were forgemen or connected in some way with the iron or steel industry. > > Several of them married in Kidderminster but had their children baptised in Hartlebury. Can anyone with local knowledge tell me why this may be? > > I can also find nothing via google about the iron and steel industry in Hartlebury can anyone recommend a book which would enlighten me? > > Thanks for reading, > > Gwynne > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

This is the *SOUNDEX* output when SEENEY is typed in. SCHANEY | SCHINE | SCHOEN | SCHONE | SCHWAN | SCOWN | SEHON | SENEY | SENN | SHAHAN | SHAIN | SHANE | SHAWHAN | SHEEHAN | SHEWAN | SHINE | SHINN | SHOUN | SHUMWAY | SIM | SINE | SKEEN | SKENE | SMAW | SNOW | SUMMA | SUMNEY | SWAIM | SWAIN | SWAN | SWANN | SWAYNE | SWEENEY | SWEENY | SWIM | SWINNEY | SYME. If you type SOUNDEX into GOOGLE and then use the Rootsweb converter for the *other* variations of this name. John Eaton Socon

Hello, I'm a new sibscriber to this list but am a member of several other lists. My husband's ALLENDER ancestors wandered about a lot in the 19th century. They went from Worcs - Glocestershire - Monmouthshire - Shropshire - Aston (Warks) - Sheffield and back to Mon. All of them were forgemen or connected in some way with the iron or steel industry. Several of them married in Kidderminster but had their children baptised in Hartlebury. Can anyone with local knowledge tell me why this may be? I can also find nothing via google about the iron and steel industry in Hartlebury can anyone recommend a book which would enlighten me? Thanks for reading, Gwynne

Mike Yegwart> If you find a transcription in pdf format, providing it's > "typed" there is a search engine built in to Adobe Reader. > You should be using version 6.0.3 > The current version is 7.0 David.

First of all I have the 1851 census for Worcester and I would like to know if Alfred REA in on the 1841. His father James REA was at Sidbury in 1829 and on the 1851 census. Is it possible to look up Sidbury on the 1841 and tell me if Alfred was on that census please. I believe his mother died in 1829. He would have been 19 or 15 on the 1841. Second request is can anyone tell me where I would go to get a will for 1852 for Worcester. James REA was buried at Peter the Great in June 1852 and I would like to get a copy of his will. Thank you. Joan in Devon

Replied off list Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Collins" <gcollins@vaxxine.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: [WOR] 1871 BROMSGROVE WORKHOUSE > The following orphans came to Canada with Maria Rye in 1874. Is it > possible > to search for these girls in the 1871 census hoping they are still with > their family. > > Laura Basnn 7 > jan Banner 5 > Eliza Bird 5 > Jan Bird > Jane Carpenter 3 > > Sincerly GAIL in Ontario > Maria Rye database years 1868 - 1879 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/05 > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ >

List sent off list Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Collins" <gcollins@vaxxine.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 8:43 AM Subject: [WOR] 1871 BROMSGROVE WORKHOUSE > The following orphans came to Canada with Maria Rye in 1873 - is it > possible to get a copy of the 1871 census (hoping it isn't too could I get > a full copy/pasted back to me in an email offline) to see if other family > might also be there.) > > Eliza Lyddal 5 > Sarah Ann Hainer 10 > Jane Warner 3 > MaryYoung 4 > Louisa Burke 8 > Emma Taylor 10 > Susan Price 3 > Sarah Matthews 10 > Ellin Matthews 3 > > Sincere thanks GAIL in Ontario > Maria Rye database for years 1869-1879 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/05 > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ >

Found, sent off list -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Hardy [mailto:kiwiray33@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 23 April 2005 10:40 a.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] Samuel Bytheway Hi Listers, Can you help me with SAMUEL BYTHEWAY 1901 census he is 39 yrs old married to Hannah Marie (nee Moseley) 1891 Samuel Bytheway 29 yrs with family working at Railway Tavern The Croft, Dudley 1881 Samuel Bytheway 19 Barman at the Railway Tavern unmarried I can't find him in the 1871 census His Parents were Thomas Bytheway and Elizabeth (nee Green) any help locating this family pre 1881 census would be much appreciated. Thanks Raymond Hardy Auckland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kiwiray33/index.html http://www.gencircles.com/users/kiwiray33/1/ _________________________________________________________________ Shop 'til you drop at XtraMSN Shopping http://shopping.xtramsn.co.nz/home/ ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== FreeREG Project: parish register database http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

Hi Listers, Can you help me with SAMUEL BYTHEWAY 1901 census he is 39 yrs old married to Hannah Marie (nee Moseley) 1891 Samuel Bytheway 29 yrs with family working at Railway Tavern The Croft, Dudley 1881 Samuel Bytheway 19 Barman at the Railway Tavern unmarried I can't find him in the 1871 census His Parents were Thomas Bytheway and Elizabeth (nee Green) any help locating this family pre 1881 census would be much appreciated. Thanks Raymond Hardy Auckland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kiwiray33/index.html http://www.gencircles.com/users/kiwiray33/1/ _________________________________________________________________ Shop ‘til you drop at XtraMSN Shopping http://shopping.xtramsn.co.nz/home/

The following orphans came to Canada with Maria Rye in 1874. Is it possible to search for these girls in the 1871 census hoping they are still with their family. Laura Basnn 7 jan Banner 5 Eliza Bird 5 Jan Bird Jane Carpenter 3 Sincerly GAIL in Ontario Maria Rye database years 1868 - 1879 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/05

Many thanks to all those who replied to my request to find Tim Palmer. I am pleased to say we are back in contact. Gordon