Hello Janice, I've found him in 1851 at Wolverley near Kidderminster. I'll send the details off list. Colin Lloyd Kidderminster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian & Janice Hughes" <brianhughes@lineone.net> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: BADLAND - Areley Kings look up please > I wonder if SKS could look up Joseph BADLAND who according to 1871 Census was born Areley Kings in about 1841. I cannot find him on the IGI. > > I would also be grateful if anyone could find him on the 1851 Census aged about 10 and 1861 Census aged about 20. In 1871 he was living in Liverpool with wife Anne (born about 1844 Penkridge, Staffs) and children Arthur 1863, Sarah 1865, Francis 1866, George 1868, & Mary 1870 all the children were born Liverpool except Francis who was born Penkridge. > > Many thanks > > Janice Hughes > > ______________________________

Hi Georgina: You mentioned being able to do an 1851 Census lookup for Ludlow. I would very much appreciate it if you could look up one Emmanuel Prince. He was baptized in Ludlow 25 May 1832, so would be c. 19 yrs. on the census. His father was Samuel Prince, & mother Maria, but she died in 1837 & Samuel remarried in 1841 to a Louisa Childs who should be found on the census. I am directly descended from the Princes as my grandmother was Ellen Prince. Any info you can give me would be great. Your neighbor in Yorba Linda, CA!! Barbara Arnold

John No it won't unless she had moved. Mamble, Bayton and Rock are all enumerated under piece HO107/1985 , part of the Shropshire Census. Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: JOHN RICHARDSON [mailto:jjminfiek@ntlworld.com] Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2005 5:19 p.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WOR] Mamble, Bayton Hello, MY copy of the Worc 1851 which has search facility, does NOT reveal ELIZABETH COPNER. Sorry Good hunting John Eaton Socon ----- Original Message ----- From: <Suttonian1@aol.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:06 PM Subject: [WOR] Mamble, Bayton > Hi Listers, > > I have had a major breakthrough with one of my lines after 40 years. > My 2nd gt grandmother Elizabeth Tunks had a child Isabella Tunks in 1818 > in > Ludlow. No father noted on christening. On Isabella's marriage in 1841 > to > William Corfield she notes Richard Tunks farmer of Bitterley as her > father. > > I have now found in the 1861 census for Mamble Worcestershire, Elizabeth > Copner widow age 65 (born 1795 in Bitterley) mother to wife Isabella > Corfield. So > this is Elizabeth (Tunks) Copner. > > My question .. does anyone have access to the 1851 census for Mamble? or > Bayton? so that I can see if Elizabeth Copner is there and hopefully her > husband. > > > I have the census for 1851 of Bitterley and Ludlow, if anyone needs > lookups. > > regards > Georgina Goodby Fisher > in Orange, California > 6 miles east of Disneyland > www.goodbytree.org > One Name Study GOODBY > Guild of One Name Studies > Goons member #4148 > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

Many thanks, Denise, for the 1861 WALTERS listing. That is certainly my family. Thomas, age 6, is my great grandfather. I was surprised to find them in Sedgley/Wolverhampton area. I can't make out the name of the village at the top of the sheet ..Wood___ but their location in Swan Village caught my eye as there has been some discussion on the STS list re Swan Village. If you can spare a few minutes to look them up in the 1871 I would be most grateful. I am interested in whether the name is shown as WATERS or WALTERS. By 1881 Thomas WATERS is married to Elizabeth Jenkins, living in Aston, with three children. All were sent to Canada (as WALTERS) from the Middlemore Home following his death in 1884. My grandfather, Thomas, was the eldest. Regards to all, Dawn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <nikki247@optonline.net> To: "Dawn Matheson" <laverty@kos.net>; <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] 1861 Census WATERS > Image sent off list.. > > Denise > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawn Matheson" <laverty@kos.net> > To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 7:14 PM > Subject: [WOR] 1861 Census WATERS > > > > Would appreciate a lookup in the 1861 census for William WATERS and family > > who appear in the 1851 as: > > 1851 UK Census Worcestershire, Tardebigg, Webheath, Redditch and > > Alvechurch: > > 117 Headless Cross > > WATERS William head married 32 day labourer Warwick Alcester (b. > > 1819) > > Mary wife 31 formerly needlemaker, hand straightener, > > Wor Redditch (b.1820) > > Matilda daug 9 needlemaker Warwick Grafton (b. 1842) > > Elizabeth daug 3 at home Wor Webheath (b. 1848) > > Jane daug 1 at home Wor Webheath (b. 1850) > > PARSONS, Emma niece 2 months, at home, Wor Webheath > > > > Many thanks. > > Dawn Matheson > > Ontario, Canada > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 5/2/05

I wonder if SKS could look up Joseph BADLAND who according to 1871 Census was born Areley Kings in about 1841. I cannot find him on the IGI. I would also be grateful if anyone could find him on the 1851 Census aged about 10 and 1861 Census aged about 20. In 1871 he was living in Liverpool with wife Anne (born about 1844 Penkridge, Staffs) and children Arthur 1863, Sarah 1865, Francis 1866, George 1868, & Mary 1870 all the children were born Liverpool except Francis who was born Penkridge. Many thanks Janice Hughes

Hello Brian Without any details as to where George was recorded not easy to come up with suggestions. The Quick Answer is that the place is likely to be Offenham - a parish slightly North and East of Evesham. But to answer the second part would really need a look at the Enumerator's Return. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: June Apps <ja012h6443@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: [WOR] jelf > Hello All > I have a George Jelf on LDS 1881 aged 76 b Hoffenham Wood Cutter (2 of 3). > I assume birthplace wrong spelling? > But what does the (2 of 3) mean. > Regards Brian > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

I go with Multimap here..... But could it be Morton Spirt - on the WOR/WAR boundary - and (probably) within the borders of Abbotts Morton? Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Alison Bryan <alison.bryan@gmail.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: [WOR] Morton upon Swale (Nutting) > Does anyone know if Morton upon Swale exists / existed in Worcs? > > >From the 1861 census, my ggg grandfather, William Nutting, is down as > being born in Morton upon Swale, Worcs. Census details here: >

Hi You folks are just wonderful. You always come thru with ideas and help with research. No, I haven't found her .. not yet .. but I will. Regards Georgina

I am re-sending a message that I sent yesterday after joining the list. Although a copy of it was put in my "sent" folder, it didn't come back from the List in my in-box so I'm thinking that somehow it never got to the list. Hello Listers: I'm new on the block. My family name is Pedley. Two (of four) of my Great GrandUncles lived in (near?) Kidderminster. Uncle Stanhope Humphrey Pedley's death cert (1938) states that his residence was "The Monks Chaddesley Corbett RD". Uncle Philip Pedley's cert (1956) states that his residence was "34 Marlpool Lane Kidderminster". Stanhope's wife Mary Leonie Pedley (Munster) was the informant for Philip's death cert. It states that her residence at that time was "Eastcote Chaddesley Corbett (near) Kidderminster". I don't know if that was the same residence as "The Monks" I am fearful that neither uncle had any children. I think that they both might have been fairly well-to-do. And so therefore, could it be possible that either of those two residences still exist? A home they lived in as children, in Chesterfield, Derbyshire (Stubbing Court) still stands. If I could find where the the three of them are buried where might I find someone who could take pictures of these places? Is there a local library that might have archived newspapers where there might be obits - and hopefully (fingers crossed) pictures? It would be so wonderful to actually find pictures. Diane

Does anyone know if Morton upon Swale exists / existed in Worcs? From the 1861 census, my ggg grandfather, William Nutting, is down as being born in Morton upon Swale, Worcs. Census details here: http://www.alisonbryan.com/notes/archives/000377.html Yet Google, Multimap et al only points me to Morton on Swale in North Yorks. Help! Many thanks, Alison

Georgina, I have the 1851 census for Shropshire, have checked through Mamble and Bayton and cannot see Elizabeth, but did find the household of William and Isabella, which I sending through off-list. Best wishes Ian Preece PREECE FAMILY HISTORY & ONE NAME STUDY Now over 100,000 entries - but have you sent me YOURS yet..... -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 02/05/2005

Hello All I have a George Jelf on LDS 1881 aged 76 b Hoffenham Wood Cutter (2 of 3). I assume birthplace wrong spelling? But what does the (2 of 3) mean. Regards Brian

Thank you very much to all those who replied to my original query. I trust that I have replied individually but just in case - thanks to all I have learnt a lot - I have had some things confirmed - I have been pointed to other sources - and I have been pleasantly surprised as some new avenues for research have opened up as I now know that one set of my maternal great-great-grandparents, well at least the husband, came from Devon! Jim Jim & Beverley Payne NEW ZEALAND jr_bjpayne@xtra.co.nz Our web page has moved to the following URL: http://www.shampayne.org.nz > > My maternal great-grandparents left England to settle in New > Zealand in 1874 and although I know something about their > life in England I was wondering if SKS could help me with a > look up in the earlier English census. I realize that the > lack of an index in many of these census makes it hard to > locate people but nothing ventured - nothing lost! > > My great-grandfather was Thomas Nathaniel or Nathaniel Thomas > PAYTON b 1840 High gate, Parish of Ashton, WAR, ENG s/o > Frederick PEYTON/PAYTON and Ann DOWNERS while my great-grand > mother was Ann MARTIN b Yardley, WORK, ENG d/o John MARTIN and > Charity PARK HOUSE. They were married 10 June 1861 Beardsley, > WAR, ENG which was after the 1861 census so I would like to > know about the details on the 1871 census probably in > Yardley, WORK, ENG with their children Mary Jane b 1862, > Frederick John b 1864, and Eliza b 1868 - my grandmother > > I would also like to see the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census pages > or full details for each of Thomas Nathaniel PAYTON and Ann > MARTIN when they were single (and living with their parents?) > >

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Hello, MY copy of the Worc 1851 which has search facility, does NOT reveal ELIZABETH COPNER. Sorry Good hunting John Eaton Socon ----- Original Message ----- From: <Suttonian1@aol.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:06 PM Subject: [WOR] Mamble, Bayton > Hi Listers, > > I have had a major breakthrough with one of my lines after 40 years. > My 2nd gt grandmother Elizabeth Tunks had a child Isabella Tunks in 1818 > in > Ludlow. No father noted on christening. On Isabella's marriage in 1841 > to > William Corfield she notes Richard Tunks farmer of Bitterley as her > father. > > I have now found in the 1861 census for Mamble Worcestershire, Elizabeth > Copner widow age 65 (born 1795 in Bitterley) mother to wife Isabella > Corfield. So > this is Elizabeth (Tunks) Copner. > > My question .. does anyone have access to the 1851 census for Mamble? or > Bayton? so that I can see if Elizabeth Copner is there and hopefully her > husband. > > > I have the census for 1851 of Bitterley and Ludlow, if anyone needs > lookups. > > regards > Georgina Goodby Fisher > in Orange, California > 6 miles east of Disneyland > www.goodbytree.org > One Name Study GOODBY > Guild of One Name Studies > Goons member #4148 > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

I'm hoping a fresh set of eyes can help me sort this puzzle out. I have a marriage in 1847 1/11/1847 Henry WORTON, Bachelor, of full age, a labourer. Lived Swan Street(I think), father John Worton, a Labourer Ann PARLAR, a widow of full age, lived Mill Street. Father John Davis, a weaver. Witnesses were Phoebe Parlar and John Davis. In 1851 I have William Henry PAILER (I'm pretty sure this is my PARLAR family) Head age 47 Carpet Weaver born Hereford Yely? ( I think this is really Phoebe) PAILER Wife age 42 born Kidderminster Ann WARTON Daughter age 22 born Kidderminster occ Bobbin winder for Carpet Weavers Edwin PAILER Son age 20 Carpet Weaver born Kidderminster James PAILER Son age 17 Carpet Weaver born Kidderminster Harriett PAILER Daughter age 6 Carpet Weavers assistant born Kidderminster (Probably reads 16) In 1861 I have: 1861 RG92079 Folio 110 Page 12 ED:18 Sched. 78 Virtue Cottage ( St John Street ) PARLOUR Matthew/ William? Head M 57 Comm. Carpet Weaver Born Hereford/HEF Phebe Wife M 52 Born Kidderminster/WOR WHARTON Ann Dau. U 32 " " PARLOUR Sarah Ellen Dau. U 5 Scholar " " The mother Phoebe has the father John Davis. Seems like the same father as her daughter Ann Warton. If she is a widow PARLAR in 1847 why is she listed as a daughter in 1851 and 1861? It seems like she should have been a daughter in law in 1847, but her father is the same as Phoebe, so did a sister marry a nephew? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Jennifer

I am hoping someone can help me I have had a small computer glitch and lost the information that went along with 2 marriage records. Would someone be able to lookup a marriage December 02, 1827, St. Mary's Kidderminster for a William Henry Parlar, and Pheobe Davis and April 12, 1857 for a William Henry Parlar and Ellen Redding. I have just received new census information for the family and now nothing makes sense. When I went back to check the marriages, and half the information was missing. Thank you Jennifer

Image sent off list.. Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Matheson" <laverty@kos.net> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 7:14 PM Subject: [WOR] 1861 Census WATERS > Would appreciate a lookup in the 1861 census for William WATERS and family > who appear in the 1851 as: > 1851 UK Census Worcestershire, Tardebigg, Webheath, Redditch and > Alvechurch: > 117 Headless Cross > WATERS William head married 32 day labourer Warwick Alcester (b. > 1819) > Mary wife 31 formerly needlemaker, hand straightener, > Wor Redditch (b.1820) > Matilda daug 9 needlemaker Warwick Grafton (b. 1842) > Elizabeth daug 3 at home Wor Webheath (b. 1848) > Jane daug 1 at home Wor Webheath (b. 1850) > PARSONS, Emma niece 2 months, at home, Wor Webheath > > Many thanks. > Dawn Matheson > Ontario, Canada > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.1 - Release Date: 5/2/05 > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ >

Would appreciate a lookup in the 1861 census for William WATERS and family who appear in the 1851 as: 1851 UK Census Worcestershire, Tardebigg, Webheath, Redditch and Alvechurch: 117 Headless Cross WATERS William head married 32 day labourer Warwick Alcester (b. 1819) Mary wife 31 formerly needlemaker, hand straightener, Wor Redditch (b.1820) Matilda daug 9 needlemaker Warwick Grafton (b. 1842) Elizabeth daug 3 at home Wor Webheath (b. 1848) Jane daug 1 at home Wor Webheath (b. 1850) PARSONS, Emma niece 2 months, at home, Wor Webheath Many thanks. Dawn Matheson Ontario, Canada -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.1 - Release Date: 5/2/05

Hi Linda Thanks for that.. however I have since found that Ann was a Richardson and was born in Lower Mitton. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Lamberg" <linpete@lamberg25.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] HOOPER > Hi John, this is the nearest match. > > Piece 2042 673 78 Merry Hill Parish of St Andrew Worcester South > > William Hooper HD M 50 Carpenter Suckley Worcs > Ann Hooper W M 49 Huckstress Mathon Worcs > > Best Wishes from Linda. > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >