Hello Kathy, Here they are as BENN... Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island Emma Benn 1835 Worcestershire, England Wife All Saints Worcestershire Fanny Benn 1859 Worcestershire, England Daughter All Saints Worcestershire Fredrick Benn 1827 Berrow, Worcestershire, England Head All Saints Worcestershire Fanny J Francis 1849 Worcestershire, England Servant All Saints Worcestershire Joseph Grimmett 1836 Old Park, Worcestershire, England Boarder All Saints Worcestershire Samuel C Marsden 1835 Werster, Buckinghamshire, England Boarder All Saints Worcestershire William Thomas 1833 St Clement, Herefordshire, England Boarder All Saints Worcestershire Best regards, John Kane Sapcote, Leics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Mitchell" <taffy65@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: [WOR] help 1861 please > Hi List, > I'm having problems locating my BUNN family in the 1861 census. I'm > wondering if SKS could point me in the right direction. I have tried > Brown,Buss ,Binn and more names that I can't remember. :-) > > FREDERICK BUNN b 1823 married EMMA MERRICK b 1832 > 07 Mar 1858 Claines Worcester (.Some census have Frederick > as born in Burrell and some in Tetbury Gloucestershire ) > > FANNY BUNN born 1859 > All Saints Worcester > > Thanks for any help > Kathy BUNN,MERRICK,HULL Worcester and Birmingham

Hi List, I'm having problems locating my BUNN family in the 1861 census. I'm wondering if SKS could point me in the right direction. I have tried Brown,Buss ,Binn and more names that I can't remember. :-) FREDERICK BUNN b 1823 married EMMA MERRICK b 1832 07 Mar 1858 Claines Worcester (.Some census have Frederick as born in Burrell and some in Tetbury Gloucestershire ) FANNY BUNN born 1859 All Saints Worcester Thanks for any help Kathy BUNN,MERRICK,HULL Worcester and Birmingham

For anyone who has ancestors in or around Sedgley (not far from Dudley) the Ancient Manor of Sedgley web site is a must. Even if you have no connections it is worth a visit as it has so much information about the area. http://www.sedgleymanor.com/ Regards Janice

A very big thank you to all who responded to my request, especially Bob, Marion, Vivien and Colin. I never cease to to amazed at how helpful everyone on this list is. Janice

Yes John! They all had to be baptised, it wasn't their fault if they were illegitimate, and the parents were afraid not to have the child baptised anyway. Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN RICHARDSON" <jjminfiek@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 12:36 AM Subject: [WOR] marriage > Hello > > Quick question for someone *in the know* about these things. > > In the year 1804; could a child have been baptised in a C of E church in > Lower Mitton, without the parents being married? > > John Richardson > Cambs > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > > >

In 1804 (or at any other time) a child could be baptised at any Church of England church whether or not its parents were married - for it was the CHILD, not its parents, that was being Entered in the Congregation. It might well - depending on the level of Charity of the Baptiser, and the level of Contrition of the Unwed Mother - be given a Derogatory Label, such as (in order of the Baptiser's view on the seriousness of the mother's sin) Bastard Base Born Natural Child or even without comment (but that was rare). Some might add "widow" against the mother's name - but if the child had a surname-looking Middle Name, then that would still give sufficient doubt. But the lack of parents' marriage wasn't a bar to a baptism - although baptism (then, as now) was NOT a Legal Requirement. But many Sects (including the CofE) held that it was a necessary pre-requisite should the child wish later to be confirmed or married under the sect's rules. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN RICHARDSON <jjminfiek@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:36 PM Subject: [WOR] marriage > Hello > > Quick question for someone *in the know* about these things. > > In the year 1804; could a child have been baptised in a C of E church in Lower Mitton, without the parents being married? > > John Richardson > Cambs > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Found this in the 1829 Pigots Directory for Worcester. I was right. Charles Middleton was there because of his job. He's living in Lark Hill, Crescent Then several pages on under the Miscellaneous heading is: Military Depot for the County & City of Worcester, St Nicholas' st - Charles Waterson, superintendent. --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

Hello Jenn, This one's probably a bit young for Emma, but I think her name is MUGG... Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island John Smith 1829 Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England Head Bromsgrove Worcestershire Rosannah Smith 1828 Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England Wife Bromsgrove Worcestershire Emma Migg 1850 Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England Daughter-in-law Bromsgrove Worcestershire Jane Migg 1852 Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England Daughter-in-law Bromsgrove Worcestershire And a possible marriage for her mother from FreeBMD... Marriages Dec 1856 Manning Mary Ann Stourbridge 6c 276 Mugg Rosanna Stourbridge 6c 276 Smith John Stourbridge 6c 276 Wakeman Edwin Stourbridge 6c 276 Just a theory :) Best regards, John Kane Sapcote, Leics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Penner" <jennifer_penner@alumni.sfu.ca> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 5:36 PM Subject: [WOR] 1861 census Loat/Mugg >I am looking for an elusive couple in 1861. Jabez Loat, not living with >his family and I can't find him in the index. B. abt 1835 in Bromsgrove and >his wife to be Emma Mugg b. 1845 in Bromsgrove. Her father is William. >They ended up getting married in 1864. Jabez ends up in jail eventually. >Is anyone else researching one of these families? Thanks Jenn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 29/04/2005

Maggs wrote: > Bit of useless information here, I used to go out with someone whose sister owned the Sun and Slipper pub in Mamble. It was a spooky place, lots of things happened there. Hello Maggs, lots of things do still happen there, like a beautiful fillet steak wrapped in bacon in a red wine & mushroom sauce mmmm. Roger & Wendy Carr run the pub and I would recommend it to anyone (I have no connections to the people or the pub -just a diner) Regards Jean I haven't been there for quite a while and have been thinking of a different place to go. Maybe I'll suggest it to my darling hubby, methinks the very mention of the fillet steak could do the trick. Wolfie

Hello Quick question for someone *in the know* about these things. In the year 1804; could a child have been baptised in a C of E church in Lower Mitton, without the parents being married? John Richardson Cambs

Maggs wrote: > Bit of useless information here, I used to go out with someone whose sister owned the Sun and Slipper pub in Mamble. It was a spooky place, lots of things happened there. Hello Maggs, lots of things do still happen there, like a beautiful fillet steak wrapped in bacon in a red wine & mushroom sauce mmmm. Roger & Wendy Carr run the pub and I would recommend it to anyone (I have no connections to the people or the pub -just a diner) Regards Jean

Bit of useless information here, I used to go out with someone whose sister owned the Sun and Slipper pub in Mamble. It was a spooky place, lots of things happened there. Cheers Maggs > Message date : May 03 2005, 10:12 AM > From : "Ian Preece" > To : ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Copy to : > Subject : Re: [WOR] Mamble, Bayton > Georgina, > > I have the 1851 census for Shropshire, have checked through Mamble and > Bayton and cannot see Elizabeth, but did find the household of William and > Isabella, which I sending through off-list. > > Best wishes > > Ian Preece > PREECE FAMILY HISTORY & ONE NAME STUDY > Now over 100,000 entries - but have you sent me YOURS yet..... > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 02/05/2005 > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > > > -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

Hi Alison just looked at 1861 image, it read Morton Underile Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree is at http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/mjfisher ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Bryan" <alison.bryan@gmail.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: [WOR] Morton upon Swale (Nutting) > Does anyone know if Morton upon Swale exists / existed in Worcs? > >>From the 1861 census, my ggg grandfather, William Nutting, is down as > being born in Morton upon Swale, Worcs. Census details here: > > http://www.alisonbryan.com/notes/archives/000377.html > > Yet Google, Multimap et al only points me to Morton on Swale in North > Yorks. > > Help! > > Many thanks, Alison > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Hi Alison in the 1871 census Fringe Green,Stoke Prior I think he give his place of birth as Morton Underhill with wife Alice born Naunton and daughter Alice born Bromsgrove. Mike Fisher School Photos http://billesley.blogspot.com/ Contact on billesley@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Bryan" <alison.bryan@gmail.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: [WOR] Morton upon Swale (Nutting) > Does anyone know if Morton upon Swale exists / existed in Worcs? > >>From the 1861 census, my ggg grandfather, William Nutting, is down as > being born in Morton upon Swale, Worcs. Census details here: > > http://www.alisonbryan.com/notes/archives/000377.html > > Yet Google, Multimap et al only points me to Morton on Swale in North > Yorks. > > Help! > > Many thanks, Alison > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Thanks to John and Ruth for finding Emma Mugg and finding an error for me. Jabez is still missing but now I know where Emma was and I have a better age for her, which ties in to her age in 1881. Thanks Jenn

> Does anyone know if Morton upon Swale exists / existed in Worcs? Hi Alison There isn't a Morton upon Swale in Worcs on the Old Maps site. However there is a MORTON BAGOT on Genuki. There is also a possibility of a mistranscrioption - other possibilities from Genuki could be MARSTON or MATHON. Or a very long shot could be that he was actually born in Morton Upon Swale and totally confused the enumerator who thought he meant Morton Bagot! Have you managed to find him on any other census details, was he still alive in 1871? Hope this helps and doesn't confuse more :-) Regards Liz

Hi I am new to this list. My research has just moved into this area. My GGGrandfather was Benjamin BATEMAN baptized 19 Oct 1823 at St John Bedwardine. Parents were William BATEMAN b abt 1795 buried 1 Dec 1826 married 24 Dec 1822 at St John Bedwardine to Sarah GIBBS b abt 1801 buried 12 Apr 1825 at St John Bedwardine. When Benjamin was born Williams occupation was given as Glover living at (Nr)?? Pitmaston Any body on the list researching these names? I would also be grateful for any back ground information on the area especially at this time and the church. Also where do I look for wills? Sorry for all the Qs. regards Sharon in NZ

Would any lister have the images on CD for Worcestershire/Staffordshire and be able to look at something for me please? The following family appears in the Worcestershire index for 1851 :- Kingswinford HO107/2036/346 Moor Lane Samuel Dorricourt H 37 Hannah Dorricourt W 38 William Dorricourt S 12 [and various other Dorricourt children] Hannah Dorricourt married Samuel Derricott in Bayton, WOR in 1844, and at that time she had a son called William, which I think is the son named above. My question is simply is he actually called Dorricourt on the census or is he in fact Preece? Thanks in advance. Ian Preece PREECE FAMILY HISTORY & ONE NAME STUDY www.preece67.fsnet.co.uk Now over 100,000 entries, but still want more...... -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.3 - Release Date: 03/05/2005

Can sks advise of the significance of an alias on a baptism record? The entry appears on consecutive records with a change of name on subsequent entries. The entries are recorded in the Parish Register a: Elizabeth daughter of John and Mary Grove (superscript; alias Perry) was baptised December the first 1751. The superscript may have been added later John son of John and Mary Grove alias Perry was baptised the twenty second day of February 1756 William son of John and Mary Perry was baptised this twenty sixth day of November 1758. All subsequent children were recorded as per the entry for William Regards Bob Millman Strathpine Qld

I am looking for an elusive couple in 1861. Jabez Loat, not living with his family and I can't find him in the index. B. abt 1835 in Bromsgrove and his wife to be Emma Mugg b. 1845 in Bromsgrove. Her father is William. They ended up getting married in 1864. Jabez ends up in jail eventually. Is anyone else researching one of these families? Thanks Jenn