Hello Jim, Er - would you believe "St Swithins Street" for the church - and the "Parish of St Swithins" for the locality? In rather more serious and useful detail, the church comprises the Eastern end of the Southern side of St Swithins Street - which forms its North wall. Its South wall is the Eastern end of the Northern side of Church Street. Its East wall 'fills the gap' between St Swithins Strret and Church Street. St Swithins Street runs East from the Southern end of The Cross ('The Centre of Worcester') while its Westward projection, Broad Street, runs straight to the Severn Bridge. Its Eastward projection is Mealcheapen Street. Does this give enough information? If needed I could send you off-list a bitmap image based on a map of 1835. Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Windsor <mainrd@clear.net.nz> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 4:31 AM Subject: [WOR] St Swithun's - locality > Hullo, > Trying to find the street/locality where St Swithun's church stands. This > info is invaluable when studying 1841 Census. Many thanks, > > Also, my thanks to members of this list who gave me kind assistance on > parish records, etc. > > Best regards, > Jim Windsor, NZ > Seeking Cornish descendants. > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Hello Susan, You'd seem to've got the date of 1844s Easter Sunday already without having to look in the 'Odd' pages of an old Church of England Prayer Book - April 7 it was... As for Where - that's another story. Albany Terrace was within the Township of The Tything of Whistones - a subdivision of Claines Parish - so if his parents followed the Official Rules (but not many did) then Claines is your place. EXCEPT... The *nearest* place licensed for CofE Baptisms was St Oswalds Hospital (*not* the sort of hospital we have today - it was an almshouse) followed by St George's Chapel (whose registers were in any case combined with Claines until c.1862). And there were all the other CofE churches within the City listed by Liz, one of which might have had a Parson the parents happened to like. But if they *weren't* CofE then the field is fairly open - and not all of their registers have survived :-( HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: trevor hackett <trevor.hackett@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: [WOR] Baptism - Easter Sunday 1844 > My gt grandfather - John HOLDEN was born 1st February 1844 in Albany Terrace, Worcester and in a book he wrote he stated that he was baptised on the Easter Sunday of that year. > > Could sks please tell me where I would find a calendar that would give me the date of Easter Sunday in 1844 and also what possible parishes would he have been baptised in? > > Many thanks, > Susan > > > > > Susan Hackett > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Can anyone tell me what Parish I should look under on the 1841 CD for York Place, Worcester. Better still is there a map of parishes, enumeration districts etc? Trying to track down addresses on 1841 CDs is very trying. Roger -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10/05/2005

Hi Andy, Head: SEFTON, John Neighbors 272930 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace John SEFTON Head M 27 M Grocer & Tea Dealer Cawood-YKS Caroline SEFTON Wife M 30 F --- Horsham-SUS Oswald F. BUNWELL Asst U 17 M Assistant (Grocers) ----NK Edwin G. GUTTERIDGE Appr U 16 M Apprentice Grocer Buckingham-BUK Mary Ann MOORE Serv U 21 F General Serv Elchester-SOM Address: 127 Gt Hampton St, Birmingham Census Place: Birmingham Birmingham, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2059 Folio: 6 Page: 4 FHL Film: 0332122 Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Sefton" <andy.sefton@dsl.pipex.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 5:20 AM Subject: [WOR] Gt. Hampton Street, Birmingham > Can anyone be kind enough to please do a luckup of the 1851 Census for a > John Sefton, Grocer, in Gt. Hampton street, Birmingham. > > Thanks in eager anticipation! > > Andy Sefton > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 5/6/2005 > >

According to GenUKI, Easter Sunday 1844 in Great Britain was on April 7th. The Eastern Churches (Orthodox) celebrate Easter on a different date so beware of international websites! Vivien

Liz, Would that link be calendarhome.com? Another useful (but unfortunately American) link for Easter is http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/easter.html. Rob > Hi Susan > > Easter Sunday in 1844 was on April 7th. see www.calenderhome.com > > Your other query will take a bit longer but I will try and find out for > you. > > best wishes > Liz > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.4 - Release Date: 04/05/2005

Hi Trevor Easter Sunday 1844 was 28th March,found in google search. Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "trevor hackett" <trevor.hackett@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: [WOR] Baptism - Easter Sunday 1844 > My gt grandfather - John HOLDEN was born 1st February 1844 in Albany Terrace, Worcester and in a book he wrote he stated that he was baptised on the Easter Sunday of that year. > > Could sks please tell me where I would find a calendar that would give me the date of Easter Sunday in 1844 and also what possible parishes would he have been baptised in? > > Many thanks, > Susan > > > > > Susan Hackett > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Thanks so much Liz, you've certainly given me plenty to go on. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "lizstilwell" <lizstilwell@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] Baptism - Easter Sunday 1844 > Hi Susan > > Back again hopefully with some useful information for you regarding possible > parish churches for Albany Terrace in 1844. > > Looking on multimap Albany Terrace is about 1 mile to the north-west of the > cathedral. > > These are the parishes of Worcester city (from Genuki) > > All Saints > a.. Cathedral > a.. St Alban > a.. St Andrew > a.. St Clement > a.. St Helen > a.. St John Bedwardine > a.. St Martin > a.. St Michael > a.. St Nicholas > a.. St Oswald's Hospital > a.. St Peter the Great > a.. St Swithin > > > This link : http://freespace.virgin.net/david.beacham/wbells.index.html has > a map which shows the parish churches of Worcester on a map of 1651 > and I would suggest from this that the most likely parish church for his > baptism would be St Alban's. However it could also have been St Andrew's, St > Michaels or even the Cathedral itself. > > I hope this gives you something to go on > best wishes > Liz > > > > >

Hi Susan Back again hopefully with some useful information for you regarding possible parish churches for Albany Terrace in 1844. Looking on multimap Albany Terrace is about 1 mile to the north-west of the cathedral. These are the parishes of Worcester city (from Genuki) All Saints a.. Cathedral a.. St Alban a.. St Andrew a.. St Clement a.. St Helen a.. St John Bedwardine a.. St Martin a.. St Michael a.. St Nicholas a.. St Oswald's Hospital a.. St Peter the Great a.. St Swithin This link : http://freespace.virgin.net/david.beacham/wbells.index.html has a map which shows the parish churches of Worcester on a map of 1651 and I would suggest from this that the most likely parish church for his baptism would be St Alban's. However it could also have been St Andrew's, St Michaels or even the Cathedral itself. I hope this gives you something to go on best wishes Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "trevor hackett" <trevor.hackett@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: [WOR] Baptism - Easter Sunday 1844 > My gt grandfather - John HOLDEN was born 1st February 1844 in Albany Terrace, Worcester and in a book he wrote he stated that he was baptised on the Easter Sunday of that year. > > Could sks please tell me where I would find a calendar that would give me the date of Easter Sunday in 1844 and also what possible parishes would he have been baptised in? > > Many thanks, > Susan > > > > > Susan Hackett > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Hello David, Many thanks for that information. It looks more convenient to use the park-and-ride than get caught up in one-way streets, looking for a carpark. Kind regards Joan

Thanks to Liz and Denise for their prompt replies. Susan Hackett

Hi Susan Easter Sunday in 1844 was on April 7th. see www.calenderhome.com Your other query will take a bit longer but I will try and find out for you. best wishes Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "trevor hackett" <trevor.hackett@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: [WOR] Baptism - Easter Sunday 1844 > My gt grandfather - John HOLDEN was born 1st February 1844 in Albany Terrace, Worcester and in a book he wrote he stated that he was baptised on the Easter Sunday of that year. > > Could sks please tell me where I would find a calendar that would give me the date of Easter Sunday in 1844 and also what possible parishes would he have been baptised in? > > Many thanks, > Susan > > > > > Susan Hackett > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Thanks for that link Richard - there is also useful information on there regarding the definition of a scholar with regards to the census returns.. Liz

My gt grandfather - John HOLDEN was born 1st February 1844 in Albany Terrace, Worcester and in a book he wrote he stated that he was baptised on the Easter Sunday of that year. Could sks please tell me where I would find a calendar that would give me the date of Easter Sunday in 1844 and also what possible parishes would he have been baptised in? Many thanks, Susan Susan Hackett

Census definitions for idiot etc can be found here http://www.gendocs.demon.co.uk/abbrcen.html regards Richard

I agree - I have seen children described as scholar at improbably young ages, and others who may have literally 'gone to school' but who never learned to sign their names. But it might depend what date we are dealing with - I'm afraid I have lost track of this! I would expect 'scholar' to mean something more serious in 1891 than it did in 1851, say. Emily In message <001501c55528$a71f8240$83154e51@pete06y2btujhk> "Pete Lamberg" <linpete@lamberg25.fsnet.co.uk> writes: > Hi Jenn, just a thought to add to the debate. Weren't most children > described as Scholar's whether they attended School or not? The description > does seem uniformly used to describe the status of a child, probably to keep > the authorities at bay. > > Best Wishes from Linda. > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Hello Carol, The 1901 census (Ancestry) has a Frances RAWLINGS working as 'Housemaid Domestic' in Aldridge, Staffordshire. She's 20, born Leamington. Also an Isabel RANKINS (looks like RAWLINS to me) working as 'Housemaid Domestic' in Leamington Priors. She's 22, born Leamington. Let me know if you would like further information on these records. Best regards, John Kane Sapcote, Leics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol and Frank" <ckennedy@berkshire.net> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: [WOR] Any Suggestions Please? > Hello from Massachsuetts, > > Frances Margaret Rawlins was born 1880 in Leamington Spa. > and her sister Isabel Rawlins was born 1879 in Leamington Spa. > > After their father died, their mother remarried the boys were kept at home > and the two girls were sent to: > 1891 Census > County: Worcestershire > Civil Parish: Belbroughton > Eccl. Parish: St. Leonard's > Reg. Dist: Bromsgrove > Sub-Reg. Dist: Belbroughton > > Address: Home for Waifs & Strays > (*18 girls between the ages of 4 and 15 at this home) SMITH, Emily; > matron; S; 28; matron of childrens' home; born: Worcestershire, Halesowen > RAWLINS, Isabel; 11; scholar; born: Warwickshire, Leamington > RAWLINS, Frances M.; 10; scholar; born: Warwickshire, Leamington > > I cannot locate them after this date................I would dearly like to > know what happened to these relatives. Any Suggestions? > > Regards, > Carol -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 06/05/2005

Thank you, I will work on what you wrote. I do have access to ancestry, but missed those.................... I subscribed to the Digest form and got the L type. So, I just unsubscribed and subscribed again to the Digest form. Hope it works this time. Great, it worked-a Digest form just popped into my email. :) Where do you write for birth, death and marriage cert's in Worcester? Is there an email address for them? Thank You, Carol

Does anyone have any Green family members in the above areas? I have a Jane Green, d/o Thomas Green and Elizabeth Bradley, born 1 June 1788 in Crowle. Jane married Francis Surman of Upton Snodsbury on 10 April 1810 in Upton Snodsbury. Hope to make a connection. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Jacquie, Many thanks for answering my query. I have had a look at the Worcestershire Library & History Centre's website and note that there is no parking available there. Unfortunately, the link to the City Council's site for information on parking did not work. Are you familiar with the Centre ? If so, can you please tell me which is the most convenient carpark for long stay or does the city have a park-and-ride scheme ? Kind regards Joan