Hi Jean, when he is liveing at home,dose it say he is married or unmarried,I have had instances where one partner was away working,so not on the census for that night. joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: <jean.kitchin@tesco.net> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: [WOR] Any ideas please? > Hi > > I'm really stuck! Can anyone come up with any suggestions on what I may be able to do? > > I am trying to trace the father and siblings of Joseph Grainger born abt 1825, Dudley. He married Rosannah Heath in 1849 in Tipton, he was a miner and on the marriage certificate his father is Joseph who was a nailor. I thought I had found the family by matching back from the 1861 to the 1851 and 1841 census. I though it looked like his mother was Susannah and he had brothers Daniel and William. This seemed to fit because on one of the later censuses there is a Daniel living next door. However, I then realised that if he married in 1847 he would not be living at home on 1851 census without wife Rosannah. I'm really stuck because there are about 3 joseph grainger's born abt 1825 in and around Dudley. > > There are several on family search but again I can't think of any way to differenciate between them. > > Any ideas please? > > Many thanks > > Jean > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Hi I'm really stuck! Can anyone come up with any suggestions on what I may be able to do? I am trying to trace the father and siblings of Joseph Grainger born abt 1825, Dudley. He married Rosannah Heath in 1849 in Tipton, he was a miner and on the marriage certificate his father is Joseph who was a nailor. I thought I had found the family by matching back from the 1861 to the 1851 and 1841 census. I though it looked like his mother was Susannah and he had brothers Daniel and William. This seemed to fit because on one of the later censuses there is a Daniel living next door. However, I then realised that if he married in 1847 he would not be living at home on 1851 census without wife Rosannah. I'm really stuck because there are about 3 joseph grainger's born abt 1825 in and around Dudley. There are several on family search but again I can't think of any way to differenciate between them. Any ideas please? Many thanks Jean

Hi Carol In the 1861 census they are in Kenn,SOMerset close to the M5 jctn 20 15km west of Bristol Mike Fisher School Photos http://billesley.blogspot.com/ Contact on billesley@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol and Frank" <ckennedy@berkshire.net> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:49 PM Subject: [WOR] Question > > Good Morning, > I'm not sure this is the correct site to put this query on, but here goes: > > I just found a site on the internet > http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:3LWgGjQYAKkJ:www.rootsweb.com/~cotswold/Villages61.htm+Rawlings+or+Rawlins,++Staffordshire&hl=en > > and found this: > > > > Rawlins Richard 33 Kenn Street Head M 48 - Agricultural Labourer Kenn > > Rawlins Eliza 33 Kenn Street Wife M - 47 - Kenn > > Rawlins Richard 33 Kenn Street Son S 16 - Agricultural Labourer Kenn > > Rawlins Harriet 33 Kenn Street Daughter S - 14 House Servant Kenn > > Rawlins Elizabeth 33 Kenn Street Daughter S - 10 Scholar Kenn > > Rawlins Henry 33 Kenn Street Son S 6 - Scholar Kenn > > Rawlins Eliza 33 Kenn Street Daughter S - 4 Scholar Kenn > > What confuses me is after the Occupation===================such as: > Agricultural Labourer Kenn > or after any of these names -it has Kenn > > What does the Kenn stand for? Kenn Street or Kenilworth? > > Thank you for your help. > Carol > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Hello again from Massachusetts, I have two more mysteries. And I found a Thomas Rawlins -age 32, born 1829 in the 1861 Census as a Groom for Ben Green living in Yardley born in Meyden (clearly meriden on the Census). And a Thomas Rawlins born 1846 -in the 1871 census living in Bordsley, Aston/St. Andrews district-ancestry has him listed as being born in Marden-the census itself shows Meriden. I don't have them in my Family Tree and haven't found them in an earlier census....not yet anyway. Any suggestions.........I'm sure you'll say-"Keep Looking". And I will. Still looking for a Thomas Lee, Clerk in Civil Service who had a daughter Isabella Lee born approx 1842........somewhere in England. :( He was one of my GG Grandfathers. Isabella lived in Merdin when she married.........It doesn't mean she was born there-learned that from experience. Thanks Friends, I do appreciate your help and Suggestions. Especially to John who found Isabela Rawlins.............very mispelled.........I'm so impressed that he figured that one out. Carol

David From Transcriptions of P R's of Old Swinford , ( Pub. By BMSGH ) No further detail ref. parents names 1730 - Sept. 12th William son of Thomas POBJAY and Mary his wife! 1731 Sept 28th Mary dau of " " " " hth Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: David Smart [mailto:david.smart@one-name.org] Sent: Friday, 13 May 2005 5:10 a.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] Old Swinford The recent mentions on the list reminded me that there are two baptisms for children of Thomas & Mary POBJAY at Old Swinford in the IGI in 1730 and 1731. I assume Thomas comes from Frome, where most POBJOY genealogical roads lead, and he may have been a card maker. Can anyone tell me if this was an important wool area at the time? The only other local event I have from that period is the marriage of John POPJOY of Frome to Arabella PEARSON at Quatford, Salop, in 1736. David Smart London, England Pobjoy website at www.pobjoy.org.uk Frome website at www.fromeresearch.org.uk ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== For Worcestershire information see http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WOR/ UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

Good Morning, I'm not sure this is the correct site to put this query on, but here goes: I just found a site on the internet http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:3LWgGjQYAKkJ:www.rootsweb.com/~cotswold/Villages61.htm+Rawlings+or+Rawlins,++Staffordshire&hl=en and found this: Rawlins Richard 33 Kenn Street Head M 48 - Agricultural Labourer Kenn Rawlins Eliza 33 Kenn Street Wife M - 47 - Kenn Rawlins Richard 33 Kenn Street Son S 16 - Agricultural Labourer Kenn Rawlins Harriet 33 Kenn Street Daughter S - 14 House Servant Kenn Rawlins Elizabeth 33 Kenn Street Daughter S - 10 Scholar Kenn Rawlins Henry 33 Kenn Street Son S 6 - Scholar Kenn Rawlins Eliza 33 Kenn Street Daughter S - 4 Scholar Kenn What confuses me is after the Occupation===================such as: Agricultural Labourer Kenn or after any of these names -it has Kenn What does the Kenn stand for? Kenn Street or Kenilworth? Thank you for your help. Carol

Dear Gus, Liz, Mike and everyone else Sorry for my late reply here, but thank you for everyone who has responded to my query and taking the time to do so. I do appreciate it, and glad of a list such as this one. At least it did not send me on a wild goose chase to North Yorks. Mike, thanks for the transcription re 1861 census - shows commercial sites have their limitations. Interestingly, Alice's place of birth is given as Nairn. The only Nairn I'm able to locate is the one a few miles from Inverness. Does such a place exist in Worcs, before I attempt to track down an 1861 image? Alison http://www.alisonbryan.com/notes

Friends I have mislaid my fiche of M I's for above. Hopefully someone else has a copy. As I have the resource listed on WOR Look Up Exchange. Looking for M I for Agnes WATKINS c1920. Her husband Thomas and 4 sons - have been located , by not Agnes. tia Helen New Zealand

The recent mentions on the list reminded me that there are two baptisms for children of Thomas & Mary POBJAY at Old Swinford in the IGI in 1730 and 1731. I assume Thomas comes from Frome, where most POBJOY genealogical roads lead, and he may have been a card maker. Can anyone tell me if this was an important wool area at the time? The only other local event I have from that period is the marriage of John POPJOY of Frome to Arabella PEARSON at Quatford, Salop, in 1736. David Smart London, England Pobjoy website at www.pobjoy.org.uk Frome website at www.fromeresearch.org.uk

A site which I have found useful for determining the date of religious festivals, the days of the week of actual dates etc. is http://www.albion.edu/english/calendar Best wishes from Sydney, Oz Keith Houghton

Cathy Here is a link to the Amblecote History Society site. Lots of history and information http://www.amblecote.org/Home/Home.htm regards Bob Strathpine Qld

Amblecote is a Difficult One... Ecclesiastically it was a hamlet of Old Swinford (except that *it* was in Staffordshire, while all the rest was in Worcestershire) until 1845 when it became a separate Ecclesiastical Parish in its own right (and which included Wollaston, in Worcestershire). Its church was Holy Trinity (Licensed in 1842; Consecrated in 1844) according to the 1851 Census of Religious Worship This would be the church of 'your' marriage. The parish was split in 1860, when Wollaston St James was founded. As for the rest of Old Swinford, that was further subdivided by 1881, leaving: Old Swinford St Mary - the original 'mother' church 1839 - Lye Christ Church 1861 - Stourbridge St John the Evangelist 1866 - Stourbridge St Thomas 1873 - Stamber Mill St Mark Civilly it was a part of Oldswinford (note the different spelling) but was transferred to Worcestershire from Staffordshire as recently as 1966, only to disappear into the Unlamented "County of West Midlands" in 1973. Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: cathy miller <geniemom_cathymiller@yahoo.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 2:58 AM Subject: [WOR] Amblecote in parish of Old Swinford? > Help, just received a copy of a marriage from the GRO. It says that the marriage was solemnized at Amblecote in the Parish of Old Swinford in the counties of Stafford & Worc. I've been searching for more information on this parish. Is it correct to presume that Old Swinford would have been the larger town with the church and that it is now called Stourbridge? Oh, btw, the marriage was in 1857 if this helps for a time frame. Now I have located something else to confuse me, Is the parish church for Amblecote St.Mary's, St. Thomas or Holy Trinity? I'm really getting confused and could use some tutoring please. >

Thanks so much for everyones help on this one. Susan Hackett

Old Swindsford is on one side of Stourbridge and Amblecote on the other. Old Swinford is the ancient parish and the other two are more modern, I don't have the exact dates to hand but they were both created in the mid 1800's. As for names, Old Swinford is St Marys, Holy Trinity is at Amblecote and St Thomas is in the centre of Stourbridge. Regards Jean www.mypleasureisland.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: cathy miller [mailto:geniemom_cathymiller@yahoo.com] > Sent: 12 May 2005 02:59 > To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WOR] Amblecote in parish of Old Swinford? > > > Help, just received a copy of a marriage from the GRO. It > says that the marriage was solemnized at Amblecote in the > Parish of Old Swinford in the counties of Stafford & Worc. > I've been searching for more information on this parish. Is > it correct to presume that Old Swinford would have been the > larger town with the church and that it is now called > Stourbridge? Oh, btw, the marriage was in 1857 if this helps > for a time frame. Now I have located something else to > confuse me, Is the parish church for Amblecote St.Mary's, St. > Thomas or Holy Trinity? I'm really getting confused and > could use some tutoring please. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >

Help, just received a copy of a marriage from the GRO. It says that the marriage was solemnized at Amblecote in the Parish of Old Swinford in the counties of Stafford & Worc. I've been searching for more information on this parish. Is it correct to presume that Old Swinford would have been the larger town with the church and that it is now called Stourbridge? Oh, btw, the marriage was in 1857 if this helps for a time frame. Now I have located something else to confuse me, Is the parish church for Amblecote St.Mary's, St. Thomas or Holy Trinity? I'm really getting confused and could use some tutoring please. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!

Can the list advise me please? I am looking for Redland but can't find it on my map. My Gt x2 Grandmother is quoted as being from Redland, Worcs on the 1851 Census. She was Maria DOUGLAS and her father was William DOUGLAS. Her age was not quoted when she married George BARBER IN 1850 in Droitwich. I would love to find her and her family and would love to hear from anyone who can help. Thank you Elaine McLean

Hullo, Trying to find the street/locality where St Swithun's church stands. This info is invaluable when studying 1841 Census. Many thanks, Also, my thanks to members of this list who gave me kind assistance on parish records, etc. Best regards, Jim Windsor, NZ Seeking Cornish descendants.

Can anyone be kind enough to please do a luckup of the 1851 Census for a John Sefton, Grocer, in Gt. Hampton street, Birmingham. Thanks in eager anticipation! Andy Sefton

Roger York Place is in the Tything of Whitstones, I have family living in York Place in 1841, their reference is - Tything of Whistones, Piece 1209, section 5A, folio 10, pp 13 & 14 3rd House - Sarah NASH Head !! hth Helen Lower Hutt New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Roger [mailto:rogerj@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 11 May 2005 7:06 a.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] 1841 Census- not a lookup Can anyone tell me what Parish I should look under on the 1841 CD for York Place, Worcester. Better still is there a map of parishes, enumeration districts etc? Trying to track down addresses on 1841 CDs is very trying. Roger -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10/05/2005 ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

Many apologies to the list for the incorrect web address for the calender site. It should of course be www.calandarhome.com I don't think I'll ever get the hang of American English! :-) Liz