Hi all, I'm searching for info on an ancestor Harriet GOODYEAR born abt 1848. In the 1851 census she is 3 yrs old, living with mother Elizabeth GOODYEAR (my g-g-grandmother) in Grimley WOR. After that I cannot find Harriet or Elizabeth. On the 1861 census index with Ancestry there is a Harriet GOODYEAR, born 1845 in Herefordshire, living in Worcestershire that looks interesting. Does anyone have access to the 1861 census that could give me particulars please? I'm hoping if I find Harriet I'll find Elizabeth..... Please note my new email address. Thanks very much, Sincerely, Evelyn Seeburger seeburger@hsfx.ca

I wonder if someone with access to the 1851 or 1841 census would be good enough to look in the Feckenham or Ipsley areas for Sophia Sarsons born 1797 in Tardebigg. Her husband was Samuel Sarsons. Samuel died, I believe, about 1845. chn of Sophia and Samuel are: Thomas b 1824 Selina b 1826 b Feckenham Mary Sophia b 1828 Caroline b 1829 Eliza b 1831 Joseph b 1839 Feckenham Harriet b 1841 Ipsley Sophia is is found in the 1861 census at 162 Headless Cross as Sophia Joiner in the civil parish of Ipsley Ecc. parish St. Luke reg. dist. Alcester sub reg. dist. Studley. Thanks for any help. Sue

Hi all Please could anyone with the 1851 census for Dudley check if I have some missing? I am having difficulty tieing it up with my ancestors identified on the 1861 census. In the 1861 census they were residing in the Dudley, St Andrews Enumeration District 42. This included St John's Street, Griffiths Buildings, New Steet, Church Street and Church Road. I can't find any of these on the 1851 census. Enumeration District 41 (1861 census) links up with Parts 5/3 and 5/4 of the 1851 census. Enumeration District 43 (1861 census) then seems to tie up with Part 5/5. On the CD I have Part 5 consists of Part 1 - 5 then 6a, 6b,6c, 7a, 7b, 8 and 9. It could just be that 42 was a new area by 1861 but I thought it was worth asking. Any help appreciated Many thanks Jean

Hello All Parishmouse site has been updated today as follows: 1. Broughton Hackett added - includes external and internal views and photos of gravestones and memorials which will be searchable by name once the index has been updated. 2. Earls Croome has been added 3. Stock Green Baptist Chapel has been added The following will be added to the existing parishes as I get time: Update to Bradley - Gravestones photographed; Hill Croome; Hindlip; Bromsgrove - St Johns, Kempsey; Churchill; White Ladies Aston; Dodford - photographs have been taken and will be uploaded soon! I may put up just the churches for the above parishes first with the memorials etc to follow as it will take me quite a time to add all the descriptions. St Johns, Bromsgrove already has over 200 gravestones to add descriptions to with more to be photographed! So just the photos of the churches may go up over the next few days. I will send an update as and when they do. The address is www.parishmouse.co.uk All the best Sally

Hi Listers This probably sounds naïve, but believe me, it's a real problem. One set of my GGP came from WOR, Thomas STOKES and Lucy WOODWARD, who married in Upper Howsell in 1870. They each had a STOKES as a parent. Thomas's parents were Charles STOKES and Ann NOTT, m St Edburga, Leigh, in 1847. Lucy's were William WOODWARD and Ann STOKES, also m in Leigh, 1846. Charles and Ann STOKES are not related, as far as I can tell. To make things worse, William's mother was Mary STOKES, who is unrelated to either of them. It seems that severe deafness ran in Mary's family, affecting at least her brother and one of her sons. I now find that Ann STOKES, (father John) had a mother Ann [EVANS], whose parents were John EVANS and Elizabeth . . . STOKES! It's the recording which is getting to me, kind listers. One name is tough enough to organise. How do I distinguish between files on these four unrelated lines of STOKES - bearing in mind that at some stage, two or more might happen to link up. If anyone has had this problem, or has bright ideas about dealing with it, please let me know. Kind regards Joy also looking into LINTON, STEPHENS, LAURENCE, GARRET (Leigh/Bransford, Kempsey) and HARRIS, WARD, YARNOLD (Peopleton, Pensax, Halesowen)

Hi Pam, If you send me your address off list I will post it to you. Best wishes Margaret timothy hinks wrote: > Hi Margaret > > If nobody contacts you regarding Sarah Parry, perhaps you would let me > have it. > I run www.worcesterpeopleandplaces.com and I have started to collect > unwanted certificates and other documents to eventually add a section > to my website, for all to read each certificate etc. > I look forward to hearing from you. > Kindest Regards > Pam Hinks > ----- Original Message ----- From: "D&M Goodwin" > <famhist@thegoodwins.fastmail.fm> > To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 4:26 PM > Subject: [WOR] Unwanted cert. Sarah PARRY > > >> I have an unwanted death certificate for Sarah PARRY, died 10th Feb >> 1909 age 75 years. Widow of James PARRY Railway Foremen. >> Registration district Worcester. The address is 12 High Street, the >> rest is not clear. >> >> If anyone would like it please let me know and I will post it to you. >> >> Margaret. >> >> >> ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== >> Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG >> for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com >> UK Census on-line >> http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ >> http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ >> >> >> > >

I have an unwanted death certificate for Sarah PARRY, died 10th Feb 1909 age 75 years. Widow of James PARRY Railway Foremen. Registration district Worcester. The address is 12 High Street, the rest is not clear. If anyone would like it please let me know and I will post it to you. Margaret.

Hello All Parishmouse site has been updated today as follows 1. St Mary's Chapel, Lower Bentley near Stoke Prior, Worcestershire 2. Warndon, St Nicholas in Worcestershire has been added 3. A message board has been added to the site so requests for help for surnames, occupations and of course places and census queries. There are also forums for software help and general enquiries. You can also post requests for parishes to be photographed so that I know where I should be going! It has only been put up today so I am the only member at the moment and it is getting pretty lonely!! What we need are some pioneering soles to start the whole thing off :)) I hope to get a few more parishes up in the next few days but the weather has been so good I have been out with the camera. The following will be added to the existing parishes as I get time: Stock Green Baptist Chapel; Update to Bradley - Gravestones photographed; Broughton Hackett; Hill Croome; Earls Croome; Hindlip; Bromsgrove - St Johns, Kempsey; Churchill; White Ladies Aston; Dodford - photographs have been taken and will be uploaded soon! The address is www.parishmouse.co.uk All the best Sally

Jean, If you have easy access to the censuses, track all the Joseph Graingers. Then you may be able to exclude the others, leaving yours behind. There is also another reason for doing this. There may in deed be a relationship between the many GRAINGERs, since sibling brothers may pass on their names to their own children and repeat through genearations. Therefore this technique may not be a waste of time. Are there many other GRAINGERs in the area, if not the likelyhood of this being the case increases? -- Mike Yegwart Bromsgrove Branch Chairman BMSGH bmsgh.org > <I'm really stuck! Can anyone come up with any suggestions on what I > may be able > <to do? > > <I am trying to trace the father and siblings of Joseph Grainger born > abt 1825, > <Dudley. He married Rosannah Heath in 1849 in Tipton, he was a miner > and on the > <marriage certificate his father is Joseph who was a nailor. I thought > I had > <found the family by matching back from the 1861 to the 1851 and 1841 > census. I > <though it looked like his mother was Susannah and he had brothers > Daniel and > <William. This seemed to fit because on one of the later censuses > there is a > <Daniel living next door. However, I then realised that if he married > in 1847 he > <would not be living at home on 1851 census without wife Rosannah. I'm > really > <stuck because there are about 3 joseph grainger's born abt 1825 in > and around > <Dudley. > > <There are several on family search but again I can't think of any way to > differenciate between them. > > > Hi Jean, > Have you thought about searching for wills, as a last resort I always > look to see what I can find and they either will help link or > eliminate people. I have searched nearly all WYER wills I could find > and it helped me piece all my family together. > If you want to have a look this is the address for searching the > National Archives: > > http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ > > just use the quick search and the advanced search on the left hand side. > This will was on the National Archives site: > > Will of Daniel Grainger of Rowley Regis , Staffordshire 22 August 1848 > PROB 11/2079 > > He may be not related and there are a few more in neighbouring areas > but at £3.50 to download it's worth looking if you really want to try > to go further, always remember to try different spellings though. > > All the best > Lynn Paterson > researching: WYER all areas > > ______________________________

Ally, Re: drawer's lad Something to do with the carpet industry, there were lots in Kidderminster. Sorry I only have the transcription. Vivien

Hi Jill, I grew up in that area, although it is gosh over 30 years since I moved away, I am still very much in touch, as my paternal Ancestors are from Lutley. Lutley is part of Hayley Green as is Walsall Grove. You have Hagley at one end on the main road into Kidderminster, then coming north east you come into Hayley Green, Hasbury and then into Halesowen town. Walsall Grove and Lutley in 1891 were farming communities, today they are housing estates. I don't know The Crescent, but I would think it was a residential home, could it have been the home of a relation, a sister or someone? Poor Elizabeth, her death sounded awful. My Hayley Green interests are Willetts, Holloway, Lee and Coley if you have any connections. Best Wishes from Linda.

Hello Would it be possible for someone with the 1851 census, piece no. 2039 to send me the original census image for 45 Foundry St, Lower Mitton. I'm sorry I don't have the folio number. William & Ann CLARK and family live there (Edward 11, Thomas 9, William 7, Ann 2 and Selina 7months) with nephew William BISHOP, a drawer's lad. And does anyone know what a drawer's lad did?? Many thanks. Ally

Could someone who has access to the 1841 census look for Edward WATTIS, c 29 July 1804, Bromsgrove Thank you Colin, Canada

Hello Jill, It certainly wasn't unknown for abdominal operations to be cerried out in a patient's home as late as the early 1920s. One of my uncles had his appendix removed at his parents' house when he was around 11 (c.1924) - as I learned from my father when I was recovering from a similar operation (in hospital!) at about the same age. My grandparents still lived in the same house, and both Grandad and Dad had no little pleasure in showing me the room - a little box-room over the front door - and telling me what they'd had to do by way of pre-disinfecting etc. Needless to say, this gory-minded little boy thoroughly enjoyed the whole story. My then "baby brother" had an operation on his ear at home in the Spring of 1948 (just before the NHS was instituted) - but as I was away at school at the time I never found out what was involved :-( As for your Elizabeth DAVIS' unfortunate experience, it may well be worthwhile looking at a County Directory or a Voters' Register in case sufficient detail is in either to establish who was resident at 10 The Crescent at the time. (Although for a semi-rural area, neither may give street numbers.) Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: jill hartwright <jill@wyemist.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: [WOR] Hagley > Elizabeth Davis, aged 35, died in August, 1891. According to her death certificate her husband, who was present at the death lived in Walsall Grove, Hagley but Elizabeth died at 10 The Crescent, Hagley. The cause of death was, "cancer of the cervix of pregnant uterus about 2 years Torro's operation caesarean section, five and a half hours, shock and exhaustion. Certified by C Martin MB". > > As Elizabeth's place of death was not recorded as a hospital, would it have been a private residence, possibly of a relative or even the doctor - was this normal practice? Is anyone familiar with the area and would know where she is likely to have been buried? On the 1891 census the family was living in Lutley Lane in the village of Lutley. Any comments would be appreciated. > > Regards, > > Jill > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Elizabeth Davis, aged 35, died in August, 1891. According to her death certificate her husband, who was present at the death lived in Walsall Grove, Hagley but Elizabeth died at 10 The Crescent, Hagley. The cause of death was, "cancer of the cervix of pregnant uterus about 2 years Torro's operation caesarean section, five and a half hours, shock and exhaustion. Certified by C Martin MB". As Elizabeth's place of death was not recorded as a hospital, would it have been a private residence, possibly of a relative or even the doctor - was this normal practice? Is anyone familiar with the area and would know where she is likely to have been buried? On the 1891 census the family was living in Lutley Lane in the village of Lutley. Any comments would be appreciated. Regards, Jill

<I'm really stuck! Can anyone come up with any suggestions on what I may be able <to do? <I am trying to trace the father and siblings of Joseph Grainger born abt 1825, <Dudley. He married Rosannah Heath in 1849 in Tipton, he was a miner and on the <marriage certificate his father is Joseph who was a nailor. I thought I had <found the family by matching back from the 1861 to the 1851 and 1841 census. I <though it looked like his mother was Susannah and he had brothers Daniel and <William. This seemed to fit because on one of the later censuses there is a <Daniel living next door. However, I then realised that if he married in 1847 he <would not be living at home on 1851 census without wife Rosannah. I'm really <stuck because there are about 3 joseph grainger's born abt 1825 in and around <Dudley. <There are several on family search but again I can't think of any way to differenciate between them. Hi Jean, Have you thought about searching for wills, as a last resort I always look to see what I can find and they either will help link or eliminate people. I have searched nearly all WYER wills I could find and it helped me piece all my family together. If you want to have a look this is the address for searching the National Archives: http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ just use the quick search and the advanced search on the left hand side. This will was on the National Archives site: Will of Daniel Grainger of Rowley Regis , Staffordshire 22 August 1848 PROB 11/2079 He may be not related and there are a few more in neighbouring areas but at £3.50 to download it's worth looking if you really want to try to go further, always remember to try different spellings though. All the best Lynn Paterson researching: WYER all areas

Hello Julie, "This has to be them"... 1851 Census - HO107 - Piece 2032 Registration District - Dudley Registration Sub-District - Dudley Parish & Township - Dudley Folio 210; Household 29 - High Street Thomas MORRIS, Head, M, Ann MORRIS, Wife, M, 39, F, -, WOR, Dudley Frederic MORRIS, Son, -, 15, M, -, WOR, Dudley George MORRIS, Son, -, 11, M, -, WOR, Dudley Mary Ann MORRIS, Dau, -, 9, -, WOR, Dudley Ellen MORRIS, Dau, -, 8, -, WOR, Dudley Caroline TURNER, Svt, U, 17, F, House servant, WOR, Dudley Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Harrison <julie_kh@lineone.net> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: [WOR] 1851 census look up > I am searching for Frederick Morris born 1836 Dudley. > Parents Thomas Morris born 1811 Evesham -tailor > Ann Morris born 1812 Dudley > He should have a brother William born 1838 and sister Ellen born 1844. > > In 1861 the family, without Frederick, are living on High St Dudley. > > Any help much appreciated > > Thanks Julie > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > For Worcestershire information see > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WOR/ > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

I am searching for Frederick Morris born 1836 Dudley. Parents Thomas Morris born 1811 Evesham -tailor Ann Morris born 1812 Dudley He should have a brother William born 1838 and sister Ellen born 1844. In 1861 the family, without Frederick, are living on High St Dudley. Any help much appreciated Thanks Julie

Hello All In the last few days the Parishmouse site has been updated as follows 1. Site search facility has been added 2. Defford in Worcestershire has been added - 56 photos 3. Himbleton in Worcestershire has been added 4. Most of the photos now have descriptions added including the names inscribed on the various gravestones which of course can now be searched for using the site search facility. The following will be added to the existing parishes: St Mary's Chapel, Lower Bentley; Stock Green Baptist Chapel; Update to Bradley - Gravestones photographed; Broughton Hackett; Hill Croome; Earls Croome; Warndon; Hindlip; Bromsgrove - St Johns, Kempsey - photographs have been taken and will be uploaded soon! The address is www.parishmouse.co.uk Thank you to all of you who have sent me such wonderful comments about the site and the photos ... I am glad you are all enjoying the photos so much. All the best Sally

Hi Jean, another possibility is to concentrate on Rosannah,as you have the marriage certificate so look for Rosannah Grainger in 1851 and her age calculated from her marriage. Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: <jean.kitchin@tesco.net> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: [WOR] Any ideas please? > Hi > > I'm really stuck! Can anyone come up with any suggestions on what I may be able to do? > > I am trying to trace the father and siblings of Joseph Grainger born abt 1825, Dudley. He married Rosannah Heath in 1849 in Tipton, he was a miner and on the marriage certificate his father is Joseph who was a nailor. I thought I had found the family by matching back from the 1861 to the 1851 and 1841 census. I though it looked like his mother was Susannah and he had brothers Daniel and William. This seemed to fit because on one of the later censuses there is a Daniel living next door. However, I then realised that if he married in 1847 he would not be living at home on 1851 census without wife Rosannah. I'm really stuck because there are about 3 joseph grainger's born abt 1825 in and around Dudley. > > There are several on family search but again I can't think of any way to differenciate between them. > > Any ideas please? > > Many thanks > > Jean > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >