Hello Evelyn, Here they are - it looks like GOODYEAR to me... 1871 Census - Grimley Worcestershire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship William Goodgion abt 1773 Hallow Head, Labourer? Mary Goodgion abt 1792 Towne, Herefordshire, England Wife, Glass Maker Best regards, John Kane Sapcote, Leics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyn Seeburger" <seeburger@hsfx.ca> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: [WOR] William & Mary GOODYEAR > Hi all, > > I believe I'm making some progress on my GOODYEAR line. Right now I'm > checking a lead on my g-g-g-grandparents William & Mary GOODYEAR. Thanks > to information provided to me by Keith Price, I discovered there is a > burial entry for Grimley WOR as follows - William GOODYEAR buried 24 Sep > 1871, 89 yrs old, address World's End WOR. I had originally assumed that > William had died before 1871 because I couldn't find a William GOODYEAR > that fit my criteria on the 1871 census index at Ancestry.com. However I > reasoned that If William was buried in September, then he should be on the > 1871 census. Upon checking again for possible mistranscribed entries, I > found the following entries - > > William GOODQION, born abt 1773, born Worcestershire, living > Worcestershire > Mary GOODQION, born abt 1792, born Herefordshire, living Worcestershire > > Allowing for the obvious mistranscription errors, there is a good > possibility that these are my g-g-g-grandparents. Is there anyone who has > access to the 1871 census who could check out these entries please? > William and Mary are likely living in World's End WOR (Keith tells me this > is a hamlet near Grimley). I'm hoping they are living with or beside other > family members. > > Thanks, > > Evelyn > seeburger@hsfx.ca

Hello John, Bad News.... Of the 19 John PITTs listed, the nearest to one born in 1823 were 1809 and 1829. Of the 7 Hannah PITTs, the nearest were born 1811 and 1831 All four were in different parts of the county... Looking under PIT didn't help either. (The Index doesn't give birthplaces - it does give Occupations and where recorded in 1851.) Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: john pitt <johnwpitt@hotmail.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: [WOR] 1851 look up > Hi all, > I would be very grateful for some help looking for JOHN PITT married to > HANNAH, > in the 1851 census for Worcestershire, he would be about 28 years old and > born in > Kidderminster, she would be about 27 years old and born in Chester, Nova > Scotia. > many thanks > John Pitt > > _________________________________________________________________ > Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! > http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Hello Keith, The Entry Number (and Volume Number) on your Original Certificate will not be the same as that in the GRO Index - for the reference given there relates solely to the National Registers. A number of Local Offices now refuse to issue Certificates if you quote the GRO Reference Number to them - on the grounds that if you've got that from National, then let National Office have the trouble and expense of processing it, rather than it coming out of hard-pressed Local Funding :-) Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith N Houghton <houghtons@dodo.net.au> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: [WOR] Birth Certificates > I have read the correspondence by John Tysoe and Lin Watterson with some > interest. Thankfully, no-one has had to sort through my effects yet, but > I do have a birth certificate such as they describe. Mine is a flimsy, > 140mm x 110mm "Form of Certificate of Registry of Birth or Stillbirth" > issued in Bromsgrove in 1938 (did they specialise in these, I wonder, > Lin?). It simply certifies "that the Birth of a male/female child > (still)/born on the (date) has been registered...". It gives the entry > number and Registry book number (not the same, incidentally, as the GRO > reference), the name of the informant and their "qualifications" (i.e. > mother, in my case). It nowhere gives the name of the child!! > > I believe cost was a factor in my mother obtaining this form of > certificate, and it sufficed for my purposes until 1959 when, for some > reason which now escapes me, I obtained from the Bromsgrove Registry > Office a slightly more robust note measuring 160mm x 160mm, which gives > my full name, sex and birth date and a statement "that the above > particulars have been compiled from an entry in a register in my > custody". I do not recall why I was not given a full copy of the entry > itself. However, this got me through life until earlier this year when, > at the age of 67, I was finally required to obtain a certificate showing > the names of both my parents in connection with my application for > Australian citizenship. And this answers Lin Watterson: ("I guess if we > sent for copies today we would get the full details") -- yes, you would. > > Best regards, > > Keith Houghton, in Sydney (Oz). > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Anyone have a photo of The Green Man in The Tything, Worcester? Any date! Thanks to Gus and Ann for telling me it was still there ( at least until recently) Looks like I'm a couple of years too late! And yes, Gus, I was there a little before the Alice Ottley School!!! I do have a photo of Springfield House. Many thanks for all your help! Vivien

The Cost of a full certificate,is £7 or £11 if you dont have a refernce for it,you give a approximate year and they will search two years either side of it,you can also use reference checking service,whereby you give a father or mothers name,if it dose not match,they wont send it,but give a part refund chargeing abot £3 for admin. I have been buying certificates online for sometime,last year they opened the facility worldwide,one important factor when doing this,allways tick at the beginning if you have the reference details,or you will be charged the higher fee. Joyce order online, http://www.col.statistics.gov.uk/ it looks like a error page at first,but click on the link on there and it will take you through. e-mail, certificate.services@ons.gov.uk Tel Uk 0845 603 778 International +44 0845 603 778 Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Hall" <lachyosh@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WOR] Birth Certificates > Hi, to those who are looking into birth certificates you can still buy > either the short certificate or the full certificate and there is a > difference in cost. Have a look at the Statistic Office site and you will > see the application form. Hope this helps. Regards Joan > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Looking to prove a link between the above families in the 1850's. In the 1861 census, William and Elizabeth Hodgetts are in Catshill with their grandson, George Wilkes. In the 1871 census George Wilkes is with John Hodgetts, again in Catshill . George is now 14, and is shown as Nephew to John - John was one of the sons of William and Elizabeth above. This suggests that George is the son of one of John's (married) sisters, but I cannot find any Hodgetts - Wilkes marriages. John had four (known) sisters, Maria, Harriet, Elizabeth and Hannah. Any sightings would be gratefully received! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 24/05/2005

Hi, to those who are looking into birth certificates you can still buy either the short certificate or the full certificate and there is a difference in cost. Have a look at the Statistic Office site and you will see the application form. Hope this helps. Regards Joan

I've received a fair number of replies both On- and Off-List, and the Consensus View appears to be that my Mum's "Little Slip" is a "Short Form Certificate". BUT... The other Short Certificates I hold - all, admittedly, much more modern than 1913 - are headed "Certificate of Birth". Mum's has the heading "Certificate of Registration of Birth". There would *seem* to be a significant difference here. And, sadly, none of those who have so kindly replied have said what *their* (1913ish) Short Form Certificates have as a Heading... I have attempted to thank all correspondents individually - off-list - but as I posted my original enquiry on both the WAR and WOR Lists, it seems only reasonable to post this to both as well. Gus

Hi all, I would be very grateful for some help looking for JOHN PITT married to HANNAH, in the 1851 census for Worcestershire, he would be about 28 years old and born in Kidderminster, she would be about 27 years old and born in Chester, Nova Scotia. many thanks John Pitt _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters

I truly am enjoying the lastest hot topic on the Worcester list. My gran lived on York Rd. in Brittania Square and it's bringing back such fond memories. I also am researching the surname WILKSand am wondering if anyone would have any information in regards to my line I have little information derived from long order birth certificates, but here it is.... My Gr-Gr-Gr-Grandmother was Ann WILKS, born circa 1809 in Throckmorton, Pershore, she died in Holy Cross, Pershore. She married THOMAS HOWSE, born circa 1805, he also died in Holy Cross Pershore. I have no dates of marriage, death or actual birth dates. I do have the following children who were a result of their marriage, EMMA b. April 12, 1842, JOHN b. circa 1836, JOSEPH b. circa 1839, MARY b. circa 1846, all the children were born in Holy Cross, Pershore. Any additions to my geneological notes would be greatly appreciated. Also, another question is, my Grandmother, HILDA GERTRUDE PARKES, remarried in the 1950's to HARRY GOULD, and we have never found a date of marriage. My mother believes it was in the later 1950's. How do I go about finding the date? Thank you in advance for any advice, help, and assistance. Lydia Granda Joliet, IL. USA

Hi all, I believe I'm making some progress on my GOODYEAR line. Right now I'm checking a lead on my g-g-g-grandparents William & Mary GOODYEAR. Thanks to information provided to me by Keith Price, I discovered there is a burial entry for Grimley WOR as follows - William GOODYEAR buried 24 Sep 1871, 89 yrs old, address World's End WOR. I had originally assumed that William had died before 1871 because I couldn't find a William GOODYEAR that fit my criteria on the 1871 census index at Ancestry.com. However I reasoned that If William was buried in September, then he should be on the 1871 census. Upon checking again for possible mistranscribed entries, I found the following entries - William GOODQION, born abt 1773, born Worcestershire, living Worcestershire Mary GOODQION, born abt 1792, born Herefordshire, living Worcestershire Allowing for the obvious mistranscription errors, there is a good possibility that these are my g-g-g-grandparents. Is there anyone who has access to the 1871 census who could check out these entries please? William and Mary are likely living in World's End WOR (Keith tells me this is a hamlet near Grimley). I'm hoping they are living with or beside other family members. Thanks, Evelyn seeburger@hsfx.ca

Hello John, While I don't recognise Wellington Square - which had probably been 'redeveloped' (or even renamed) in the century before i took an interest in the area - I can be reasonably certain where it was. A Multimap Ordnance Survey reference of SO855547 (West of the canal, and just North of the canal Bridge) should be *very* close to where it was. It was in the (Civil) Extra-Parochial Area of "The Blockhouse", and is on the 1851 in Piece 2042, Folios 583-627, at the very beginning of Registration District 3 - Worcester South. Ecclesiastically, it fell into the 'new' (church consecrated 1845 - but I believe demolished and rebuilt c.1890) Parish of St Paul. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: John Zinn <john.zinn@verizon.net> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:44 AM Subject: [WOR] Hudson/Allies of Wellington Square > I just obtained the marriage certificate of my ggg grand parents James Hudson and Mary Ann Allies who were married in Worcester on April 19, 1857. They are both reported to be living in Wellington Square and according to the certificate the wedding took place at St. Paul's Church in Worcester. Could anyone shed any light as to what census district Wellington Square and/or St. Paul's would have been in for the 1851 census? > > Thanks for any help that anyone can give me. > > John Zinn > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Hello Vivien, The Green Man wasn't just there in 1905 - it was still there (and open) in 2003. But it looks to be Closed For Good now, and being converted into a Not-Pub :-( Springfield in Britannia Square was the Junior Section of The Alice Ottley School in the mid-1950s - and I suspect still could be. It was The House in the centre of the Square. Hmmmm..... Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Palmer <mdpalmer@ukgateway.net> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:38 AM Subject: [WOR] 1881 Britannia Sq & Salt Lane > My query: > > > The dwelling place is given on the LDS Familysearch website as: > > 40 Brit Sq to Salt Lne "Public Hse" Grn Man Inn > > > Many, many thanks to Penny and Roger for so promptly giving me the answer. > > George Williams actually lived at 40 The Tything in the part between Britannia Square and Salt Lane. It wasn't at all clear on the transcription or the census page! and the pub "The Green Man" was still there in 1905! > > Thanks again, my parents always said Midland folks were the best!! > > Vivien > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

My query: > The dwelling place is given on the LDS Familysearch website as: 40 Brit Sq to Salt Lne "Public Hse" Grn Man Inn Many, many thanks to Penny and Roger for so promptly giving me the answer. George Williams actually lived at 40 The Tything in the part between Britannia Square and Salt Lane. It wasn't at all clear on the transcription or the census page! and the pub "The Green Man" was still there in 1905! Thanks again, my parents always said Midland folks were the best!! Vivien

Could anyone with knowledge of Worcester City streets please help? In 1881 my GtGtgrandfather George Williams lived at 40 Britannia Square. He was a tailor and licensed victualler. The dwelling place is given on the LDS Familysearch website as: 40 Brit Sq to Salt Lne "Public Hse" Grn Man Inn I assume The Green Man Inn is his pub. I am puzzled by the reference "to Salt Lane". In the 19th century map I have Salt Lane is quite a long way to the South (about where Castle Street is on the 20th century map) I have 40 Britannia Square on the current Multimap, I wonder if it is the same house? I was born in a nursing home in Springfield House in the Square but I think it has now disappeared. Vivien

I also found my mother's short Birth Certificate after she died. She was born in May 1913. I have since bought a full copy from GRO Southport. It has the original details photocopied in the centre of the modern form. These are: date and place of birth, child's name, sex, father's name, mother's name and maiden name, father's occupation, name and residence of informant, registration date, registrar's name, and name entered after registration (if any) Hope this is useful! Vivien

I just obtained the marriage certificate of my ggg grand parents James Hudson and Mary Ann Allies who were married in Worcester on April 19, 1857. They are both reported to be living in Wellington Square and according to the certificate the wedding took place at St. Paul's Church in Worcester. Could anyone shed any light as to what census district Wellington Square and/or St. Paul's would have been in for the 1851 census? Thanks for any help that anyone can give me. John Zinn

Just a note to say that the server problems seemed to have now improved although there could be the odd intermittent problem for a few hours apparently. On a brighter note I have now managed to upload Hindlip. Don't break the server guys! BFN Sally

Hello All First I have managed to get Hindlip done and that will go online shortly. Secondly the server at Streamline, the hosting company I use, is undergoing some maintenance and so is on a go slow to say the least! Hopefully they will get it done and sorted out soon and then the site should be back to its usual speed. Sorry if it is causing anyone any hassle but it is out of my hands. BFN Sally

On 23rd May Gus wrote: From: "John Tysoe" <gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:32:35 +0100 To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Certificates in general I have been preparing the Estate Accounts of my late father, and among his papers I came across both his and my mother's original birth certificates and their original marriage certificate. All of them provided (to me at any rate) minor surprises. Father's Birth Certificate 1) I had believed all birth certificates were printed in red ink - but this one, dated 19 April 1911 - was in black. When did the colour change? 2) The price was 2s. 7d [13p in Funny Money], while for a copy (if requested later) it was 3s. 7d (including 1d Stamp Duty and a 1-year search) plus 6d Search Fee for every other year that year [18p + 2½p]... Mother's Birth 'Certificate' 1) Although printed in red, it was a 'Certificate of Registration of Birth' dated 19 November 1913. 2) The only information it gave was her name, date of birth, date of registration, and the Register number and Entry number. It also bore a "NOTICE - This Certificate when duly filled up by the Registrar, is to be given (*on demand*) to the INFORMANT at the time of Registering th Birth, on payment of a fee not exceeding Three-pence [1¼p]". I have never seen such a document before - it is printed on flimsy paper and measures some 6½ x 4½in [165 x 115mm], and isn't stamped. 3) It would seem that she never had any other certificate - my father was meticulous in his filing of 'Important Papers' - but she nonethelss held a series of passports... Hi Gus, Like you I have been sadly sorting though family effects. I also have my parents certificates from 1914 Birmingham Ladywood signed Thomas MARYON and 1917 Bromsgrove signe Edward TURNER and they are exactly as you say: printed in red with just the date of birth and the entry number and register number. I always assumed these were the cheap option and they are the only ones they ever had. I guess if we sent for copies today we would get the full details. Best wishes Lin Watterson Isle of Wight