Hi Denise, Primrose Hill is Netherton Dudley Worcs. Withington is probably Whittington near Stourbridge, Old Swinford is also near Stourbridge, none of these places are far apart. Family members were often recorded as Servants, even if they were simply staying with relations, I think all the households were under the impression that everyone in the house had to have a title, the children were recorded as being Scholar's even if they never went near a School. I have a similar situation where a Great Aunt only 17 is staying with her Aunt and Uncle who was a Tailor and very well off, the 17 year old was referred to as being the Servant, whether she is was or not is anyone's guess. As for the travelling, they would walk miles, 20 miles would mean nothing to them. There were hundreds of Coal Mines around Dudley. I have a Samuel Dimmock born 1864 in Dudley, he was a Mining Engineer, went on to be a Pit Manager, his daughter was the wife of my Grandfather's brother. Mr Dimmock was held in great respect, but all the men were scared of getting on the wrong side of him. Hope this helps, best wishes from Linda.

Hi, I dont know if this is of any use,but my grandfather was born in Kinver Staffordshire,there is a Whittington there. Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Palmer" <mdpalmer@ukgateway.net> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:10 PM Subject: [WOR] Charles Tucker, Whittington > Hello Denise, > > Charles Tucker was born at Whittington (no county given) This may be the Whittington where my GtGrandparents were married. They lived in Worcester and this Whittington Chapel was a daughter church to St Peter the Great in Worcester where my Leonard Darke and Caroline Minchinton lived. The BMD index said it was in Pershore, might be a good idea to check this on Genuki. > > Full age then meant 21 years. > > Can't help with the others I'm afraid. > > Vivien > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Hello All Parishmouse has been updated today adding the following parishes: Eldersfield - graves to be added later Grimley - graves to be added later Pendock Old Church - includes some graves - interestingly there is one for someone who lived in Worcester - it's no wonder we can have trouble tracking them down at times! The search index will not be updated until about midnight. No new pictures taken as it is cloudy and keeps dropping wet stuff so not good for me, cameras or photos. I will now concentrate on updating the graves. BFN Sally www.parishmouse.co.uk

Hello Denise, Charles Tucker was born at Whittington (no county given) This may be the Whittington where my GtGrandparents were married. They lived in Worcester and this Whittington Chapel was a daughter church to St Peter the Great in Worcester where my Leonard Darke and Caroline Minchinton lived. The BMD index said it was in Pershore, might be a good idea to check this on Genuki. Full age then meant 21 years. Can't help with the others I'm afraid. Vivien

On 03 Jun, denisesargeant1 <denisesargeant1@ntlworld.com> wrote: > 1] Where is Withington Parish [can't find it on a map] Pass! > 2]Why would Ann give her age a minor would that mean she'd under 18yrs > of age [is that considered to be a minor?] In those days you reached the "age of majority" at 21, so she could be 20. > 3]Would they have a relation as a servant? Yes my Cornelius Dancer had as a servant his niece Parthena. I suspect it was quite common. > 4] How far from Dudley would a family travel to work [mines] and did > they travel a great distance in those days They could do while looking for work. Oldswinford is only about 8 miles from Dudley, not far at all really. Actually thinking about it, my Cornelius Dancer was born in Oldswinford in 1827, but married in 1851 at St Thomas's Church in Dudley. Coincidence! -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY CAMPTON, GREGORY all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day

wondered if somebody who has the 1851 census for Dudley could take a look at an OLD entry I've just found that has slipped down the back of my filing cabinet its for 143 Primrose Hill Charles TUCKER hd 31yrs coal miner born abt 1820 Withington Parish ?? Ann TUCKER wife 23yrs born Dudley Worcs Albert TUCKER son 4yrs born abt 1846/47 Dudley Worcs Rachel TUCKER 3YRS b abt 1848 Dudley Worcs William TUCKER 1yr born 1850 Dudley Sarah DIMMOCK 10yrs servant Dudley Worcs This is my family I have the marriage certificate for Charles & Ann dated 6th September 1845 at Dudley Parish Church after Banns Assume this is St Thomas's? Charles TUCKER ofa bat a Miner of Dudley [father William TUCKER deceased -miner] Ann DIMMOCK minor sp of Dudley [father Samuel DIMMOCK -nailer] Wittnesses were Jane PARRY & Roasannah LITTLE [nne TUCKER] I have a couple of questions SKS with more know how than me might be able to help me with here goes! 1] Where is Withington Parish [can't find it on a map] 2]Why would Ann give her age a minor would that mean she'd under 18yrs of age [is that considered to be a minor?] 3]Would they have a relation as a servant? 4] How far from Dudley would a family travel to work [mines] and did they travel a great distance in those days as my 1st recorded Tucker is with a marriage of Samuel TUCKER to Elizabeth SHELDON at St Mary's church Oldswinford 26th October 1776 then I lose track of the family till a nother marriage in 1804 again Oldswinford then this entry. Any help or pushes in the right direction gratefully received as this is really bugging me now. Best wishes Denise Sargeant[nee TUCKER]

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Hi Ally, if you go to Free BMD registrations,instead of going to search,click on view images,next to it,then follow through,it is a slow process as you have to guess the pages and keep eliminateing untill you have the name you want,but you can then see the whole records up untill about 1910,so enables you to see what is not transcribed,I view through PDF files(adobe acrobat,)then click open twice,I found Clarks in 1850 around the 6 to 700 mark. kind regards Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "ally kingman" <ally.kingman@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: [WOR] Selina CLARK born 1850 Lower Mitton > Hello > > I wonder if anyone has any ideas on finding the birth registration for Selina CLARK born 1850 in Lower Mitton. > > I have her family at 45 Foundry Street in 1851. Selina is 7 months and her sister Ann is 2 both born at Lower Mitton 'according' to the census. > > As CLARK is a common name I thought I would look for Selina's birth rather than Ann's but can find neither. > > I have sent for a Selina CLARK born at Clifton, Bristol (just in case!) but it is definitely not the one. Plus a birth cert for a Selina BISHOP (working on another theory!!) in Worcester, that one also definitely not right. > > There doesn't appear to be any others within a few years. > > The parents, William and Ann have 3 older children all born Lower Mitton too, Edward CLARK b. 1840, Thomas born 1842, and William born 1844, and I can't find anything definite for those. Maybe they weren't registered. > > Does anyone have access to the Lower Mitton (Stourport) registers who could see if Selina or Ann are registered. I wondered if (with the 5 year age gap between William b.1844 and Ann b. 1849) that the father William had taken up with my Ann BISHOP and had the last 2 children. So they could be possibly under the surname CLARK or BISHOP. (Ann BISHOP's son William is staying with them at Foundry Street on the census as 'Nephew') > > Any help or ideas very gratefully received. > > Regards > > Ally > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Helena Have you considered the possiblity of Emma being illegitimate ! And possibly her mother was a Sister of William BLADON. I learned very early on in my research to not take for Gospel Father's names given on Marriage Registrations. My GtGt Grandfather < of Kidderminster > married a woman who was illegitimate. Margaret Roebuck, born in Worcester c 1835, and Baptised with her siblings in Kidderminster at St Mary's Kidderminster in 1839 - only parent name given Lucy Roebuck, in 1849 Lucy ( widow ) married William Lenard. When Margaret married in 1851 she gave her father's name as William ( no surname). Naturally I searched for some time for a William ROEBUCK, assuming Lucy had been married and because father was deceased his name had not been included in the Baptism Register. Kind friends have searched Worcestershire records for the Marriage of Lucy to a William ROEBUCK, finding nothing, only success was Baptism of a Lucy Roebuck in Worcester in 1801, noted as base born, Mother also Lucy! Unfortunately the 1841 census does not include marital status. Would be interesting to know what Lucy would have put! Margaret is not the only one in my tree, to put a 'unknown ' father down, when giving details for the Marriage Registry. The stigma of illegitimacy was feared , and often the girls didn't want their future in laws to know the truth. Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Helena Coney [mailto:helena.coney@ntlworld.com] Sent: Thursday, 2 June 2005 11:37 p.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] BLADON family I am hoping someone can solve this puzzle for me. I have come accross an EMMA BLADON born at Kidderminster around 1845. On the 1881 census she is staying with one of 'my' Bladon's (Margaret Theodora daughter of William) at Oxon Cheshire and is described as Cousin. Emma's son is listed as nephew. I sent for Emmas marriage certificate and she married Joseph WORRALL in 1874 at Plemstall Cheshire giving her father as Thomas Bladon. William had no brother called Thomas and I can't find one to fit anywhere. Wi.lliam was born at Tardebigge son of Edward who was the gamekeeper. He fo a strange reason moved to Chester at the same time as Emma. He married at Chester in 1850 and lived at Marchwiel Denbigh. Emma is on the 1851 census in Chester bording with a William and Margaret Gee, 1861 in Wrexham workhouse, 1871 at Lower Kidleston as a servant. He age varies but she always gives Kidderminster as he birth palce. Has anyone any suggestions for finding he parentage? There dosn't seem to be a birth under Bladon or varients. Helena Coney nee Bladon ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== FreeREG Project: parish register database http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

Hello again, I am looking for the baptism of Rhoda SANDERS about 1755. She married Robert REE in 1779 according to the IGI. Robert REA or REE born about 1755. I am interested in finding a burial for him after 1800. He had a child baptised in 1799. I have the NBI first edition and he is not on it. I think Robert was the son of George and Sarah nee TOMKINS. I am looking for their marriage. James REA married Hannah about 1811. Has anyone come across their marriage? Hannah's mother could have been Susannah as that was the name of her first born but I don't have a surname. They had the children baptised at St Peter's Worcester. Thank you Joan in Devon

In two days at the Worcester History Centre reading I confirmed by ancestry back to Anthony ASHFIELD, described in the PRs as both an Attorney at Law and a “gent”, who died in Pershore in 1729. One of the last things I found for him was in a book of transcriptions of wills for Pershore – a reference to a memorial to him in Pershore Abbey. I didn’t pursue this at the time as I have a ‘fiche of MIs for Wick and Pershore. However, there are no ASHFIELD references on my ‘fiche. Does anyone have any info about this memorial? It could be a clue as to Anthony’s parents - his baptism isn't on the IGI or VRI. I didn’t record the date of the transcriptions book, – does anyone know whether it is likely the memorial has been destroyed/become illegible since the transcriptions were made? Many thanks Susie

Hello I wonder if anyone has any ideas on finding the birth registration for Selina CLARK born 1850 in Lower Mitton. I have her family at 45 Foundry Street in 1851. Selina is 7 months and her sister Ann is 2 both born at Lower Mitton 'according' to the census. As CLARK is a common name I thought I would look for Selina's birth rather than Ann's but can find neither. I have sent for a Selina CLARK born at Clifton, Bristol (just in case!) but it is definitely not the one. Plus a birth cert for a Selina BISHOP (working on another theory!!) in Worcester, that one also definitely not right. There doesn't appear to be any others within a few years. The parents, William and Ann have 3 older children all born Lower Mitton too, Edward CLARK b. 1840, Thomas born 1842, and William born 1844, and I can't find anything definite for those. Maybe they weren't registered. Does anyone have access to the Lower Mitton (Stourport) registers who could see if Selina or Ann are registered. I wondered if (with the 5 year age gap between William b.1844 and Ann b. 1849) that the father William had taken up with my Ann BISHOP and had the last 2 children. So they could be possibly under the surname CLARK or BISHOP. (Ann BISHOP's son William is staying with them at Foundry Street on the census as 'Nephew') Any help or ideas very gratefully received. Regards Ally

Does anyone have any info on sharing, competition, co-operation, tensions between Anglican and Wesleyan Ministers sharing the same church in the 1820s to 1830s, particularly St Peter-the-Great? Roger -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.5.0 - Release Date: 2/06/2005

Hello All, Just to let you know that the following has been added to the site today: Longdon Droitwich St Augustine Worcester St John in Bedwardine BFN Sally www.parishmouse.co.uk

Dave Sorry. Totally misread the year. Humble apologies. -- Mike Yegwart Bromsgrove Branch Chairman BMSGH bmsgh.org

Helena, I have Bladons in my family tree but that was what they were named as back in the late 1700's in Elmley Castle, Worcestershire. Later the name is shown as Playdon and variants. The ones that I have are John, Sarah, Thomas William and the last child Richard (shown as Pleddon) all christened between 1769 & 1776 at Elmley Castle. I doubt that these are of any use to you but it may give you further thought. Happy hunting, Noreen I am hoping someone can solve this puzzle for me. > > I have come accross an EMMA BLADON born at Kidderminster around 1845. On > the 1881 census she is staying with one of 'my' Bladon's (Margaret > Theodora daughter of William) at Oxon Cheshire and is described as Cousin. > Emma's son is listed as nephew. I sent for Emmas marriage certificate and > she married Joseph WORRALL in 1874 at Plemstall Cheshire giving her father > as Thomas Bladon. William had no brother called Thomas and I can't find > one to fit anywhere. > > Wi.lliam was born at Tardebigge son of Edward who was the gamekeeper. He > fo a strange reason moved to Chester at the same time as Emma. He married > at Chester in 1850 and lived at Marchwiel Denbigh. Emma is on the 1851 > census in Chester bording with a William and Margaret Gee, 1861 in Wrexham > workhouse, 1871 at Lower Kidleston as a servant. He age varies but she > always gives Kidderminster as he birth palce. Has anyone any suggestions > for finding he parentage? There dosn't seem to be a birth under Bladon or > varients. > > Helena Coney nee Bladon > > > > >

Sorry David, You're in no luck whatsoever. No certificates at all were issued prior to the summer of 1837. So don't waste your money on an agent. As you have a date death already, the parish burial register will, almost certainly, only give you the date of burial. If any monumental inscription exists, that may confirm things for you, but no guarantees. -- Mike Yegwart Bromsgrove Branch Chairman BMSGH bmsgh.org

Hi Again David, for future reference,up to about 1910,index free online,in Free BMD,those not yet transcribed,you will find in View Images, for complete index up to about 2003,go to, 1837online,costs £5 for 55 searches. kind regards Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: <davidnadams@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:42 PM Subject: [WOR] Certificates > Sorry if this is a dumb question but it's a long time since I obtained one. I want the death certificate of > Emma Hoskins > Died 31st May 1927 > 67 Years > Trafalgar Cottage > Bockleton > Buried > Rochford Churcyhard > > I have e mailed Tenbury register office but received no response. It's not easy to get to somewhere where they have the GRO registers so that I can get the reference which is why I tried the Registrar. Has any one any clues? Don't mind using an agent but again don't know how to find one. > TIA > > ----------------------------------------- > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hi David, You were just lucky,I had 6 searches left online, so here it is, Emma HoskinsJune quarter 1927,Tenbury/6c/88 it cost £7 to order online,will find link and instructions,in the reply to Kendick(certificates) kind regards Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: <davidnadams@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:42 PM Subject: [WOR] Certificates > Sorry if this is a dumb question but it's a long time since I obtained one. I want the death certificate of > Emma Hoskins > Died 31st May 1927 > 67 Years > Trafalgar Cottage > Bockleton > Buried > Rochford Churcyhard > > I have e mailed Tenbury register office but received no response. It's not easy to get to somewhere where they have the GRO registers so that I can get the reference which is why I tried the Registrar. Has any one any clues? Don't mind using an agent but again don't know how to find one. > TIA > > ----------------------------------------- > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hi Gwen, I think this is it, Julia Kendrick/Dec/1895/6c/188, Upton if you go to The Free BMd site,put in Julia Kendrick,1895 Worcestershire,it will come up,if you click on the area,Upton,you will see this is the registration district for Berrow. http://freebmd.rootsweb.com ordering,costs £7 with reference online,remember to mark that you have the reference at the beginning or you will be charged £11 http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/index.asp kind regards Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: <GGroovygrandma@aol.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: [WOR] KENDRICK > Hi, > > Could anyone help me in finding my great grandmother's death certificate? > Her name was Julia Ann Lawrence married to Richard Kendrick. She was born about > 1842 in Berrow, Worcester and died 5 Dec 1895 in Berrow, Worcester, England. > > Her parents were James Lawrence and Ester Berrow. > > TIA > > Gwen Gray > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >