Hello I would like to send a big thank you to everyone who responded to my query, especially, Lynn, Gus, Mike and Joyce. Gus has found Selina's baptism in Lower Mitton in Oct 1850 so it looks as though her birth wasn't registered. Lynn found one of her older brothers in the 1871 census which has meant I have been able to find the same family in the 1861, they had moved to Staffs, which lucky for me has been transcribed now on 1837online.com They had further children in Walsall and one of them was registered which is all I need to check the mother's maiden name. So I have sent for the certificate, and I will soon know!! Thank you to everyone. Best wishes Ally

Hello Tony, From personal experience researching the Poplar Union Workhouse records I have found that for my family the father was admitted on several occasions while the wife remained at home with the youngest children (2 & 3 years old) and the oldest (12 to 17 years) with three children aged 5, 7 & 9 also admitted and transferred the the Poplar Union childrens home. These admissions lasted for between one three weeks at a time. The eldest were obviously bringing in a wage to the household and probably the youngest would be considered to require extra care in a childrens home while the mid range children would receive education and be old enough to look after themselves within the confines of the childrens home to some extent. No doubt the Board of Guardians were extremely pragmatic where the finances were concerned and the most financially efficient solution was accepted in each case considered! Researching these records is fascinating and opened a new vista for me on the social conditions existing at the end of the 19th and start of the 20th centuries. Gordon Hampshire

Just to let you all know that I have uploaded half of the graves for Droitwich St Augustine. The search index is currently being updated and should take about half an hour to an hour. There are quite a few dating back to the 1700s with some listing many members of a family including grandchildren so they are an absolute mine of information. Enjoy :)) Sally www.parishmouse.co.uk

Hello Tony, Workhouses weren't merely "Workhouses" as we think of them, but most would include: Transients' Hostel - "The Casual Ward" A Hospital - "Medical Ward" Perhaps an Asylum for the mentally ill etc (The County Pauper Lunatic Asylum at powick had only opened a year or so before 1851) As well as the now-traditional "Workhouse" - which would also act as an "Old People's Home". So I'd guess a lot would depend on which Ward he was in - unlikely to be shown on the Return, where all the clerk was interested in was listing all those within. It'd also be bureaucratically simpler to call *all* of them "Paupers" - they'd have to be fairly poor in any case... I'd guess from what you say he was in the Medical Ward - perhaps as the result of an accident? HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Crawley <ascrawley@yahoo.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: [WOR] Workhouse query > Hi everyone, > > Can anybody give a possible reason for the following ? > > William Davis, a carpet weaver, lived in Kidderminster > with wife, Hannah, and 3 children. > > On the 1861 census William Davis has disappeared and > Hannah is listed as `Married` and the Head of > household living at 2, Paddock Court, Kidderminster > with the 3 children. > > William Davis is found listed as being Married and a > Pauper inmate in the Workhouse. He is on his own i.e. > no family are with him. > > In the 1871 census he is listed as being the Head of > the Family living with Hannah and the 3 children again > at Bromsgrove Hill, Kidderminster. > > Why would he have been separated from the family and > gone into the Workhouse? Was this to relieve money > pressures so the rest of the family could get by? > Could it have been a marital problem causing a > temporary separation which was later resolved? > > Surely nobody would, willingly, subject themselves to > the Workhouse unless there was a dire problem. > > Has anybody any further ideas on this? > > Regards, > > Tony > Falmouth, > Cornwall > > > > __________________________________ > Discover Yahoo! > Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! > http://discover.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Hi everyone, Can anybody give a possible reason for the following ? William Davis, a carpet weaver, lived in Kidderminster with wife, Hannah, and 3 children. On the 1861 census William Davis has disappeared and Hannah is listed as `Married` and the Head of household living at 2, Paddock Court, Kidderminster with the 3 children. William Davis is found listed as being Married and a Pauper inmate in the Workhouse. He is on his own i.e. no family are with him. In the 1871 census he is listed as being the Head of the Family living with Hannah and the 3 children again at Bromsgrove Hill, Kidderminster. Why would he have been separated from the family and gone into the Workhouse? Was this to relieve money pressures so the rest of the family could get by? Could it have been a marital problem causing a temporary separation which was later resolved? Surely nobody would, willingly, subject themselves to the Workhouse unless there was a dire problem. Has anybody any further ideas on this? Regards, Tony Falmouth, Cornwall __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/

First of all can I say thank you to Mike, Liz,Chris & John for answering my e-mail it was very kind of you to take the time to send me the information. I was very unsure of Whithington/Whittington as before this my TUCKER's seemed to be in Oldswinford, Netherton & Dudley but as they did later show up in Rowley Regis then moving onto the South Yorkshire/Barnsley coalfields I SUPPOSE anything is possible. It was such a bad copy of the 1851 census I was lucky to be able to read as much as I did i never did find any other TUCKER families on it [even though I knew there should be some] I think I'm going to have to cast my net wider and beleive they could do and go most anywhere even without any transport. I did think that as I could not find a Samuel DIMMOCK on the census [Ann's father] that maybe if Sarah was her sister and the father had died that Charles and Ann might have took her in and just gave her bed & board for help with the children , thought maybe they'd said she was a servant to make themselves seem more important or something as i know coalminers did not get paid a lot of money so didn't know how they'd be able to afford to pay a servant[even though they earned a lot less than a miner]I had so much going round in my head thought somebody might have fresh views on it and you've given me even more to think about. As Liz said it's VERY addictive the more you find out the more you want to find out I seem to take 1 step forward then 3 backwards but on day I'll get there with a little help from such nice people as yourselves. So once again many thanks Denise Sargeant[ nee TUCKER]

image sent off list Mike Fisher Wythall,WOR One-Place Genealogical Study http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wythallindex/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Fitzpatrick" <nfitz@sentex.ca> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] John Griffin in Worcester in 1871 > > > On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, lee lawrence wrote: > >> Hi Nicholas, >> you could try the name search facility for 1871 >> census,online with the national archives. >> Joyce >> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/census/ > > That just seems to link to http://www.ancestry.co.uk/s14387/t5642/rd.ashx > which is where I can't find them ... unless there is another search > utility there I am missing. > > Nick > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Hi Nicholas, you could try the name search facility for 1871 census,online with the national archives. Joyce http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/census/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Fitzpatrick" <nfitz@sentex.net> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: [WOR] John Griffin in Worcester in 1871 > I was trying to find a family in the 1871 census, but no trace of them. > > John Griffin - born around 1836 in Hallow. Wife Georgina (Greening) born > in 1833 in Bredon. Children Eliza (1859), Henry (around 1862), William > (1863), Alice (1867), Clara (1868), all born Worcester. > > I think they are living somewhere on The Shambles in Worcester in 1871; > that's where they are in 1881-1901 (some of them at least). (though > I think I've found Eliza living with an Aunt in 1871). > > If I could search the 1871 census by street at ancestry.co.uk I could > probably find them, but I don't know how. Anyone have any suggestions? > Anyone know the Piece/Folio/Page #'s this street was on in 1871? Is > there a way to find this out? > > Nick > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Wythall Index wrote: > image sent off list Ah, perfect! Much thanks. Hmm, last named spelled wrong, birth years all out by a bit, some first names transcribed wrong ... But that's definitely them!! Ah, and a nephew ... that will tie together some mysteries! And Eliza is indeed missing. More mysteries solved! Nick

Hello All Parishmouse has been updated today adding 123 graves for White Ladies Aston - interestingly there are graves for people who lived in Malvern and Alfrick and probably a few more places that I can't remember (your mind goes just a little funny after 123 graves ... although some would say it always has been not quite right!). The search index is being updated at the moment so may take up to an hour or so before the names become searchable. BFN Sally www.parishmouse.co.uk ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== FreeREG Project: parish register database http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, lee lawrence wrote: > Hi Nicholas, > you could try the name search facility for 1871 > census,online with the national archives. > Joyce > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/census/ That just seems to link to http://www.ancestry.co.uk/s14387/t5642/rd.ashx which is where I can't find them ... unless there is another search utility there I am missing. Nick

I was trying to find a family in the 1871 census, but no trace of them. John Griffin - born around 1836 in Hallow. Wife Georgina (Greening) born in 1833 in Bredon. Children Eliza (1859), Henry (around 1862), William (1863), Alice (1867), Clara (1868), all born Worcester. I think they are living somewhere on The Shambles in Worcester in 1871; that's where they are in 1881-1901 (some of them at least). (though I think I've found Eliza living with an Aunt in 1871). If I could search the 1871 census by street at ancestry.co.uk I could probably find them, but I don't know how. Anyone have any suggestions? Anyone know the Piece/Folio/Page #'s this street was on in 1871? Is there a way to find this out? Nick

Hi List Could SKS with access to the 1841/1851 census for, I believe the Hartlebury area of Worcestershire look for a family name of EATON please. The family would have looked like this; William EATON born about 1809, Ann EATON born about 1809 and the children, Charles Edward born abt 1831, George abt 1831, Mary abt 1835, Hannah abt 1837, Ellen abt 1839, Annie abt 1843, Jane abt 1847 and Emma abt 1848. Any help kindly appreciated. Regards Mark

Hi Wendy, thanks for all the info and for a brilliant website. Talk to you soon when I've absorbed it all. Regards Mike

Mark, have found your family in 1851: Piece 2046 folio 323 Sch 42 Titton Hartelbury Reg District Ombersley & Hartelbury Sup Reg Dis Droitwich William Eaton HD M 44 Ag Lab Martley Worcs Ann Wife M 44 Wichenford Worcs Charles Son U 20 Ag Lab Martley Worcs George Son U 18 Ag Lab Martley Worcs Hannah D 13 Hartelbury Worcs Ellen D 11 Hartelbury Worcs Ann D 9 Hartelbury Worcs Jane D 7 Hartelbury Worcs Emma D 1 Hartelbury Worcs Hope this helps, best wishes from Linda.

Hi All, I'm new to this list and I'm looking for Poole in Eldersfield. William Poole, born 1812, died 1890 married Ann(e) but I can't find the exact date or her surname. William's parents were John NEW and Hannah POOLE, they married in 1813, a year after William was born. He took his mother's name. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated in order to find : Ann's surname and wedding date. The parents of John New and Hannah Poole. Kind regards Mike Day

I have in my possession a medal dated 1935. Inscribed to D.V Drury also says Rhode Island Reds, six birds. I have no links to the name, the medal came into my hands by accident. Has anyone any idea of these trials or any relationship to D V Drury? Best wishes Mary

My thanks to Polly Rubery for introducing me to this site. I wonder if anyone can tell me if there are records for the Allchurch Grammar School, Worcester......I have an Ancestor who has insisted in several interviews of his life and newspaper articles that "he was educated at Allchurch Grammar Worcester"...his name is Benjamin (later Evans) Turner born in Worcester 1796 (Baptised @ St Clement same year). Any information regarding this school would be very helpful. Merilyn Ragg Gold Coast/Queensland/Australia

Hi John, Just read your e-mail,am putting a brief history of my family,just in case it helps,as regards travel in 1800,s GGrandfather born Cleobury Mortimer Shropshire,1812 married in 1836 in Lindridge Worcestershire, lived in Kinver Staffordshire,although one census I cant remember which,a birth is listed as Whittington,this place is somehow,also linked with Lady Jane Gray. my grandfather married my gran,who was born in Netherton Dudley,married at St.James Church 1870,her first children were born in Stourbridge,then all the family,Great gran and g uncles etc, by 1900,s were in Kingswinford,Wallheath area. hope this helps a bit Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tysoe" <gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [WOR] 1851 census look up please > > There's a Withington in Shropshire, about mid-way between Shrewsbury and > Wellington (West Telford), and close to the A5. Not too difficult to > travel - even on foot - in the period 1820-50. > > And Whittington - which is how it appears on the Index/Transcript CD, but as > the Transcriber evidently had difficulty with the writing on this page > (Sarah DIMMOCK is shown as 'DINMORE?') so Whittington, too, may be wrong - > is in Staffordshire, about 3 miles West of the Western edge of Stourbridge. > There was an easy Flat Route from Whittington to Netherton along the > towpaths of the Staffs & Worcs and then the Stourbridge Canals - although > the Direct Route would be shorter... > > > There'd be nothing to prevent them having a relative as a Servant - but are > you *sure* of the reading of the surname??? > > > There were mines - coal, ironstone, fireclay - all over Dudley... > > > They almost certainly would've married at St Thomas if it was described as > 'Dudley Parish Church' - the other churches in the ttown were no more than > 'District Churches' in 1845. > > Gus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: denisesargeant1 <denisesargeant1@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:46 PM > Subject: [WOR] 1851 census look up please > > > > wondered if somebody who has the 1851 census for Dudley could take a look > at > > an OLD entry I've just found that has slipped down the back of my filing > > cabinet its for > > 143 Primrose Hill > > Charles TUCKER hd 31yrs coal miner born abt 1820 Withington Parish ?? > > Ann TUCKER wife 23yrs born Dudley Worcs > > Albert TUCKER son 4yrs born abt 1846/47 Dudley Worcs > > Rachel TUCKER 3YRS b abt 1848 Dudley Worcs > > William TUCKER 1yr born 1850 Dudley > > Sarah DIMMOCK 10yrs servant Dudley Worcs > > This is my family I have the marriage certificate for Charles & Ann dated > > 6th September 1845 at Dudley Parish Church after Banns > > Assume this is St Thomas's? > > Charles TUCKER ofa bat a Miner of Dudley [father William TUCKER > > deceased -miner] > > Ann DIMMOCK minor sp of Dudley [father Samuel DIMMOCK -nailer] > > Wittnesses were > > Jane PARRY & Roasannah LITTLE [nne TUCKER] > > I have a couple of questions SKS with more know how than me might be able > to > > help me with here goes! > > 1] Where is Withington Parish [can't find it on a map] > > 2]Why would Ann give her age a minor would that mean she'd under 18yrs of > > age [is that considered to be a minor?] > > 3]Would they have a relation as a servant? > > 4] How far from Dudley would a family travel to work [mines] and did they > > travel a great distance in those days > > as my 1st recorded Tucker is with a marriage of Samuel TUCKER to Elizabeth > > SHELDON at St Mary's church Oldswinford 26th October 1776 then I lose > track > > of the family till a nother marriage in 1804 again Oldswinford then this > > entry. > > Any help or pushes in the right direction gratefully received as this is > > really bugging me now. > > Best wishes > > Denise Sargeant[nee TUCKER] > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > > > > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > For Worcestershire information see > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WOR/ > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

There's a Withington in Shropshire, about mid-way between Shrewsbury and Wellington (West Telford), and close to the A5. Not too difficult to travel - even on foot - in the period 1820-50. And Whittington - which is how it appears on the Index/Transcript CD, but as the Transcriber evidently had difficulty with the writing on this page (Sarah DIMMOCK is shown as 'DINMORE?') so Whittington, too, may be wrong - is in Staffordshire, about 3 miles West of the Western edge of Stourbridge. There was an easy Flat Route from Whittington to Netherton along the towpaths of the Staffs & Worcs and then the Stourbridge Canals - although the Direct Route would be shorter... There'd be nothing to prevent them having a relative as a Servant - but are you *sure* of the reading of the surname??? There were mines - coal, ironstone, fireclay - all over Dudley... They almost certainly would've married at St Thomas if it was described as 'Dudley Parish Church' - the other churches in the ttown were no more than 'District Churches' in 1845. Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: denisesargeant1 <denisesargeant1@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: [WOR] 1851 census look up please > wondered if somebody who has the 1851 census for Dudley could take a look at > an OLD entry I've just found that has slipped down the back of my filing > cabinet its for > 143 Primrose Hill > Charles TUCKER hd 31yrs coal miner born abt 1820 Withington Parish ?? > Ann TUCKER wife 23yrs born Dudley Worcs > Albert TUCKER son 4yrs born abt 1846/47 Dudley Worcs > Rachel TUCKER 3YRS b abt 1848 Dudley Worcs > William TUCKER 1yr born 1850 Dudley > Sarah DIMMOCK 10yrs servant Dudley Worcs > This is my family I have the marriage certificate for Charles & Ann dated > 6th September 1845 at Dudley Parish Church after Banns > Assume this is St Thomas's? > Charles TUCKER ofa bat a Miner of Dudley [father William TUCKER > deceased -miner] > Ann DIMMOCK minor sp of Dudley [father Samuel DIMMOCK -nailer] > Wittnesses were > Jane PARRY & Roasannah LITTLE [nne TUCKER] > I have a couple of questions SKS with more know how than me might be able to > help me with here goes! > 1] Where is Withington Parish [can't find it on a map] > 2]Why would Ann give her age a minor would that mean she'd under 18yrs of > age [is that considered to be a minor?] > 3]Would they have a relation as a servant? > 4] How far from Dudley would a family travel to work [mines] and did they > travel a great distance in those days > as my 1st recorded Tucker is with a marriage of Samuel TUCKER to Elizabeth > SHELDON at St Mary's church Oldswinford 26th October 1776 then I lose track > of the family till a nother marriage in 1804 again Oldswinford then this > entry. > Any help or pushes in the right direction gratefully received as this is > really bugging me now. > Best wishes > Denise Sargeant[nee TUCKER] > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >