As a youth worker I APPLAUDE those in favour of using the library building for other purposes than family history. Well done! In fact the ambuse to use the fiche readers at my local library at opening time resembles the rush for football cup tickets. An unsightly loud pushing and shoving mob of genealogists who love to discuss how they have managed to get their tree back to the 1st century and at the same time related to royalty. Maybe the young people can teach others how to behave!!! As for discos etc held in the daytime - I dont think so. Most young people who would attend would be in the younger age bracket, those 16 plus are more likely to start experimenting with the local bars, clubs . It would not be cool to go to a drop in centre disco. Bear in mind those who attend will be of school age and thus otherwise engaged in the day time. Also as a parent of teenage girls , I find it hard to get them out of bed and away from the mirror in the daytime!! Thus I would assume daytime activities at the library would consist more of an information and adivisory service with planning for night time activities. During the summer months most young people do tend to group with their friends outside rather than attend planned activities . And why not, the fresh air is good for you! Saying that the local police seem to have a dislike to any young people gathering and try to move them on. Something to do with them looking suspicious. The amount of times I hear - where do we move to , we want to be with our mates! You cant have your cake and eat it. If you dont want them in the streets than open the doors of public buildings. The word PUBLIC includes all age groups not just those over the age of 21. Weren't you ever young once!! Helen in Lancashire

I would have written but the letter would not go until 5.00pm tomorrow from here and no chance it would arrive on time! It is an ill advised use of the accommodation. In message <001901c57013$a9a7c080$0700000a@presario>, Wythall Index <wythallindex@btinternet.com> writes >Hi All > >I have just received this and it affects you if you use Worcs. Library >& History Centre in the Trinity, what do you think? >Sorry I do not have an email address for Mr Arnold. >Can you forward this to anyone who may be interested. > >-------- >A matter of importance is that an application for an entertainment >licence has been received by Worcester City Council. It concerns the rooms >directly above the Worcs. Library & History Centre in the Trinity. The >applicant wishes to run a "Drop In Centre" for young teenagers and to >organise entertainment for them, e.g. discos, Karate demonstrations. >Although the claim is made that such activities would take place on just >three evenings per week, when the History Centre is not in use, the actual >period covered by the licence would be for the hours of 11am to 11pm Monday >to Saturday and shorter hours on Sundays! > >It is obvious that there is a danger that the thin end of the wedge may >become thicker once the licence is granted. The disturbance in the daytime >to researchers in the Centre would be intolerable. Due to the >incompatibility of the activities in the two establishments it is vital that >as many objections as possible are sent to: >Mr.R.Arnold >Environmental Services >Worcester City Council >Farrier House >Farrier Street >Worcester >WR1 3ES > >As we have only recently become aware of this situation, time is short. >Objections have to be received by Wednesday 15th June. If you wish to >object, time is of the essence! I have sent my letter and one has been sent >on behalf of the Committee of the Friends of the Record Office. > >----------------- >Mike Fisher >Wythall,WOR One-Place Genealogical Study >http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wythallindex/index.htm > > >==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== >Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG >for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com >UK Census on-line >http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ >http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > > -- Roy Meddings in attractive Herefordshire

Hello Eric, Here's a possibility... 1871 Census - Mathon Gloucestershire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship William Jones abt 1819 Bromyard, Herefordshire, England Head Jane Jones abt 1816 Mathon, Worcestershire, England Wife William J Jones abt 1848 Mathon, Worcestershire, England Son Richard Jones abt 1856 Mathon, Worcestershire, England Son Agar Jones abt 1866 Malver, Worcestershire, England Daughter Best regards, John Kane Sapcote, Leics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Osborne" <eric551@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: [WOR] WILLIAM JOHN JONES, LOOK UP > Hi listers, > > I'm looking for a WILLIAM JOHN JONES on the 1871 census he > was born 1848 at Mathon, Worcs. But only turns up on the 1901 census > married to a Fanny Greening, but again no marriage details to be found > is there anyone who can do a look up for me > > > > Many Thanks > > E Osborne. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.5 - Release Date: 07/06/2005

Hi listers, I'm looking for a WILLIAM JOHN JONES on the 1871 census he was born 1848 at Mathon, Worcs. But only turns up on the 1901 census married to a Fanny Greening, but again no marriage details to be found is there anyone who can do a look up for me Many Thanks E Osborne.

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Dave Newbury wrote: > And hopefully everyone will do the same, I spoke to staff today at the > Centre, rightfully they are very worried, the wording on the application is > open ended, 7 days a week, 11am to 11 pm I think, Sundays less hours > > If they get a yes it will be the thin end of the > wedge.....................as pointed out..... Am I missing something here? This is a different floor of the same building? I've never been down there ... but is there something special about this building? I confess I've never been there (though I hope to the next time I'm in the UK). Is there a picture of the building somewhere? I can never quite picture it ... though I must have walked pass it many times. Isn't somewhere for kids to go a good thing?? Nick

Hello Listers I would like to thank everyone for their help and efforts in helping us find the elusive Edward. Edward was actualy Daniel - how silly of me - sometimes you cannot see the forest for the trees can you. If you ae reseaching William LANE born in Forest of Dean we would like to hear from you. Once again thank you listers. Kind regards Trudy

Ann Rock does not come under Worcestershire 1851 Census, but is included with some of the Border Towns of Shropshire in the Shropshire Census. Piece HO107/1985 District Cleobury Mortimer - Shropshire Parish Rocks Worcestershire. This district is not indexed and I have looked through the pages for Rock and cannot locate the family, I did locate Alfred in 1861 Census living in Dudley. WOR Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Ann Jones [mailto:annken@walmer84.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 13 June 2005 3:22 a.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] 1851 census Hello listers. If anyone has access to the 1851 census please could you help me ? I have THOMAS COLLINS his wife MARY and children Mehatabel aged 10 and Alfred aged 4 living at Rock in 1841. This census doesn't give me details of where THOMAS and MARY were born, and I wondered if the 1851 census would provide that information. I would be most grateful for any help you can give me ......Ann J. ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== FreeREG Project: parish register database http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

On 13 Jun, Wythall Index <wythallindex@btinternet.com> wrote: > Although the claim is made that such activities would take place on just > three evenings per week, when the History Centre is not in use, the > actual period covered by the licence would be for the hours of 11am to > 11pm Monday to Saturday and shorter hours on Sundays! > It is obvious that there is a danger that the thin end of the wedge may > become thicker once the licence is granted. I'm not sure that it will. What is the problem? That there might be "discos" at 11 a.m.? Is that really likely? What are you afraid of? Or is it the case of "oh not it's those yobs again, we'll object just on principle because we don't like noisy young people"? -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY CAMPTON, GREGORY all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day

Hi All I have just received this and it affects you if you use Worcs. Library & History Centre in the Trinity, what do you think? Sorry I do not have an email address for Mr Arnold. Can you forward this to anyone who may be interested. -------- A matter of importance is that an application for an entertainment licence has been received by Worcester City Council. It concerns the rooms directly above the Worcs. Library & History Centre in the Trinity. The applicant wishes to run a "Drop In Centre" for young teenagers and to organise entertainment for them, e.g. discos, Karate demonstrations. Although the claim is made that such activities would take place on just three evenings per week, when the History Centre is not in use, the actual period covered by the licence would be for the hours of 11am to 11pm Monday to Saturday and shorter hours on Sundays! It is obvious that there is a danger that the thin end of the wedge may become thicker once the licence is granted. The disturbance in the daytime to researchers in the Centre would be intolerable. Due to the incompatibility of the activities in the two establishments it is vital that as many objections as possible are sent to: Mr.R.Arnold Environmental Services Worcester City Council Farrier House Farrier Street Worcester WR1 3ES As we have only recently become aware of this situation, time is short. Objections have to be received by Wednesday 15th June. If you wish to object, time is of the essence! I have sent my letter and one has been sent on behalf of the Committee of the Friends of the Record Office. ----------------- Mike Fisher Wythall,WOR One-Place Genealogical Study http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wythallindex/index.htm

Hello listers. If anyone has access to the 1851 census please could you help me ? I have THOMAS COLLINS his wife MARY and children Mehatabel aged 10 and Alfred aged 4 living at Rock in 1841. This census doesn't give me details of where THOMAS and MARY were born, and I wondered if the 1851 census would provide that information. I would be most grateful for any help you can give me ......Ann J.

On 12/6/05 1:30 am, "ENG-WORCESTER-D-request@rootsweb.com" <ENG-WORCESTER-D-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I HAVE LOOKED IN 1861 FOR YOU BUT NO SIGN OF HIM. Do you want to tell me who his parents were? I found a Thomas 1836 and Isabella Lane 1836 with a baby Thomas aged 1 .(Puddler and nailmaker) It may be that the family just forgot to list him. I have several members who were forgotten as babies. Lin Watterson Isle of Wight

Hi Trudy and Charles, I had a quick look on the Ancestry 1861 census but I am not sure how complete it is. I have two different LANE families in my tree and knowing how many of them are about I was sure there should have been more hits than this. I could not find any hits for EDWARD LANE aged 6 in Staffordshire, the only LANE's that came up for Oldbury was this family, but no Edward: 118, Langley Green, Oldbury in the village of Langley. Daniel Lane abt 1855 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury Staffordshire Elizabeth Lane abt 1836 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury Staffordshire Enoch Lane abt 1847 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury Staffordshire Mary Lane abt 1816 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Wife Oldbury Staffordshire William Lane abt 1815 Gloucestershire, England Head Oldbury Staffordshire Are you sure Daniel here is not Edward?, I spent many years looking for my Ernest Wyer only to find out his name was really Samuel Ernest Wyer, he changed his name willy nilly for different census returns, just a thought. If you find any of your LANE family in either ASTON, Birmingham or CANNOCK, Staffordshire this is where my family were. All the best Lynn Paterson researching WYER <Could I please ask SKS for a look in the 1861 census for Edward LANE. <In the 1871 census he is living with his parents as a 16 year old boy in <Oldbury, Stafford <In the 1861 census he was not living with his parents but was probably with a <neighbour or relative. He should have been a 6 year old at the time of the 1861 <census.

Hello Listers Could I please ask SKS for a look in the 1861 census for Edward LANE. In the 1871 census he is living with his parents as a 16 year old boy in Oldbury, Stafford In the 1861 census he was not living with his parents but was probably with a neighbour or relative. He should have been a 6 year old at the time of the 1861 census. Char and I would appreciate any help in finding Edward. Kind regards Trudy and Charles Lane

Hi Trudy, In the 1871 Census the entry in the index says Edward but the child living in the household of William & Mary is DANIEL...and he is in the 1861 Census with his mother and father William & Mary and brother Enoch...In the 1871 Enoch is 2 houses away with his wife and family... I can send images off list if you want them... Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Lane" <ctlane@bigpond.net.au> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:29 PM Subject: [WOR] Edward LANE > Hello Listers > > Could I please ask SKS for a look in the 1861 census for Edward LANE. > > In the 1871 census he is living with his parents as a 16 year old boy in > Oldbury, Stafford > > In the 1861 census he was not living with his parents but was probably > with a neighbour or relative. He should have been a 6 year old at the > time of the 1861 census. > > Char and I would appreciate any help in finding Edward. > > Kind regards > Trudy and Charles Lane > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ >

Hello All, just to let you know that I have managed to get about half of the memorials for Claines uploaded. I've also added a Blog to the site so people can see where I've been, what's coming and what I'm working on. Site updates will also be posted there probably in future more frequently than this list where I will tend to post updates every so often saying what has recently been updated ... we'll see how it goes. BFN Sally www.parishmouse.co.uk

Charles Ok ignore my first email - I haven't learned to read yet. In 1871 There is an Edward Lane age 6 born in Oldbury living with his mother Elizabeth Lane born 1835 They are boarders with Charlotte Slim born oldbury 1819 and her son (son in law in 1861) Edward Brice born 1838 Oldbury If this is your Edward Lane he was not born in the 1861 census so it was probably his mother that I sent the information of in the last email. Christine Hartwell Oregon USA -----Original Message----- From: Charles Lane [mailto:ctlane@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 5:30 PM To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] Edward LANE Hello Listers Could I please ask SKS for a look in the 1861 census for Edward LANE. In the 1871 census he is living with his parents as a 16 year old boy in Oldbury, Stafford In the 1861 census he was not living with his parents but was probably with a neighbour or relative. He should have been a 6 year old at the time of the 1861 census. Char and I would appreciate any help in finding Edward. Kind regards Trudy and Charles Lane ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

Charles Where are Edward's family in 1861? Would this be his mother Elizabeth with her family in Langley Green Oldbury. Maybe Edward was being called Daniel in 1861? William Lane abt 1815 Gloucestershire, England Head Oldbury Mary Lane abt 1816 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Wife Oldbury Staffordshire Elizabeth Lane abt 1836 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Daughter Oldbury Staffordshire Daniel Lane abt 1855 Oldbury, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury Staffordshire Enoch Lane abt 1847 Dudley, Worcestershire, England Son Oldbury Staffordshire Christine Hartwell Oregon USA -----Original Message----- From: Charles Lane [mailto:ctlane@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 5:30 PM To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] Edward LANE Hello Listers Could I please ask SKS for a look in the 1861 census for Edward LANE. In the 1871 census he is living with his parents as a 16 year old boy in Oldbury, Stafford In the 1861 census he was not living with his parents but was probably with a neighbour or relative. He should have been a 6 year old at the time of the 1861 census. Char and I would appreciate any help in finding Edward. Kind regards Trudy and Charles Lane ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

Has anyone any information on a Jane Harris who gave birth to an illegitimate child named Emma on 18th September 1853 at Hill Top Bromsgrove. I think Jane had a brother Edward born 1833 at Droitwich (information from 1871 census) Can't find Emma or Jane in 1861 census of Bromsgrove. Don't even know the age of Jane. Emma married my maternal Great Grandfather in Wednesbury Staffs in approx. 1875 (first child was born c 1876 in Wednesbury). Emma was living with her Uncle Edward in Walsall 1871. Sheila Pickin Berwick upon Tweed

Hi everyone A big thankyou to everyone who replied to my query about what and where Far Forest was. I gather I will have to search Shropshire ( Shrewsbury?) for further information. Probably the reason why the family from Cleobury weren't in the WOR 1851. Thankyou, Barbara

Jean Piece 2032 Folio 206 is High Street - Dudley Parish Folio 358 is Constitution Hill " " Piece 2033 Folio 41 Woodside " " Piece Nos 2032 & 2033 are part of the Worcestershire 1851 Census, I don't think mycensuses - included them with both sets , if you send me the names I am happy to check them for you !! Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: jean.kitchin@tesco.net [mailto:jean.kitchin@tesco.net] Sent: Friday, 10 June 2005 1:00 a.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] 1851 census address check please Hi My 1851 census for Dudley is from mycensuses and it does not tie in with the pages listed on the Staffordshire county index I have just bought from BMSG. Please could some one with an 1851 census for Dudley that ties in with the Staffordshire county index just check the adrresses for me on pages: 2032 - pages 206 and 358 3033 - page 41 This should help me to locate the people I am looking for on the CD I have. Many thanks Jean ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/