Hi All does anyone know the name of this farm in Yardley Wood on an old postcard ? http://mjfisher.blogspot.com/ Mike Fisher School Photos http://billesley.blogspot.com/ Contact on billesley@btinternet.com 07746391703

Hello List, Can I possibly ask a favour for SKS to look up the BOULTON or BOLTON surnames on the 1841 census please. I am interested in mainly the Feckenham, Crabbs Cross, Hunt End areas. In return I am willing to look up on the 1861, 1871, 1891 & 1901 census for people. TIA. Maria.

Hi All thought I would pass this on Ancestry opens complete 1920 census index and images! That's right; totally free access for 3 days! http://www.censusfinder.com/1920-census-free.htm Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree is at http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/mjfisher

In a message dated 6/15/2005 9:36:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, wythallindex@btinternet.com writes: Ancestry opens complete 1920 census index and images! That's right; totally free access for 3 days! _http://www.censusfinder.com/1920-census-free.htm_ (http://www.censusfinder.com/1920-census-free.htm) ---------- The site opened fine, and the Search works fine, but when I click on anything in the Results list I get the "Cannot find page" thing. Velma

Hi Linda Thanks for the information, sounds like an interesting book. The two Josiah GREENs probably belong to my family, Benjamin had a brother and a nephew named Josiah who would have been about the right ages. Maybe I shall find connections to some of the others. Another thing which may be in a local book is the comment about Sarah GREEN nee MILWARD found in a family tree of the descendants of William CASTLEDOWNE of Halesowen (Sarah's mother was Alice CASTLEDOWNE). It says: Sarah bap.1697 mar.1719 St Philip's Birmingham; artist; bur.1788 "oldest inhabitant". I have read the Halesowen PR for the burial, it says Mrs Sarah GREEN, widow, buried 9 Jan 1788. I should love to know where the "oldest inhabitant" bit comes from. I don't know where the CASTLEDOWNE tree came from, it is a photocopy with no reference to the publication. It may be from the book by Johnson Ball on William CASLON the Typefounder, another member of this family and Sarah MILWARD's first cousin. Best wishes from Diana >Hi Paul and Diane, from Halas Halas Halesowen, written by F. & K.M. Somers;

Linda: Thanks for these. Certainly of interest, and I'm bound to be related to some of them. If only I knew which and how! Best wishes Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Lamberg" <linpete@lamberg25.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] GREEN and MILWARD of Halesowen > Hi Paul and Diane, from Halas Halas Halesowen, written by F. & K.M. > Somers; > > There was a Richard and Amice Green mentioned back in the 1300's. > William Green was a Hye Warden in 1533, responsible for having the Church > Limewashed. > In 1835 John Green was a local Land-owner, and lived in Hagley Street > Halesowen. > In 1904 a Captain G. H. Green was a Commanding Officer in the Halesowen > Volunteer Corp. > 1928 a William Green was a Church Warden. > 1839 a Thomas Green was a Church Warden > 1793 a Richard Green was a Church Warden > 1801 a Josiah Green was a Church Warden > 1760 a Josiah Green was a Church Warden > 1767 a Edward Green was a Church Warden > 1533 a William Grene was a Church Warden > 1528 a John Grene was a Church Warden > 1750 a William Green was a Church Warden > > A Richard Millward was in trouble with the Courts in 1438, " took and > carried away a bow, valued at 2/-,' for which he was brought to trial. > In 1766 a William Millward 'received an amount of Beef and Mutton at the > Workhouse.' > 1756 William Millward was a Church Warden > > The above shows that your family names have a long history throughout > Halesowen's Past. > > Hope it is of some interest and help to you. > > Best Wishes from Linda. > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

I have been researching the name BEARD in Worcestershire and surrounding counties for many years. I would be pleased to hear from anyone with Beard connections with a view to exchanging information. Sheila S.Johnson Menston Ilkley, West Yorkshire

I suggest you consider a two-pronged approach. By all means oppose the proposed use if you feel you can win that argument. I don't know the centre so cannot judge the strength of your case. However, you might wish to consider a fall-back position: that in the event that the Council is minded to approve the application, it imposes conditions. Yu have implied some conditions in your e-mail: - that the drop in use is for no more than n sessions per week - that the drop in sessions will be only scheduled for times when the history centre is not in use - that a joint liaison body is established to manage the potentially conflicting interests int he building and most importantly, I suggest...... - that any planning permission is for a period of 12 months only, after which time it will lapse. That way, if the co-existence works, it can be renewed. However, if it doesn't work, any apllication for a renewal can be opposed - not on the supposition of what MIGHT happen (the position you are in now) but on what HAS happened, if it is bad. I suggest you think as well about any improvements that you might welcome - extra security locks, CCTV, health and safety; that sort of thing. Hope this helps. Stephen Reid

I am about to start researching my GREEN family of Halesowen. My GGGGG-Grandfather Benjamin GREEN was baptised at Halesowen in 1739. He was a Line Engraver at Oxford and then became Drawing Master at Christ's Hospital in London. He died in 1798. Many of his brothers were also artists as was his mother Sarah MILWARD. I have a GREEN family tree which was prepared by the Halesowen Technical School in 1951 for the Festival of Britain Exhibition of Art by the Greens. Now I want to trace the family further back. If anyone else is interested in these families I should love to hear from you. Diana in Perth, Western Australia

Hi Paul and Diane, from Halas Halas Halesowen, written by F. & K.M. Somers; There was a Richard and Amice Green mentioned back in the 1300's. William Green was a Hye Warden in 1533, responsible for having the Church Limewashed. In 1835 John Green was a local Land-owner, and lived in Hagley Street Halesowen. In 1904 a Captain G. H. Green was a Commanding Officer in the Halesowen Volunteer Corp. 1928 a William Green was a Church Warden. 1839 a Thomas Green was a Church Warden 1793 a Richard Green was a Church Warden 1801 a Josiah Green was a Church Warden 1760 a Josiah Green was a Church Warden 1767 a Edward Green was a Church Warden 1533 a William Grene was a Church Warden 1528 a John Grene was a Church Warden 1750 a William Green was a Church Warden A Richard Millward was in trouble with the Courts in 1438, " took and carried away a bow, valued at 2/-,' for which he was brought to trial. In 1766 a William Millward 'received an amount of Beef and Mutton at the Workhouse.' 1756 William Millward was a Church Warden The above shows that your family names have a long history throughout Halesowen's Past. Hope it is of some interest and help to you. Best Wishes from Linda.

Image sent off List !! Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Eric Osborne [mailto:eric551@ntlworld.com] Sent: Tuesday, 14 June 2005 7:02 a.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] WILLIAM JOHN JONES, LOOK UP Hi listers, I'm looking for a WILLIAM JOHN JONES on the 1871 census he was born 1848 at Mathon, Worcs. But only turns up on the 1901 census married to a Fanny Greening, but again no marriage details to be found is there anyone who can do a look up for me Many Thanks E Osborne. ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/

Hi Gus and all they should have increased the size of facility at the "proper" record office, easy access especially from the motorway network and above all peace & quiet. Mike in Droitwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tysoe" <gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [WOR] WCRO problem > Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear... > > Lines Have Been Drawn - with Hobby-Horses Galloping in all directions... > > The Combatants would seem to be > A) Those who know the History Centre Building; and > B) Those who apparently don't, but nonetheless hold Strong Views as to > what they believe it should be. > > It would be a great help were all who have commented so far to state which > group they fall into. > > I'm in A... > > > The Building is *NOT* a solidly-constructed Victorian Library (in which > such > a proposal might indeed be a Good Thing). > > It is a cheaply-built 1960s structure, once part of a Co-Op Store, with > poor > sound insulation in its ceiling. > > It is opposite a large pub with loud music, and also hosts around a dozen > public-use computer terminals, so the regular users already have to put up > with a certain amount of extraneous noise. > > > The Applicant is understood to be the Licencee of a Punk Rock Bar, so > those > who seem automatically to assume that this is to be a traditional 1950s > Youth Club could well be allowing their prejudices to show. > > > OF COURSE it's a Good Thing to "Keep Young People Off The Streets", but > (as > in house-buying) the basic rule should be "Location. Location. Location." > > This is the wrong location. > > I have lodged an objection. > > Gus > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear... Lines Have Been Drawn - with Hobby-Horses Galloping in all directions... The Combatants would seem to be A) Those who know the History Centre Building; and B) Those who apparently don't, but nonetheless hold Strong Views as to what they believe it should be. It would be a great help were all who have commented so far to state which group they fall into. I'm in A... The Building is *NOT* a solidly-constructed Victorian Library (in which such a proposal might indeed be a Good Thing). It is a cheaply-built 1960s structure, once part of a Co-Op Store, with poor sound insulation in its ceiling. It is opposite a large pub with loud music, and also hosts around a dozen public-use computer terminals, so the regular users already have to put up with a certain amount of extraneous noise. The Applicant is understood to be the Licencee of a Punk Rock Bar, so those who seem automatically to assume that this is to be a traditional 1950s Youth Club could well be allowing their prejudices to show. OF COURSE it's a Good Thing to "Keep Young People Off The Streets", but (as in house-buying) the basic rule should be "Location. Location. Location." This is the wrong location. I have lodged an objection. Gus

Diana: I've just re-read you message and noticed also the name MILWARD. My Eleanor STEVENTON, nee GREEN (born 1792 died 1832 aged 40) had a daughter Mary Ann STEVENTON. And Mary Ann married Samuel MILLWARD! Now, granted it's a few years after the time period you're looking at, but the occurrence of both GREEN and MILWARD in my family and yours seems quite a coincidence. And people did often marry cousins. Here's hoping you've an Abigail GREEN somewhere. Best wishes Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Stevens" <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 8:46 AM Subject: [WOR] GREEN and MILWARD of Halesowen >I am about to start researching my GREEN family of Halesowen. > > My GGGGG-Grandfather Benjamin GREEN was baptised at Halesowen in 1739. He > was a Line Engraver at Oxford and then became Drawing Master at Christ's > Hospital in London. He died in 1798. > > Many of his brothers were also artists as was his mother Sarah MILWARD. > > I have a GREEN family tree which was prepared by the Halesowen Technical > School in 1951 for the Festival of Britain Exhibition of Art by the > Greens. > > Now I want to trace the family further back. If anyone else is interested > in these families I should love to hear from you. > > Diana in Perth, Western Australia > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Diane: You wouldn't happen to have an Abigail GREEN, would you? My ggg grandmother Eleanor STEVENTON died of cholera and was buried at Oldbury Wesleyan Methodist (which was in the parish of Halesowen) in 1832. These are unusually detailed registers, and it says that she "was the daughter of Abigail GREEN". I have the marriage of Eleanor to James STEVENTON at West Bromwich all Saints in 1812, and the baptism of Eleanor daughter of Abigail GREEN at Dudley St Thomas in 1792. Then the trail goes cold. Any sightings of an Abigail GREEN gratefully received! Best wishes Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Stevens" <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 8:46 AM Subject: [WOR] GREEN and MILWARD of Halesowen >I am about to start researching my GREEN family of Halesowen. > > My GGGGG-Grandfather Benjamin GREEN was baptised at Halesowen in 1739. He > was a Line Engraver at Oxford and then became Drawing Master at Christ's > Hospital in London. He died in 1798. > > Many of his brothers were also artists as was his mother Sarah MILWARD. > > I have a GREEN family tree which was prepared by the Halesowen Technical > School in 1951 for the Festival of Britain Exhibition of Art by the > Greens. > > Now I want to trace the family further back. If anyone else is interested > in these families I should love to hear from you. > > Diana in Perth, Western Australia > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >

Ok, we have aired this, the application is to be heard tomorrow, This subject is now CLOSED Back to what the list is for thank you Dave Listowner http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/index.php?referrerid=14 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005

Duncan Jackson seems to think that anyone wanting to do serious research is a fuddy-duddy, is that how he sees himself? He sounds very young so he should realise that the young are noisy, boisterous full of life and totally incompatible with the rest of the human race. That's exactly how it should be. Unfortunately there are some barmy people about, and it seems that local authorities attract more than their fair share of them, who ignore the natural order of things and cause unnecessary friction by their irresponsible actions. In most towns there are empty buildings just crying out to be used by young people where they can let off steam, make a noise and do anything else they want without spoiling the enjoyment of others whose activities are less energetic. The proposal should be rejected but perhaps someone with knowledge of the area could suggest an alternative venue. Let's hope common sense prevails. Regards Mike Day

Well done Chris... I was disappointed to read the objections on the list. I would have expected a warmer response to a scheme offering activities to the young/youth. If the application is rejected lets hope they don't realise it was the boring fuddy-duddies(?) downstairs. Why don't you offer tours of the centre? Not all kids want to dance round handbags or throw their friends over their shoulders! Remember they're our descendants... I found this on an intergalatic genealogy site: www.letsbemoretolerant.co.mars ....my great-great-great grandfather led a protest to close down youth facilities in early 21st century Worcester, I have the transcript of his letter and the newspaper cutting of the subsequent riot during which the WCRO was burnt to the ground by disgruntled teenagers. These disturbances took place before humans discovered the antisocial behaviour gene ....... entered by Captain Pic[k]ard Fisher, Starbase Mars 11 in his family history. Duncan -----Original Message----- From: famhist@dsl.pipex.com [mailto:famhist@dsl.pipex.com] Sent: 13 June 2005 14:57 To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WOR] WCRO problem On 13 Jun, Wythall Index <wythallindex@btinternet.com> wrote: > Although the claim is made that such activities would take place on just > three evenings per week, when the History Centre is not in use, the > actual period covered by the licence would be for the hours of 11am to > 11pm Monday to Saturday and shorter hours on Sundays! > It is obvious that there is a danger that the thin end of the wedge may > become thicker once the licence is granted. I'm not sure that it will. What is the problem? That there might be "discos" at 11 a.m.? Is that really likely? What are you afraid of? Or is it the case of "oh not it's those yobs again, we'll object just on principle because we don't like noisy young people"? -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY CAMPTON, GREGORY all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day ______________________________

And hopefully everyone will do the same, I spoke to staff today at the Centre, rightfully they are very worried, the wording on the application is open ended, 7 days a week, 11am to 11 pm I think, Sundays less hours If they get a yes it will be the thin end of the wedge.....................as pointed out..... Dave Listowner http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/index.php?referrerid=14 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wythall Index" <wythallindex@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] WCRO problem > Hi Roy > > I am sending my letter to customerservicecentre@cityofworcester.gov.uk and > asking for it to be forwarded to Mr Arnold > > Mike Fisher > Wythall,WOR One-Place Genealogical Study > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wythallindex/index.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy M" <Roy@Farm3.demon.co.uk> > To: "Wythall Index" <wythallindex@btinternet.com> > Cc: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [WOR] WCRO problem > > > >I would have written but the letter would not go until 5.00pm tomorrow from > >here and no chance it would arrive on time! > > It is an ill advised use of the accommodation. > > > > In message <001901c57013$a9a7c080$0700000a@presario>, Wythall Index > > <wythallindex@btinternet.com> writes > >>Hi All > >> > >>I have just received this and it affects you if you use Worcs. Library & > >>History Centre in the Trinity, what do you think? > >>Sorry I do not have an email address for Mr Arnold. > >>Can you forward this to anyone who may be interested. > >> > >>-------- > >>A matter of importance is that an application for an entertainment > >>licence has been received by Worcester City Council. It concerns the rooms > >>directly above the Worcs. Library & History Centre in the Trinity. The > >>applicant wishes to run a "Drop In Centre" for young teenagers and to > >>organise entertainment for them, e.g. discos, Karate demonstrations. > >>Although the claim is made that such activities would take place on just > >>three evenings per week, when the History Centre is not in use, the actual > >>period covered by the licence would be for the hours of 11am to 11pm > >>Monday > >>to Saturday and shorter hours on Sundays! > >> > >>It is obvious that there is a danger that the thin end of the wedge may > >>become thicker once the licence is granted. The disturbance in the daytime > >>to researchers in the Centre would be intolerable. Due to the > >>incompatibility of the activities in the two establishments it is vital > >>that > >>as many objections as possible are sent to: > >>Mr.R.Arnold > >>Environmental Services > >>Worcester City Council > >>Farrier House > >>Farrier Street > >>Worcester > >>WR1 3ES > >> > >>As we have only recently become aware of this situation, time is short. > >>Objections have to be received by Wednesday 15th June. If you wish to > >>object, time is of the essence! I have sent my letter and one has been > >>sent > >>on behalf of the Committee of the Friends of the Record Office. > >> > >>----------------- > >>Mike Fisher > >>Wythall,WOR One-Place Genealogical Study > >>http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wythallindex/index.htm > >> > >> > >>==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > >>Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > >>for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > >>UK Census on-line > >>http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >>http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Roy Meddings in attractive Herefordshire > > > > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005

Hi Roy I am sending my letter to customerservicecentre@cityofworcester.gov.uk and asking for it to be forwarded to Mr Arnold Mike Fisher Wythall,WOR One-Place Genealogical Study http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wythallindex/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy M" <Roy@Farm3.demon.co.uk> To: "Wythall Index" <wythallindex@btinternet.com> Cc: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] WCRO problem >I would have written but the letter would not go until 5.00pm tomorrow from >here and no chance it would arrive on time! > It is an ill advised use of the accommodation. > > In message <001901c57013$a9a7c080$0700000a@presario>, Wythall Index > <wythallindex@btinternet.com> writes >>Hi All >> >>I have just received this and it affects you if you use Worcs. Library & >>History Centre in the Trinity, what do you think? >>Sorry I do not have an email address for Mr Arnold. >>Can you forward this to anyone who may be interested. >> >>-------- >>A matter of importance is that an application for an entertainment >>licence has been received by Worcester City Council. It concerns the rooms >>directly above the Worcs. Library & History Centre in the Trinity. The >>applicant wishes to run a "Drop In Centre" for young teenagers and to >>organise entertainment for them, e.g. discos, Karate demonstrations. >>Although the claim is made that such activities would take place on just >>three evenings per week, when the History Centre is not in use, the actual >>period covered by the licence would be for the hours of 11am to 11pm >>Monday >>to Saturday and shorter hours on Sundays! >> >>It is obvious that there is a danger that the thin end of the wedge may >>become thicker once the licence is granted. The disturbance in the daytime >>to researchers in the Centre would be intolerable. Due to the >>incompatibility of the activities in the two establishments it is vital >>that >>as many objections as possible are sent to: >>Mr.R.Arnold >>Environmental Services >>Worcester City Council >>Farrier House >>Farrier Street >>Worcester >>WR1 3ES >> >>As we have only recently become aware of this situation, time is short. >>Objections have to be received by Wednesday 15th June. If you wish to >>object, time is of the essence! I have sent my letter and one has been >>sent >>on behalf of the Committee of the Friends of the Record Office. >> >>----------------- >>Mike Fisher >>Wythall,WOR One-Place Genealogical Study >>http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~wythallindex/index.htm >> >> >>==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== >>Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG >>for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com >>UK Census on-line >>http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ >>http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ >> >> > > -- > Roy Meddings in attractive Herefordshire > >