Hello All The following parishes have been added to Parishmouse during the last week: Old Swinford graves and memorials etc Crossway Green Doverdale church & graves Elmbridge - interior, exterior and memorials (graves photographed and will be added later possibly later this week) Bredon - interior, exterior (memorials and graves photographed and will be added later this week ... hopefully) Droitwich St Augustine - graves updated adding a further 56 graves. And for those with Warwickshire interests Alcester. I noticed that there were references in some of the memorials for Alcester to people from Worcestershire. The photo galleries have been altered slightly and now have the descriptions next to the photo on the right hand side so it is easier to read the transcript of the most important parts of the memorials or headstone. NB: the Droitwich update has only just been added and it will take about an hour for the search engine to update the index of names. So if you search for a surname it may not appear in the results until later. Have a good week Sally www.parishmouse.co.uk

This is a cross-posting to several lists: Hi. I'm new to this list and have only recently returned to family history. Could anyone tell me why a family would register the births of the same children in two parishes in different counties? In the early to mid-1800s, William Grafton, for example, and his siblings including Walter, is registered at birth in both Stone in Staffordshire and and Stourbridge in Worcester. Thanks for your help. Moira Vancouver, BC

Issuing my interest just in case Millman Kidderminster/Old Swinford Perry Old Swinford/ Areley Kings Have Richard Millman m Martha Perry Old Swinford 25 Dec 1815. Children were: Anne Bap 24 Oct 1816 St Mary & All Saints D 1817 Joseph Bap 26 Jan 1818 St Mary & All Saints William Bap 1 Sep 1820 St Mary & All Saints Richard Bap 20 May 1823 St Mary & All Saints George Goodman Bap 28 Dec 1827 St George D 1828 Martha Bap 27 Apr 1829 St George? In particular looking for: Information on Richard and Martha pre nuptial Joseph - what happened to him? Family rumour went to America William - from birth to emigration to Australia 1852. Any Information. Unable to locate on 1841/1851 Census so not sure of location. (G Grandfather) Martha - what happened to her? Although a link to Martha Perry of Areley Kings has been claimed through other family research would hope to obtain some form of confirmation. Any assistance and information provided on the family would be gratefully appreciated. TIA Bob Millman Strathpine Queensland

Hi, I am new to the list and I was wondering if there is anyone out there who is researching HOWELL. I have a Deborah Howell christened in the Saint Helen Pump Street Methodist Church in Worcester on 5 Oct 1817 (found on IGI). Parents listed as Henry HOWELL and Ann (no surname). From the IGI I have also found that she had a sister Elizabeth b 21 Jul 1815, chr 20 Aug 1815; and a brother Richard chr 25 Mar 1814. Deborah married a Richard Atkins on 5 Aug 1833 at Bidford-on-Avon. Do not know where Richard was born. Was wondering if anyone could help me find out who Deborah's mother was and if anyone is researching anyone of the above names. Would love to hear from them. Rosalie Trim Australia

Dear List: Thanks to some superb help from two listers, I have my Warwickshire-dwelling boat-building JEFFERIES in Ribbesford in the 1700s. Francis JEFFERIES (various spellings) married Jemima PAIN (various spellings) at Dowles (SAL) in April 1746. Both were 'of Ribbesford'. Among their children were: Elizabeth, Joseph, Francis, Phillip, Hammond (m Jane LOWE, d 1810, Bilston), Henry Payne (m Mary LLOYD, d 1830 Minworth - my line that went to Warwickshire), Martha Payne, Margaret and Sarah. All baptised at Ribbesford from 1747 to 1764. If anyone has any of these swinging in their tree - or others they feel may be connected, would be delighted to hear ! Jacqui

Hi Folks, Some may already know these words, but as they crop up fairly frequently: "Pthsis" should be Phthisis, is now called tuberculosis, usually of the lungs. "Hematopsis" should be Haemoptysis. This is coughing up blood and is associated with TB, as well as many other conditions. One could therefore, summise that the "Lunatic Asylum, Powick," was also being used as an Infectious Diseases Hospital, or Sanitarium. Somebody more knowledgeable than myself may know better, but I would say that the average alcoholic in those days would be "left on the streets" or at home, and only in the last stages of withdrawal or encephalopathy might someone be admitted. Hard times indeed. -- Mike Yegwart Bromsgrove Branch Chairman BMSGH bmsgh.org

Hi listers My great-grandmother, Elizabeth Rose (nee Davenport) was an inmate in Powick Asylum from 1885 to 1892 and I was able to view all the original records at Worcester Records Office, although they do have to be ordered in advance from their off-site storage facility. The 19th century records are very extensive and are basically full-page (or more) accounts of the types of treatment, problems, release (or, as in my ancestor's case, death) each individual received. If you are able to visit be sure to phone to order the records in advance or you will have a wasted journey. I know from reading some of the cases as I looked for my own specific family member that people were in the asylum for dubious reasons - my great-grandmother appears to have been admitted suffering from little more than post-natal depression, so alcoholism would have been certain grounds for admission. Best wishes, Steve Cullen Researching: Rose - Halesowen and surrounding area Davenport - Belbroughton and surrounding area Guise - Worcestershire Cullen - Somerset & Rhondda Valley ----- Original Message ----- From: <jcweatherby@aol.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:43 AM Subject: [WOR] hemming - POWICK ASYLUM > My greatgrandfather, Alfred Hemming, a 50 year old male builder, resident > in Worcester (prob. New Street) with his wife, Sarah Letitia (Stanton) > Hemming and several children, died July 8, 1875 of what appears to be > "pthsis and hematopsis" in what appears from the death certificate to be > "Lunatic Asylum, Powick." At an unknown date, there is/was is a Powick > Pauper Lunatic Asylum apparently owned/operated by the City and County of > Worcester, ab out 2-1/2 miles south of Worcester. However, the > conditions he had (misspelled, of course) seem more likely to be related > to TB than any other cause, and so far as I can tell from the information > regarding the surviving family members and their "station," he was far > from being a pauper. How can I find out why he was there? Was the Asylum > ever anything other than a "lunatic" asylum? There is a suggestion in the > notes of the family member who dug this up (since deceased), that great > grandfather may have been an alcoholic. Would thi! > s suffice to put him in a Lunatic Asylum? As you can tell, I'm waiting > with baited breath for this answer, having found a jailbird in my > husband's family, as well as another skeleton or two, I wouldn't be > shocked by anything. > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > > >

My greatgrandfather, Alfred Hemming, a 50 year old male builder, resident in Worcester (prob. New Street) with his wife, Sarah Letitia (Stanton) Hemming and several children, died July 8, 1875 of what appears to be "pthsis and hematopsis" in what appears from the death certificate to be "Lunatic Asylum, Powick." At an unknown date, there is/was is a Powick Pauper Lunatic Asylum apparently owned/operated by the City and County of Worcester, ab out 2-1/2 miles south of Worcester. However, the conditions he had (misspelled, of course) seem more likely to be related to TB than any other cause, and so far as I can tell from the information regarding the surviving family members and their "station," he was far from being a pauper. How can I find out why he was there? Was the Asylum ever anything other than a "lunatic" asylum? There is a suggestion in the notes of the family member who dug this up (since deceased), that great grandfather may have been an alcoholic. Would thi! s suffice to put him in a Lunatic Asylum? As you can tell, I'm waiting with baited breath for this answer, having found a jailbird in my husband's family, as well as another skeleton or two, I wouldn't be shocked by anything.

Oops,. should have mentioned that the book written by Roy Clews about the Needle Trade is called Young Jethro. Sheila

There was an excellent book written by Roy Clews and published by Corgi. For anyone interested in the Industrial Revolution and the Redditch Needle trade this book is a must. Sheila

Dear Listers, Sorry about my posting. My finger slipped on the heading which should be as above! Margaret from Hampshire.

Dear Listers, At the suggestion of another lister (and at the risk of boring everyone to death), I am posting my father's family history in the hope that someone will recognise his father as a family member. I am completely stuck because I have so little information about him. I do not know where he was born or when he came to Birmingham to live. Anyway, here we go: My VALE and PETTITT (Petty) families are: My father was William Pettitt Vale. Born 13.7.1907 in Ladywood district. Living at 10 Brixham Rd., Rotton Park, Birmingham. Worked for Birmingham City Transport at Tyburn Road, Erdington. In Tyburn Road Home Guard during WWII. Married - Dorothy Edith Billing on 25th July, 1938 in Tatworth, Somerset. They moved to Olorenshaw Rd., Sheldon, Birmingham. He had a sister - Winifred Laura Vale Born 29.12.1903. Married Harold Page in 1930. Their parents (my grand parents) were: William Vale (born 1872/73) and Annie Elizabeth Pettit (Petty) (born 1874/75) Married on 29.12.1902 at St.James' Church, Handsworth, Staffordshire. Their ages on the marriage certificate were 29 and 27 respectively. They both died in 1944, she in Birmingham where they both lived and he in Leicester just after Annie. He was a storekeeper in 1902, but went on to be a gas meter reader later. One of the witnesses at the wedding was Nellie Pettit, Annie's sister. Now have death certificates for both grandparents. First Great Grandfather's Family William's father (my g.grandfather) was another William who was a Cabinet Maker on the marriage certificate in 1902. He lived at 31 New Summer St., Birmingham. (I presumed this was the address as it was on my grandparents' marriage certificate as the address of the groom, although this address was that of the Pettit's on the various censuses.). He may not have been born in Birmingham but in Bengeworth in Worcestershire as this seems to tie up with a family there who were carpenters and joiners in the 1881 census. My grandfather was aged seven then, born in 1872/73 at Evesham. This family is on the 1881 Census and, if this William is my g.grandfather, he was 56 then, his wife Anne being 47. However, this is only supposition at the moment. Second Great Grandfather's Family Annie's father was Phillip Henry Pettit (Petty) (born 1846/47) who was a Caretaker in 1902 but a Furniture Porter in the 1881 Census. He lived at 5 Belle Vue Terrace, Brewery St., Birmingham. (See below). Phillip Henry Pettit and his wife are in the 1881 Census. She was also named Annie Elizabeth (born 1849/50) and they had another daughter called Emily *(born 1877/78), three years younger than my grandmother, Annie. Also a daughter, Nellie (Ellen) * (born 1883/84). They all lived at 460 Park Road, Birmingham. Phillip was born in Birmingham and his wife and children in Handsworth, Stafford. They also had a lodger, James Daniels, a Glass Blower aged 32 in the Census. I have since found that they had a name change from Petty to Pettit with details as follows: PETTY - PHILIP HENRY S/O Charles & Mary born 14th Jun 1845 baptised 24 Jul 1845 At St Philip's Church (now the Cathedral) Birmingham PETTY - Charles married Mary Grinrod 28th Dec 1829 St Bartholomew Edgbaston (then in WOR now part of B'ham) GRO INDEX - PETTY - PHILIP HENRY married Jun Qtr 1873 Registration District West Bromwich Cert' number 6b 1036 Bride - Annie Elizabeth Cottrell PETTY - ANNIE ELIZABETH birth March Qtr 1875 West Bromwich District Cert number 6b 764 (West Bromwich is the Registration District for Handsworth) COTTERELL - ANNIE ELIZABETH bap 25th Feb 1849 at St James Handsworth dau'of Charles & Ann The 1891 Census shows the Pettit family as follows: 31 New Summer St., Birmingham - Sherbourne Works - a Chandelier Manufactory PHILLIP H PETTIT Head M 45 Stationary Engine Driver Born-Birmingham Annie Pettit Wife M 41 Caretaker of Works Born - Handsworth Annie E Pettit Dau Sgle 16 General Servant Born-Handsworth Emily Pettit Dau 13 Scholar Born - Birmingham Nellie Pettit Dau 8 Scholar Born - Birmingham The 1901 Census shows the PETTIT family as follows: 31 New Summer Street (Radcliffe House), Birmingham. (This is also the address of William Vale on the marriage certificate in 1902) PETTIT Philip Head M 55 Engine Driver Born - Birmingham PETTIT Ann E Wife M 52 Born - Handsworth PETTIT Ann E Dau S 26 Born - Handsworth (my grandmother) PETTIT Nellie Dau S 18 Born - 1883/84 - Birmingham MARGETTS Emily M Dau M 23 Born - Birmingham MARGETTS James J Son in Law 23 Born - Birmingham * Emily married James Thomas Margetts (a bricklayer)on 29th September, 1900 at St. James' Church, Handsworth, Birmingham. They lived at 93 Hingeston St., Brookfields. They had at least two children - Phyllis Millie - born 18.3.1902 and Hilda Ann - b. 15.7.1909. James served in WW1 in the Royal Engineers, Service No. 241821. James' parents - James and Mary Ann, lived at 95 Clark St., Ladywood. He died in 1930 and she in 1935. Nellie married William Steed about 1906 in Birmingham and died in1968. Sorry everybody that this is so longwinded but I am hoping for a breakthrough at last!!! Margaret from Hampshire

Hello Mike. Mike Yegwart > > Can't remember if I 've been down this road before. I have an Elizabeth > JENNINGS, born about 1859 marrying Fredericck HANDS, born about 1858 in > Redditch, on 21st June 1880. Frederick was a 1st cousin 3 times removed. > > Is this Elizabeth JENNINGS anything to do with you? Possibly. Thomas JENNINGS married Elizabeth BIDDLE at Alcester in 1807 and they had nine children between 1808 and 1828, but apart from Elizabeth, born in 1815, I haven't traced their descendants. Their sons were Michael (1811), George (1823) and Thomas (1828). David.

Hi David, Can't remember if I 've been down this road before. I have an Elizabeth JENNINGS, born about 1859 marrying Fredericck HANDS, born about 1858 in Redditch, on 21st June 1880. Frederick was a 1st cousin 3 times removed. Is this Elizabeth JENNINGS anything to do with you? -- Mike Yegwart Bromsgrove Branch Chairman BMSGH bmsgh.org

Hello Gus I can not thankyou enough for your help, I will see if I can pick them all up under Hallchurch, I never thought to try that in the 1871 Census, but one of Ann's children has the middle name of Hallchurch. Thankyou Elaine Smith In Raining Queensland Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tysoe" <gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk> To: "Elaine Smith" <famgenes@bigpond.net.au> Cc: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] ALLCHURCH > Hello Elaine, > > Stourbridge Registration District in fact originally straddled *three* > Counties - its three Sub-Districts being: > 1) Halesowen - mainly a Detached Part of Shropshire (although > transferred > to Worcestershire in 1844) > 2) Stourbridge - all in Worcestershire except Amblecote, which remained > stubbornly Staffordshire until as recently as 1966 > 3) Kingswinford - all, always, in Staffordshire > The whole area disappeared into the unlamented "County of West Midlands" > in > 1973, but following that County's Balkanisation in the mid-1990s it's now > anybody's guess where they might be! > > But for all Censuses after 1841, the whole District was deemed to be in > Worcestershire - so you're on the right list! > > > And here's the family - masquerading under the name of HALLCHURCH... > > 1851 Census HO107 - Piece 2036 > Registration District - Stourbridge > Registration Sub-District - Kingswinford > Parish - Kingswinford > Township - Brockmoor > Folio 581; Househild 125 - Brockmoor Bridge > Thomas HALLCHURCH, Head, M, 38, M, Coal miner, STS, Kingswinford > Sarah HALLCHURCH, Wife, M, 32, F, -, STS, Kingswinford > Luke HALLCHURCH, Son, -, 9, M, Scholar, STS, Kingswinford > Joseph HALLCHURCH, Son, -, 5, M, Scholar, STS, Kingswinford > Margaret HALLCHURCH, Dau, -, 3, F, -, STS, Kingswinford > Ann HALLCHURCH, Dau, -, 7m, F, -, STS, Kingswinford > > And in the very next house > Folio 581; Househild 126 - Brockmoor Bridge > Ann HALLCHURCH, Head, W, 58, F, Housewife, STS, Kingswinford > Samuel HALLCHURCH, Son, U, 22, M, Labourer, STS, Kingswinford > David HALLCHURCH, Son, U, 18, M, Labourer, STS, Kingswinford > Jane HALLCHURCH, Dau, U, 17, F, -, STS, Kingswinford > > HTH > > Gus > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elaine Smith <famgenes@bigpond.net.au> > To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 1:48 AM > Subject: [WOR] ALLCHURCH > > >> Hi Listers, >> I am new to this particular list, >> I have been for some time researching the Allchurch surname, with out >> much > success until last night. >> >> Ann Allchurch born between 1850 -1853 Stourbridge >> I have her on the 1871 Census living in Derbyshire as a servant >> 1881-1901 Census living in Attercliffe Yorkshire, Married to Joseph > Driver, so far I havent been able to find a marriage for them, but suspect > they married in Eckington Derbyshire >> >> I think I have her now on the 1861 Census, age 10, Scholar >> >> Source information: RG9/2072 >> Registration district: Stourbridge >> Sub-registration district: Kingswinford >> ED, institution, or vessel: 18 >> Folio: 34 >> Page: 61 >> Household schedule number: 296 >> GSU Number: 542913 >> >> >> >> >> Other Members of the family are Sarah age 42 Widow, Luke age 19 Coal > Miner, Joseph age 15 Labourer at Stone Works, Margaret age 15, David age > 8, > and Thomas age 6, The street name for the 1861 census looks like Little > John > St. >> Living next door to this family is Ann Allurch 68, and her son Samuel 34, > I suspect they are related as well >> Is there any one who may be able to see if the family is at the above > address in 1851 >> >> I found this birth reference for Ann on Ancestry.com if it is the correct > one Sep ¼ 1850, Stourbridge Vol 18 Page 493 and the confusing part here > for > me is that Stourbridge came under Staffordshire as well >> I hope I am on the correct list or should I be on the Staffordshire list? >> Appreciate any help >> Thanks >> Elaine Smith >> QLD, Australia >> >> >> ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== >> Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG >> for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com >> UK Census on-line >> http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ >> http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ >> >> > >

My relatives, John/Jack and Nellie Barnard appear on the 1946 electoral roll as living at Red House Villa, Sedgeberrow. Does anyone know if this house is still there? Was it perhaps a lodge of a larger house - The Red House? Has anyone heard of a property called May Court in the area? Thanks Rosemary Rees

My great-great-grandfather William LATHBURY was a needle pointer. He married Elizabeth JENNINGS at Alcester in 1836. In the 1841 census the family were living in Evesham Street, Redditch. William LATHBURY, 25, needle maker Elizabeth LATHBURY, 25 Elizabeth LATHBURY, 4 William LATHBURY, 2 George LATHBURY, 4 mths He died on 31st January 1851, age 36 - I have a copy of the death certificate. It states: Occupation: needle pointer. Cause of death: Consumption (not certified) Death reported by Mary Davies, in attendance, Redditch 3rd February 1851. In the 1851 census the family were in Adelaide Street, Redditch. Elizabeth LATHBURY, Head, 34, widow, War. Alcester Elizabeth LATHBURY, 13, Needle Maker Labeller, Redditch William LATHBURY, 11, Errand boy George LATHBURY, 10, Pin Maker Wire Drawer Thomas LATHBURY, 7, Scholar Kezia LATHBURY, 1m Agnes JENNINGS, lodger, 24, Needle Maker Filer, War. Alcester Ann SMITH, lodger, Needle Maker (Eyer - crossed out) Duller, Worcs. So William did not live to see his baby daughter Kezia. It must have been quite a struggle for Elizabeth, pregnant and with a dying husband. The family had moved from the affluent Evesham Street to the poorer area of Adelaide Street. They probably could not afford a doctor and the cause of death was just a guess. It didn't seem to have been linked to his occupation. David.

Hi I have a James QUESNELL born (according to several censuses) in Worcester 1813 but can't find any other info about his parents, or any other Quesnells living in Worcestershire. I did however find an old newspaper article from 1803 on the 'Worcestershire Today" website as follows: Ladies French School - Mr Quesnel begs leave to acquaint parents who choose to have their children taught French that he will open on Monday next, at his own house on the North Parade, Worcester, a School for Six Young Ladies to be instructed in this polite and useful language. School hours will be from three to five in the afternoons on Mondays and Wednesdays. Terms - One guinea per quarter. If anyone living locally has access to any records that might shed light on my James or on the Mr Quesnel living at North Parade, I would be very grateful to hear from them. Thanks Sandie

Hi Listers, I am new to this particular list, I have been for some time researching the Allchurch surname, with out much success until last night. Ann Allchurch born between 1850 -1853 Stourbridge I have her on the 1871 Census living in Derbyshire as a servant 1881-1901 Census living in Attercliffe Yorkshire, Married to Joseph Driver, so far I havent been able to find a marriage for them, but suspect they married in Eckington Derbyshire I think I have her now on the 1861 Census, age 10, Scholar Source information: RG9/2072 Registration district: Stourbridge Sub-registration district: Kingswinford ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Folio: 34 Page: 61 Household schedule number: 296 GSU Number: 542913 Other Members of the family are Sarah age 42 Widow, Luke age 19 Coal Miner, Joseph age 15 Labourer at Stone Works, Margaret age 15, David age 8, and Thomas age 6, The street name for the 1861 census looks like Little John St. Living next door to this family is Ann Allurch 68, and her son Samuel 34, I suspect they are related as well Is there any one who may be able to see if the family is at the above address in 1851 I found this birth reference for Ann on Ancestry.com if it is the correct one Sep ¼ 1850, Stourbridge Vol 18 Page 493 and the confusing part here for me is that Stourbridge came under Staffordshire as well I hope I am on the correct list or should I be on the Staffordshire list? Appreciate any help Thanks Elaine Smith QLD, Australia

Hi everyone, I'm new to this list and would like to hear from anyone who may have an interest in the PARTRIDGE or STANTON families from Stourbridge. I'm helping my elderly neighbour research his family. My own family research is mainly in London and Suffolk so I'm new to researching in this part of the country. John PARTRIDGE was born around 1794 in Stourbridge. He married an Ann and had 2 children that I know of. John PARTRIDGE was born around 1836, also in Stourbridge. He married Sarah JORDAN in 1856 in Old Swinford, Stourbridge. They had 9 children, the eldest - Alice Mary was born around 1857 in Stourbridge. She married John STANTON in 1878. John was also born in Stourbridge around 1856. His parents are Edward and Ann/Honour STANTON. I believe they were born in Ireland. All their children were born in Stourbridge so I'm presuming they immigrated after their marriage or they immigrated seperately and married in England. The STANTON's were living in Round Court, Stourbridge in 1861, New Street in 1871 and Wheeler Street in 1881. The PARTRIDGE's were living in Park Street West, Stourbridge in 1861, Wheeler Street in 71 and 81 and were at High Street, Wollaston in 1891. I've not seen the 1841 or 51 census. I would love to hear from anyone with an interest in these families. Cheers, Alison Baker Melbourne, Australia.