Hello List I am searching for my GGGrandfather on the 1851 Census, if any kind soul has it would you look for him for me. This is the information I have on him: Charles AMYES (varients are AMOS, AMES and maybe EMUS, EMES etc) born 1811-1814 Kidderminster, Sutton or Tenbury, Worcestershire. Every census after 1851 says a different place. He was a gardner and a groom. He married Elizabeth COOKE in the last quarter of 1851. Maybe you could find her also, she was born in 1823 give or take a couple of years, in Woolfelow (spelling?), Hereforshire. If anyone has a connection to this family, let me know. Thank you in advance, for you help. Diane AMOS Orange Park, Florida USA Where it is 98 degrees, with a feeling of 110 degrees Researching: AMOS, AMYES, BURNSIDE, WESTWOOD, LEADBEATER and CURZON
Hello All Thought I would post a note to tell anyone who is interested that the first batch of graves for Bredon have now been added to the site and also the memorials and a few graves for Lindridge. There have been a few other alterations and additions but you'll all see those for yourselves. I am now busy writing a new site that will be hosted on Rootsweb where there will be larger versions of the graves and memorials for download so you will be able to view the inscriptions for yourselves once you have downloaded the photo to your computers. The smaller sizes will continue to be available on the main site for those that don't want to download the large files. I'll let you all know when the new site is up and running. BFN Sally www.parishmouse.co.uk
Dear Mike I am sure it was an annual rent. That was the traditional way of doing things, and that would make much more sense of the amount too. best wishes Anne Original Message: ----------------- From: Mike YEGWART mike.yegwart@btinternet.com Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:49:28 +0100 To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] The Poor Rate Hi folks, The following is a direct quote from a Rent Book, including the period 1802-04: "A rate then and there made by the Churchwardens and Overseers of the Poor for the Relief of the Poor of the said Parish for one month being sixpence in the pound." Josiah HANDS rent was £2 and the monthly rate was 6d. I think Josiah was a cobbler/cordwainer. £2 a month, £24 per year, seems an awful lot of money. My question is, was the rent more likely to be an annual amount? Has anyone any hard facts on cordwainers earnings to support their suppositions? -- Mike Yegwart Bromsgrove Branch Chairman BMSGH bmsgh.org ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Hi Jim, Has your name _ALWAYS_ been HOBBINS? There are a few hundred years of HOBBIS around Bromsgrove and Kings Norton. If you say either with a "cold in your nose" they become awfully similar. Just a thought. -- Mike Yegwart Bromsgrove Branch Chairman BMSGH bmsgh.org
Hi folks, The following is a direct quote from a Rent Book, including the period 1802-04: "A rate then and there made by the Churchwardens and Overseers of the Poor for the Relief of the Poor of the said Parish for one month being sixpence in the pound." Josiah HANDS rent was £2 and the monthly rate was 6d. I think Josiah was a cobbler/cordwainer. £2 a month, £24 per year, seems an awful lot of money. My question is, was the rent more likely to be an annual amount? Has anyone any hard facts on cordwainers earnings to support their suppositions? -- Mike Yegwart Bromsgrove Branch Chairman BMSGH bmsgh.org
Many thanks to Gus and Jacquie for your replies. Best wishes, Mark
Hello Mark If you look at the Worcestershire Record Office webpages at www.worcestershire.gov.uk and click on Family History you will find a list of Roman Catholic places of worship. Grafton Manor Chapel was a private chapel of the Earls of Shrewsbury and was used for Catholic worship until 1858 when St Peters was built in Bromsgrove. The website lists microfilms held by the Record Office and the dates covered. Regards Jacquie >From: MAshwell@aol.com >To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WOR] Bromsgrove Catholic Church >Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 04:56:11 -0400 > >Hello All, > >Can anyone tell which Church the Roman Catholics of Bromsgrove might have >attended in the late 1700's? > >...and where would I find a copy of the Church records? > >Best regards, > >Mark Ashwell > > > > > >==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== >Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG >for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com >UK Census on-line >http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ >http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ >
Hello Mark, The likeliest place is Grafton Manor - such registers as were then kept are held on film at Worcester History Centre. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: <MAshwell@aol.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: [WOR] Bromsgrove Catholic Church > Hello All, > > Can anyone tell which Church the Roman Catholics of Bromsgrove might have attended in the late 1700's? > > ...and where would I find a copy of the Church records? > > Best regards, > > Mark Ashwell > > > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >
Anyone out there with an interest in the Hobbins Family, please contact me to swop notes, facts etc. Jim Hobbins. "Live Long and Prosper, My Friends" Should you no longer wish to be included in my Address Book, hit reply and put DELETE in the subject box of your E-Mail.
Hello listers Thank you for those who have helped me and making this forum an enjoyable one - even with the saga of 'do I dare say it' Queen Bodavia, that my grandmother told me about - it was enjoyable to watch the feedback - I learnt so much history and have enjoyed reading all your postings. I am going unsubscribe for a while as we will be travelling over to England soon - oh yes and I will going back to my roots of Colchester and see the castle. Once again thank you all and I will see you when I return. My e-mail address is ctlane@bigpond.net.au Kind regards Trudy
Hello All, Can anyone tell which Church the Roman Catholics of Bromsgrove might have attended in the late 1700's? ...and where would I find a copy of the Church records? Best regards, Mark Ashwell
Hello listers Could I please ask SKS to look up the 1891 census for Oldbury to see where Mary LANE born 1815 (78 years) is residing. Kind regards Trudy and Charles
Hi List, Thank you for all the help I received regarding my query about gardeners. Kind regards Kathy
Hi Everybody, I'm just wondering what sort of 'houses' would have been in use in the 1860s. I have seen addresses for Labourers such as Back of Crown, Back of Brittania back of Tavern. I know that they were Public Houses but what was round the back ? Would they be tent like or more substantial ? Kind regards Kathy
Kathy Gardeners where employed by a) The Owners of Larger Houses and Grounds / Town Councils / Market Gardeners - also part time would ( like today ) have a roster of households they worked for. My 3XGt Uncle Edward was a Gardener, Living in Edgbaston and later Moseley, he worked for a time for the Cadbury's , but later also kept several churchyards and grounds tidy, and assisted a Market Gardener in the Harborne Area. ( This info. I have from his Gt Grandson, who did meet his Gt Grandfather as a small boy - and was intrigued as Grandfather wore his trousers tucked into his socks! ) hth Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Kathy [mailto:taffy65@ntlworld.com] Sent: Monday, 18 July 2005 8:44 a.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] 1858 occupations Hi List, Whilst 'going through' the marriage registers at St John The Baptist Claines in between 1858 and 1868 I noticed that many of the occupations listed were Labourers or Gardeners. I can understand the labourers but why were their so many gardeners? Where did they garden? Regards Kathy BUNN,MERRICK ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/
Re: WAP - sample letter to Rootswebs lists re jestrrwolf. Forward message for Jeanagh ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeanagh Punter To: ENG-WORCESTER-admin@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: Denise Hammond aka Jestrrwolf Hi everyone, I have the List Owner's permission to post this request. I am trying to contact Denise Hammond aka Jestrrwolf on behalf of Michael McCormick and FreeCEN. Over six months ago Denise volunteered to check a piece of the 1891 Census of Warwickshire. She hasn't replied to Michael's emails asking for an update on her progress and we need to reallocate the piece. The fiche set she has in her possession is the property of the LDS and has to be returned to them at the completion of the Project. We need these fiche back urgently. If anyone is in contact with Denise would they please ask her to contact me as soon as possible. Thank you, Jeanagh Recruiter for the Census Transcriptions Team for Warwickshire http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/w-a-p.html A Member of the British War Memorial Project Team www.wargraves.org.uk and
Hi Kathy, There were several fairly Big Houses in Claines that would probably have employed 3 or 4 - possibly more - full-time gardeners [Perdiswell Hall, Bevere House, Bevere Manor, Northwick Grange] and any number in and around Britannia Square, Lansdowne Crescent and North Barbourne that could've employed 1. Which leaves plenty of scope for part-timers, "helping-out" 2 or more employers. But the majority were more likely to be - or be employed by - Market Gardeners HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy <taffy65@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: [WOR] 1858 occupations > Hi List, > Whilst 'going through' the marriage registers at St John The Baptist Claines in between 1858 and 1868 I noticed that many of the occupations listed were Labourers or Gardeners. > I can understand the labourers but why were their so many gardeners? Where did they garden? > > Regards > Kathy BUNN,MERRICK > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > >
Hi List, Whilst 'going through' the marriage registers at St John The Baptist Claines in between 1858 and 1868 I noticed that many of the occupations listed were Labourers or Gardeners. I can understand the labourers but why were their so many gardeners? Where did they garden? Regards Kathy BUNN,MERRICK
Am not sure exactly what my great-grandfather did in Essex, likely he was an agricultural labourer, but by the time he got to Canada, in the 1870s, he had become a market gardener (a produce merchant), and several of his sons, including my grandfather, did become gardeners, looking after the gardens of prosperous persons and public parks and gardens as well. hth too, Carolyn Montreal, Canada So I would think "gardener" covers quite a bit of territory. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Verrall" <hverrall@ihug.co.nz> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 9:15 PM Subject: RE: [WOR] 1858 occupations > Kathy > > Gardeners where employed by a) The Owners of Larger Houses and Grounds / > Town Councils / Market Gardeners - also part time would ( like today ) > have a roster of households they worked for. > > My 3XGt Uncle Edward was a Gardener, Living in Edgbaston and later Moseley, > he worked for a time for the Cadbury's , but later also kept several > churchyards and grounds tidy, and assisted a Market Gardener in the Harborne > Area. ( This info. I have from his Gt Grandson, who did meet his Gt > Grandfather as a small boy - and was intrigued as Grandfather wore his > trousers tucked into his socks! ) > > hth > Helen > New Zealand > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathy [mailto:taffy65@ntlworld.com] > Sent: Monday, 18 July 2005 8:44 a.m. > To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WOR] 1858 occupations > > Hi List, > Whilst 'going through' the marriage registers at St John The Baptist Claines > in between 1858 and 1868 I noticed that many of the occupations listed were > Labourers or Gardeners. > I can understand the labourers but why were their so many gardeners? Where > did they garden? > > Regards > Kathy BUNN,MERRICK > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ > > > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > http://www.worcestershiresurnames.co.uk/ >
With regard to the 1841 census, it's worth remembering that the ages of people over 15 were rounded DOWN to the nearest five years, so someone giving his age as 23 would appear on the census as 20 and someone actually aged 29 would appear as 25. Michael Outlaw.