Hi Listers Many thanks to those who looked up the 1851 census for Charles William Morris & Michael Joseph Morris. A negative result is still informative, as I now know where they were not! However, they may well have been scholars in 1851 (aged 13 & 14) . They were not convicted until 1859 & by 1861 were probably in a prison hulk awaiting transportation - in 1862. On arrival in Australia they were described as boatman & waterman - so they may have come from families involved in river or canal work. Thanks again Ruth

Dear Listers Please has anyone access to the 1851 census index for Worcester? I would like to find Charles William MORRIS (13) and Michael Joseph MORRIS (14), - ages are approximate - who were described as boatman & waterman respectively when tried at Worcester in 1859. They were transported to Australia for house breaking. Many thanks Ruth Hayward

Hi Listers Can anyone help me find my gg grandparents William BIRCH b abt 1814 Alton, Wife Maria nee (Hartland) c 1822, Sedgley, with daughter Emma c 1845 Brierley Hill (g grandmother), I am unable to locate a birth certificate for Emma presume she would have been registered somewhere in that vicinity. On the 1881 census she is married - born in Oldbury, Worcs.and living in West Brom. I have her death certificate which states age as 43yrs,this was 1887, so that fits with this time span. I would love to know if there are any other children and to know where they were living ie Staffordshire or Worcestershire. Any help will be greatly received. Many thanks Mary Perth Australia maryp@starwon.com.au

Thank you very much to all who replied to my question. I will go ahead and purchase both. Best wishes Margaret

The 1851 transcription and name index is from S&N British Data Archive Ltd Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree is at http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/mjfisher ----- Original Message ----- From: "D&M Goodwin" <famhist@thegoodwins.fastmail.fm> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: [WOR] 1841 & 1851 census for Worcs. > Hi List, > > I would like to purchase the 1841 & 1851 census as I am continually > needing to do look ups. Can anyone please make any recommendations? > > Margaret > www.thegoodies.org.uk > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >

Margaret, I have used both CD Archives and Stepping Stones, you can find them under Google, both excellent. Best Wishes from Linda.

Hi List, I would like to purchase the 1841 & 1851 census as I am continually needing to do look ups. Can anyone please make any recommendations? Margaret www.thegoodies.org.uk

Many thanks to each & everyone who responded to my request. Problem solved (nearly :-) Kind regards. Ray Begley

Sorry to clutter the List.... A year or so back I was in correspondence with someone who was collecting WOLLAXALLs in the Bewdley area, but a computer crash lost my e-mail archive, and I can't recall who it was! But if you're still on the list, I've found a few of them - and would like to send them on... Gus

Ray From - National Archives Catalogue search at- http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp Sinton Green is known as Sinton in 1901 Census Piece RG 13/2775 Registration Sub-District: Leigh Civil Parish, Township or Place: Alfrick Bransford Broadwas Cotheridge Doddenham Grimley Kenswick Knightwick Leigh Lulsley North Hallow Peachley Sinton Smith End Green Suckley Wichenford Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: rayb [mailto:rayb@rayb.net] Sent: Monday, 22 August 2005 8:49 p.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] Sinton Green on the 1901 census Hi listers. I am trying to do a place search for SINTON GREEN near HALLOW on the 1901 census, Alas I am unable to find anything in Sinton Green at all. Would AKS know if Sinton Green was known by any other name in 1901? Kind regards. Ray Begley ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/

Hi Helen So does this mean that Sinton Green is another name for Leigh Sinton? I'm interested in this as many of my STOKES family had association with the place. Mind you, I'm still trying to work out which of the four separate STOKES lines this is!! Kind regards Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Verrall" <hverrall@ihug.co.nz> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: RE: [WOR] Sinton Green on the 1901 census > Ray > > From - > National Archives Catalogue search at- > http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp > > Sinton Green is known as Sinton in 1901 Census > Piece > RG 13/2775 Registration Sub-District: Leigh Civil Parish, Township or Place: > Alfrick Bransford Broadwas Cotheridge Doddenham Grimley Kenswick Knightwick > Leigh Lulsley North Hallow Peachley Sinton Smith End Green Suckley > Wichenford > > Helen > New Zealand > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rayb [mailto:rayb@rayb.net] > Sent: Monday, 22 August 2005 8:49 p.m. > To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WOR] Sinton Green on the 1901 census > > Hi listers. > > I am trying to do a place search for SINTON GREEN near HALLOW on the > 1901 census, > Alas I am unable to find anything in Sinton Green at all. > > Would AKS know if Sinton Green was known by any other name in 1901? > > Kind regards. > > Ray Begley > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hello Ray, Just had a look on Ancestry, and Sinton Green appears in the Civil Parish of Grimley. Best regards, John Kane Sapcote, Leics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rayb" <rayb@rayb.net> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: [WOR] Sinton Green on the 1901 census > Hi listers. > > I am trying to do a place search for SINTON GREEN near HALLOW on the 1901 > census, > Alas I am unable to find anything in Sinton Green at all. > > Would AKS know if Sinton Green was known by any other name in 1901? > > Kind regards. > > Ray Begley

Hi listers. I am trying to do a place search for SINTON GREEN near HALLOW on the 1901 census, Alas I am unable to find anything in Sinton Green at all. Would AKS know if Sinton Green was known by any other name in 1901? Kind regards. Ray Begley

Samuel SIMMONDS and Ann CULL Thank you, thank you, thank you to both Jules and Chris who found my Great grandparents on the 1851 Census together with their family which included my Grandfather, Edwin SIMMONDS, who was then age 2 years. I have been stuck with this branch for the last 4 years. I don't know why I never thought of asking this list before! Can I now ask if they appear on the later census returns please? Thank you, Pat in Mansfield, Notts.

Could this be Samuel's father? Pershore Stoulton Windmill Hill SIMMONDS William H M 75 Ag lab Stoulton WOR Sarah W M 69 Stoulton WOR Mary D U 49 Stoulton WOR at home Kezia D U 29 Stoulton WOR at home Benjamin S U 20 Gardener Stoulton WOR Chris --- Pat Blackwell <g.blackwell2@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hello list, > This is my first post to this list as I have just > discovered my great > grandparents lived in this area. > > Samuel SIMMONDS married Ann CULL in December 1841 in > the parish of Tardebigg > . > Samuel was a policeman and his father's name was > William. > Ann's father was Thomas. > Both were stated as full age and residence of both > given as Redditch. > > First of all am I on the correct list? > Second is anyone researching these families please? > Third can anyone find them on any census lists > please? > I have found them on the 1881 living at 25, Queen > Street, Oldbury, Worcester > > > Thank you for reading this and I hope to hear from > you soon, > Pat in Mansfield, Notts. > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

Hello Pat This looks like them in 1851 Stourbridge Upper Swinford SIMONDS Sam/l H M 33 Police Officer Stoulton WOR Ann W M 31 Bournville WAR Matilda D 8 Redditch WOR Frederick S 6 Kingsnorton WOR Sarah Jane D 4 Kingsnorton WOR Edwin S 2 Kingsnorton WOR Mary Ann D 1month Oldswinford WOR Chris --- Pat Blackwell <g.blackwell2@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hello list, > This is my first post to this list as I have just > discovered my great > grandparents lived in this area. > > Samuel SIMMONDS married Ann CULL in December 1841 in > the parish of Tardebigg > . > Samuel was a policeman and his father's name was > William. > Ann's father was Thomas. > Both were stated as full age and residence of both > given as Redditch. > > First of all am I on the correct list? > Second is anyone researching these families please? > Third can anyone find them on any census lists > please? > I have found them on the 1881 living at 25, Queen > Street, Oldbury, Worcester > > > Thank you for reading this and I hope to hear from > you soon, > Pat in Mansfield, Notts. > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

Hello list, This is my first post to this list as I have just discovered my great grandparents lived in this area. Samuel SIMMONDS married Ann CULL in December 1841 in the parish of Tardebigg . Samuel was a policeman and his father's name was William. Ann's father was Thomas. Both were stated as full age and residence of both given as Redditch. First of all am I on the correct list? Second is anyone researching these families please? Third can anyone find them on any census lists please? I have found them on the 1881 living at 25, Queen Street, Oldbury, Worcester Thank you for reading this and I hope to hear from you soon, Pat in Mansfield, Notts.

Sending images off-list Jules

If that is Samuel's father on the 1851, then Samuel was not at home in 1841: 1841 Address: Windmill Hill, Stoulton William Simmonds, 65, Ag lab, Y Jacob Simmonds, 15, Y Jacob Simmonds, 11, Y Cheers Jules

Hello Roger, Assuming that the details you gave were as per the 1861 Census, It'd seem that Elizabeth would've been William's second wife - and that they'd likely married around 1849-50. That being the case, then this family - the only one that looks even vaguely similar to yours - would seem to be them in 1851... Head: MOLE, William Neighbors 337123 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace William MOLE Head M 25 M Needlemaker Finisher Feckenham-WOR Hannah MOLE Wife M 24 F Needlemaker Finisher Bidford-WAR William H. MOLE Son - 4 M --- Feckenham-WOR Mary Ann MOLE Daur - 11 F --- Feckenham-WOR Eliza GIBBS Serv - 15 F House Servant Inkberrow-WOR Address: Astwood Bank, Alcester Census Place: Feckenham Alcester, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2075 Folio: 356 Page: 3 FHL Film: 0087344 Ignore the bulk of the Address & Census Place details - they're largely rubbish, and caused by the LDS' own interpretation of how places in England were described.... A truer version of the state of affairs would be: 1851 Census HO107 - Piece 2075 Registration District - Alcester (Warwickshire) Registration Sub-District - Feckenham (Worcestershire) Parish - Feckenham Hamlet - Astwood Bank Folio 356; Page 3 Astwood Bank lies on the A441 - effectively the WOR-WAR Boundary - but was (and still is) all in Worcestershire. In 1851 it shared a long boundary with Ipsley, Warwickshire. A walk of Ľ mile would suffice to get from one to the other. The Oldest Son was (presumably) baptised William Henry. Finally, I wonder where they were recorded in 1861, as Inkberrow is well-enough known in the Feckenham-Redditch area not to be so oddly spelled... HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger S Norris <rogersnorris@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: [WOR] MOLE - Feckenham > Hello Readers, > > I hope someone may be able to assist me with the 1851 census. > > This is the entry I have for William Mole and family in 1861 please could a > reader look for them in 1851?? > > William Mole Head Married 34 Needle Polisher > Ipsley, Warwick > Elizabeth Wife Married 22 Dye Maker > Inkerborrow > Henry Son 14 Needle Polisher Feckenham > Mary A Dau 11 Scholar Feckenham > Harvey Son 7 Scholar Feckenham > George Son 5 Scholar Inkerborrow > Herbert 9mnth Inkerborrow > > > Roger > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/77 - Release Date: 18/08/2005 > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >