Hi Listers The Swing Rioters of the early 1830's were based in many counties, but not so often in Worcestershire. In this weeks' local paper however, an article details the involvement of three Pershore men who became involved. There names were: Joseph Vale, a butcher born c1812 William Checketts, a labourer born c1812 Arthur Spruce, a labourer born c 1807 If anyone connects with these men, I would be happy to send more info from the newspaper report Jules

Sally: In 1841 most of the parish of Halesowen, including Oldbury, was a detached part of Shropshire. Only a few little bits, which you seem to have found, were in Worcestershire. The whole parish moved to Worcestershire in 1844. So look under Shropshire, HO107, piece 908. BTW, are you in touch with Cassy, who also has FRANKLINs? Good luck Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: <Sallykruczek@aol.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: [WOR] 1841 halesowen- advice please > Hello > > I'm on the 1841 and could do with a bit of advice please. > Does the only reference to Halesowen include Cradley, Lutley and Warley, > or > is there another bit hiding somewhere. Trying to find my FRANKLINs > somewhere > in Halesowen. In 1851 they were in Islington Street. > Any ideas? > > Best wishes > > Sally > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hello Ruth, This looks like Eliza and Henry in 1861, but Eliza was married to Edwin... 1861 Cencus - Rock Worcestershire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Edwin Morris abt 1828 Rock, Worcestershire, England Head Eliza Morris abt 1836 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England Wife Henry Morris abt 1859 Rock, Worcestershire, England Son Hannah Morris abt 1860 Rock, Worcestershire, England Daughter Edwin is also in the Martley Workhouse in 1871... Edwin Morris abt 1828 Brockerdge, Worcestershire, England Inmate Martley Worcestershire Best regards, John Kane Sapcote, Leics. ----- Original Message ----- From: <RufHay@aol.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:53 PM Subject: [WOR] Eliza & Henry MORRIS 1861 census > Dear Listers > > Many thanks to all of you who have kindly answered my queries about > Charles > William & Michael Joseph MORRIS, who were convicted in 1859 at Worcester & > transported in 1862. > > I have been told that there is on the 1871 census for Martley Workhouse an > Eliza MORRIS b Kidderminster aged 35, with a Henry Morris aged 12 b > Brockeridge > (1858-9) - both inmates. These could very easily be the wife and child of > Charles or Michael MORRIS. Both were said to be married with a child when > they > arrived in Australia, although they were young 24 & 25. Quite possibly > both > wives & young children were left destitute. > > Please could someone check the index for the whereabouts of Eliza & her > toddler Henry in the 1861 Worcestershire census? I would be very > grateful. > > Many thanks again, > Ruth Hayward -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005

Dear Listers You have been so generous with your look ups that I hardly dare ask again - I think after this one I will leave you all in peace for a while. I have now established that Charles MORRIS's parents were William & Jane MORRIS & they would have been in their 30s in 1851. Please could SKS check for me where they were in 1851 & 1861 if you have access to the relevant Worcestershire indexes (should that be indices??) Many thanks Ruth

Hi Ian, > > One slight problem, can't imagine there would be many > watermen/boatmen in the Claines area due to the lack of a suitable > docks/quay. Perhaps they had moved to Worcester by the time they > were arrested. > Claines had more miles of Navigable Waterway probably than ony other Parish in the County - Its Western Boundary being the River Severn, and its Northern the River Salwarpe with the Droitwich Barge Canal a touch to the south of it, while it was roughly bisected by the Worcester & Birmingham Canal. Granted it was a *little* light on Docks and Quays, but North Quay on the Severn was within 100 yards of Claines' Boundary, and half of Lowesmoor Basin and Wharf on the W&B was within it. The chances would seem quite high that we've passed one another at WorcHistCent... I'm there at least one afternoon (although the days vary) every week! Gus

Thanks for the look up John. I'm afraid these seem not to be the wife & child of Charles or MIchael! Thanks for taking the trouble. Ruth

Hello I'm on the 1841 and could do with a bit of advice please. Does the only reference to Halesowen include Cradley, Lutley and Warley, or is there another bit hiding somewhere. Trying to find my FRANKLINs somewhere in Halesowen. In 1851 they were in Islington Street. Any ideas? Best wishes Sally

On 26 Aug 2005 at 8:57, John Tysoe wrote: > Claines' population in 1841 was 3,546... > > And assuming that they had 'always' been Watermen/boatmen, then the > chances of them having been 'scholars' at the ages of 13 and 14 would > seem to be vanishingly-small :-( One slight problem, can't imagine there would be many watermen/boatmen in the Claines area due to the lack of a suitable docks/quay. Perhaps they had moved to Worcester by the time they were arrested. > OTOH, I could certainly look at that baptism in the Claines Register on > my next trip to WorcHistCent 'some time' next week, With apologies to those not local to Worcester, I wonder how many of the list members I have walked past, unknown, at Worcestershire's excellent history centre? It would be nice to put some faces to these e-mails. Best Regards, Ian Murray ex: City of Worcester now: Ross-on-Wye, Herefordshire ---------------------------------------------- Researching: (Worcestershire): ATKINS; BELL; COPE; DARKE; EATON-MULLINS; WARMAN. with small links to ALLARD, BATEMAN, EVANS, JEFF (Cumberland): BELL. (Hampshire): ADAMS, Martha. (Manchester/Southport): CHAPMAN; HUGHES; KAY. (Eastbourne): KAY. (Western Scotland - including Isles of Arran and Bute): BOYLE; CAMPBELL; CUMMINGS; DOLLAR; JOHNSTONE; KAY; KING; LYNDSAY; McLEAN; McMILLAN; MURRAY; WILSON. (Australia): MURRAY (South Africa): VAN AARDT ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This e-mail has been virus checked using Symantec Norton AntiVirus -----------------------------------------------------------------------

On 26 Aug, Brian & Janice Hughes <brianhughes@lineone.net> wrote: > I know this should probably to directed to the Staffordshire list, but I > am hoping someone on this list who knows Wordsley can help me. I have > just found Brian's Gt.Gt. Grandfather on the 1861 census living at > Wordsley but I can't make out the address it looks like Wordsley > Buckpool (it came under Kingswinford for the Census). Any ideas please? Yes it will be Buckpool in today's terms, but I think the 1861 will have it as "Bugpool", which was its original name. Much more descriptive don't you think! > Janice -- Chris Ramsbottom researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY CAMPTON, GREGORY all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day

Dear Gus, A question from the US. This "WorcHistCent" you speak of visiting for the purpose of checking various registers, would there be a register for births occurring on "Stafford Street, Dudley" in 1862 ? Actually, I have the GRO certificate of the birth itself and under the column "When and where born" it says "20th Oct 1862 - Stafford Street, Dudley". It mentions the parents names but not their birthplaces, so perhaps what I should be asking is if there is a register of baptisms for the nearest church to that address in hope of discovering the father's birthplace on that? (Hopefully they were churchgoing.) If so then I have a request for your next visit, should you be willing. The child's name is Prudence. The mother is Eliza BILLS which the 1861 census places in her parents' home at Bumblehole, Netherton, Dudley (birthplace Tipton). And (my brick wall) the father is George TIMMS, birthplace "Oxfordshire" (per 1881 census). In 1862 he had the mobile occupation of "boat steerer journeyman." I need his birth town to continue. Best regards, Juraj / Pittsburgh

Hi Listers Many thanks to everyone who helped me with the 1851/61/71 census look up's for Birch. I now have some new leads to follow and hopefully a few bricks can come tumbling down. I have thanked everyone personally. Very much appreciated. Cheers Mary Perth Australia born and bred in B'ham maryp@starwon.com.au

I know this should probably to directed to the Staffordshire list, but I am hoping someone on this list who knows Wordsley can help me. I have just found Brian's Gt.Gt. Grandfather on the 1861 census living at Wordsley but I can't make out the address it looks like Wordsley Buckpool (it came under Kingswinford for the Census). Any ideas please? Janice

Hi Ian Thanks for your message. I was interested in Claines because a Charles William Morris was baptised there 27 Jan 1839. He may well be the convict I am looking for. His father may or may not have been a boatman. I don't know Worcestershire very well but have been looking at maps & see that Martley - where Eliza & her son Henry were in the workhouse in 1871 - appears to be only about 6 miles from Claines. I imagine the wife & child of a transported convict could easily have ended up in the workhouse, so this hypothesis looks quite hopeful. Regards, Ruth

Ooooooooooooooooo.....Jan in Canada: This is Barb in Canada.............we need a location in Worcester !!! I am in Ontario, near Toronto. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Hope" <janethope1@cogeco.ca> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: [WOR] Humphries Henry Walter, > Hi > I wonder if anyone can help me I need someone to check the 1871 census to > see if there is a Henry Walter Humphries born around 1867, his father's > name was Henry too and was possible a brick layer. > I have been able to find him on the 1891, and 1881. But after that no > luck., > So any help would be appreciated, > > Thanks > > Jan in Canada. > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/

Dear Listers Many thanks to all of you who have kindly answered my queries about Charles William & Michael Joseph MORRIS, who were convicted in 1859 at Worcester & transported in 1862. I have been told that there is on the 1871 census for Martley Workhouse an Eliza MORRIS b Kidderminster aged 35, with a Henry Morris aged 12 b Brockeridge (1858-9) - both inmates. These could very easily be the wife and child of Charles or Michael MORRIS. Both were said to be married with a child when they arrived in Australia, although they were young 24 & 25. Quite possibly both wives & young children were left destitute. Please could someone check the index for the whereabouts of Eliza & her toddler Henry in the 1861 Worcestershire census? I would be very grateful. Many thanks again, Ruth Hayward

Hi I wonder if anyone can help me I need someone to check the 1871 census to see if there is a Henry Walter Humphries born around 1867, his father's name was Henry too and was possible a brick layer. I have been able to find him on the 1891, and 1881. But after that no luck., So any help would be appreciated, Thanks Jan in Canada.

Ruth There is only one Michael MORRIS in the 1851 Census Index aged 20 a Labourer in a Bakery in Old Swinford . The only Charles Morris' aged 12 years are Scholars- if the were working as Canal/Boatmen in 1851 , unless the records give their permanent place of residence , they could be anywhere on the Canal Routes. They would have been arrested where they perpetrated the crime not necessarily where they or their families lived - Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: RufHay@aol.com [mailto:RufHay@aol.com] Sent: Friday, 26 August 2005 9:44 a.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] 1851 census index look up please Dear Listers Please has anyone access to the 1851 census index for Worcester? I would like to find Charles William MORRIS (13) and Michael Joseph MORRIS (14), - ages are approximate - who were described as boatman & waterman respectively when tried at Worcester in 1859. They were transported to Australia for house breaking. Many thanks Ruth Hayward ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/

Ruth, There is no index for 1841 but I looked for both boys without any success. There are a fair number of MORRIS families but none matched for either boy, though there were a few pages virtually unreadable. Nuala ----- Original Message ----- From: <RufHay@aol.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [WOR] 1841 census, Claines > Hi Listers > > In my search for Charles William MORRIS, I have found a baptism in the IGI > for someone of that name 27 Jan 1839, in Claines. The date fits. He may or may > not be my man. Parents William & Jane. Please could someone with access to > the 1841 census index for Claines, Worcs see if a two year old Charles William > MORRIS is there? (Possibly with a 3 year old brother Michael Joseph MORRIS - > though I don't know for sure that these two were brothers). > > Many thanks again. I hope there is an index for 1841. > > Best regards, Ruth > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > For Worcestershire information see > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WOR/ > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > > >

Hello Ruth, The 1841 Census of Claines - let alone WOR - has not been indexed. Claines' population in 1841 was 3,546... And assuming that they had 'always' been Watermen/boatmen, then the chances of them having been 'scholars' at the ages of 13 and 14 would seem to be vanishingly-small :-( Do you have any closer date than '1859' for the date of their trial/conviction? It's possible there'd be a report in the local press - but reading an entire year on spec is a major undertaking :-) OTOH, I could certainly look at that baptism in the Claines Register on my next trip to WorcHistCent 'some time' next week, which should give the father's occupation and a probably-vague 'address'. Please let me know if you'd like me to - or if someone else has already offered or done it. Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: <RufHay@aol.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [WOR] 1841 census, Claines > Hi Listers > > In my search for Charles William MORRIS, I have found a baptism in the IGI > for someone of that name 27 Jan 1839, in Claines. The date fits. He may or may > not be my man. Parents William & Jane. Please could someone with access to > the 1841 census index for Claines, Worcs see if a two year old Charles William > MORRIS is there? (Possibly with a 3 year old brother Michael Joseph MORRIS - > though I don't know for sure that these two were brothers). > > Many thanks again. I hope there is an index for 1841. > > Best regards, Ruth > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > For Worcestershire information see > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WOR/ > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hi Listers In my search for Charles William MORRIS, I have found a baptism in the IGI for someone of that name 27 Jan 1839, in Claines. The date fits. He may or may not be my man. Parents William & Jane. Please could someone with access to the 1841 census index for Claines, Worcs see if a two year old Charles William MORRIS is there? (Possibly with a 3 year old brother Michael Joseph MORRIS - though I don't know for sure that these two were brothers). Many thanks again. I hope there is an index for 1841. Best regards, Ruth