Searching for any information re: William Ernest Woolley (1886-1918) and his wife Lena Felkin Woolley nee Ellis (1886, Birmingham). Last known in 1918 at Martin Hussingtree, Worcester. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi listers I'm new to this list and am trying to find a lost aunt & gt aunt from Worcestershire. I don't have a lot to go on! I am looking for a Mabel MALPAS(S) born around 1890 with a mother also called Mabel. The mother asked to be called aunt Dewdney as they both had the same christian name. I am assuming that Dewdney was the mother's maiden name. There was also a George Malpas(s) which I am assuming was Mabel junior's brother. Both Mabels died in 1949 within a week of each other. If anyone can help I'd be very greatful. Possible surname connections are:- SHAW, SWINDELLS, THORNTON, LEE, SMITH, MIDDLETON, WHITEHEAD, MELLOR, STANLEY, MASSEY, NORTH & BRITNER. Ever hopeful Sylvia Robinson nee Smith

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Paul, > St Edmund *was* a chapel of ease to St Thomas from 1611-1844, > but before 1611 it was a fully-fledged independent parish. Its parish > registers were quite separate, and survive for 1540-1611. > > I'm not sure, though, what happened in 1611. Very many thanks for that bit of information - omitted from all the sources I have readily to hand, and although WorcHistCent holds films of "St Edmund's Registers" I've never looked at them to see what they contain! At least I managed to identify the correct church :-) Gus PS. Dudley Castle Hill's final fling was to lose its Extra-Parochial Status in 1931 - when it was absorbed by St Edmund...

Roger, I have located this Baptism in the British Vital Records Index - could it be your Hannah , with father Thomas EDWARDS, Hannah Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 28 Oct 1807 Recorded in: Ribbesford, Worcestershire, England Father: Thomas EDWARDS Mother: Mary Source: FHL Film 992393 Dates: 1775 - 1812 There is another for an Ann a little later EDWARDS, Ann Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 20 Sep 1818 Recorded in: Ribbesford, Worcestershire, England Father: Thomas EDWARDS Mother: Sarah Source: FHL Film 992391 Dates: 1813 - 1832 NB Hannah's have been recorded as Ann in many of my family records! Now marriages that possibly could be her parent's - EDWARDS, Thomas Marriage Wife: Mary SHINTON Marriage Date: 17 Apr 1797 Recorded in: Ribbesford, Worcestershire, England Source: FHL Film 992393 Dates: 1775 - 1812 EDWARDS, Thomas Marriage Wife: Sarah HARDWICK Marriage Date: 27 Oct 1815 Recorded in: Ribbesford, Worcestershire, England Source: FHL Film 992391 Dates: 1813 - 1832 hth Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Roger Lewis [mailto:roger@lewisrg-jn.supanet.com] Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2005 9:40 p.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} EDWARDS Hannah EDWARDS was born around 1811 in Bewdley. Father was Thomas EDWARDS. Have so far not been able to find her Baptism. There are one or two Thomas Edward marriages that could be her father, but not sure. Anyone any ideas where to search, Have looked in Ribbesford, but unless I missed it no luck so far Roger Lewis This message was checked by MailScan for WorkgroupMail. www.workgroupmail.com

Gus: > > Dudley was blessed with 6 CofE Churches/Parishes: > St Thomas - the 'historical' parish, from which were created later: > St Edmund (1844) > St James the Great, Eve Hill (1844) > St John, Kates Hill (1844) > St Luke (1876) > St Augustine, Holly Hall (1884) > St Edmund, though, merely returned itself as "pre-1800" - so I'd guess that > it is the 'other parish church', but it was really no more than a Chapel > of > Ease of St Thomas until 1844. > Not entirely. St Edmund *was* a chapel of ease to St Thomas from 1611-1844 , but before 1611 it was a fully-fledged independent parish. Its parish registers were quite separate, and survive for 1540-1611. I'm not sure, though, what happened in 1611. Best wishes Paul Prescott

Hello from a new lister. I am hoping to find out if Bracebridge House, where my great grandfather Arthur Danby lived from 1904 until his death in 1926, was at that time no.1 Chester Road Kidderminster. If anyone would be prepared to look up any of the available electoral rolls for that period, it would help solve an ongoing mystery and be much appreciated. Regards, Geraldine Morris _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk

Just to let you all know that the following has recently been added to parishmouse: First batch of graves for Stoke Prior First batch of graves for Tardebigge Also added, although not Worcestershire, St Pauls in the Jewellery Quarter, Birmingham together with the first batch of graves. There will be more updates over the next few days. Good Hunting Sally www.parishmouse.com

Thanks for that Jean..... I'm pretty good on Black Country Boundaries up to 1966, but since then it's all gone rather Hazy up there when seen from 20-odd miles away :-) But my two cats stoutly maintain they were born in Tipton - and looked blank when I told them that they were *really* born in Sandwell... (Fortunately they don't follow after Tipton's Greatest Hero - "The Slasher") Gus PS I'd better stop replying to the List after this one as it's Outside the Geographical Remit, and I don't want to attract the wrath of The Kindly Listowner..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Jean Morgan <jean@jeanmorgan.org> To: 'John Tysoe' <gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk>; <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: RE: [WOR] BILLS, William & Mary marriage record > > I don't know "where" Tipton is now - it could well be an > > Independent People's Republic for all I know, although it may > > be a part of Dudley :-) > > You'll need a Native Guide here.... > > Tipton is in the borough of Sandwell (formerly known as West Bromwich) > > > Regards > > Jean > > >

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> -----Original Message----- > From: John Tysoe [mailto:gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: 07 September 2005 08:17 > To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WOR] BILLS, William & Mary marriage record > I don't know "where" Tipton is now - it could well be an > Independent People's Republic for all I know, although it may > be a part of Dudley :-) > You'll need a Native Guide here.... Tipton is in the borough of Sandwell (formerly known as West Bromwich) Regards Jean

does any one know anything about mary ann shipperley in birmingham area 1913 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk

Hi Nigel, > I seem to recall to recall that there was a bit of Staffordshire > in the Worcestershire island of Dudley that was in Staffordshire, > hence the two parish churches in Dudley. I think that bit was actually the Extra-Parochial "Dudley Castle Hill", which was (from time to time) itself an Offshore Island of Dudley !!! Despite being STS, its single house was included as WOR in the 1841 and 1851 Censuses. In 1865 it was brought within (although off-shore) Dudley Borough and transferred to WOR - but when the "New" Borough of Dudley was established in 1889 it was omitted (and promptly reverted to STS). It finally came home to roost in WOR when it and its surrounding bit of Coseley were brought within the expended boundary of Dudley Borough - and Dudley Castle Hill was Administratively Abolished once and for all - appropriately enough on All Fools' Day 1929. I'm not so sure about the two Parish Churches though..... According to the Statistical Summaries to the 1901 Census (where the Ecclesiastical Parishes of the Ancient [ie pre-1844] County were listed in some detail) Dudley was blessed with 6 CofE Churches/Parishes: St Thomas - the 'historical' parish, from which were created later: St Edmund (1844) St James the Great, Eve Hill (1844) St John, Kates Hill (1844) St Luke (1876) St Augustine, Holly Hall (1884) The 3 1844 ones (plus Netherton St Andrew) were all described as "District Churches" in the Census of Ecclesiastical Worship of 1851, and (with the exception of St Edmund) noted as being consecrated in 1840. St Edmund, though, merely returned itself as "pre-1800" - so I'd guess that it is the 'other parish church', but it was really no more than a Chapel of Ease of St Thomas until 1844. A Strange Lot our ancestors - and possibly even Stranger when they were from the Black Country!!!!! Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Nigel Brown <nigel-brown@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: [WOR] We aim to confuse...

Hi Juraj, You're Getting There ..... :-) > Dudley WAS an "island" belonging to WOR surrounded by STS. YES (Until 1966, when it was transferred to STS amid many Lamentations by the Labour Government of the day.) > Tipton WAS a part of Dudley Registration District in 1839 but IS and WAS really in STS. YES (Until 1973, when the greatly-unloved "Metropolitan County of West Midlands" was created - by the Conservative Government.) > Now both are part of West Midlands County. Well - er - not QUITE... West Midlands did a Yugoslavia in the later 1990s (albeit without TOO much Ethnic Cleansing). The Newer Conservative Government of the day saw that its predecessors had made a Total Pig's Ear in creating WMC, and so split it up. I don't know "where" Tipton is now - it could well be an Independent People's Republic for all I know, although it may be a part of Dudley :-) You'll need a Native Guide here.... > There's a church on a hill in Dudley with a tunneled passage ending in a pub I'll have to Pass on this one.... Netherton Church is *certainly* on a hill, but it wasn't built until c.1840 - one of my Happier Views when working at the Steelworks in the late 60s was to look across the railway lines and to see the church standing out on the skyline... But I can't speak for Dudley St Thomas. > a two mile subterranean canal without a towpath. YES (up to a point) - for the Dudley No 1 Canal Tunnel is actually only 3172 yards long (and is WELL worth a trip into, starting from the Black Country Museum**) but it's almost matched by the Dudley No 2 Canal Tunnel that's 145 yards shorter - yet has 2 towpaths! The Black Country is marvellous, despite its sad Decline - and the Natives are Friendly. My Major Holidays for the past 4 years have been to Brierley Hill or Oldbury - with Winter Breaks at Smethwick... THIS from one born, grown up, and lived all my life within 10 miles of Worcester Cross! Gus ** The Other End is just below The White Swan ("Ma Pardoe's") - even today still a Place of Pilgrimage. The Black Country Museum is worth the trip WITHOUT going into the Tunnel, especially on a day when the Exhibits are In Steam... [A working Newcomen Engine is probably the High Point - but you'd need to spend at least a whole day there (NOT an Advert!)]

Juraj, -----Original Message-----Well Juraj, that's what makes us the BLACK COUNTRY. We aim to confuse at every step.----- And there's lots more of it. For example, until 1844 Cradley was part of the parish of Halesowen. Halesowen until that time was a detached part of Shropshire in Worcestershire, while Cradley was always firmly in Worcestershire. And I seem to recall to recall that there was a bit of Staffordshire in the Worcestershire island of Dudley that was in Staffordshire, hence the two parish churches in Dudley. It doesn't make sense, but we like it like that. Incidentally, when the Anglican Cradley Chapel (once a Baptist Chapel) became a Parish Church in its own right in 1844 someone omitted to dedicate it to a saint, an error that was not put right until its centenary in 1898 (on Wednesday June 29th at 7.30pm!). As Doreen says, we aim to confuse. Nigel Brown ENG-WOR-CRADLEY-L@rootsweb.com

The surnames I am researching are: Halesowen and surrounding area TAYLOR - Richard TAYLOR Judith ? - ca 1735 Children: Judith b. 1737; Bettey b. 1739; Elizabeth b 1736; Mark b 1744; Sarah b. 1742; William b 1747....... and ..... Richard TAYLOR b. 1750 who m Ann WRIGHT - 24 Sep 1770 Children: Judith b. 1772; Richard b. 1778; William b. 1779; Thomas b. 1781 m Martha Cooksey, a widow; John b. 1783 m Jane WRIGHT; Henry b. 1786 ....and Sarah TAYLOR b. 1774 m Benjamin WHITE - 20 Aug 1792. Children: Ann b. 1793; Phoebe b. 1795; Richard b. 1797; Mary Ann b. 1802; Phebe b. 1804 m William Henry ROSE 5 Apr 1824; Judith b. 1806; Benjamin b. 1811; Richard Taylor b. 1818.....and Sarah WHITE m George MOSELEY- 25 Jan 1818 (St. Martin Parish, Birmingham, Warwick - they lived in Halesowen) Children: Benjamin White b. 1818; Mary Ann b. 1820 m Francis THOMAS 11 Nov 1838 (Birmingham); George Moseley b. 1822 m 1/w Elizabeth GROVE 15 Nov 1859, m 2/w Eliza SIVITER 15 Nov 1859; William b. 1823 m Charlotte RANDLE 10 Jan 1852; Sarah b. 1829; John b. 1830 m Hannah COCKEN 27 May 1855 (Dudley); Charles Richard b. 1832 m. Mary PEARMAN 5 Jun 1860; Hannah Ann b. 1835 m Edwin HAIR 10 Jul 1860 (Birmingham) 2/h William Andrew Brown 23 Jun 1885, Ness City, Ness, Kansas, USA I am interested in any information about the descendants of the above named families. Ruth Hair

Hello John, According to Ancestry it's RG9/2093. Can I help? Best regards, John Kane Sapcote, Leics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "john richardson" <jjminfiek@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: [WOR] 1861 census > Hello list, > > is there someone out there that knows the piece number for the BLOCKHOUSE > area of Worcester in the 1861 census? > > Thank you > > John > Eaton Socon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 31/08/2005

Thanks Nuala & Linda, That locates all the HIDE family upto 1851 except Jane (b1827) who married Thomas Baker about 1849 in Worcester and had a child, Jane Frances (b1850). I have located the family in the 1871 census who had moved to Liverpool by then but have not been able to located them in the 1861 census, other than Cornelius who was lodging in West Bromwich. I guess they may have either been missed or mis-transcribed. If you need any look-ups at Liverpool Record archives let me know. kindest regards, Al from Wirral

Well Juraj, that's what makes us the BLACK COUNTRY. We aim to confuse at every step. (vbg) Good Luck, Doreen

Hello list, is there someone out there that knows the piece number for the BLOCKHOUSE area of Worcester in the 1861 census? Thank you John Eaton Socon