Hi Keith The Romans certainly exploited Droitwich's Brine Well(s) - and built several roads to them - but they actually took-over a pre-existing and fairly-flourishing industry. But they did rename the place Salinae. Droitwich salt was 'exported' quite widely, in 'crudely-made coarse pottery vessels' that've been found ovver much of the South-West. Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: The Houghtons <keithnh@bigpond.net.au> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:37 PM Subject: [WOR] Salt Mines > Gus Tysoe's reference to salt being produced at Droitwich for 2000 years > jogged a schoolboy memory from Latin classes in Bromsgrove some 50 years > ago. I seem to recall that the Romans discovered this useful commodity, and > that the Latin name for Droitwich was Salinium. > > Best wishes from Sydney (Oz) > Keith Houghton > > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >

Paul, I knew that there were Rock Salt deposits at Stoke Prior - for that was where John Corbett established his very-expensive saltworks. But I'd always believed that he extracted the salt by pumping down steam (or boiling water) rather than that there were every any actual mines there. "A day without a new fact learned is a Wasted day..." Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Prescott <paul@toranean.demon.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] salt mines > John, Bev: > > A useful distinction. But there were actual mines of rock salt, not brine, > at nearby Stoke Prior. As always, Google can supply references. > > Best wishes > > Paul Prescott > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Tysoe" <gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 2:50 PM > Subject: Re: [WOR] salt mines > > > > Hi Bev, > > > > Don't know of any salt MINES in WOR - but Droitwich (some 7 miles from > > Worcester City Centre) stands on Brine Wells. > > > > The water was boiled dry to produce salt for over 2,000 years - and > > conditions in the saltworks were pretty grim.... > > > > HTH > > > > Gus > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bev Nethercote <plumpton2@dodo.com.au> > > To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 2:34 PM > > Subject: [WOR] salt mines > > > > > >> Hi list > >> > >> This is a vague query but don't have much information. > >> > >> On my great grandmother's birth certificate her father Thomas Turner, was > > listed as being born in Worcestershire. This would have been about 1837. I > > know this county is small in comparison to Australian shires but where do > > I > > start looking? > >> > >> We have a photo of Thomas with a very full beard and the family story is > > that he grew the beard because his teeth were knocked out in the salt > > mines > > before leaving England. So are there salt mines in Worcestershire, and if > > so > > where? > >> > >> Bev Nethercote > >> Kerang, Victoria, Aust > >> > >> > >> ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > >> Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > >> for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > >> UK Census on-line > >> http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > > FreeREG Project: parish register database > > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > > > UK Census on-line > > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >

Gus Tysoe's reference to salt being produced at Droitwich for 2000 years jogged a schoolboy memory from Latin classes in Bromsgrove some 50 years ago. I seem to recall that the Romans discovered this useful commodity, and that the Latin name for Droitwich was Salinium. Best wishes from Sydney (Oz) Keith Houghton

G'day Nick, The Worcs 1851 is available from S&N Genealogy Supplies at http://www.genealogysupplies.com/ . It's transcribed, indexed & fully searchable, a great resource. I've had mine for about 3 years & it's been invaluable. Regards from Malcolm Platt-Grigg. Participant in Grigg DNA Project http://www.familytreedna.com/ Researching: GRIGG Halesowen, Harborne, Birmingham PLATT Wednesbury, Darlaston http://www.platt-grigg.accessgenealogy.com/ http://uk-transcriptions.accessgenealogy.com -----Original Message----- From: Nicholas Fitzpatrick [mailto:nfitz@sentex.net] Sent: Monday, 26 September 2005 1:51 AM To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] Availability of 1841 and 1851 census for Worcestershire Hmm, I'm quite intersted by the posts recently about the availability of the 1841 census at http://www.originsnetwork.com I'll have to check this out! For 1861 to 1901 I generally use http://www.ancestry.co.uk/ But does anyone have any suggestions for 1851? Does anyone have the index and images available on-line? If not, what is the best source for them elsewhere (CD I assume). I have far too many folks I've traced back to 1861 to be relying on kind souls for 1851, in Worcestershire! Research in Worcestershire - Smith, Hyde, Griffin, Greening, Gordon, Haywood, Vine, May, Portman, Anderson, Stokes - there's a complete list of names on my site at: http://fitzpatrick.treeshare.com/indilist.php?alpha=A&surname_sublist=no&sho w_all=yes Nick

Hi list This is a vague query but don't have much information. On my great grandmother's birth certificate her father Thomas Turner, was listed as being born in Worcestershire. This would have been about 1837. I know this county is small in comparison to Australian shires but where do I start looking? We have a photo of Thomas with a very full beard and the family story is that he grew the beard because his teeth were knocked out in the salt mines before leaving England. So are there salt mines in Worcestershire, and if so where? Bev Nethercote Kerang, Victoria, Aust

Hello, Mary TURNER and William BEACH were married somewhere in Warwickshire or Worcestershire in 1805-1809, but I haven't found their marriage record. Has anyone compiled a comprehensive index of marriages in the area? Mary TURNER was baptized in Snitterfield, Warwickshire on 1 July 1787, the daughter of William TURNER and Sarah NICHOLS. William BEACH was born in Evesham, Worcestershire in 1784-1785. Thanks a lot, Walt in Florida.

G'day Lynne, On the Worcs 1851, there's 2 Wyer families in the Knighton area. At Cross Street, Tenbury, there's John & Elizabeth Wyer, with Richard Wyer (brother) & John Wyer (apprentice). At Knighton Common, there's Edward & Mary Wyer & children. There's a Stoney Cross in Knighton, occupied by John & Sarah Payne. If you would like any more details, just let me know. Regards from Malcolm Platt-Grigg. Participant in Grigg DNA Project http://www.familytreedna.com/ Researching: GRIGG Halesowen, Harborne, Birmingham PLATT Wednesbury, Darlaston http://www.platt-grigg.accessgenealogy.com/ http://uk-transcriptions.accessgenealogy.com -----Original Message----- From: lynn paterson [mailto:lynnpaterson6@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 25 September 2005 10:18 PM To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] Re: OLIVER Marden, Knighton on Teme and Lindridge Hi Listers, Would anyone out there be researching any OLIVER families in these area's? or possibly anywhere on the Shropshire/Worcestershire/Herefordshire border around Burford. I know from family wills that my WYER family owned these two houses and the land with them. STONEY CROSS - KNIGHTON ON TEME Worcestershire TURNPIKE HOLBATCH FOLLY or (Rose Cottage)- MARDEN Herefordshire Both properties occupied by OLIVER families in 1841, hence trying to find the connection and how they came into the possesion of my WYER family. Many Thanks, Lynn Paterson researching WYER Shrop, Worc, Heref, Warks. ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Mal Platt-Grigg wrote: > G'day Nick, > The Worcs 1851 is available from S&N Genealogy Supplies at > http://www.genealogysupplies.com/ . It's transcribed, indexed & fully > searchable, a great resource. > I've had mine for about 3 years & it's been invaluable. > Regards from Malcolm Platt-Grigg. I looked on their web-site ... does this include the census images? I got the impression from their website that there were two products. One the transcription, and the other the images ... and that the images weren't yet available (pre-order only). Thanks, Nick

Hello, I'm new to to this list, and will confess that I know next to nothing about Worcestershire. My research interests are principally in Wales, but by tracking back I have found the parents of my gt.gt.grandfather James Smith were born in Worcestershire. James was born in Tewkesbury about 1836 and died in village south of Caernarfon in 1913, so he travelled a long way! His parents were James Smith born about 1801 in Evesham and Lucy Millard born between 1807-1811 in Westmancote. These dates are based on ages in the various censuses. I think that they were in Tewkesbury by about 1832 (based on the stated place of birth of what I think is their eldest child). I am really looking for any information about their baptisms, and parents or their marriage. Unfortunately I have no idea whether they married in Worcestershire or in Tewkesbury or somewhere else. The only other piece of information that I have is that as an adult James was a Tallow Chandler. Any help or ideas of where to look would be most gratefully received. Kind regards Megan Roberts

Some of the 1851 Census is on line at Ancestry.co.uk. It doesn't show up in the list of databases, but if you do a search on an individual or family name covering that period it should show up in the results page. Its not the full census, just a sample, so I can find some of my family on it but not others. The description tells you how big a sample it is by county. Regards Megan >From: "jlangdell" <jlangdell@supanet.com> >To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [WOR] Availability of 1841 and 1851 census for Worcestershire >Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:18:36 +0100 > >Hello Nick, > >In the latest Family Tree Magazine there is an advert for Ancestry which >says that the 1851 census is coming on line soon. > >Regards >Jean > > > > Hmm, I'm quite intersted by the posts recently about the > > availability of the 1841 census at http://www.originsnetwork.com > > I'll have to check this out! > > > > For 1861 to 1901 I generally use http://www.ancestry.co.uk/ > > > > But does anyone have any suggestions for 1851? Does anyone have > > the index and images available on-line? If not, what is the best > > source for them elsewhere (CD I assume). I have far too many > > folks I've traced back to 1861 to be relying on kind souls for 1851, in > > Worcestershire! > > > > Research in Worcestershire - Smith, Hyde, Griffin, Greening, Gordon, > > Haywood, Vine, May, Portman, Anderson, Stokes - there's a complete list >of > > names on my site at: > > >http://fitzpatrick.treeshare.com/indilist.php?alpha=A&surname_sublist=no&sho >w_all=yes > > > > Nick > > > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > > FreeREG Project: parish register database > > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > > > UK Census on-line > > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > >==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== >FreeREG Project: parish register database >http://freereg.rootsweb.com > >UK Census on-line >http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ >

If you do a search on "salt mines UK" you'll find all kinds of information on this. Re Thomas Turner, you say he was born "around 1837." FreeBMD has six Thomas Turner names born during 1838. If born before mid-1837 he would not have been registered, but you might find him in IGI. Happy hunting! Diana Robinson (nee Gardner) Now in Rochester, NY, USA -----Original Message----- From: Bev Nethercote [mailto:plumpton2@dodo.com.au] Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 9:35 AM To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: salt mines Hi list This is a vague query but don't have much information. On my great grandmother's birth certificate her father Thomas Turner, was listed as being born in Worcestershire. This would have been about 1837. I know this county is small in comparison to Australian shires but where do I start looking? We have a photo of Thomas with a very full beard and the family story is that he grew the beard because his teeth were knocked out in the salt mines before leaving England. So are there salt mines in Worcestershire, and if so where? Bev Nethercote Kerang, Victoria, Aust ______________________________

Hello Nick, In the latest Family Tree Magazine there is an advert for Ancestry which says that the 1851 census is coming on line soon. Regards Jean > Hmm, I'm quite intersted by the posts recently about the > availability of the 1841 census at http://www.originsnetwork.com > I'll have to check this out! > > For 1861 to 1901 I generally use http://www.ancestry.co.uk/ > > But does anyone have any suggestions for 1851? Does anyone have > the index and images available on-line? If not, what is the best > source for them elsewhere (CD I assume). I have far too many > folks I've traced back to 1861 to be relying on kind souls for 1851, in > Worcestershire! > > Research in Worcestershire - Smith, Hyde, Griffin, Greening, Gordon, > Haywood, Vine, May, Portman, Anderson, Stokes - there's a complete list of > names on my site at: > http://fitzpatrick.treeshare.com/indilist.php?alpha=A&surname_sublist=no&sho w_all=yes > > Nick > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >

John, Bev: A useful distinction. But there were actual mines of rock salt, not brine, at nearby Stoke Prior. As always, Google can supply references. Best wishes Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tysoe" <gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] salt mines > Hi Bev, > > Don't know of any salt MINES in WOR - but Droitwich (some 7 miles from > Worcester City Centre) stands on Brine Wells. > > The water was boiled dry to produce salt for over 2,000 years - and > conditions in the saltworks were pretty grim.... > > HTH > > Gus > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bev Nethercote <plumpton2@dodo.com.au> > To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 2:34 PM > Subject: [WOR] salt mines > > >> Hi list >> >> This is a vague query but don't have much information. >> >> On my great grandmother's birth certificate her father Thomas Turner, was > listed as being born in Worcestershire. This would have been about 1837. I > know this county is small in comparison to Australian shires but where do > I > start looking? >> >> We have a photo of Thomas with a very full beard and the family story is > that he grew the beard because his teeth were knocked out in the salt > mines > before leaving England. So are there salt mines in Worcestershire, and if > so > where? >> >> Bev Nethercote >> Kerang, Victoria, Aust >> >> >> ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== >> Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG >> for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com >> UK Census on-line >> http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ >> >> > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >

Stephen Have located in 1851 census Transcript a Daniel REED - aged 36 Born Worcester living Windmill Village of Walcoot. ( Wife Eliza aged 27 born Broughton/WOR ) Sounds as though could be the earlier entry for the 1871 one you have !! except for this person age would be 57 in 1871 , If you would like the dull details pse ask !! The only other Daniel is READ - son of Joseph , aged 38 Unmarried born Kingswinford, and living Wordsley in 1851 ! The only Daniel REED on the 1841 Worcestershire census is HO107/1206 Folio 17 Page 10 District Pershore Township Walcot cum Membris : Sched: Broughton. REED Daniel aged 20 Born in County The entry preceding his, is for Eliza REED aged 17 Born In County - though appears as part of ALLARD Household - perhaps they were already married but living in separate households for economic reasons !! hth Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: SReid17786@aol.com [mailto:SReid17786@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, 25 September 2005 12:16 a.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] Daniel Read (Reid) 1841 / 1851 Does anyone have access to the 1841and / or 1851 census and visibility of Daniel Read (Reid / Reed) please? Some documents indicate that he was born in 1831 in Stoulton. Others suggest that he may have been born in 1819. He is not present on the 1861 census and is dead by the time of the 1881 census. In 1871 there is a Daniel Read living at Windmill Hill Stoulton, aged 40 (allegedly). A marriage certificate gives his father's name as Thomas. All help gratefully received! Thank you Stephen Reid ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== For Worcestershire information see http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WOR/ UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/

Bev: Yes, there were salt mines in Worcestershire at Droitwich. Try "Droitwich, salt" on Google for lots of references. Good luck Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev Nethercote" <plumpton2@dodo.com.au> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: [WOR] salt mines > Hi list > > This is a vague query but don't have much information. > > On my great grandmother's birth certificate her father Thomas Turner, was > listed as being born in Worcestershire. This would have been about 1837. I > know this county is small in comparison to Australian shires but where do > I start looking? > > We have a photo of Thomas with a very full beard and the family story is > that he grew the beard because his teeth were knocked out in the salt > mines before leaving England. So are there salt mines in Worcestershire, > and if so where? > > Bev Nethercote > Kerang, Victoria, Aust > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hi Bev, Don't know of any salt MINES in WOR - but Droitwich (some 7 miles from Worcester City Centre) stands on Brine Wells. The water was boiled dry to produce salt for over 2,000 years - and conditions in the saltworks were pretty grim.... HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Bev Nethercote <plumpton2@dodo.com.au> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: [WOR] salt mines > Hi list > > This is a vague query but don't have much information. > > On my great grandmother's birth certificate her father Thomas Turner, was listed as being born in Worcestershire. This would have been about 1837. I know this county is small in comparison to Australian shires but where do I start looking? > > We have a photo of Thomas with a very full beard and the family story is that he grew the beard because his teeth were knocked out in the salt mines before leaving England. So are there salt mines in Worcestershire, and if so where? > > Bev Nethercote > Kerang, Victoria, Aust > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hi Malcolm, Thanks for that, I actually have the 1851 but not indexed so I guess I need to get it out and have another look. The Edward and Mary at Knighton Common are mine, I thought they were at 'Stoney Cross' in 1851, so now I have to work out who the Payne family are living there. This means the property did not change hands to my family till after 1851. Many thanks for your help Lynn Paterson >G'day Lynne, >On the Worcs 1851, there's 2 Wyer families in the Knighton area. >At Cross Street, Tenbury, there's John & Elizabeth Wyer, with Richard Wyer >(brother) & John Wyer (apprentice). >At Knighton Common, there's Edward & Mary Wyer & children. >There's a Stoney Cross in Knighton, occupied by John & Sarah Payne. >If you would like any more details, just let me know. >Regards from Malcolm Platt-Grigg.

Hi Listers, Would anyone out there be researching any OLIVER families in these area's? or possibly anywhere on the Shropshire/Worcestershire/Herefordshire border around Burford. I know from family wills that my WYER family owned these two houses and the land with them. STONEY CROSS - KNIGHTON ON TEME Worcestershire TURNPIKE HOLBATCH FOLLY or (Rose Cottage)- MARDEN Herefordshire Both properties occupied by OLIVER families in 1841, hence trying to find the connection and how they came into the possesion of my WYER family. Many Thanks, Lynn Paterson researching WYER Shrop, Worc, Heref, Warks.

Hi Stephen, It appears there was only one Daniel Reed in Worcestershire 1841 so that makes it easier. 1841 and 1861 census images sent off list. All the best Lynn Paterson researching WYER Stephen wrote; >Does anyone have access to the 1841and / or 1851 census and visibility of >Daniel Read (Reid / Reed) please?

Hmm, I'm quite intersted by the posts recently about the availability of the 1841 census at http://www.originsnetwork.com I'll have to check this out! For 1861 to 1901 I generally use http://www.ancestry.co.uk/ But does anyone have any suggestions for 1851? Does anyone have the index and images available on-line? If not, what is the best source for them elsewhere (CD I assume). I have far too many folks I've traced back to 1861 to be relying on kind souls for 1851, in Worcestershire! Research in Worcestershire - Smith, Hyde, Griffin, Greening, Gordon, Haywood, Vine, May, Portman, Anderson, Stokes - there's a complete list of names on my site at: http://fitzpatrick.treeshare.com/indilist.php?alpha=A&surname_sublist=no&show_all=yes Nick