G'day Gus & Louise A "puddler" is in the iron smelting business. Who's job it was to "puddle" the iron to allow some of the carbon present in the mixture to 'burn-off" in the air to make "wrought iron". This was not as brittle as "cast iron". We use "iron" & "steel" interchangeably today, but they are in fact two distinct metals ! Cheers Col ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tysoe" <gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 9:26 PM Subject: [WOR] Re: EDWARDS/PLANT > Hi Louise, > > I'd not really expected to find it....!! > > But I'd guess that the two couples were very likely Friends - or at least > 2 > of the 4 were - for it seems strange for two couples to turn up on the > same > day without having witnesses with them, and to use each other for the > purpose. (OK, a fair number WOULD so arrive, but they'd be more likely to > have the Parish Clerk (perhaps with his wife) as their witnesses, rather > than 'total' strangers. > > > I can think of two sorts of Puddler, both of which could probably be found > in that area: > a) in the steel-making trade (although what they actually DID I don't > know); and > b) in canal-building and repairing, where 'puddle' was the watertight > clay > lining of the canal bed and sides. [There were a LOT of Canals in the > area...]. > > In view of the *Other* Couple's family occupations, I'd tend to suspect > that > (b) might be the more likely. > > > You mentioned in your first posting that Edwin and his father were > Painters. > Do you have 'several' reports of them in that trade? For I take your point > that there could've been a misdescription - or mistranscription - in the > Other Records. > > Again, for such things as Censuses, 'Occupation' was taken as being "What > were you employed at Last Week?" rather than "What were you 'trained' to > do?" - which can produce some anomalous results at times. With Edwin > signing > his name with some confidence, I'd imagine he'd also be able to read his > (and his father's) occupation as it was shown on the Certificate, and > could > well have commented that it was wrong. > > Free-wheeling thinking here :-) > > Gus > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Louise Reynolds <louise@planetlighting.com> > To: John Tysoe <gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk>; <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 8:57 AM > Subject: EDWARDS/PLANT > > >> Hello Gus, >> >> Thankyou so much. Great news that the reg. was at WHC. I had also been >> wondering about Benjamin Hall and Ann Dunn - as far as I can tell, not >> related to either side. My GRO Certificate lists Minister's last name as >> Browne, although the initials are hard to decipher. No wonder we have so >> many problems in this great hobby of ours. >> >> However, your news that the Puddler occupation is correct is bad news. >> Alas! Will post a general query to list regarding this. >> >> Many thanks again, >> >> Louise >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Tysoe" <gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk> >> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [WOR] New Lister - EDWARDS/PLANT >> >> >> > Hi Louise, >> > >> > To my Sue-Per-Late-Ive Surprise, WorcHistCent DOES hold the (or at >> > least >> > some of the) Registers of Dudley St James... >> > >> > And that Marriage entry was more surprising than most! >> > >> > >> > Dudley St James - Marriages Register >> > Page 19; Number 37 - 1871 Jan 17 [the first of 2 marriages that day] >> > By Banns; by I E C BOURNE >> > [very dubious transcription, this - his signature was almost >> > illegible!] >> > Edwin EDWARDS, 21, Bachelor, Puddler, Dudley >> > s/o John, Puddler >> > Elizabeth Hickman PLANT, Spinster, -, Dudley >> > d/o Joseph, Clerk >> > Witnesses: Benjamin HALL & Ann DUNN >> > [All 4 signed] >> > >> > The intriguing bit was the *second* marriage the same day... >> > >> > Page 19; Number 38 - 1871 Jan 17 >> > By Banns; by I E C BOURNE [etc...] >> > Benjamin HALL , 21, Bachelor, Bridge Stocker, Dudley >> > s/o Joseph, Bridge Stocker >> > Ann DUNN, 20, Spinster, -, >> > d/o Noah, Boat Loader >> > Witnesses: Edwin EDWARDS & Elizabeth Hickman PLANT [All 4 signed] >> > - Elizabeth - although married by then - signed her maiden name... >> > >> > Were they Relatives - or were the two couples 'just friends' ??? >> > >> > >> > The Occupations were as your certificate - very clearly written. >> > The only Doubtful Part was the name of the Minister... >> > >> > Gus >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== >> > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG >> > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com >> > UK Census on-line >> > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > > > __________ NOD32 1.1240 (20051003) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

G'day Jan, On the Worcs 1851 census, Eardiston House is occupied by Susan Smith, Baronet's wife. Listed are also her children & servants. If you would like the full transcript just let me know. Regards from Malcolm Platt-Grigg. Participant in Grigg DNA Project http://www.familytreedna.com/ Researching: GRIGG Halesowen, Harborne, Birmingham PLATT Wednesbury, Darlaston > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Senior [mailto:rsen4383@bigpond.net.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2005 3:38 PM > To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WOR] Re : Eardiston House or Manor > > Hello Listers, > > Would anyone be able to tell me the history of Eardiston House or Manor at > Eardiston please. I believe it belonged to Sir William Smith and his > family in the middle 1800's but I know very little else about it. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Regards > > Jan from Sydney

Gus and Louise In Littlebury's 1873 Worcestershire Directory - The Vicar of St James Dudley is listed as Rev. John George Cotton BROWNE ( may be COTTON-BROWNE ) ( of course it may have the Curate who officiated at the Marriage. In Kelly's 1870 the incumbent is listed !! ( BTW The Incumbent of St Thomas' Dudley ,for the same period ,is a Rev John BROWNE!! Bet that made Archdeaconry meetings difficult !! ( both directories published on CD by Archive CD Books) www.archivecdbooks.org Happy Hunting Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: John Tysoe [mailto:gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2005 7:06 p.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WOR] New Lister - EDWARDS/PLANT Hi Louise, To my Sue-Per-Late-Ive Surprise, WorcHistCent DOES hold the (or at least some of the) Registers of Dudley St James... And that Marriage entry was more surprising than most! Dudley St James - Marriages Register Page 19; Number 37 - 1871 Jan 17 [the first of 2 marriages that day] By Banns; by I E C BOURNE [very dubious transcription, this - his signature was almost illegible!] Edwin EDWARDS, 21, Bachelor, Puddler, Dudley s/o John, Puddler Elizabeth Hickman PLANT, Spinster, -, Dudley d/o Joseph, Clerk Witnesses: Benjamin HALL & Ann DUNN [All 4 signed] The intriguing bit was the *second* marriage the same day... Page 19; Number 38 - 1871 Jan 17 By Banns; by I E C BOURNE [etc...] Benjamin HALL , 21, Bachelor, Bridge Stocker, Dudley s/o Joseph, Bridge Stocker Ann DUNN, 20, Spinster, -, d/o Noah, Boat Loader Witnesses: Edwin EDWARDS & Elizabeth Hickman PLANT [All 4 signed] - Elizabeth - although married by then - signed her maiden name... Were they Relatives - or were the two couples 'just friends' ??? The Occupations were as your certificate - very clearly written. The only Doubtful Part was the name of the Minister... Gus ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/

Hi Veronica Both Alice and Harriet are still at the Chequers Inn. copy of page sent off list. Could not find Frank though. Davihey Nottingham UK 1861 Street index Staffordshire at http://genealogy.heydon.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Veronica" <davron03@dodo.com.au> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: [WOR] 1901 Census lookup/Image > Hi Listers > > In 1871 and 1881 Census records members of the Trow family were living at Chequers Inn, Elmley Lovett, with Martha Henney (their grandmother). It appears that the family remained at Chequers Inn for many years. > > If SKS has the 1901 Census could I have a lookup done for Harriett Trow (born 1870 Elmley Lovett) and Alice Trow (born 1864 Stratford on Avon, Warwick)? > > I am hoping they will be living there with other family members. Their brother Frank is listed in the 1920s directory as still having the Inn. > > Regards > > > Veronica > Australia > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > > >

Hello Gus, Thankyou so much. Great news that the reg. was at WHC. I had also been wondering about Benjamin Hall and Ann Dunn - as far as I can tell, not related to either side. My GRO Certificate lists Minister's last name as Browne, although the initials are hard to decipher. No wonder we have so many problems in this great hobby of ours. However, your news that the Puddler occupation is correct is bad news. Alas! Will post a general query to list regarding this. Many thanks again, Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Tysoe" <gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] New Lister - EDWARDS/PLANT > Hi Louise, > > To my Sue-Per-Late-Ive Surprise, WorcHistCent DOES hold the (or at least > some of the) Registers of Dudley St James... > > And that Marriage entry was more surprising than most! > > > Dudley St James - Marriages Register > Page 19; Number 37 - 1871 Jan 17 [the first of 2 marriages that day] > By Banns; by I E C BOURNE > [very dubious transcription, this - his signature was almost illegible!] > Edwin EDWARDS, 21, Bachelor, Puddler, Dudley > s/o John, Puddler > Elizabeth Hickman PLANT, Spinster, -, Dudley > d/o Joseph, Clerk > Witnesses: Benjamin HALL & Ann DUNN > [All 4 signed] > > The intriguing bit was the *second* marriage the same day... > > Page 19; Number 38 - 1871 Jan 17 > By Banns; by I E C BOURNE [etc...] > Benjamin HALL , 21, Bachelor, Bridge Stocker, Dudley > s/o Joseph, Bridge Stocker > Ann DUNN, 20, Spinster, -, > d/o Noah, Boat Loader > Witnesses: Edwin EDWARDS & Elizabeth Hickman PLANT [All 4 signed] > - Elizabeth - although married by then - signed her maiden name... > > Were they Relatives - or were the two couples 'just friends' ??? > > > The Occupations were as your certificate - very clearly written. > The only Doubtful Part was the name of the Minister... > > Gus > > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hello Listers, Would anyone be able to tell me the history of Eardiston House or Manor at Eardiston please. I believe it belonged to Sir William Smith and his family in the middle 1800's but I know very little else about it. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards Jan from Sydney

an on-line autobiography of Mr Bessemer, has this description of puddling: ============ In 1854 I took out a patent for puddling iron by means of steam. Many of my readers may not know that cast iron is converted into malleable iron by the process called puddling. The iron, while in a molten state, is violently stirred and agitated by a stiff iron rod, having its end bent like a hoe or flattened hook, by which every portion of the molten metal is exposed to the oxygen of the air, and the supercharge of carbon which the cast iron contains is thus burnt out. When this is effectually done the iron becomes malleable and weldable. This state of the iron is indicated by a general loss of fluidity, accompanied by a tendency to gather together in globular masses. The puddler, by his dexterous use of the rabbling-bar, puts the masses together, and, in fact, welds the new-born particles into puddle-balls of about three-quarter cwt. each. These are successively removed from the pool of the puddling furnace, and subjected to the energetic blows of the steam-hammer, which drives out all the scoriae lurking within the spongy puddle-balls, and thus welds them into compact masses of malleable iron. When re-heated to a welding heat, they are rolled out into flat bars or round rods, in a variety of sizes so as to be suitable for the consumer. The manual and physical labour of the puddler is tedious, fatiguing, and unhealthy. The process of puddling occupies about an hour's violent labour, and only robust young men can stand the fatigue and violent heat. I had frequent opportunities of observing the labour and unhealthiness of the process, as well as the great loss of time required to bring it to a conclusion. It occurred to me that much of this could be avoided by employing some other means of getting rid of the superfluous carbon, and bringing the molten cast iron into a malleable condition. Eric MILLWARD. I added NO attachments to this message. My virus-free Family Tree at http://genman.worldonline.co.uk/FamilyHistory.html (updated 01 August) takes 40 sec to load narrowband. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/118 - Release Date: 03/10/2005

Hi Folks, In 1835 I have a John HANDS marrying a Hannah MANNING, in Bromsgrove. A generation later on a different branch of my tree James HANDS marries Eliza CLARK in 1858. Their witnesses were Daniel and Mary MANNING. Question: 1. Were Daniel and Mary husband & wife, brother & sister or some other relationship? 2. Was Hannah any relation to Daniel? Which leads me to, any descendants out there? -- Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman Bromsgrove BMSGH http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk

Hi Louise, I'd not really expected to find it....!! But I'd guess that the two couples were very likely Friends - or at least 2 of the 4 were - for it seems strange for two couples to turn up on the same day without having witnesses with them, and to use each other for the purpose. (OK, a fair number WOULD so arrive, but they'd be more likely to have the Parish Clerk (perhaps with his wife) as their witnesses, rather than 'total' strangers. I can think of two sorts of Puddler, both of which could probably be found in that area: a) in the steel-making trade (although what they actually DID I don't know); and b) in canal-building and repairing, where 'puddle' was the watertight clay lining of the canal bed and sides. [There were a LOT of Canals in the area...]. In view of the *Other* Couple's family occupations, I'd tend to suspect that (b) might be the more likely. You mentioned in your first posting that Edwin and his father were Painters. Do you have 'several' reports of them in that trade? For I take your point that there could've been a misdescription - or mistranscription - in the Other Records. Again, for such things as Censuses, 'Occupation' was taken as being "What were you employed at Last Week?" rather than "What were you 'trained' to do?" - which can produce some anomalous results at times. With Edwin signing his name with some confidence, I'd imagine he'd also be able to read his (and his father's) occupation as it was shown on the Certificate, and could well have commented that it was wrong. Free-wheeling thinking here :-) Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Louise Reynolds <louise@planetlighting.com> To: John Tysoe <gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk>; <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 8:57 AM Subject: EDWARDS/PLANT > Hello Gus, > > Thankyou so much. Great news that the reg. was at WHC. I had also been > wondering about Benjamin Hall and Ann Dunn - as far as I can tell, not > related to either side. My GRO Certificate lists Minister's last name as > Browne, although the initials are hard to decipher. No wonder we have so > many problems in this great hobby of ours. > > However, your news that the Puddler occupation is correct is bad news. > Alas! Will post a general query to list regarding this. > > Many thanks again, > > Louise > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Tysoe" <gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: [WOR] New Lister - EDWARDS/PLANT > > > > Hi Louise, > > > > To my Sue-Per-Late-Ive Surprise, WorcHistCent DOES hold the (or at least > > some of the) Registers of Dudley St James... > > > > And that Marriage entry was more surprising than most! > > > > > > Dudley St James - Marriages Register > > Page 19; Number 37 - 1871 Jan 17 [the first of 2 marriages that day] > > By Banns; by I E C BOURNE > > [very dubious transcription, this - his signature was almost illegible!] > > Edwin EDWARDS, 21, Bachelor, Puddler, Dudley > > s/o John, Puddler > > Elizabeth Hickman PLANT, Spinster, -, Dudley > > d/o Joseph, Clerk > > Witnesses: Benjamin HALL & Ann DUNN > > [All 4 signed] > > > > The intriguing bit was the *second* marriage the same day... > > > > Page 19; Number 38 - 1871 Jan 17 > > By Banns; by I E C BOURNE [etc...] > > Benjamin HALL , 21, Bachelor, Bridge Stocker, Dudley > > s/o Joseph, Bridge Stocker > > Ann DUNN, 20, Spinster, -, > > d/o Noah, Boat Loader > > Witnesses: Edwin EDWARDS & Elizabeth Hickman PLANT [All 4 signed] > > - Elizabeth - although married by then - signed her maiden name... > > > > Were they Relatives - or were the two couples 'just friends' ??? > > > > > > The Occupations were as your certificate - very clearly written. > > The only Doubtful Part was the name of the Minister... > > > > Gus > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > >

Mike I have WILLIAMS in Claines/Whitstones SARAH WILLIAMS of The Tything married John NASH Bootmaker of the Tything BOTP and Full Age 5th June 1820 at St John the Baptist - One of the witnesses was a Susannah WILLIAMS possibly her Mother or Sister - Other than that I do not have definite information as to Sarah's Parents or her Baptism. There is a possible family in St Alban's Parish Worcester. Sarah was born c 1800 and died Dec 1841 at Whitstones, Worcester. John and Sarah were my 3XGt Grandparents , their son Alfred Arthur Bapt 10th August 1833,at Claines my GtGt Grandfather. Helen Verrall ( nee Nash ) New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Mike Palmer [mailto:mdpalmer@ukgateway.net] Sent: Tuesday, 4 October 2005 2:01 a.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WOR] Servant out of place/Williams in Claines/Whistones Many thanks to Michael and Gus for the answer on this one. If anyone else is researching the Williams family in Claines/Whistones area please get in touch. Mine are Walter born 1790 (possibly Brecon), and two of his sons Henry and George, they were publicans and tailors. Vivien Palmer ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== FreeREG Project: parish register database http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/

Very many thanks, John. So "I E C BOURNE" was REALLY "J G C BROWNE". I got 4 letters right (and in the right order); 2 right (in the wrong order); and 3 totally wrong.... Oh well - he WAS a Cambridge man so allowances DO have to be made for his literacy :-) [And their Marmalade isn't as good as Oxford's either!] Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: John B Davies <jbdavies@maxitec.co.za> To: 'John Tysoe' <gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk>; <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:22 AM Subject: RE: [WOR] New Lister - EDWARDS/PLANT > Gus > > 1871 Littlebury's Directory shows - > > St. James's Church, Eve Hill, Dudley > Vicar - Rev John George Cotton BROWNE MA Corpus Christi College, > Cambridge > > John B Davies > Hermanus, South Africa > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Tysoe [mailto:gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: 04 October 2005 08:06 > To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WOR] New Lister - EDWARDS/PLANT > > Hi Louise, > > To my Sue-Per-Late-Ive Surprise, WorcHistCent DOES hold the (or at least > some of the) Registers of Dudley St James... > > And that Marriage entry was more surprising than most! > > > Dudley St James - Marriages Register > Page 19; Number 37 - 1871 Jan 17 [the first of 2 marriages that day] > By Banns; by I E C BOURNE > [very dubious transcription, this - his signature was almost illegible!]

Hello Polly and Gus, Thanks for the info. Polly and your offer Gus. I will see if someone on the Staffs. list can help me in Dudley. Regards Louise -----Original message----- From: polly@rowberry.org Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:03:30 +1000 To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Re: [WOR] New Lister - EDWARDS/PLANT > Hi Gus > > I'm sorry to say that you have to go to Dudley for the St James registers.... > Polly > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com > From: gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk > Cc: > Subject: Re: [WOR] New Lister - EDWARDS/PLANT > Date: 03/10/2005 07:51:42 > > > Hello Louise, > > *IF* Worcester History Centre holds the films of Dudley St James, I'll look > up that marriage for you on my next trip - today/tomorrow. > > But while I know they hold Dudley St Thomas and Dudley St Edmund, I'm by no > means certain that they hold any other Dudley parishes :-( > > > There's a sort-of 'Demarkation Dispute' over Dudley, which was transferred > out of Worcestershire into Staffordshire in 1966 - and it also has its own > Records Office. > > > Finally, although Dudley itself was Worcestershire - albeit a 'detached > part' as it was entirely surrounded by Staffordshire, the Registration > District bearing its name was treated for Census and other Governmental > statistical purposes as being Staffordshire from 1851. > > Complicated... ! > > HTH > > Gus > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Louise Reynolds <louise@planetlighting.com> > To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 3:05 AM > Subject: [WOR] New Lister - EDWARDS/PLANT > > > > Hello all, > > > > I am new on your list and have only just started my research in this part > of England. Here I was thinking Tipton was Staffordshire, and now I find > the registration district is actually Worcestershire... > > > > I am not sure how big an ask this is, but I have received the GRO Marriage > certificate for my Great-Grandfather and all seems right except his and his > father's occupation. I am wondering if anyone has access to the parish > register they may be able to check this up for me please? > > > > Details are: > > > > Marriage 17 Jan 1871 St James Church, Parish of Dudley. > > Edwin Edwards, 21 (groom) > > > > My question is that Edwin and his father John are both shown with > occupation Puddler. They were in fact both Painters. Bearing in mind that > both start with P and end in ER, I am wondering if the person who > transcribed the certificate at the GRO mis-read the words. > > > > I would appreciate it if anyone had access to the parish reg. and could > check on this for me please. > > > > Regards > > > > Louise Reynolds > > Melbourne, Aus. > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > FreeREG Project: parish register database > http://freereg.rootsweb.com > > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ >

Following a Thread from quite some time back now - I can't recall who'd even raised it - BUT... "The Green Man" in The Tything, Worcester, has re-opened after some fairly-extensive refurbishment. I've not been in - but caught a glimpse from the bus on the way through. Looks to be VERY different Inside from the Old Days - LOADS of Light fittings(!) - and also apparently trading from Upstairs as well. Gus

Hi Louise, To my Sue-Per-Late-Ive Surprise, WorcHistCent DOES hold the (or at least some of the) Registers of Dudley St James... And that Marriage entry was more surprising than most! Dudley St James - Marriages Register Page 19; Number 37 - 1871 Jan 17 [the first of 2 marriages that day] By Banns; by I E C BOURNE [very dubious transcription, this - his signature was almost illegible!] Edwin EDWARDS, 21, Bachelor, Puddler, Dudley s/o John, Puddler Elizabeth Hickman PLANT, Spinster, -, Dudley d/o Joseph, Clerk Witnesses: Benjamin HALL & Ann DUNN [All 4 signed] The intriguing bit was the *second* marriage the same day... Page 19; Number 38 - 1871 Jan 17 By Banns; by I E C BOURNE [etc...] Benjamin HALL , 21, Bachelor, Bridge Stocker, Dudley s/o Joseph, Bridge Stocker Ann DUNN, 20, Spinster, -, d/o Noah, Boat Loader Witnesses: Edwin EDWARDS & Elizabeth Hickman PLANT [All 4 signed] - Elizabeth - although married by then - signed her maiden name... Were they Relatives - or were the two couples 'just friends' ??? The Occupations were as your certificate - very clearly written. The only Doubtful Part was the name of the Minister... Gus

Would someone be so kind as to look up an ancestor of mine. William Eaton Brown(e) and his wife Elizabeth. He was born in Worcester, (Society of Friends) on 02 Feb 1893 and married in Worcester on 16 Aug 1857. He was resident in Penn Road Wolverhampton in 1876. I believe he had a stone mason business there. He emigrated to South Africa in 1882. Is there a similar List for Wolverhampton? Kind Regards Mike Browne Visit our Web Page....... http://www.nampakhealth.co.za <http://www.nampakhealth.co.za/> Success comes in cans, not cant's. Telephone: 011 719-6554 Fax : +27 11 719-6694 e-mail : mike.browne@za.nampak.com <mailto:mike.browne@za.nampak.com> Privileged or confidential information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm are neither given nor endorsed by it.

Hi Gus I'm sorry to say that you have to go to Dudley for the St James registers.... Polly ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ To: ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com From: gtysoe@jtysoe.fsnet.co.uk Cc: Subject: Re: [WOR] New Lister - EDWARDS/PLANT Date: 03/10/2005 07:51:42 Hello Louise, *IF* Worcester History Centre holds the films of Dudley St James, I'll look up that marriage for you on my next trip - today/tomorrow. But while I know they hold Dudley St Thomas and Dudley St Edmund, I'm by no means certain that they hold any other Dudley parishes :-( There's a sort-of 'Demarkation Dispute' over Dudley, which was transferred out of Worcestershire into Staffordshire in 1966 - and it also has its own Records Office. Finally, although Dudley itself was Worcestershire - albeit a 'detached part' as it was entirely surrounded by Staffordshire, the Registration District bearing its name was treated for Census and other Governmental statistical purposes as being Staffordshire from 1851. Complicated... ! HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Louise Reynolds <louise@planetlighting.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 3:05 AM Subject: [WOR] New Lister - EDWARDS/PLANT > Hello all, > > I am new on your list and have only just started my research in this part of England. Here I was thinking Tipton was Staffordshire, and now I find the registration district is actually Worcestershire... > > I am not sure how big an ask this is, but I have received the GRO Marriage certificate for my Great-Grandfather and all seems right except his and his father's occupation. I am wondering if anyone has access to the parish register they may be able to check this up for me please? > > Details are: > > Marriage 17 Jan 1871 St James Church, Parish of Dudley. > Edwin Edwards, 21 (groom) > > My question is that Edwin and his father John are both shown with occupation Puddler. They were in fact both Painters. Bearing in mind that both start with P and end in ER, I am wondering if the person who transcribed the certificate at the GRO mis-read the words. > > I would appreciate it if anyone had access to the parish reg. and could check on this for me please. > > Regards > > Louise Reynolds > Melbourne, Aus. ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== FreeREG Project: parish register database http://freereg.rootsweb.com UK Census on-line http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Many thanks to Michael and Gus for the answer on this one. If anyone else is researching the Williams family in Claines/Whistones area please get in touch. Mine are Walter born 1790 (possibly Brecon), and two of his sons Henry and George, they were publicans and tailors. Vivien Palmer

Hello all, I am new on your list and have only just started my research in this part of England. Here I was thinking Tipton was Staffordshire, and now I find the registration district is actually Worcestershire... I am not sure how big an ask this is, but I have received the GRO Marriage certificate for my Great-Grandfather and all seems right except his and his father's occupation. I am wondering if anyone has access to the parish register they may be able to check this up for me please? Details are: Marriage 17 Jan 1871 St James Church, Parish of Dudley. Edwin Edwards, 21 (groom) My question is that Edwin and his father John are both shown with occupation Puddler. They were in fact both Painters. Bearing in mind that both start with P and end in ER, I am wondering if the person who transcribed the certificate at the GRO mis-read the words. I would appreciate it if anyone had access to the parish reg. and could check on this for me please. Regards Louise Reynolds Melbourne, Aus.

Hello Louise, *IF* Worcester History Centre holds the films of Dudley St James, I'll look up that marriage for you on my next trip - today/tomorrow. But while I know they hold Dudley St Thomas and Dudley St Edmund, I'm by no means certain that they hold any other Dudley parishes :-( There's a sort-of 'Demarkation Dispute' over Dudley, which was transferred out of Worcestershire into Staffordshire in 1966 - and it also has its own Records Office. Finally, although Dudley itself was Worcestershire - albeit a 'detached part' as it was entirely surrounded by Staffordshire, the Registration District bearing its name was treated for Census and other Governmental statistical purposes as being Staffordshire from 1851. Complicated... ! HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Louise Reynolds <louise@planetlighting.com> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 3:05 AM Subject: [WOR] New Lister - EDWARDS/PLANT > Hello all, > > I am new on your list and have only just started my research in this part of England. Here I was thinking Tipton was Staffordshire, and now I find the registration district is actually Worcestershire... > > I am not sure how big an ask this is, but I have received the GRO Marriage certificate for my Great-Grandfather and all seems right except his and his father's occupation. I am wondering if anyone has access to the parish register they may be able to check this up for me please? > > Details are: > > Marriage 17 Jan 1871 St James Church, Parish of Dudley. > Edwin Edwards, 21 (groom) > > My question is that Edwin and his father John are both shown with occupation Puddler. They were in fact both Painters. Bearing in mind that both start with P and end in ER, I am wondering if the person who transcribed the certificate at the GRO mis-read the words. > > I would appreciate it if anyone had access to the parish reg. and could check on this for me please. > > Regards > > Louise Reynolds > Melbourne, Aus.

Hello Vivien, Looks very much like "Out Of Work" - but 'spun' a bit.... The impression is that she was "Actively Seeking".... Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Palmer <mdpalmer@ukgateway.net> To: <ENG-WORCESTER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 2:41 PM Subject: [WOR] Servant out of place > My great grandfather's first wife was living/staying with her mother before her marriage in 1851. She was listed as being a "servant out of place". Could someone enlighten me please as to what this means, on leave or out of a job? > > Vivien Palmer > > > ==== ENG-WORCESTER Mailing List ==== > Transcribers wanted for Worcestershire FreeREG > for more information see http://freereg.rootsweb.com > UK Census on-line > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ > >