Hi Sherri >>Careless surname was spelt Carelefs at time of marriage 1846, then later changed to Careless. << No it was spelt CARELESS on both occasions, the first is just an old-fashioned "long s" not an "f". Cheers Polly

Hello All I have just joined this list. My interests are the WALTON family. In particular David who married Rebecca PARISH. I think this must have been sometime before 1847 but so far have been unable to find a marriage. Rebecca was from Upper Heyford in Oxford although their children were born in Gloucester. I am trying to fin David`s roots if possible. I think his parents may have been Joseph and Margaret. I have no maiden name for Margaret.David was born around 1815 at Daylesford Worcs. Does anyone have any connections with this family or know where and how I could get the records to further my research? This county is new to me as I am from Nottinghamshire. regards Glynis ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html

Hi Sherri, The father of this Bemjamin is Joseph, so he might be a possibility. Is Bretforton anywhere near Oldbury? Benjamin Byrd - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 03 JAN 1792 Bretforton, Worcester, England Best regards, Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherri cameron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: [WOR] Bird in Oldbury > > I am looking for Benjamin BIRD. His son Joseph BIRD b.1827-28 > Oldbury. > Joseph was a Coal miner married to Sarah Careless. Careless surname > was > spelt Carelefs at time of marriage 1846, then later changed to Careless. > Sarah b. in Dudley, Staff. Joseph and Sarahs 1st born was William, > they were living at 120 Park street, Oldbury, Langley District in the 1851 > Census. > Any help is much appreciated. > > Regards, Sherri > > _________________________________________________________________ > Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am interested in anything someone might be able to provide me on this family 1881 census at Pilkington, Lancashire George Dobson head 40 carter Desford, Leic Ann do wife 50 housekeeper Droitwich, Worcs Emily Woodyatt dau 26 mar servant Lionel, Worcs Ann do grandau 8 Radcliffe, Lancs Fanny Smith niece 9 Kidderminster Sarah Savage niece mar 48 mar visitor Droitwich Wm Savage her son 18 unmar laborer Bangor, CHH Rosa Savage dau 13 Bangor, CHH Before 1881—particularly on Ann ----- Dobson the wife and her marriages. Stephen J. Kelsey www.geocities.com/sjkelsey2000 www.geocities.com/herefpr www.woodyatt.bravehost.com <http://www.woodyatt.bravehost.com/>

Gwyn Oldbury was part of Shropshire in 1810, many people attended the church at Halesowen , which was also then in Shropshire. ( until c 1840/41) Located a Baptism in Halesowen Baptisms ,that could be your Samuel 7th January 1810 Samuel son of Richard and Phoebe HOLLOWAY This could be their marriage at Edgbaston. Richard HOLLOWAY to Sarah WESTON 25 Dec 1802 This is the 1841 Census Entry for Richard Wife and Family ! 1841 England Census about Richd Holloway Name: Richd Holloway Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1791 Gender: Male Where born: Shropshire, England Civil parish: Hales Owen Hundred: Brimstree (Hales Owen Division) County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Registration district: Stourbridge Sub-registration district: Halesowen Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Richd Holloway 50 Phebe Holloway 45 Henry Holloway 25 Elizh Holloway 20 Sarah Holloway 14 Richard Holloway 10 Mary Holloway 7 Emma Holloway 2 This could Samuel and wife in 1841 living in Birmingham 1841 England Census about Samuel Holloway Name: Samuel Holloway Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Gender: Male Civil Parish: Birmingham Hundred: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View Image Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: Lady Wood Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Samuel Holloway 30 Ann Holloway 30 Jane Holloway 6 James Holloway 4 Neither Samuel or Ann were born in County. 1851 Census of Worcestershire ! Piece 2050 Folio 258 Sched. 077 43 Bridge Street , Smethwick HOLLOWAY Samuel 40 M Plate Glass Maker Born Ludlow/SAL " Ann 40 M " Oldbury/WOR " Jane 16 U Scholar " Smethwick/STS " James 14 " " " " " George 9 " " " Birmingham/WAR " Sarah 7 " " " " " Felicia 5 " " " " " Samuel 3 " " Smethwick/STS I wouldn't worry to much about Samuel stating Ludlow as place of birth. Census records are notorious for listing a variety of Birth locations. hth Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gwyn Griffiths Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2007 7:25 a.m. To: [email protected] Subject: [WOR] HOOLOWAY, Oldbury My wife has, in her tree, a Samuel HOLLOWAY, probably born Oldbury in 1810. In later years he was a glass maker in the Kingswinford area. Can anybody trace any baptismal records, or suggest possible sources/ leads? Gwyn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michael This is probably the web site that was mentioned http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl This one is for parish records but I don`t think it`s complete either http://freereg.rootsweb.com/ Cheers Jan in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "MichaelWalker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [WOR] Internet availability of BMD > Hello List > > I wish to thank the many people who replied to my query - I have been helped > a great deal. > > Can I now trouble the list with a question as to the availability of census > returns on the internet ? > > Any information will be gratefully received. > > Mike

I am looking for Benjamin BIRD. His son Joseph BIRD b.1827-28 Oldbury. Joseph was a Coal miner married to Sarah Careless. Careless surname was spelt Carelefs at time of marriage 1846, then later changed to Careless. Sarah b. in Dudley, Staff. Joseph and Sarahs 1st born was William, they were living at 120 Park street, Oldbury, Langley District in the 1851 Census. Any help is much appreciated. Regards, Sherri _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us

MichaelWalker wrote: > Hello List > > I wish to thank the many people who replied to my query - I have been helped > a great deal. > > Can I now trouble the list with a question as to the availability of census > returns on the internet ? All the censuses from 1841 to 1901 are available on the internet. www.familysearch.org has a transcription of the 1881 for free. www.ancestry.co.uk has all the censuses and images www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk has all the censuses and images www.findmypast.com has the 1841, 1861 (not yet complete), 1871, 1881 (transcript only at the moment) and 1891 censuses www.familyrelatives.com has the censuses as well, but I haven't checked recently to see which ones they have or if they have all of them. You also might find it useful to check FreeCEN which is a sister project to FreeBMD although it's still a fair way from being complete.

Gwyn: > 1851 Census of Worcestershire ! > Piece 2050 Folio 258 Sched. 077 43 Bridge Street , Smethwick > HOLLOWAY Samuel 40 M Plate Glass Maker Born Ludlow/SAL > " Ann 40 M " Oldbury/WOR > > I wouldn't worry to much about Samuel stating Ludlow as place of birth. > Census records are notorious for listing a variety of Birth locations. Interestingly, in 1871 Samuel is given as born Oldbury and Ann as born Ludlow Shropshire! In 1881, Samuel is still reporting a birthplace of Oldbury, but Ann has been replaced by a Mary Ann, born Dudley. Can't find them in 1861. > Oldbury was part of Shropshire in 1810, many people attended the church at > Halesowen , which was also then in Shropshire. ( until c 1840/41) Oldbury became an independent parish in 1844, at which time it also transferred to Worcestershire. Before that it was part of the parish of Halesowen, and so many Oldbury baptisms will be found there. However it did have its own chapelry of St Nicholas (later Christchurch) and its own registers, which have been published by the BMSGH. It was also a hotbed of nonconformism, with a very significant proportion of baptisms taking place in Methodist and other chapels. My great aunt Myra BERESFORD (1896-1929) married a John T. HOLLOWAY in Oldbury in 1927. Regards Paul Prescott

Hello List I wish to thank the many people who replied to my query - I have been helped a great deal. Can I now trouble the list with a question as to the availability of census returns on the internet ? Any information will be gratefully received. Mike

My wife has, in her tree, a Samuel HOLLOWAY, probably born Oldbury in 1810. In later years he was a glass maker in the Kingswinford area. Can anybody trace any baptismal records, or suggest possible sources/ leads? Gwyn

MichaelWalker wrote: > As my pennies are limited, could someone tell me what information I > can find on the web without payment. I see the BMD previosly free > through Ancestry is not so now. I am particularly interested in > BMDs. Apart from www.freebmd.org.uk which is an ongoing volunteer project so not yet complete, there are a couple of PAYG sites that have the GRO indexes from 1837 to 2005. They are www.familyrelatives.com and www.findmypast.com both of which also have other databases as well. www.1901Census.nationalarchives.gov.uk despite its name has all the censuses plus the BMDs. Then there www.familyhistoryonline.org.uk and www.ukbmd.org.uk which might be useful. There are also freebmd's sister projects: FreeCEN (censuses) and FreeREG (parish registers). Bear in mind that these are also volunteer projects so not yet complete.

Hi Mike Well the obvious answer is FreeBMD - which is now more or less fully complete for most years before 1910 (see their coverage graphs for those quarters still "in progress") and now rapidly advancing into the 1920s. http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl However they can only transcribe those pages which have been filmed, and these pages are also the only ones to be found on Ancestry. The GRO removing the paper indexes before the replacement access promised in the MAGPIE Project is probably a dereliction of their statutory duty.......... Good luck Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "MichaelWalker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: [WOR] Internet availability of BMD I am returning after a long break to resume my research. As my pennies are limited, could someone tell me what information I can find on the web without payment. I see the BMD previosly free through Ancestry is not so now. I am particularly interested in BMDs. My interests in Worcestershire are in the Evesham area - WALKER, JELFS, MACE, SMART, PROCTOR & BISHOP Many thanks for any help Mike ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am returning after a long break to resume my research. As my pennies are limited, could someone tell me what information I can find on the web without payment. I see the BMD previosly free through Ancestry is not so now. I am particularly interested in BMDs. My interests in Worcestershire are in the Evesham area - WALKER, JELFS, MACE, SMART, PROCTOR & BISHOP Many thanks for any help Mike

Dear Sue Many thanks for your offer to share information about your Eliza Tainton's family. I will be delighted to accept anything you care to pass on. My email address is [email protected] Look forward to hearing from you Maureen Glover

There are historical documents relating to Cofton Hall, which was situated at Cofton Hackett, as early as 1621 so I think "Cofton" dates much further back than census days. I'm still pretty certain "Coston" was never more than a mistranscription as I haven't come across it in any historical document other than 19th century civil records. Regards, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <[email protected]> To: "Steve Cullen" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [WOR] Fw: Place name Caston Hackett > Hi Steve, > > The 1831 OS 1" map, and every Census Report from 1801 to 1881 inclusive, > prints it as "Coston" - and with a 'proper' "s"; not the long-form version > that resembles an "f" - so I suggest that this interpretation is likely to > be wrong... > > From the 1891 Census Report onwards it's been "Cofton". I've not traced > any > formal document that established the change of spelling, and have to > accept > that it was "some date between 1881 and 1891". > > Gus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Cullen" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:38 PM > Subject: [WOR] Fw: Place name Caston Hackett > > > It always was Cofton Hackett to my knowledge, just the way people > interpreted it on maps with the "f" looking like an old-fashioned "s", > i.e. > the f without it's bar across > > Regards, > Steve Cullen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gus Tysoe" <[email protected]> > To: "Jen" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [WOR] Place name Caston Hackett > > >> Hello Jen, >> >> This is almost certainly COSTON Hackett - today's COFTON Hackett - that >> was >> (may still be) in Bromsgrove Registration District. >> >> Despite what it's inhabitants might tell you, for all practical >> purposes - >> if you go there 'on the ground' - it's the South-Eastern part of >> Birmingham... >> >> Gus >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jen" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 5:29 PM >> Subject: [WOR] Place name Caston Hackett >> >> >> I must not be reading this name right. I have googled and checked >> Genuki. >> Does anyone know what Caston Hackett could be? It is given as a birth >> location for John Lilly in Staple Hill on the 1851 census. Thanks Jenn >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks for your response Roy. No, I'm not in touch with Gillian Evans or anyone at all in the UK. A few of us have decided to make a determined effort to research our Smith family. Heaps of info after their arrival in Qld but we are just starting on the UK side of things. Regards Maureen

Hi Steve, The 1831 OS 1" map, and every Census Report from 1801 to 1881 inclusive, prints it as "Coston" - and with a 'proper' "s"; not the long-form version that resembles an "f" - so I suggest that this interpretation is likely to be wrong... >From the 1891 Census Report onwards it's been "Cofton". I've not traced any formal document that established the change of spelling, and have to accept that it was "some date between 1881 and 1891". Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Cullen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: [WOR] Fw: Place name Caston Hackett It always was Cofton Hackett to my knowledge, just the way people interpreted it on maps with the "f" looking like an old-fashioned "s", i.e. the f without it's bar across Regards, Steve Cullen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <[email protected]> To: "Jen" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] Place name Caston Hackett > Hello Jen, > > This is almost certainly COSTON Hackett - today's COFTON Hackett - that > was > (may still be) in Bromsgrove Registration District. > > Despite what it's inhabitants might tell you, for all practical purposes - > if you go there 'on the ground' - it's the South-Eastern part of > Birmingham... > > Gus > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jen" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 5:29 PM > Subject: [WOR] Place name Caston Hackett > > > I must not be reading this name right. I have googled and checked Genuki. > Does anyone know what Caston Hackett could be? It is given as a birth > location for John Lilly in Staple Hill on the 1851 census. Thanks Jenn > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maureen: I'm afraid I have no information about the SMITH family themselves, but I have a great deal of information on the TAINTON/TEYNTON/TINTON family - Eliza TAINTON born Birtsmorten in 1833 married your George SMITH, thatcher, in 1863. My paternal grandmother was a TINTON. If you would like information about Eliza's family I will be pleased to let you have it off the list, as there is rather a lot of it. Best wishes with your research, Sue Elias Birmingham, UK

Try Cofton Hackett near Barnt Green, south west of Birmingham Regards, Maurice The LONGMORE Pages at http://www.msheppard.com At 19:29 28/10/07, Jen wrote: >I must not be reading this name right. I have googled and checked Genuki. >Does anyone know what Caston Hackett could be? It is given as a birth >location for John Lilly in Staple Hill on the 1851 census. Thanks Jenn > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message