JR wrote: > Hello List > > I have relatives on the 1891 census. living in Cardiff. > > They appear as GARTONIA DEBONS and ALICE DEBONS, however their > correct surname was DEBONO. He was 50 and born in MALTA, Alice WAS > 33 and born in BRISTOL. > > Could SKS advise me on how to search the 1901. I have tried > numerous combinations without success. I don't know which resource you are using for the 1901 but if you can do so, try searching on Alice (no surname), 43 and Bristol to see if that will find her. Gartonia is liable to be hopelessly mistranscribed. Otherwise have a look on www.freebmd.org.uk or www.familyrelatives.com for their deaths between 1891 and 1901. Familyrelatives is indexed to 1920.

Theres a Pinch off Hallow Green Dean On 7 Nov 2007, at 11:59, soloman wrote: Does anyone know where the places called: 'the Pinch' and also 'merry[ie] vale where situated in worcester. I think the Pinch was in St Johns, but not sure. Roy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara I cannot locate a Baptism for Benjamin c 1731, at Old Swinford, also checked Kingswinford , but no joy there either . All the Best Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barb Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2007 2:59 p.m. To: [email protected] Subject: [WOR] Correction on Benjamin Guest dates I'm afraid my last post contained dates 100 years too late......this is the correction.......I'm so sorry about this..... Hoping to connect to someone who is researching the GUEST line from Kingswinford... our Benjamin GUEST married Elizabeth Badger in Kings in 1757.....not 1857 I'm trying to confirm his parents as William GUEST and ???....Benjamin possibly born in Old Swinford, Worcester..about 1731....not 1831..... Barbara Gillon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Roy, A date and a source just might help here... But Merryvale is now the northern end of Deansway - it ran South from the junction of Broad and Bridge Streets to (roughly) the northern end of St Andrews former graveyard. I don't know when it was (officially) renamed, but it was certainly still referred to by the Old Name in the mid-1950s. Can't help on The Pinch, though - that's one I've never heard of! Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "soloman" <[email protected]> To: "Eng-Worcester" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:59 AM Subject: [WOR] where are the Pinch and merrievale Does anyone know where the places called: 'the Pinch' and also 'merry[ie] vale where situated in worcester. I think the Pinch was in St Johns, but not sure. Roy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Terry, In 1841 there was a William GARLAND, "60", Mayor's Officer, born in County recorded in Frog Lane [now Severn Street] Worcester St Peter, [HO107/1209/17; Fo 7; p6] Also in the household were: Ann GARLAND, "60", not born in County Maria GARLAND, "30", born in County In 1851 - in Diglis Street, Worcester St Peter [HO107/2042; Fo 829; Sch 110] William GARLAND, Head, "M", 77, M, Retired Mayor's Officer; Worcester Maria GARLAND, Dau, U, 45, F, -, Worcester St Martin This was about "a couple of doors down" from the far end of Turners Buildings, where Samuel was innkeeper of The Shades. I couldn't find Ann, who *may* have died at some stage after the 1841, despite William being shown as "married". In 1841, Samuel, 23 [with wife Mary, 21 and son George, 1month] was recorded "at" an unnamed Pub in Friar Street, Worcester St Helen. [HO107/1209/9; Fo 23; p26] No occupation is given for him or Mary, but their names immediately follow that of the Landlord, George WORMINGTON, "55". The presumption has to be that they were live-in bar staff. *IF* William's age was correctly given in the 1851, he'd've been born c.1773-74 [quite a bit earlier than your estimate] - and if his birthplace is correct then the absence of his, Maria's and Samuel's baptisms from the IGI would imply that he was a Nonconformist of some denomination. I *suspect* that he could well have married Ann HOLDER at Lydney, GLS on 15 May 1804 - this at least would fit with her having been born "out of County" - but you'd need to see the Parish Register entry for additional information. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Garland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:30 AM Subject: [WOR] William GARLAND List, Re-posting my earliest interest - I still haven't found time to get to Worcester to check local records! Any information on William GARLAND.... b. Abt. 1790-1800 m. Date and spouse not known occupation 1815 - 1830 Constable son Samuel GARLAND b. Abt 1818 [Innkeeper in Diglis Street 1848-51] occupation 1840 Beadle/Guildhall Keeper residence 1840 Diglis Street, Worcester d. Dec. 1870, Warwickshire [Unconfirmed] Terry Garland www.terrygarland.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Roy, Merry Vale (Merrivale) was in St Andrews. It's still on a 1960s map that I have, joining Broad Street where it meets All Hallows, so it's just across the river from St Johns. My Hale family ran the Glovers' Arms pub where Merryvale met Powick Lane, and the address varied according to which census it was on. Vivien From: "soloman" <[email protected]> > Does anyone know where the places called: 'the Pinch' and also 'merry[ie] vale where situated in worcester. > > I think the Pinch was in St Johns, but not sure. >

Does anyone know where the places called: 'the Pinch' and also 'merry[ie] vale where situated in worcester. I think the Pinch was in St Johns, but not sure. Roy

List, Re-posting my earliest interest - I still haven't found time to get to Worcester to check local records! Any information on William GARLAND.... b. Abt. 1790-1800 m. Date and spouse not known occupation 1815 - 1830 Constable son Samuel GARLAND b. Abt 1818 [Innkeeper in Diglis Street 1848-51] occupation 1840 Beadle/Guildhall Keeper residence 1840 Diglis Street, Worcester d. Dec. 1870, Warwickshire [Unconfirmed] Terry Garland www.terrygarland.co.uk

Hello List I have relatives on the 1891 census. living in Cardiff. They appear as GARTONIA DEBONS and ALICE DEBONS, however their correct surname was DEBONO. He was 50 and born in MALTA, Alice WAS 33 and born in BRISTOL. Could SKS advise me on how to search the 1901. I have tried numerous combinations without success. Many thanks John Eaton Socon Cambridgeshire.

Barbara I do not have the Old Swinford Transcripts for 1831 , ( only to 1819 ). But I found at St Mary's Kingswinford , Benjamin GUEST son of Thomas and Mary GUEST, of Bromley Lane, Baptised 21st Nov 1830 Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barb Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2007 1:07 p.m. To: [email protected] Subject: [WOR] Benjamin Guest of Kingswinford Hoping to connect to someone who is researching the GUEST line from Kingswinford... our Benjamin GUEST married Elizabeth Badger in Kings in 1857..... .I'm trying to confirm his parents as William GUEST and ???....Benjamin possibly born in Old Swinford, Worcester..about 1831.... Barbara Gillon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm afraid my last post contained dates 100 years too late......this is the correction.......I'm so sorry about this..... Hoping to connect to someone who is researching the GUEST line from Kingswinford... our Benjamin GUEST married Elizabeth Badger in Kings in 1757.....not 1857 I'm trying to confirm his parents as William GUEST and ???....Benjamin possibly born in Old Swinford, Worcester..about 1731....not 1831..... Barbara Gillon

Hoping to connect to someone who is researching the GUEST line from Kingswinford... our Benjamin GUEST married Elizabeth Badger in Kings in 1857..... .I'm trying to confirm his parents as William GUEST and ???....Benjamin possibly born in Old Swinford, Worcester..about 1831.... Barbara Gillon

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Looking for information about the above family in the Worcester area.My link is John Unett Walker born Worcester but spent most of his working life in Birmingham father of my g grandfather Chris Busby Worcester No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1108 - Release Date: 03/11/2007 21:42

I have a possible. John Walker born abt 1866--died 16 nov 1938 at 17 Upper Beulah Hill, Upper Norwood, London Se19 and buried in Colchester Cemetery. He was son of John Walker and Rosabel Unett. If this is the man and family for which you are looking please contact me. Stephen J. Kelsey www.geocities.com/sjkelsey2000 www.woodyatt.bravehost.com www.geocities.com/herefpr -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Busby Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [WOR] Unett Walker Looking for information about the above family in the Worcester area.My link is John Unett Walker born Worcester but spent most of his working life in Birmingham father of my g grandfather Chris Busby Worcester No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.20/1108 - Release Date: 03/11/2007 21:42 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am tracing the family history of my Great Uncle William Henry Walter LUCY b:1880 London, his Grandfather was William Francis LUCY born app;1820 in Worcester?. William Henry Walters father was Frederick Corbett LUCY baptised 21st September 1843 at Saint Mary's,Hanley Castle Worcester Carole

Tony Presume this is your Emma ( says born Warwick not Birmingham ) If you would like an image of the Page can send off list ! 1901 England Census about Emma Bell Name: Emma Bell Age: 68 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Frederick Gender: Female Where born: Warwick, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Bewdley Ecclesiastical parish: Bewdley County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Kidderminster Sub-registration district: Bewdley ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbours: View others on page Household schedule number: 43 Household Members: Name Age Frederick Bell 70 Emma Bell 68 Robert Bell 30 Clara Bell 27 Maud Bell 25 Kate Bell 22 Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of T & L Thompson Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2007 11:40 a.m. To: ENG-WORCESTER Subject: [WOR] 1901 Census Look up pls Emma Bell Hello List Can SKS look up for a Emma Bell b abt 1833. in the 1901 census I understand she is at Household schedule number 43, not sure what that means. her birth place is Birmingham. she maybe with someone or have her kids with her. Thank u in advance. Tony Thompson Qld ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List Can SKS look up for a Emma Bell b abt 1833. in the 1901 census I understand she is at Household schedule number 43, not sure what that means. her birth place is Birmingham. she maybe with someone or have her kids with her. Thank u in advance. Tony Thompson Qld

Hi Steve, I've been away for the week and have only just seen your Monday's posting... The change from Cofton to Coston throughout most C19 could well have been the result of a continually-repeated mistranscription, but certainly at the time of the 1851 Census (which was the origination of this exchange) it was clearly in general use as Coston, for that was - with a potential mistranscription by the enquirer, for Ancestry index it as Coston, not Caston - how it was recorded by the enumerator. [HO107/2047/317/19 (and 17)]. It is *possible* that the change may have been made following the early-1880s Public Consultations over the Parish Boundaries prior to the issue of the OS 1st Edition 6" and 25" Series - but that it took a little time for Official Recognition to be granted. Although at this stage this can be little more than a guess. Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Cullen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: [WOR] Fw: Fw: Place name Caston Hackett There are historical documents relating to Cofton Hall, which was situated at Cofton Hackett, as early as 1621 so I think "Cofton" dates much further back than census days. I'm still pretty certain "Coston" was never more than a mistranscription as I haven't come across it in any historical document other than 19th century civil records. Regards, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <[email protected]> To: "Steve Cullen" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [WOR] Fw: Place name Caston Hackett > Hi Steve, > > The 1831 OS 1" map, and every Census Report from 1801 to 1881 inclusive, > prints it as "Coston" - and with a 'proper' "s"; not the long-form version > that resembles an "f" - so I suggest that this interpretation is likely to > be wrong... > > From the 1891 Census Report onwards it's been "Cofton". I've not traced > any > formal document that established the change of spelling, and have to > accept > that it was "some date between 1881 and 1891". > > Gus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Cullen" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:38 PM > Subject: [WOR] Fw: Place name Caston Hackett > > > It always was Cofton Hackett to my knowledge, just the way people > interpreted it on maps with the "f" looking like an old-fashioned "s", > i.e. > the f without it's bar across > > Regards, > Steve Cullen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gus Tysoe" <[email protected]> > To: "Jen" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [WOR] Place name Caston Hackett > > >> Hello Jen, >> >> This is almost certainly COSTON Hackett - today's COFTON Hackett - that >> was >> (may still be) in Bromsgrove Registration District. >> >> Despite what it's inhabitants might tell you, for all practical >> purposes - >> if you go there 'on the ground' - it's the South-Eastern part of >> Birmingham... >> >> Gus >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jen" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 5:29 PM >> Subject: [WOR] Place name Caston Hackett >> >> >> I must not be reading this name right. I have googled and checked >> Genuki. >> Does anyone know what Caston Hackett could be? It is given as a birth >> location for John Lilly in Staple Hill on the 1851 census. Thanks Jenn >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would be very grateful for any information about Benjamin Spencer who was born in Halesowen about 1750. He attended Oxford University and became Vicar of Aston. He appears to have been thrice married and was involved in the Birmingham Riots of 1791. I am seeking details of his offspring as well as any anecdotes at all about his life. Thanks, Jan