Looking for anyone who might know what happened to the owners of the New Inn in Broughton Hackett c. 1850's- early 1900's. Thomas and Emma (Newman) Holt lived there 1880-1910 at least, their children were Elinor b. 1879, Emma b.1884 and Thomas b. 1882 who is listed as a Butcher in the 1901 census. Also listed in the 1901 census were grandchildren; Edith 11 months born in Upton Snodsbury listed after Emma and John age 2 listed after Thomas the butcher. All living in the same house the Public House known as the "New Inn" now the March Hare I believe. I do know that Emma Newman Holt died in 1903 and is buried in the churchyard. Anyone know this family?? Also related are: BLUNN, NEWMAN, SURMAN Thanks Cathy

Hi all If anyone has knowledge of this family I would be grateful to receive it. They are listed in the 1881 census at Dale Cross Cottage, Blackwell, (RG11/2940/9/10). I believe Peter Turner was asking about the cottage in August 2001. I have recently found some interesting information regarding the son, Harry H SANDS. Regards Peter

Hi Eveline What age does she give in the 1861 census ? Mike Fisher in Droitwich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eveline Clarke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:24 AM Subject: [WOR] Marriage Age > Hi > > Is anyone able to tell me if it was legal for 13 year old girls be be > married in 1857. I have only just realised (although I have had it on > the computer for at least 2 years) that my 2x Great Aunt Aunt was married > 8 months before her 14th birthday. > > Regards > > Eveline > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well it is rather the same regarding the children here as well. Emma married in 1857 at 13 but their eldest child was not born until 1868 (at least, the eldest I have found). Thank you to everyone who replied. Eveline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Firebird" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] Marriage Age > Dave Annal wrote: > >> Hi Eveline >> >> It was legal (girls could be married at 12 until as late as 1929!) but >> extremely rare by the mid nineteenth century for someone this young to >> marry. The average at marriage for women remained at around 26 until >> very >> recent times. > > It was well after 1929 that it became illegal for Irish girls to marry > at that age. IIRC, it was into the 1970s! > > I have two instances of very young girls (one 12, the other 14) > marrying in one family. One was an early 19th century marriage, the > other late 19th century. In both instances though, there were no > children registered until they were around 17. That's not to say > there weren't any stillbirths or miscarriages before then, but I like > to think the husbands were considerate ;)) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1205 - Release Date: > 31/12/2007 15:32 > >

Dave Annal wrote: > Hi Eveline > > It was legal (girls could be married at 12 until as late as 1929!) but > extremely rare by the mid nineteenth century for someone this young to > marry. The average at marriage for women remained at around 26 until very > recent times. It was well after 1929 that it became illegal for Irish girls to marry at that age. IIRC, it was into the 1970s! I have two instances of very young girls (one 12, the other 14) marrying in one family. One was an early 19th century marriage, the other late 19th century. In both instances though, there were no children registered until they were around 17. That's not to say there weren't any stillbirths or miscarriages before then, but I like to think the husbands were considerate ;))

Thank you Dave. Eveline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Annal" <[email protected]> To: "Eveline Clarke" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] Marriage Age > Hi Eveline > > It was legal (girls could be married at 12 until as late as 1929!) but > extremely rare by the mid nineteenth century for someone this young to > marry. The average at marriage for women remained at around 26 until very > recent times. > > Cheers, Dave > > Dave Annal > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eveline Clarke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:24 AM > Subject: [WOR] Marriage Age > > >> Hi >> >> Is anyone able to tell me if it was legal for 13 year old girls be be >> married in 1857. I have only just realised (although I have had it on >> the computer for at least 2 years) that my 2x Great Aunt Aunt was married >> 8 months before her 14th birthday. >> >> Regards >> >> Eveline >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: > 269.17.13/1205 - Release Date: 31/12/2007 15:32 > >

Hi Eveline It was legal (girls could be married at 12 until as late as 1929!) but extremely rare by the mid nineteenth century for someone this young to marry. The average at marriage for women remained at around 26 until very recent times. Cheers, Dave Dave Annal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eveline Clarke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:24 AM Subject: [WOR] Marriage Age > Hi > > Is anyone able to tell me if it was legal for 13 year old girls be be > married in 1857. I have only just realised (although I have had it on > the computer for at least 2 years) that my 2x Great Aunt Aunt was married > 8 months before her 14th birthday. > > Regards > > Eveline > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Steve. I knew someone would come up trumps. Eveline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Cullen" <[email protected]> To: "Eveline Clarke" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [WOR] Marriage Age > 12 was the minimum age for a girl then, 14 for a boy > > Regards, > Steve Cullen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eveline Clarke" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:24 AM > Subject: [WOR] Marriage Age > > >> Hi >> >> Is anyone able to tell me if it was legal for 13 year old girls be be >> married in 1857. I have only just realised (although I have had it on >> the computer for at least 2 years) that my 2x Great Aunt Aunt was married >> 8 months before her 14th birthday. >> >> Regards >> >> Eveline >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: > 269.17.13/1205 - Release Date: 31/12/2007 15:32 > >

Hi Is anyone able to tell me if it was legal for 13 year old girls be be married in 1857. I have only just realised (although I have had it on the computer for at least 2 years) that my 2x Great Aunt Aunt was married 8 months before her 14th birthday. Regards Eveline

Happy New Year all (now 15 mins to 2008 in my timezone) For anyone with an interest in William EATON and Ann POWELL of Martley then Hartlebury, who came to Australia in 1858 with 3 generations of their family on the good ship Irene, there is a 150 year anniversary reunion in Woodford Queensland (where many descendants settled) in Feb 2008. Anybody with an interest, please contact me and I can put you in touch with the organisers. Below is the extended family in Worcestershire (not showing events in Australia). Cheers Steve Sims 1. Benjamin EATON & Mary (? JONES m. Worcester St Clement 19 May 1777) 2. Thomas EATON c 16 Nov 1777 Martley Mary AMPHLETT c 4 Feb 1776 Neen Sollars m 30 Mar 1801 Worcester St Clement 3. Thomas EATON c 18 Oct 1801 Martley 3. Thomas EATON c 5 Feb 1804 Martley 3. William EATON c 7 Dec 1806 Martley (came to Australia with his family in 1858) Ann POWELL c 25 Mar 1809 Wichenford m 28 Sep 1828 Wichenford 4. Charles Edward EATON c 23 May 1830 Martley Emma COOK b c1827 Stourport m 15 Aug 1852 Hartlebury 5. William Charles EATON b c1852 Hartlebury? 5. George EATON b 26 Dec 1855 Hartlebury? 5. John Walter Irene EATON b 13 Nov 1857 on the voyage 4. George EATON c 1 Jan 1832 Martley 4. Sarah EATON c 16 Nov 1833 Martley (d in Worcestershire?) 4. Mary EATON c 1 Feb 1835 Martley (came to Australia with her family in 1859) John GRIFFITHS b c1833 Worcestershire m 14 Apr 1856 Hartlebury 5. Mary Jane GRIFFITHS b c1858 Worcestershire 5. William John GRIFFITHS b c1859 Worcestershire 4. Hannah EATON c 19 Feb 1837 Hartlebury 4. Ellen EATON c 14 Jul 1839 Hartlebury 4. Ann EATON c 8 Aug 1841 Hartlebury 4. Jane EATON b c1844 Hartlebury (my great-great-grandmother) 4. Emma EATON b c1850 Hartlebury 2. Benjamin EATON c 18 Apr 1779 Martley 2. Mary EATON c 30 Jun 1782 Martley 2. Elizabeth EATON c 8 May 1785 Martley 2. Mary EATON c 24 Aug 1788 Martley 2. John EATON c 26 Dec 1791 Martley 2. William EATON c 10 Aug 1794 Martley Susannah BIRD (niece of Mary AMPHLETT) c 22 Jun 1800 Neen Sollars m 24 Oct 1819 Shelsey Beauchamp 3. Thomas EATON b c1820 Martley 3. John EATON b c1822 Martley 3. Mary EATON c 10 Apr 1831 Martley 3. Silas EATON c 30 Sep 1833 Martley 3. Isaac EATON 9 Nov 1834 Martley 3. Samuel EATON b 1841 Martley

Hello Listers I have been away from the list for some months and only on Saturday discovered some more information about the SALWEYS of Moor Park, Ludlow. I have in the past sent information to the US to someone researching them. Will anyone please contact me again as the information (photos) is from a different church to the information I have sent before. And in writing can I wish everyone a HAPPY NEW YEAR. Regards Mike Bourne [email protected]

Don't be too disconcerted by the "change of name". The enumerator made three mistakes with all three christian names for my family in 1901 Newport - he had Catherine instead of Elizabeth, Ann instead of Amy and Alfred instead of Arthur. He must have made quick notes at the time and then been unable to read them. I am fortunate as the family remained at the same address from 1851 until 1933 - otherwise I don't think I would have realised the depth of the problem. To reiterate - the problem was the original entry not the later transcription. Each error of this sort makes me both more sceptical but also more flexible in my thinking - double edged really. Best wishes Anne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Roger Jones Sent: 30 December 2007 10:24 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [WOR] Bishops of Hanbury and Worcestershire - and Bishops ofMalvern Stephen On the 1901 census your Bishops are living in Court Road, Barnards Green, Malvern. Arthur (not Albert) Bishop head age 26 b.Malvern General labourer Alice E Bishop wife age 26 b. Cradley Kate A " dau. age 4 b. Cradley Mary J " dau. age 3 b. Malvern Beatrice M " dau. age 1 b. Malvern Frances F Gittens cousin age 15 b.Cradley Lucy Niblett boarder age 77 b. Malvern retired laundress They are not listed in Court Road 3 years later (Littlebury's Directory) Roger

Stephen On the 1901 census your Bishops are living in Court Road, Barnards Green, Malvern. Arthur (not Albert) Bishop head age 26 b.Malvern General labourer Alice E Bishop wife age 26 b. Cradley Kate A " dau. age 4 b. Cradley Mary J " dau. age 3 b. Malvern Beatrice M " dau. age 1 b. Malvern Frances F Gittens cousin age 15 b.Cradley Lucy Niblett boarder age 77 b. Malvern retired laundress They are not listed in Court Road 3 years later (Littlebury's Directory) Roger >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:eng-worcester- >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Pain >Sent: 27 December 2007 16:04 >To: [email protected] >Subject: [WOR] Bishops of Hanbury and Worcestershire - and Bishops of Malvern > >Merry Christmas to anyone around. So many thanks for the census checks - I was >interested in James Tranter b. 1776 I do not know if anyone can do a Hanbury Parish >look up for 1826 or round about for George Bishop. I would love to know his parents' >names as this will be useful. I am tracing family history for my aunt - my grandfather >was Albert Edward Bishop born 1901 in Malvern son of Albert Bishop b. 1875 Malvern >and Alice Bishop b. 1876 Cradley (Herefordshire) (nee Gittens) - anyone with info >about this family could they please contact me. I know most of the Gittens' line, but >hardly anything about the Bishop family. > > Yours, > > Stephen Pain -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: 29/12/2007 13:27

Hi Listers, I am hunting for information about the following family: William Forrester (b. 1835) wife Ann (b. 1839) Children were Rose b. 1859 Annie b.1863 married Frank Horton William b.1864 Joseph b. 1866 Richard b. 1868 Emily b. 1871 Minnie b.1873 Hettie b. 1877 married Thomas Riley(1901 census) Alfred b. 1878 ><))))'>"""" ><))))'>"""" ><))))'>"""" ><))))'>"""" Karen & Steve Horton Salmon Arm, B.C. Canada "By Grace we have been saved not by works lest any man should boast"

Hello John. Try http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/bdm/familyhistory.html for Queensland Births, Deaths and Marriages. Try http://www.ancestry.com.au/search/locality/dbpage.aspx?tp=5027&o_xid=25723&o_lid=25723&offerid=0%3a723%3a0 And there are lots of sources at http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=queensland+family+history&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8 Best of luck. Gordon [NSW] Researching COOPER, PRESTON, WILDE, WOODWARD of the Crowle area. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: ENG-WORCESTER Digest, Vol 2, Issue 289 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Anna AYRIS (John Clements) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:27:44 +1000 > From: John Clements <[email protected]> > Subject: [WOR] Anna AYRIS > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Anna married James Davies in Queensland Australia but I do not have > the date. She was born in Worcestershire in 1864 but no further > information is known. Is there any way I can find out more > in that county about her. I am currently seeking her death > certificate which may be of help. > Many thanks > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-WORCESTER list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the ENG-WORCESTER mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-WORCESTER Digest, Vol 2, Issue 289 > *********************************************

Ancestors of mine, were Thomas Bond and Mary Dewey. The IGI says they were married on 27 April 1788 at St Edmund in Salisbury, Wilts. Thomas may have been a farmer. One of their children was my great great grandmother Susannah was baptised at Malmesbury Westport St Mary on 17 April 1808. Susannah was married twice, once to someone named Hawkins and the secont time to my great grandfather Bryan MacSweeney. Does anyone have any further information on the Bond family. Many thanks

Anna married James Davies in Queensland Australia but I do not have the date. She was born in Worcestershire in 1864 but no further information is known. Is there any way I can find out more in that county about her. I am currently seeking her death certificate which may be of help. Many thanks

Dear John, Having seen Polly's posting of the Dudley Birth Registration, I'd say that it was extremely likely to be yours - a far better chance, anyway, than my Kidderminster HARRIS! I've also tried another dip into the 1871 Census - this time merely looking for "AYRIS" born 'anywhere' 1861-71 - and got 13 hits. NONE of them were recorded as being born in Worcestershire (or Staffordshire, for the greater part of Dudley Registration District was in that County - nor Shropshire nor Warwickshire as they might be considered 'close enough' to tell a Census Enumerator)... There *was* a "Hannah C." - born c.1861, Northamptonshire, daughter of a John & Ann - but again I'm sure this can't be yours. Equally, there was no likely hit when searching for "Hannah, born Dudley, 1863 +/-2". However, I'm using the Ancestry Transcription/Index which is by no means flawless (the variations they come up with for 'TYSOE' beggar belief) but the net results at least seem to indicate that she seems unlikely to've been in England at that stage. Gus

Hello Worcs List, Following a family get together at Christmas got talking of ancestry and now looking for marriage record of Thomas Avery b 1825, cordwainer of Worcester to Elizabeth (maiden name unknown) b 1819 china burnisher. Would be good to learn of Elizabeth's surname plus date /place of marriage. Is her occupation as a Chine burnisher well known in the Worcester ceramics trade ? Thanks for any information Alan Booth

Hi John This is just a reference from the GRO [General Register Office] birth indexes, telling you that a birth of a Hannah AYRIS was registered in the three months Oct, Nov or Dec in the Registration District of Dudley (which is in Worcestershire). The figures lead to the Volume (6c) and page (140) in the registers to give the birth certificate. As Gus says you really need to discover when she emigrated - this may have been with her parents which will help to identify her in this country. Also hopefully her marriage and death certificates may help a little more with her origins. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Clements" <[email protected]> To: "Polly Rubery" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [WOR] Anna AYRIS Dear Polly, Thanks very much for your very quick reply. I am sorry that I don't know what Dudley 6c 140 means. Regards John On 27/12/2007, at 6:01 PM, Polly Rubery wrote: > Hi John > > FreeBMD shows this birth: > > Births Dec 1863 Ayris Hannah Dudley 6c 140 > > Perhaps this is your "Anna"? > Polly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Clements" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 6:27 AM > Subject: [WOR] Anna AYRIS > > > Anna married James Davies in Queensland Australia but I do not have > the date. She was born in Worcestershire in 1864 but no further > information is known. Is there any way I can find out more > in that county about her. I am currently seeking her death > certificate which may be of help. > Many thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message