Hello Viv Your suggestion is very possible - in fact I had wondered whether Edwin might have been the son of his elder "sister" Emily who would have been about 17 when he was born, I know that illegitimate children were sometimes disguised in that way. It looks as though he may be one of those little snags that crop up in family history and can't be resolved - he grew up to be a nasty piece of work too! Joan Message: 7 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:44:17 -0000 From: "Mike Palmer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WOR] Pound of Rochford To: "Joan Cowdell" <[email protected]>, "Mailing List Worcs." <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Hello Joan, I am wondering if all these children really were George and Elizabeth's. George and Maria's baptisms are also missing from the IGI extracted records, and if Maria was 17 in 1891 then she would be the same age as her sister Elizabeth, and Elizabeth's baptism is on IGI. Maria's age is not clear so maybe she was 7 as she's at the end of the list, but her mother was then 54, making her 47 at the time of birth. That's not impossible, but they could have been taking in the children of an older son or daughter (their eldest, Henry, was born in 1864). The younger children could have been born elsewhere and possibly with a different name! I don't want to make you feel pessimistic, but it's a good idea to keep all the options open! Viv ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:53:36 -0000 From: "Mike Palmer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WOR] Pound of Rochford To: "WorcsList rootsweb" <[email protected]>, "Joan Cowdell" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Hi Joan, I did find Maria baptised in 1882, which makes her at least 9 in 1891, not 7 or 17! That still leaves George and Edwin to find. Maybe it was mix and match, some of their children and some extra ones. Maria was the same age as George if he was really 9 in 1891 so maybe they juggled the ages to make it look believable! Viv Could anyone offer advice on a problem? I have George and Elizabeth POUND recorded on every census from 1871 to 1901 living at Rochford, Worcs. with a dozen or so children. The births of the children are all recorded at the GRO and their baptisms appear on the IGI ? all except one, and of course he is the one I need! He is Edwin POUND born about 1876 and he doesn?t seem to have been registered or baptised, and I don?t understand why when all the other children were ? and he wasn?t the first or last child, he came right in the middle. He is on the 1881 census aged 5, on the 1891 aged 14, and on the 1901 (called Edward but I can accept that as a mistake by the enumerator) aged 25. Does anyone have access to the Rochford parish records, who would be willing to look at children of George and Elizabeth through the 1870?s? And has anyone got any other suggestions? I would really like his birth certificate but I need some proof that he was born! Joan No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 04/02/2008 10:10

Re: John Briscoe. Is there a possiblity that he had more than one Christian name? One of 'my lot' was given three first names and different combinations were used for birth death & marriage! It may be worth trawling through the contiguous parishes for any similarities. Just a thought! Rob.

Hi Joan, I did find Maria baptised in 1882, which makes her at least 9 in 1891, not 7 or 17! That still leaves George and Edwin to find. Maybe it was mix and match, some of their children and some extra ones. Maria was the same age as George if he was really 9 in 1891 so maybe they juggled the ages to make it look believable! Viv

Hello Joan, I am wondering if all these children really were George and Elizabeth's. George and Maria's baptisms are also missing from the IGI extracted records, and if Maria was 17 in 1891 then she would be the same age as her sister Elizabeth, and Elizabeth's baptism is on IGI. Maria's age is not clear so maybe she was 7 as she's at the end of the list, but her mother was then 54, making her 47 at the time of birth. That's not impossible, but they could have been taking in the children of an older son or daughter (their eldest, Henry, was born in 1864). The younger children could have been born elsewhere and possibly with a different name! I don't want to make you feel pessimistic, but it's a good idea to keep all the options open! Viv From: "Joan Cowdell" <[email protected]> > > Could anyone offer advice on a problem? I have George and Elizabeth > POUND recorded on every census from 1871 to 1901 living at Rochford, > Worcs. with a dozen or so children. The births of the children are all > recorded at the GRO and their baptisms appear on the IGI – all except > one, and of course he is the one I need! He is Edwin POUND born about > 1876 and he doesn’t seem to have been registered or baptised, and I > don’t understand why when all the other children were – and he wasn’t > the first or last child, he came right in the middle. He is on the 1881 > census aged 5, on the 1891 aged 14, and on the 1901 (called Edward but I > can accept that as a mistake by the enumerator) aged 25. > > Does anyone have access to the Rochford parish records, who would be > willing to look at children of George and Elizabeth through the 1870’s? > And has anyone got any other suggestions? I would really like his birth > certificate but I need some proof that he was born! >

Hi Stan >From the West Midlands BMD indx this marriage took place at Oldbury Holy Trinity. HTH Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Langley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:51 PM Subject: [WOR] WILLOCK/HAYNES marriage 1859 I am newly subscribed to the list - and in need of a little help from a lister with knowledge of the Oldbury area and easy access to parish marriage registers. Thomas Willock and Ann (HAYNES) were married in the Jun qtr of 1859 in the West Bromwich district and I think it probable in Oldbury as they are listed there in 1861. Piece: RG9/2023 Place: Oldbury WOR -Staffordshire Enumeration District: 21 Civil Parish: Oldbury Ecclesiastical Parish: Langley Folio: 145 Page: 9 Schedule: 39 Address: Trinity Street WILLOCK Thomas Head M M 27 Labourer Staffordshire - - WILLOCK Ann Wife M F 26 Staffordshire - - WILLOCK Mary Jane Dau U F 1 Worcestershire - Langley Is there anyone who could check the Oldbury marriage registers on my behalf and relay the full detail? I am trying to determine the name and calling of the groom's father who had gone to meet his maker by 1851, and his mother remarried. The Staffordshire birthplace for Thomas is suspect - stated to Ireland in both '51 and '71.. In return I may well be able to assist anyone with research problems in the King's Lynn area of Norfolk. Stan L. Langley, West Norfolk, U.K. Principal Interests: JICKLING; LANGLEY; RICHMOND; WAD(DE)LOW. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2552 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am newly subscribed to the list - and in need of a little help from a lister with knowledge of the Oldbury area and easy access to parish marriage registers. Thomas Willock and Ann (HAYNES) were married in the Jun qtr of 1859 in the West Bromwich district and I think it probable in Oldbury as they are listed there in 1861. Piece: RG9/2023 Place: Oldbury WOR -Staffordshire Enumeration District: 21 Civil Parish: Oldbury Ecclesiastical Parish: Langley Folio: 145 Page: 9 Schedule: 39 Address: Trinity Street WILLOCK Thomas Head M M 27 Labourer Staffordshire - - WILLOCK Ann Wife M F 26 Staffordshire - - WILLOCK Mary Jane Dau U F 1 Worcestershire - Langley Is there anyone who could check the Oldbury marriage registers on my behalf and relay the full detail? I am trying to determine the name and calling of the groom's father who had gone to meet his maker by 1851, and his mother remarried. The Staffordshire birthplace for Thomas is suspect - stated to Ireland in both '51 and '71.. In return I may well be able to assist anyone with research problems in the King's Lynn area of Norfolk. Stan L. Langley, West Norfolk, U.K. Principal Interests: JICKLING; LANGLEY; RICHMOND; WAD(DE)LOW. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2552 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hello List Could anyone offer advice on a problem? I have George and Elizabeth POUND recorded on every census from 1871 to 1901 living at Rochford, Worcs. with a dozen or so children. The births of the children are all recorded at the GRO and their baptisms appear on the IGI – all except one, and of course he is the one I need! He is Edwin POUND born about 1876 and he doesn’t seem to have been registered or baptised, and I don’t understand why when all the other children were – and he wasn’t the first or last child, he came right in the middle. He is on the 1881 census aged 5, on the 1891 aged 14, and on the 1901 (called Edward but I can accept that as a mistake by the enumerator) aged 25. Does anyone have access to the Rochford parish records, who would be willing to look at children of George and Elizabeth through the 1870’s? And has anyone got any other suggestions? I would really like his birth certificate but I need some proof that he was born! Joan No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 04/02/2008 10:10

I am a direct descendant of the Reverend Edmund Clent(chr 28 Mar 1572 Rochford) who was minister of Rochford for more than 50 years and buried 24 Jul 1658 at Rochford. He had 9 children all christened at Rochford 1607 to 1620 by his wife, Joyce. I would very much like to learn of his marriage or the surname of his wife, Joyce. I am wondering if there is any kind of MI at Rochford which might have this info. Is There anyone nearby who might check or may have another idea? Thank you. Stephen J. Kelsey www.geocities.com/sjkelsey2000 www.woodyatt.bravehost.com

Hello Barbara, There are two possible causes for trouble and confusion here... 1) Marriages from 1754 merely required the Parish where either party was resident at the time of the marriage - and that need be little more than a month. It isn't the Parish where they were born - or where they had Settlement (although it is of course possible). 2) Great Shelsley is the old name of Shelsley Beauchamp. I assume from your having quoted a year of birth for him that you have found him either in the 1841 Census or a burials register - but ages given in these are by no means guaranteed to be accurate... And Eldersfield has always been in Worcestershire.... It gained a bit from GLS in 1931, and in 1965 exchanged various parts with GLS. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Jackson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: [WOR] John Briscoe born 1777 ? where Is anyone very clever and could they hep me break down a brickwall.my ancestor John Briscoe married Elizabeth Piper in1810 at Martley.according to the register he came from Great Shelsey.however I can find no trace of his birth! There were a family of Briscoe's living in Eldersfield ( which moves counties frequently).Can anyone find his birth for me.I strongly suspect that his ggrandfather may be the one who lived at Eldersfield,but I'm having a real problem finding him.Suggestions Please. Barbara __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is anyone very clever and could they hep me break down a brickwall.my ancestor John Briscoe married Elizabeth Piper in1810 at Martley.according to the register he came from Great Shelsey.however I can find no trace of his birth! There were a family of Briscoe's living in Eldersfield ( which moves counties frequently).Can anyone find his birth for me.I strongly suspect that his ggrandfather may be the one who lived at Eldersfield,but I'm having a real problem finding him.Suggestions Please. Barbara __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com

Hi Win, I don't have access to Old Swinford records as late as 1832 so I can't help with William's siblings, but I'm wondering if you have the same man in all of the censuses (I'm assuming that you got the occupations from these). Paper hanging isn't especially skilled (although I still can't do it!), but tailor and cabinet maker are both very skilled occupations with no transferrable skills. I've seen men who were carpenters in one census and cabinet makers in the next - the second occupation being an extension or refinement of the first, but tailor and cabinet maker both needed long apprenticeships to learn totally different sets of skills. Regards, Ellie > > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 01:24:36 +1100 > From: "Winsome Compson" <[email protected]> > Subject: [WOR] COMPSON > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hullo everyone - I am in Australia, and would appreciate any information > on the ancestors &/or siblings of William Frederick COMPSON Cr: 1st April > 1832 @ Old Swinford. His occuaption appears to have been Tailor, Paper > Hanger, Cabinet Maker. He married an Ellen SMITH born about 1835 > Stourbridge. William's parents are shown as John COMPSON & Ann. > I wonder if this John COMPSON & Ann would be the marriage dated 25th > December 1818 in Halesowen or not? If this is the correct marriage Ann may > be Ann Partridge. > You may contact me at winbri at bigpond.com. > Win > > >

Hullo everyone - I am in Australia, and would appreciate any information on the ancestors &/or siblings of William Frederick COMPSON Cr: 1st April 1832 @ Old Swinford. His occuaption appears to have been Tailor, Paper Hanger, Cabinet Maker. He married an Ellen SMITH born about 1835 Stourbridge. William's parents are shown as John COMPSON & Ann. I wonder if this John COMPSON & Ann would be the marriage dated 25th December 1818 in Halesowen or not? If this is the correct marriage Ann may be Ann Partridge. You may contact me at winbri at bigpond.com. Win

Hello Everyone, I am looking for any descendents of Ellen Phoebe born Worcester 1845 and William Lewis born Oxford 1846. They were the children of Joshua Lewis and his 1st wife Sofia Brown both of Worcestershire Thank you Margaret --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 04 Feb, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Everyone > Trying to trace the Witten family of Old Swinford in particular anyone > called Sergeant/Sarjant Witten. I have an ancestor from the Bristol > area with this name and believe his family may have originated in the > Old Swinford/Kingswinford area. The IGI index have a couple of matching > names which, as its so unusual, would suggest a link. However the name > appears to disappear after baptism. Does anyone know if this is because > it gets shortened or changed to something. I know its of French origin > but other than that nothing. Hi there Can't help with the name, but is there a glass worker connection here? Some of my DANCERs moved from Old Swinford to the Bristol glass company. > Cheers > Lennie -- Chris Pampling researching: BARRATT, DANCER, FELLOWS, GOODES, HOLDING, ROBINSON, TUCKLEY, WHEWAY, MAHER all in and around Birmingham/Smethwick, 1850 to present day PAMPLING Cambridgeshire - Sheffield, 1800 to present VARNDELL Wokingham - Birmingham, 1800 to present

Any dates would be handy! John ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: [WOR] Witten > Hi Everyone > > Trying to trace the Witten family of Old Swinford in particular anyone > called Sergeant/Sarjant Witten. I have an ancestor from the Bristol area > with this name and believe his family may have originated in the Old > Swinford/Kingswinford area. The IGI index have a couple of matching names > which, as its so unusual, would suggest a link. However the name appears > to disappear after baptism. Does anyone know if this is because it gets > shortened or changed to something. I know its of French origin but other > than that nothing. > > Cheers > > Lennie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Everyone Trying to trace the Witten family of Old Swinford in particular anyone called Sergeant/Sarjant Witten. I have an ancestor from the Bristol area with this name and believe his family may have originated in the Old Swinford/Kingswinford area. The IGI index have a couple of matching names which, as its so unusual, would suggest a link. However the name appears to disappear after baptism. Does anyone know if this is because it gets shortened or changed to something. I know its of French origin but other than that nothing. Cheers Lennie

Hello, I am trying to trace the baptism (and of course parents) of John Hatton who was born about 1762 in Pershore. He married a Sarah Turey in 1783 at Holy Cross, Pershore. Any information, at all, would be most gratefully received. Thank you. Don Groves in West Wales.

Hi Wendy, Further on Viv's reply, this looks like Thomas's father William as shown in the census; from the BMSGH parish register transcripts for Martley, baptisms (note that this name has a few variant spellings): 1802 31 Oct William s of John & Mary BOWCOTT This looks like the marriage of John & Mary at Martley (it's the only Bowcott marriage in Martley from 1743 to 1837): 1791 3 Apr John BOWCOT & Mary EATON of Shelsley This means these Bowcotts are probably rellies of mine, as my ancestors include Eatons of Martley (also ag labs at this time) and I know they had connections in Shelsley. However I don't yet know where this Mary of Shelsley fits in. BTW I think when the PRs say Shelsley they usually mean Shelsley Beauchamp rather than Shelsley Walsh or Shelsley Kings. These are all the Martley baptisms for John & Mary: 1792 29 Jul Ann d of John & Mary BOWCOTT 1794 18 May Sarah d of John & Mary BOWCOTT 1796 8 May Ann d of John & Mary BOWCOTT 1799 30 Jun Jas. s of Jno. & Mary BOWCOTT 1802 31 Oct William s of John & Mary BOWCOTT 1806 16 Mar John s of John & Mary BOWCOTT 1809 21 May Mary Maria d of John & Mary BOWCOTT In the burials I could not find the Ann bapt 1792 though the first one below is a possible (though unlikely) mistranscription of Ann as Wm. The 2nd looks like the Sarah bapt 1794. 1793 21 Feb Wm. BOWCOTT 1818 17 Jun Sarah BOUCOTT (24) Finally there are 2 burials that look like John & Mary: 1827 1 Jul John BOWCUTT (63) 1828 27 May Mary BOWCUTT (63) There are only 3 other BOWCOTT baptisms apart from this family; and a few earlier burials; but no obvious connections to the John & Mary family at Martley. My transcripts end at 1838 and none of William & Ann's children are there. However if you look in the IGI (batch C132682) you'll see that though the children are listed in the census as born Martley, they were in fact baptised at Shelsley Beauchamp. There's also a William bapt 1826 who may or may not belong. Regards Steve Mike Palmer wrote: > Looks like you're right Wendy! > > 1851 Shelsey Beauchamp, at 47 Southwood: > > William BOWKETT head 49 Farm labourer born Martley, WOR > Ann " wife 44 also " " born Collinston? > HEF (should be Collington??) > > Children Hannah 15 Maria 12 Thomas 8 James 3 all born Martley > > Viv >

Hello Wendy, I have a James Bowkett, from census records, born 1861 Leigh WOR, married to Louisa Perkins in Acton Beauchamp about 1887-88. They had children, Mary Louisa 1888, Nelly 1890, James W. 1897, and Charles E. 1895, all in Acton Beauchamps. This area isn't far from Shelsey and even closer to Martley. I have been unable to find a birth on Free bmd, or Freereg, or Family search for James, so who knows, he might be your James. Heather Wendy wrote: > Wonder if anyone else is researching the BOWKETT family? I have a Thomas Bowkett born 1843 in Shelsey. His parents may have been William and Ann but I haven't proved it yet. Please does SKS have the 1851 census for Shelsey so I could see the family at that time, or a record of baptisms for 1843 in Selsey? > many thanks for any help > Wendy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

A possible marriage: Surname (Male) Forename (Male) Date Surname (Female) Forename (Female) Place of Marriage B/L Parish of Origin BOWKETT WILLIAM 18300628 WOOD ANN UPPER SAPEY +(W) >From the HFHS pre-1837 Marriage Index, available on CD. Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Palmer" <[email protected]> To: "Wendy" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] BOWKETT Looks like you're right Wendy! 1851 Shelsey Beauchamp, at 47 Southwood: William BOWKETT head 49 Farm labourer born Martley, WOR Ann " wife 44 also " " born Collinston? HEF (should be Collington??) Children Hannah 15 Maria 12 Thomas 8 James 3 all born Martley Viv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [WOR] BOWKETT > Wonder if anyone else is researching the BOWKETT family? I have a Thomas Bowkett born 1843 in Shelsey. His parents may have been William and Ann but I haven't proved it yet. Please does SKS have the 1851 census for Shelsey so I could see the family at that time, or a record of baptisms for 1843 in Selsey? > many thanks for any help > Wendy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message