Hi John, Joseph Barton (Alice's) father was a Gunsmith (confirmed by Alice's Birth Certificate which I received today, excellent service from Birmingham register office). Her mother's former name was Mary Ann Horton. Her father turns out to be a Gun Borer. They lived in the Bishop Ryder area of Birmingham, now obliterated by Aston University Campus and Science Park. I have to research this further but I suspect that Joseph received some kind of apprenticeship in the Gun Trade, met Mary Ann because her father worked with Joseph, They married in Q/E Sept 1853 Aston v 6d p 350. The newlyweds in search of an amazing future life together uproot and take themselves to Enfield. Now I have heard of Enfield I'm sure they are rifles. So young Joseph goes to Enfield to make guns. They have two children, find life is tough or perhaps one of their parents needs help and they come back to Birmingham. Joseph remains a Gun Smith even after Mary Ann's untimely death at the age of 42 in Aston, v6d p79. Joseph is later found living with his younger son and his wife in Aston in 1891. Joseph younger is a Gun Barrel borer. But disaster strikes. In 1895 Q/E Sept Aston v6d p234, Joseph younger dies at the age of 26. Furthermore the elusive Harriet Barton (of Kelly's fame) is found living in Enfield in 1861 with the Barton's. She is 13 years old a Servant and described as a Nursemaid to the two children who are 3 months old and 2 years old respectively. But we still can't find the missing marriage certificate!!!!!!!! That's all for the time being. Any comments are always appreciated. Kind regards Allen -----Original Message----- From: JR [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 20 February 2008 17:18 To: Allen Cook Subject: Re: [WOR] Re Kelly's, Davis, Barton Thanks Allan, Hhmm! interesting birthplace of Elizabeth. I wonder if they arrived in Birmingham by canal? Will let you know if i find Alice with parents or her marriage. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Cook" <[email protected]> To: "'JR'" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: RE: [WOR] Re Kelly's, Davis, Barton Hi John, I'm a bit wary at this stage to have claimed success on this one but I have found the following. Yes I spotted the 1891 entry but at first I disregarded it as the ages of Alice didn't match. But as you know I am fairly happy that the ages were reversed on the 1901 census. I have sent for Alice's birth certificate from Birmingham RO and am awaiting it's arrival. Furthermore I think I have traced the family in 1871. No Alice of course as it's before her birth but the entry is as follows: 1871 RG10/3143 Folio no 31 Pages 9 - 10 94 Holt St Birmingham (slap bang where I would expect it to be) Joseph Barton Head Mar age 36 Gunsmith B'ham Warwick's Mary Ann Barton Wife mar age 36 B'ham Warwick's Mary Ann Barton dau age 11 Scholar Enfield Middx Elizabeth Barton dau age 11 Scholar Enfield Middx. Joseph Barton son age 2 B'ham Warwick's Mary Ann and Elizabeth are the two sisters on the 1891 census. 1891 Census RG12/2409 Folio 117 Page 21 1 Back of 80 Arthur Street, Bordesley Elizabeth Broadhead Head Widow age 30 Bedstead Ornamenter Born Enfield Lock Middlesex Alice Barton Sister age 14 Button Coverer Born Birmingham Warwick's Rose Broadhead Daughter age 11 Scholar Born Birmingham Warwicks Lizzie Broadhead Daughter age 6 Scholar Born Birmingham Warwicks Marion Broadhead Daughter age 4 Thomas Killiner Lodger age 29 Brickyard labourer Born Smethwick Staffs Mary A Killiner Lodger age 31 Born Enfield Lock Middlesex Thomas Killiner age 5 Born Birmingham Warwicks Horace Killiner age 4 months Born Birmingham Warwicks If you do a search for Elizabeth Broadhead in 1881 she is living with her husband and his parents The strange thing is though his parents are Joseph Broadhead and Mary Ann Broadhead different ages to our Joseph Barton and Mary Ann Barton, but what sort of coincidence is that! But I still can't find Alice in 1881 or her marriage to Albert Edward Davis. Most frustrating. Harriet Barton from the 1916 Kelly's remains a complete mystery at the moment. I might phone ITV and ask for one of the cast of The Bill to help, they seem to solve all their mysteries quite easily!! LOL I'm giving it a rest for the remainder of today. Speak to you later. Thanks for your interest and help. Regards Allen -----Original Message----- From: JR [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 20 February 2008 09:37 To: Allen Cook Subject: Re: [WOR] Re Kelly's, Davis, Barton Hello again Allen, You probably have this; it would seem that Alice aged 14 and a button coverer; is living with her widowed sis in 1891 in Aston. I wonder is the Harriet from Kelly's , Alice's mother or an unmarried aunt! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Cook" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: [WOR] Re Kelly's, Davis, Barton > Hi John, > > You seem to have the bug! Thanks for your help. The 1901 census is as > follows > > 1901 Census Rg 13/2840 Folio 129 page 26 > > 14 Court 3 Frankfort Street > > Albert Davis Head, Age 24 Pearl Button Cutter Born Birmingham Warwicks > > Alice Davis wife Age 26 Press Worker Born Birmingham Warwicks > > Alice Davis Daughter age 1 born Birmingham Warwicks > > This is definitely them because of the daughter Alice. I have her > wedding and Birth certificate. However I believe Albert and Alice's > ages have been swapped! Alice was 69 in 1946 when she died. This > would make her 24 in 1901. and possibly Albert died in 1937 age 63 > which would make him 26/7 in 1901. Therefore in 1891 Alice would have > been 14 and Albert would have been 16 which rules out both people that > you found. Also according to the original image of the 1901 all the > people on the page were Ditto'd. I've come across this a couple of > times now where the enumerator got it wrong and > they were born elsewhere, the possibility of which opens up a possible can > of worms. The Albert Edward comes from the birth certificate of one of > their > four children. He registered the birth and got his name right. > Everywhere > else Alice seems to have been in control and misses out Edward, which > would > have been the same on his death registration. I'm sorry I'm rambling on > too > much but any further help or suggestions I would be most grateful for. > > Regards > > Allen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Terry Mine only have them as wife of or widow of, no maiden names, I too wish they did Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree is at http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "TERRY DIPPLE" <[email protected]> To: "'JR'" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [WOR] Death cert's in the 1920's > Listers - does anyone know if married women's death cert's gave their > maiden > names in 1928? > Thanks - Terry > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I have come up against a bit of a brick wall, I am trying to find the parents of George Bentley b abt 1789 married Elizabeth Wheeler, 16 Nov 1820 Spetchley, Worcester, George was an Auctioneer in Worcester, any help would be greatly appreciated Thanks Carole New Zealand

hello I have just discovered another strand of my family tree. I have an Ann ALBUTT of Bromsgrove marrying Joseph Bell at Bromsgrove in 1810. I am therefore keen to unearth the family of Ann. Is anyone else researching this surname? Jayne Williams

I very much doubt it Terry. My grandmother, Norah Hale, died in 1943, and what was given on her death cert was her married name only and under occupation: "Widow of Ernest Hale Gas Fitter". >From this I could have obtained their marriage certificate. Her maiden name was on that, together with the name and occupation of her father. If she had been married before I don't know if the maiden name would have been given. Viv From: "TERRY DIPPLE" <[email protected]> > Listers - does anyone know if married women's death cert's gave their maiden > names in 1928?

TERRY DIPPLE wrote: > Listers - does anyone know if married women's death cert's gave their maiden > names in 1928? No, they didn't. I don't think that information was included until the 1990s. You'll find this site useful for what is and is not on English and Welsh certificates: http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm

Hello Jill, James and Louisa were in Tanworth, Warks (Solihull registration district) in 1871, according to the birthplace which is given as Hook Norton, although Oxfordshire appears to be crossed out. The enumerator's writing is difficult to decipher so from the transcription record (which appears correct): James Painting 31 Louisa Painting 38 James 12 Betsy M 10 John 8 Caroline 6 Fredrick 3 Emily 1 William under 2 months the address appears to be Tinkers Lane (or next to it), the house is High Chimneys. James is an Ag Lab, the two younger children were born in Tanworth, the others in Hook Norton. Viv From: "J Morley" <[email protected]> > Good morning > I would like to know if anyone has access to the 1871 census for Worcester > or Warwickshire. > I am not sure which county the town of Yardley is in? > > I am looking for James and his wife Louisa PAINTING > I think were in Yardley or in this area in 1871 both were born in > Oxfordshire Hook Norton.

Hi John, I'm a bit wary at this stage to have claimed success on this one but I have found the following. Yes I spotted the 1891 entry but at first I disregarded it as the ages of Alice didn't match. But as you know I am fairly happy that the ages were reversed on the 1901 census. I have sent for Alice's birth certificate from Birmingham RO and am awaiting it's arrival. Furthermore I think I have traced the family in 1871. No Alice of course as it's before her birth but the entry is as follows: 1871 RG10/3143 Folio no 31 Pages 9 - 10 94 Holt St Birmingham (slap bang where I would expect it to be) Joseph Barton Head Mar age 36 Gunsmith B'ham Warwick's Mary Ann Barton Wife mar age 36 B'ham Warwick's Mary Ann Barton dau age 11 Scholar Enfield Middx Elizabeth Barton dau age 11 Scholar Enfield Middx. Joseph Barton son age 2 B'ham Warwick's Mary Ann and Elizabeth are the two sisters on the 1891 census. 1891 Census RG12/2409 Folio 117 Page 21 1 Back of 80 Arthur Street, Bordesley Elizabeth Broadhead Head Widow age 30 Bedstead Ornamenter Born Enfield Lock Middlesex Alice Barton Sister age 14 Button Coverer Born Birmingham Warwick's Rose Broadhead Daughter age 11 Scholar Born Birmingham Warwicks Lizzie Broadhead Daughter age 6 Scholar Born Birmingham Warwicks Marion Broadhead Daughter age 4 Thomas Killiner Lodger age 29 Brickyard labourer Born Smethwick Staffs Mary A Killiner Lodger age 31 Born Enfield Lock Middlesex Thomas Killiner age 5 Born Birmingham Warwicks Horace Killiner age 4 months Born Birmingham Warwicks If you do a search for Elizabeth Broadhead in 1881 she is living with her husband and his parents The strange thing is though his parents are Joseph Broadhead and Mary Ann Broadhead different ages to our Joseph Barton and Mary Ann Barton, but what sort of coincidence is that! But I still can't find Alice in 1881 or her marriage to Albert Edward Davis. Most frustrating. Harriet Barton from the 1916 Kelly's remains a complete mystery at the moment. I might phone ITV and ask for one of the cast of The Bill to help, they seem to solve all their mysteries quite easily!! LOL I'm giving it a rest for the remainder of today. Speak to you later. Thanks for your interest and help. Regards Allen -----Original Message----- From: JR [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 20 February 2008 09:37 To: Allen Cook Subject: Re: [WOR] Re Kelly's, Davis, Barton Hello again Allen, You probably have this; it would seem that Alice aged 14 and a button coverer; is living with her widowed sis in 1891 in Aston. I wonder is the Harriet from Kelly's , Alice's mother or an unmarried aunt! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Cook" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: [WOR] Re Kelly's, Davis, Barton > Hi John, > > You seem to have the bug! Thanks for your help. The 1901 census is as > follows > > 1901 Census Rg 13/2840 Folio 129 page 26 > > 14 Court 3 Frankfort Street > > Albert Davis Head, Age 24 Pearl Button Cutter Born Birmingham Warwicks > > Alice Davis wife Age 26 Press Worker Born Birmingham Warwicks > > Alice Davis Daughter age 1 born Birmingham Warwicks > > This is definitely them because of the daughter Alice. I have her > wedding and Birth certificate. However I believe Albert and Alice's > ages have been swapped! Alice was 69 in 1946 when she died. This > would make her 24 in 1901. and possibly Albert died in 1937 age 63 > which would make him 26/7 in 1901. Therefore in 1891 Alice would have > been 14 and Albert would have been > 16 which rules out both people that you found. Also according to the > original image of the 1901 all the people on the page were Ditto'd. I've > come across this a couple of times now where the enumerator got it wrong > and > they were born elsewhere, the possibility of which opens up a possible can > of worms. The Albert Edward comes from the birth certificate of one of > their > four children. He registered the birth and got his name right. > Everywhere > else Alice seems to have been in control and misses out Edward, which > would > have been the same on his death registration. I'm sorry I'm rambling on > too > much but any further help or suggestions I would be most grateful for. > > Regards > > Allen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sherri There is a Careless one name study which might be able to help you with your family http://www.one-name.org/cgibin/search.cgi?find=Carelesse It gives an address of a Mr Leonard Careless in Nottingham, Eveline ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherri cameron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: [WOR] BIRD and CARELEFS, CARELESS > > Hello to everyone, > > Looking for connections to BIRD and CARELEFS, CARELESS...one time spelt > Cayless which I found on a 1876 birth registry. > My 3rd Gr. grandparents: > Joseph BIRD B. ABT. 1826 Oldbury, Stafford ~ his father Benjamin BIRD. > Joseph`s wife: Sarah Carelefs - Careless b. abt. 1830 Dudley, Worcester ~ > her father Richard Carelefs. > Joseph and Sarah married: 1846 Tipton. > Children: > Wm. BIRD b.abt 1848 Round Green, Stafford. > Joseph BIRD b.1854 Black Heath (Oldbury) Stafford. > John BIRD b.abt. 1859 Langley, (Oldbury) Stafford. > Anne S BIRD b.abt. 1863 Oldbury, Stafford. > Richard BIRD b.abt. 1866 Oldbury, Stafford. > Jesia (Jesse) BIRD b.abt. 1869 Oldbury, Stafford. > Mary Emma BIRD b.1876 Arsley, Barnsley. > Benjamin BIRD b.ABT 1874 Arsley, Barnsley. > > In the 1871 census there were three boarders: > Robert WARD (age 18) b.abt.1853 Oldbury, Stafford. > Benjamin ASTIN (age 21) b.abt. 1850 Oldbury, Stafford. > Frances FARREL or FARNELL (age 56) b.abt. 1815 Ireland. > All were coal Miners. > > I also am hoping someone can help explain the changes in districts. I > get so confused when asking for help and taking the info from the 1841 to > 1871 census. The change over from Worcester to Stafford. What infomation > does one give out when researching? Very confusing. > Thank you all for taking the time to read my message. > > Would appreciate any information. > > Regards, > > Sherri > BC Canada > _________________________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1286 - Release Date: > 18/02/2008 18:49 > >

>Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:26:41 +1100 >To: "Helen Verrall" <[email protected]> >From: Bill Stone <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: [WOR] Stones of Bushley >Bcc: <[email protected]> > >Hi, Helen! >Thanks for that info. We both seem to be barking up the same >tree. What is your connection with Stones and Bushley? Perhaps >we have other information of mutual interest to exchange. >Regards, >Bill > > > > >At 08:26 PM 18/02/2008, you wrote: >>Bill >> >> >> >From " English Parish Records " published by Ancestry. >> >>Bushley Baptisms >> >>13 Oct 1717 William, s. of Fran. & Anne Stone. >> >>06 Jun 1719 Francis, s. of Fran. & Anne Stone. >> >>13 Aug 1721 Mary, d. of Francis & Anne Stone. * >> >>One very early STONE Marriage in Bushley >> >>03 Apr 1592 John Jeffreys & Margrett Stone, of Longdon, by cirtyfficate, >>brought from Mr. Tyrrett, vycare there mar. >> >>I have checked the Record I own and like you cannot locate a Marriage for >>Francis and Ann. >> >>Helen >>New Zealand >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Stone >>Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 3:19 PM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: [WOR] Stones of Bushley >> >>Hi! >>I'm coming back into the loop after an absence of several years >>because I have come up against a 'Stone' wall! >>I am researching the Stone family (-ies) of Bushley. I had >>believed the Robert Stone, who settled there after he married >>Elizabeth George at Bushley in 1775, was the first of the 5 >>generations of Bushley Stones in my ancestry but I have since found >>others who pre-date his arrival. Mary, daughter of Francis and >>Ann Stone, was christened at Bushley on 13 August, 1721, many years >>before Robert's arrival. I cannot find any trace of Francis and >>Ann in Worcestershire but, as Bushley is only a Stone's throw from >>the River Severn, they may have been blow-ins from >>Gloucestershire. I know that there was a clutch of Stones at >>Deerhurst, only about 9 miles away across the border. >>Does anyone have any information on a possible connection? >>Bill Stone >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1284 - Release Date: >>2/17/2008 2:39 PM

I could not open the file you sent but thankyou anyway for trying Thankyou again Sincerely Jill

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Good morning I would like to know if anyone has access to the 1871 census for Worcester or Warwickshire. I am not sure which county the town of Yardley is in? I am looking for James and his wife Louisa PAINTING I think were in Yardley or in this area in 1871 both were born in Oxfordshire Hook Norton. Thankyou in anticipation Jill

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Hi Allen, It's fun if you only have a few ancestors hiding behind the oak panelling, a challenge occasionally can exercise the brain cells. If too many play hide and seek it can be very wearing! If you flag up the transcription errors on Ancestry it can help your new cousins get in contact! That makes it worth a little aggravation. Viv From: "Allen Cook" <[email protected]> > > Thanks for your comments, I will move forward with caution. It strikes me > that you have to double check everything, I've found so many transcription > errors. I suppose that's what makes it fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Viv, Thanks for your comments, I will move forward with caution. It strikes me that you have to double check everything, I've found so many transcription errors. I suppose that's what makes it fun!!!!!!!!!!!!! Regards Allen

Hi Allen, A word of warning! You can't always believe an age at death. Remember that the person in question is then in no situation to put the record straight. I ordered the death certificate of my great grandfather Henry Williams secure in the knowledge that the age at death was correct, but I received the cert for another Henry. I then noticed that my Henry's age at the previous census made him seem younger so I then discovered the correct death registration which had a similar inconsistency. As a general rule I would believe an early census record rather than an age at death, so I wouldn't rule someone out because of an apparent 2 year difference in age. Hope this helps. Viv From: "Allen Cook" <[email protected]> > However I believe Albert and Alice's ages have >been swapped! Alice was 69 in 1946 when she died. This would make her 24 in > 1901. and possibly Albert died in 1937 age 63 which would make him 26/7 in > 1901. Therefore in 1891 Alice would have been 14 and Albert would have been > 16 which rules out both people that you found.

Hi Barb, The Davis Children as requested: Alice Davis Born 3 June 1899 at 14 Court 3 Frankfort Street, Birmingham Father Albert Davis a Pearl Button Cutter. Mother Alice Davis formerly Barton Informant Alice Davis Mother residing at 14 Court 3 Frankfort Street on 10 July 1899 Edith Davis born 29 Dec 1904 22 Court 3 Berners Street, Aston Manor, Warwick's Father Albert Edward Davis a Pearl Button Cutter Journeyman Mother Alice Davis formerly Barton Informant Albert Edward Davis Father of 22 Court 3 Berners Street Aston Manor on 2 February 1905 Registrar W H Ingall Mary May Davis date of Birth 16 May 1910 Parents Albert Davis (Pearl Button Cutter) and Alice Davis formerly Barton Informant Alice Davis Mother of 10 Court 5 Great Brook Street, Aston Date informed 23 June 1910 Registrar W H Hornby Horace Albert Davis Born 27 Aug 1913 Father Albert Davis a Pearl Button Worker (Journeyman) Mother Alice Davis formerly Barton. Place of birth 5 Back 92 Berners Street Birmingham Informant Alice Davis mother 8 back 7 Lennox Street Birmingham Plus the Kelly's entries: 1916 Kelly's Directory 23 Proctor Street Birmingham Mrs. Harriett Barton Shopkeeper 1917 - 1936 Kelly's Directory 23 Proctor Street Birmingham Albert Davis Shopkeeper 1937 - 1944 Kelly's Directory 23 Proctor Street Birmingham Mrs. Alice Davis Shopkeeper Regards Allen

Hello Sherri, Oldbury is a Difficult One - almost the only simple thing one can say of it is that it was never actually a part of Staffordshire! It was a township/chapelry of Halesowen - a parish that was largely in a 'detached part' of Shropshire until 1844, when the SAL portion was transferred to Worcestershire. That said, for Censuses and the registration of BMDs it was *considered* to be in Staffordshire, for it was in West Bromwich Registration District. "The Wisdom of the Ancients" strikes again. Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherri cameron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: [WOR] BIRD and CARELEFS, CARELESS Hello to everyone, Looking for connections to BIRD and CARELEFS, CARELESS...one time spelt Cayless which I found on a 1876 birth registry. My 3rd Gr. grandparents: Joseph BIRD B. ABT. 1826 Oldbury, Stafford ~ his father Benjamin BIRD. Joseph`s wife: Sarah Carelefs - Careless b. abt. 1830 Dudley, Worcester ~ her father Richard Carelefs. Joseph and Sarah married: 1846 Tipton. Children: Wm. BIRD b.abt 1848 Round Green, Stafford. Joseph BIRD b.1854 Black Heath (Oldbury) Stafford. John BIRD b.abt. 1859 Langley, (Oldbury) Stafford. Anne S BIRD b.abt. 1863 Oldbury, Stafford. Richard BIRD b.abt. 1866 Oldbury, Stafford. Jesia (Jesse) BIRD b.abt. 1869 Oldbury, Stafford. Mary Emma BIRD b.1876 Arsley, Barnsley. Benjamin BIRD b.ABT 1874 Arsley, Barnsley. In the 1871 census there were three boarders: Robert WARD (age 18) b.abt.1853 Oldbury, Stafford. Benjamin ASTIN (age 21) b.abt. 1850 Oldbury, Stafford. Frances FARREL or FARNELL (age 56) b.abt. 1815 Ireland. All were coal Miners. I also am hoping someone can help explain the changes in districts. I get so confused when asking for help and taking the info from the 1841 to 1871 census. The change over from Worcester to Stafford. What infomation does one give out when researching? Very confusing. Thank you all for taking the time to read my message. Would appreciate any information. Regards, Sherri BC Canada _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jill, In 1871 Yardley was in the 'Ancient' County of Worcester - where it remained until 1911. BUT... For Census and Registration purposes it was in the Registration County of Warwick, as it was in Solihull Registration District. Confusing? Yes. But we have to assume that our Ancestors - and their Governments - knew what they were doing.... Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Morley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:58 PM Subject: [WOR] 1871 census for Worcester - Warickshire Good morning I would like to know if anyone has access to the 1871 census for Worcester or Warwickshire. I am not sure which county the town of Yardley is in? I am looking for James and his wife Louisa PAINTING I think were in Yardley or in this area in 1871 both were born in Oxfordshire Hook Norton. Thankyou in anticipation Jill ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message