Thanks for the quick replies to clairfy what I know about John Perryman My family tree contains the John Perryman son of Joseph from Bovey tracey and I have him and his family well documented I have become interested because I had an email from someone in Bromsgrove claiming there could be a link to my John Perryman...this is what she wrote "My father in Law thinks he came from Bovey...however our John is supposed to have been in America and Canada until possibly 1915 when he came back to England with the Canadian Force......he settled in Bromsgrove and married Mary Jane Edwards...(1917) they had my husband's father and 3 more children.......when he died in 1932.....story has it (no one left alive to tell but my father in law was not one to make things up and if his father had been honest about his adventures)....that when he married Mary Jane he was already married and 'a woman' turned up at the funurel with young children saying that he could not be married because he was already married to her...and that she had been looking for him. After our John died in 1933 Mary Jane travelled alone down to Bovey every year.My father-in-law also told us that at some point his father helped run a pub Big question...was he already married? Also we need to find some evidence of his life in America and Canada......about 15 years missing!! He said he had helped erect telegraph poles across the Rockies. My father in law said he had seen a citation from the Canadian Government to him. . Also someone is supposed to have tried to find John Perryman through the News of the World.in the 1920s...another story? t's a great story and I'd love to crack it! We need to know where John married to Harriet was and did after 1901....It's going to take some doing but I'm going to give it a go! This could be the proverbial 'skeleton in the cupboard'" I have already searched the canadian census 1911. Ships emigration and WW1 canadian enlistment papers ..I can not find any record of John Perryman who would fit on age/place of birth...hence I say family lore.. I am sceptical that the two John's are the same. My John Perryman is married with his last child born in Devon 1908. It does not seem likely that he upped and left for canada between 1908-1917. The woman who turns up at the funurel is very unlikely to be the wife of my John (Emma) her youngest child would be 25 at the time. It seems much more likely that the woman who is the second wife is local to Bromsgrove. I am hoping that some local Knowledge may unlock the true identity of John Perryman (Bromsgrove) or his second wife. Laurence ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <[email protected]> To: "spicers" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] John PERRYMAN double marriage? > Hello Laurence, > > FWIW, in the 1881 Census the only John PERRYMAN born 1870+/-2 and son of a > Joseph was the following > RG11/2158/74/95 > East Street, Bovey Tracey, Devon > Joseph PERRYMAN, Head, M, 36, M, Gen'l Labourer > Harriet PERRYMAN, Wife, M, 33, F, [nil] > John PERRYMAN, Son, U, 12, M, Scholar > Frederick C. PERRYMAN, Son, -, 11m, [nil] > all born Bovey Tracey > > I cannot find him in a simple search of the 1891. OTOH his parents, > Frederick Charles and 2 younger children were still in Bovey Tracey (but now > in Fore Street), while Joseph is an (employed) Chimney Sweep. > > > Superficially, at least, this seems not to actively disprove the family lore > of a Devon connection and a possible emigration. I wouldn't be too bothered > about his father's reported occupation in 1917 - I'd imagine it's the usual > 'trading-up' of occupations that's all too apt to occur on marriage > certificates... > > > In 1917 he'd've been c.48, which makes it sound unlikely that he'd returned > to England with the Canadian Army at that stage. [Although it's possible he > may've been a senior BCO with Administrative Duties.] More possible, > perhaps - *IF* the Canadian Army sent any troops - is that he'd been > involved in the Boer War 1899-1901, and returned from South Africa to here > rather than to Canada. > > > Another point - if the woman who turned up at the funeral with *young* > children, the presumption has to be that his 2nd "marriage" is likely to've > been in (say) the mid-late 20s. Do you have any details of what her name > might have been? And have you trawled the GRO Marriages Indexes for John > PERRYMANs from 1917 up to his death? > > Gus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "spicers" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:31 AM > Subject: [WOR] John PERRYMAN double marriage? > > > I am seeking information on a John PERRYMAN born about 1869-1872 he married > a Mary Jane EDWARDS in 1917 . > However at his death in 1933 another woman turned up with young children > claiming to be married to him. > > On Johns marriage certificate he is a pipe fitter living in bromsgrove his > father is listed as Joseph Perryman retired plumber. > > Family lore has it that John is supposed to have sailed to America and > later joined the Canadian Army. He returned to England with them and settled > in Bromsgrove. However this may be a tall story. John may also have some > Devon connection. > > I would be very grateful on any information that could throw light on any of > this!! > > Laurence > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Laurence, FWIW, in the 1881 Census the only John PERRYMAN born 1870+/-2 and son of a Joseph was the following RG11/2158/74/95 East Street, Bovey Tracey, Devon Joseph PERRYMAN, Head, M, 36, M, Gen'l Labourer Harriet PERRYMAN, Wife, M, 33, F, [nil] John PERRYMAN, Son, U, 12, M, Scholar Frederick C. PERRYMAN, Son, -, 11m, [nil] all born Bovey Tracey I cannot find him in a simple search of the 1891. OTOH his parents, Frederick Charles and 2 younger children were still in Bovey Tracey (but now in Fore Street), while Joseph is an (employed) Chimney Sweep. Superficially, at least, this seems not to actively disprove the family lore of a Devon connection and a possible emigration. I wouldn't be too bothered about his father's reported occupation in 1917 - I'd imagine it's the usual 'trading-up' of occupations that's all too apt to occur on marriage certificates... In 1917 he'd've been c.48, which makes it sound unlikely that he'd returned to England with the Canadian Army at that stage. [Although it's possible he may've been a senior BCO with Administrative Duties.] More possible, perhaps - *IF* the Canadian Army sent any troops - is that he'd been involved in the Boer War 1899-1901, and returned from South Africa to here rather than to Canada. Another point - if the woman who turned up at the funeral with *young* children, the presumption has to be that his 2nd "marriage" is likely to've been in (say) the mid-late 20s. Do you have any details of what her name might have been? And have you trawled the GRO Marriages Indexes for John PERRYMANs from 1917 up to his death? Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "spicers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: [WOR] John PERRYMAN double marriage? I am seeking information on a John PERRYMAN born about 1869-1872 he married a Mary Jane EDWARDS in 1917 . However at his death in 1933 another woman turned up with young children claiming to be married to him. On Johns marriage certificate he is a pipe fitter living in bromsgrove his father is listed as Joseph Perryman retired plumber. Family lore has it that John is supposed to have sailed to America and later joined the Canadian Army. He returned to England with them and settled in Bromsgrove. However this may be a tall story. John may also have some Devon connection. I would be very grateful on any information that could throw light on any of this!! Laurence ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, you could check the ships passenger lists for Canada and the US on the findmypast website! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "spicers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: [WOR] John PERRYMAN double marriage? >I am seeking information on a John PERRYMAN born about 1869-1872 he married >a Mary Jane EDWARDS in 1917 . > However at his death in 1933 another woman turned up with young children > claiming to be married to him. > > On Johns marriage certificate he is a pipe fitter living in bromsgrove > his father is listed as Joseph Perryman retired plumber. > > Family lore has it that John is supposed to have sailed to America and > later joined the Canadian Army. He returned to England with them and > settled in Bromsgrove. However this may be a tall story. John may also > have some Devon connection. > > I would be very grateful on any information that could throw light on any > of this!! > > Laurence > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am seeking information on a John PERRYMAN born about 1869-1872 he married a Mary Jane EDWARDS in 1917 . However at his death in 1933 another woman turned up with young children claiming to be married to him. On Johns marriage certificate he is a pipe fitter living in bromsgrove his father is listed as Joseph Perryman retired plumber. Family lore has it that John is supposed to have sailed to America and later joined the Canadian Army. He returned to England with them and settled in Bromsgrove. However this may be a tall story. John may also have some Devon connection. I would be very grateful on any information that could throw light on any of this!! Laurence

Hello Sue, You don't say WHEN you'll be in Worcester - but bearing in mind that I've only the details you give to work from, I hope I've caught you before your departure.... 1) You can probably expect to spend at least part of your time STEED-chasing in Hereford. [But there's a good train service linking it to Worcester.] 2) While Mathon WAS an odd-looking promontory of WOR projecting into HEF, it was transferred to Herefordshire in 1897. Its registers are held on film at Worcester History Centre - but those parishes to the North, West and South are not. 3) Are you absolutely *sure* that Thomas would've been married at the age of 66 AND managed to sire 4 children? 3) Where were the children reported to've been born? Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "gene ology" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: [WOR] STEED need help with research Hello I am in Worcester for a week I promised a friend I would try & research her STEED family Thomas STEED was born in around Malvern area about 1760 father believed to be Peter . Thomas married Elizabeth MASON 1826 Mathon Children Elizabeth ,Nancy,Susan Thomas, any help would be appreciated Sue --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I am in Worcester for a week I promised a friend I would try & research her STEED family Thomas STEED was born in around Malvern area about 1760 father believed to be Peter . Thomas married Elizabeth MASON 1826 Mathon Children Elizabeth ,Nancy,Susan Thomas, any help would be appreciated Sue --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox.

G'day List, Just wanting to inform all that my UK Transcriptions website is now at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~uktranscriptions/ After a couple of years frustration on a previous server, I've given up & moved to Rootsweb. I would like to thank all those who have contributed to my site over the last few years and I want to apologize to those who I haven't been able to add to my previous site. Hopefully now things will be better and I will be able to update the site regularly. All contributions greatly accepted. Regards Malcolm. PS: Apologies for cross-posting. PPS: My own personal website is now at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~plattgrigg/index.html

Very interesting and good to see local history on the site and sorry but whilst on the subject, but slightly deviating, does anyone know of any racehorses owned by the Lea & Perrins family which were trained and ridden by the Anthony's of Worcester on Pitchcroft - also, can anyone tell me what the state of play is at Cotheridge churchyard - are graves legible at all - is it worth a long journey to visit do you think - and does anyone hold any of Cotheridge records - as there are an awful lot missing circa 1830's in the History Centre!! Does the Church still hold the original books - what wld u advise? If anyone lives local to Cotheridge and has seen any Anthony gravestones - would love to know - I would imagine that there is not much to see now!! Feel free to visit this site and learn about our Anthony family - together with other Worcestershire surnames which will probably be familiar - Hundley, Bowen, Starry, Aston, Lilley, Farmer, Passey, Aspey, Craddock, Johnson, Griffiths, Davis, Taylor !!! http://www.geocities.com/sarahlissyjohn/

Terry: They don't. But it's still worth getting the certificate. The informant is very often a son, or more often daughter, of the deceased, and their birth certificate will give the required mother's maiden name. Regards Paul Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: "TERRY DIPPLE" <[email protected]> To: "'JR'" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [WOR] Death cert's in the 1920's > Listers - does anyone know if married women's death cert's gave their > maiden > names in 1928? > Thanks - Terry > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

When i lived there, there was supposed to be a recipe in the library dean On 21 Feb 2008, at 19:41, TERRY DIPPLE wrote: I didn't know this: A widely reported legend has it that "Lord Marcus Sandys, ex-Governor of Bengal" (a figure unknown to history outside this tale) encountered it while in India under the British Raj in the 1830s, missed it on his return, and commissioned the local apothecaries to recreate it. However, Brian Keogh concluded from his research in writing The Secret Sauce, a history of the Lea & Perrins firm that was published privately in 1997 to mark the 100th anniversary of the Midland Road plant, that "No Lord Sandys was ever governor of Bengal, or as far as any records show, ever in India." The Lord in question, whose identity was being discreetly veiled by Messrs. Lea and Perrins (who used to aver on the bottle's paper wrapping that the sauce came "from the recipe of a nobleman in the county") was Arthur Moyses William Sandys, 2nd Baron Sandys (1792–1860) of Ombersley Court, Worcestershire, Lieutenant-General and politician, a member of the House of Commons at the time of the legend, whose given name is being confused in the tale with that of his heir, Arthur Marcus Cecil Sandys, 3rd Baron Sandys (1798–1863), who didn't succeed to the title, however, until 1860, when the sauce was already established on the British market. The barony in the Sandys family ([sændz]) had been revived in 1802 for the second baron's mother, Mary Sandys Hill, so at the date of the legend, in the 1830s, "Lord" Sandys was actually a Lady. No identifiable reference to her could possibly appear on a commercial bottled sauce without a serious breach of decorum. It is likely her heir agreed to sell the recipe. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of B DOBSON Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [WOR] Ombersley Court Does anyone know of a picture of Ombersley Court on a website? My Granparents met there when working there and I would like to include a photo in my family history. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know of a picture of Ombersley Court on a website? My Granparents met there when working there and I would like to include a photo in my family history.

Hello Edward, I am interested, but sadly too far away to visit for this. Would you or Ann be related to George INETT, who was a War Office clerk? He married my aunt Norah Mabel HALE in Worcester in 1928. Norah died in 1957 in Great Yarmouth. I know they had a daughter who I never met, she was my only first cousin on my Dad's side of the family, and she was born in Birmingham. Viv From: "Edward Inett" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Ann Inett > > Are you interested in the Ann Inett story? >

Subject: Ann Inett Are you interested in the Ann Inett story? Ann Inett was born in Abberley in Worcestershire in 1754 but was sentenced to death at the Easter Assize in Worcester in 1786 - later to be reprieved and transported to Botany Bay on the First Fleet. On Wednesday, 5th March at 7.30pm... Dr.Ted Inett, a latterday kinsman of Ann Inett, will relate the story of her incarceration, her voyage on the First Fleet, her life on Norfolk Island and in New Sales Wales and her subsequent return to England after some 34 years "beyond the seas"... before the Kidderminster & District Archaeological and Historical Society meeting at St.George's Church Annex, Radford Avenue, (off the A456 Birmingham - Kidderminster Road), Kidderminster. Further details from [email protected]

I didn't know this: A widely reported legend has it that "Lord Marcus Sandys, ex-Governor of Bengal" (a figure unknown to history outside this tale) encountered it while in India under the British Raj in the 1830s, missed it on his return, and commissioned the local apothecaries to recreate it. However, Brian Keogh concluded from his research in writing The Secret Sauce, a history of the Lea & Perrins firm that was published privately in 1997 to mark the 100th anniversary of the Midland Road plant, that "No Lord Sandys was ever governor of Bengal, or as far as any records show, ever in India." The Lord in question, whose identity was being discreetly veiled by Messrs. Lea and Perrins (who used to aver on the bottle's paper wrapping that the sauce came "from the recipe of a nobleman in the county") was Arthur Moyses William Sandys, 2nd Baron Sandys (1792–1860) of Ombersley Court, Worcestershire, Lieutenant-General and politician, a member of the House of Commons at the time of the legend, whose given name is being confused in the tale with that of his heir, Arthur Marcus Cecil Sandys, 3rd Baron Sandys (1798–1863), who didn't succeed to the title, however, until 1860, when the sauce was already established on the British market. The barony in the Sandys family ([sændz]) had been revived in 1802 for the second baron's mother, Mary Sandys Hill, so at the date of the legend, in the 1830s, "Lord" Sandys was actually a Lady. No identifiable reference to her could possibly appear on a commercial bottled sauce without a serious breach of decorum. It is likely her heir agreed to sell the recipe. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of B DOBSON Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [WOR] Ombersley Court Does anyone know of a picture of Ombersley Court on a website? My Granparents met there when working there and I would like to include a photo in my family history. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, This is only a suggestion, but there's a death on FreeBMD... Deaths Sep 1893 Farmer Susannah 83 Martley 6c 149 The censuses from 1891 backwards are consistent with a Susan FARMER born about 1810 Martley, married to John FARMER. Then there's this IGI 'patron submitted' entry... Susanna Johnson Christening: 09 APR 1809 Martley, Worcester, England Parents: Father: Benjamin Johnson Mother: Mrs. Mary Johnson Could she be Sarah's sister? 'Benjamin' could be a common factor? Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Howes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:22 PM Subject: [WOR] Susannah Farmer > Can anyone help with location of Susannah Farmer died c1896 Worcs. and > documentation discovered yesterday linking her as aunt to Ezekiel and > Benjamin ANTHONY b 1834 and 1840, Powick and Leigh with Bransford > respectively, brothers,children of Ezekiel and Sarah (Johnson) Powick, > cannot find the connection - have searched and searched. What am I > missing? Executor to Susannah's will was James Edwards of Martley (decd) > by 1911 when Ezekiel's wife (Catherine) in New York, USA (can't find) > searched for trust of shares left to her decd. husband and his brother > Benjamin. If anyone can offer any assistance I would be grateful - the > best way forward - where to look etc. Really need to find how Susannah is > connected to Ezekiel Anthony - all ideas welcomed.

Can anyone help with location of Susannah Farmer died c1896 Worcs. and documentation discovered yesterday linking her as aunt to Ezekiel and Benjamin ANTHONY b 1834 and 1840, Powick and Leigh with Bransford respectively, brothers,children of Ezekiel and Sarah (Johnson) Powick, cannot find the connection - have searched and searched. What am I missing? Executor to Susannah's will was James Edwards of Martley (decd) by 1911 when Ezekiel's wife (Catherine) in New York, USA (can't find) searched for trust of shares left to her decd. husband and his brother Benjamin. If anyone can offer any assistance I would be grateful - the best way forward - where to look etc. Really need to find how Susannah is connected to Ezekiel Anthony - all ideas welcomed.

Hi Terry Sorry but they don`t. I sure wish they did though. Cheers Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "TERRY DIPPLE" <[email protected]> To: "'JR'" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] Death cert's in the 1920's > Listers - does anyone know if married women's death cert's gave their maiden > names in 1928? > Thanks - Terry

----- Original Message ----- From: "TERRY DIPPLE" <[email protected]> To: "'JR'" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] Death cert's in the 1920's > Listers - does anyone know if married women's death cert's gave their maiden > names in 1928? > Thanks - Terry > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WORCESTER-[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Polly, My apologies for not acknowledging sooner your confirmation that the marriage took place at Oldbury Holy Trinity - this largely due to a major computer problem. Checking the backlog of mail, I failed to find any other response to my enquiry. Is there no one on the Worcester list who can spare time to check this one entry for me? Stan L. Langley, West Norfolk, U.K. > Principal Interests: JICKLING; LANGLEY; RICHMOND; WAD(DE)LOW. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Polly Rubery" <[email protected]> To: "Stan Langley" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [WOR] WILLOCK/HAYNES marriage 1859 > Hi Stan From the West Midlands BMD indx this marriage took place at > Oldbury Holy > Trinity.> HTH > Polly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Langley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:51 PM > Subject: [WOR] WILLOCK/HAYNES marriage 1859 > > I am newly subscribed to the list - and in need of a little help from a > lister with knowledge of the Oldbury area and easy access to parish > marriage > registers. Thomas Willock and Ann (HAYNES) were married in the Jun qtr of 1859 in > the West Bromwich district and I think it probable in Oldbury as they are > listed there in 1861. > Piece: RG9/2023 Place: Oldbury WOR -Staffordshire Enumeration District: 21 > Civil Parish: Oldbury Ecclesiastical Parish: Langley > Folio: 145 Page: 9 Schedule: 39 Address: Trinity Street > WILLOCK Thomas Head M M 27 Labourer Staffordshire - - > WILLOCK Ann Wife M F 26 Staffordshire - - > WILLOCK Mary Jane Dau U F 1 Worcestershire - Langley > Is there anyone who could check the Oldbury marriage registers on my > behalf and relay the full detail? I am trying to determine the name and > calling of the groom's father who had gone to meet his maker by 1851, and > his mother remarried. The Staffordshire birthplace for Thomas is suspect - > stated to Ireland in both '51 and '71.. > In return I may well be able to assist anyone with research problems in > the King's Lynn area of Norfolk..................... -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 6 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hi Jayne, There are ALBUTTs in the workhouse in 1841 in Bromsgrove. See our website under Resources. These are unchecked records, so you will need to verify the details. Mike [email protected] wrote: > hello > > I have just discovered another strand of my family tree. I have an Ann > ALBUTT of Bromsgrove marrying Joseph Bell at Bromsgrove in 1810. I am therefore > keen to unearth the family of Ann. Is anyone else researching this surname? > > > Jayne Williams > -- Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman BromsgroveBMSGH The Family History Site for North Worcestershire http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/