*Tuesday 8th April at 7.45 p.m.* *_Migration: Internal, Immigration and Emigration _* *By Dr Colin Chapman * In this talk Dr Chapman will discuss three types of migration: _Internal within the UK. _ _Immigration into the UK from Overseas_ and _Emigration from the UK to other countries. __ _ Dr. Chapman will explain some reasons why an ancestor migrated, describe methods and modes of migration used in the past and identify organisations and individuals who organised and sponsored migration. He will illustrate that by studying a variety of records created by migrants & migration, it may be possible to track that elusive ancestor. ******************************************************************************************************** *BMSGH* members wishing to have their name interests listed on our website should send their details to: Mike Yegwart at [email protected] Please supply the following: *Your name and email address, & surname interests for each area, _as well as your membership number._* -- Mike Yegwart Branch Chairman BromsgroveBMSGH The Family History Site for North Worcestershire http://www.bromsgrovebmsgh.co.uk/

I agree Malcolm. I've just sent off a kit to check my mitochondrial DNA and I've also ordered a kit for testing Y-DNA for one of the last direct male descendents of our Izett family. One of the reasons I chose to test for the Y-DNA is that I've heard a variety of stories about the origin of the Izett name. Some claim a middle east origin and some claim that it is a form of Isolda as of Tristan and Isolda. We've traced our branch back to 1800 in Glasgow but would like to know if there is any truth to the middle east origins. This seems the one way to see if it is true. DNA testing will not replace good old genealogical research, and who would want it to, but it may give us more information and clues about our past and where to look next for more clues. My Worcs families are Pye, Crump, and Gowen/Gowan from the Bewdley region. Erin Flory -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mal Platt-Grigg Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:23 PM To: 'Gus Tysoe'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [WOR] Worcs Gene Pool They are actually testing male Y-DNA, which remains virtually unchanged through the male line. I, for one, think this is fascinating technology albeit in it's infancy. As the database grows, it will become a valuable tool in genealogy. I've had my DNA tested and added to the database and hope one day it will help with my research. It may take 5,10 or 20 years but I can wait. Just my 2 cents worth. Malcolm. UK Transcriptions website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~uktranscriptions/ My personal website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~plattgrigg/index.html Researching GRIGG Halesowen, Dudley, Harborne, Birmingham. PLATT Darlaston, Wednesbury, Birmingham. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:eng-worcester- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Gus Tysoe > Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2008 2:10 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WOR] Worcs Gene Pool > > FWIW, as far as I can see all it actually determines (in exchange, of > course, for Money) is that we all have Ancestors who could've come from > anywhere.... > > Just what sort of DNA are they testing anyway? It looks to be mitochondrial, > which relates only to your direct female descent - something that's > less-than-traditional in 'normal' Family History. > > Great if you've actually GOT your (warranted) 7G-gfthr's mummified corpse > under your bed and can have it tested to get "real" Real Ancestral DNA to > compare to yours. But who knows what 5G-gmthr might've got up to? > > Gus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FWIW, as far as I can see all it actually determines (in exchange, of course, for Money) is that we all have Ancestors who could've come from anywhere.... Just what sort of DNA are they testing anyway? It looks to be mitochondrial, which relates only to your direct female descent - something that's less-than-traditional in 'normal' Family History. Great if you've actually GOT your (warranted) 7G-gfthr's mummified corpse under your bed and can have it tested to get "real" Real Ancestral DNA to compare to yours. But who knows what 5G-gmthr might've got up to? Gus

Searching for someone connected to any of these individuals. Seeking a birth for Ann Martin about 1750 Or any data on fourth generation except names. In some cases I can't be 100% sure I have selected the right parents so if you know different let me know. Any help appreciated. JVance John ATTWOOD , son of William ATTWOOD and Ann MARTIN , was born in Overbury, Worcestershire, England, was christened on 20 Mar 1774 and was buried on 26 May 1857 in Ashchurch, Gloucester, England. Another name was John WOOD. John married Priscilla NEWMAN on 22 Apr 1802 in Ashchurch, Gloucester, England Children from this marriage were: William ATTWOOD was christened on 17 Oct 1802 in Ashchurch, Gloucester Hannah ATTWOOD was born on 10 Feb 1805 and was christened on 26 Feb 1805 in Ashchurch, Gloucester, Gloucester John Newman ATTWOOD was christened on 17 May 1807 in Ashchurch, Gloucester, Gloucester Richard ATTWOOD was born on 6 May 1810 and was christened on 11 Sep 1810 in Ashchurch, Gloucester, Gloucester Joseph ATTWOOD was christened on 27 Oct 1812 in Ashchurch, Gloucester, Gloucester Sarah ATTWOOD was christened on 1 Nov 1812 in Ashchurch, Gloucester, Gloucester Thomas ATTWOOD was born in Abode Newton, was christened on 9 Apr 1815 in Ashchurch, Gloucester, , and was buried on 14 Jul 1818 in Ashchurch, Gloucester .James ATTWOOD was born on 31 May 1818 in Ashchurch, Gloucester, Gloucester was christened on 31 May 1818 in Ashchurch, Gloucester, died on 14 Jan 1887 in Minto, Wellington, Ontario, Canada aged 68, and was buried in Minto, Wellington, Ontario, Canada. James married Jane Ann MESSENGER on 26 Nov 1840 in Minety, Wiltshire, Wiltshire, England, daughter of John MESSENGER and Ann Caroline ATTWOOD was born in Newton and was christened on 2 Sep 1821 in Ashchurch, Gloucester Anne ATTWOOD was born in Newton and was christened on 5 Dec 1824 in Ashchurch, Gloucester Priscilla NEWMAN daughter of Thomas NEWMAN and Ann WELCH , was christened on 14 Oct 1781 in Ashchurch, Gloucester, England and was buried on 10 Apr 1862 in Ashchurch, Gloucester, England. Third Generation (Grandparents) William ATTWOOD son of William ATTWOOD and Sarah, was christened on 3 Nov 1751 in Overbury, Worcestershire, England. William married Ann MARTIN on 1 Feb 1773 in Overbury, Worcestershire Children from this marriage were: 2 John ATTWOOD (see above) Botty ATTWOOD was christened on 9 Feb 1777 in Overbury, Worcestershire Another name was Botty WOOD. Mary ATTWOOD was christened on 18 Oct 1778 in Overbury, Worcestershire Ann MARTIN was born Cal 1754 of Ashchurch, Gloucestershire, England. (May not be the right Ann Martin) Ann married William ATTWOODon 1 Feb 1773 in Overbury, Worcestershire

Hi, For anyone who has, or is thinking of, getting their DNA tested there is a project which may interest them. It is called the British Isles DNA Project and its main aims are "to assemble a detailed haplogroup map of the British Isles by county, corresponding to the DNA profile of the region's early history and settlement." I interpret this as trying to establish whether the "gene pools" of counties can be identified. Worcs surnames listed are:- BADSON BLOUNT GADD HARRIS MASON The project's address is http://www.britishislesdna.com/index.htm I hope this is of interest and that some of you consider adding your results to this study so that we can get a better picture of the county's genes. :-) _________________________________________________________________ Win 100’s of Virgin Experience days with BigSnapSearch.com http://www.bigsnapsearch.com

April 2008 Meeting A talk on "DNA in Family History" is to be given by Richard Phillips at the April meeting of the Worcester Branch of the Birmingham & Midland Society for Genealogy and Heraldry. Richard will give a personal view of taking part in an international DNA study. He will describe how DNA techniques can be used to corroborate or expand family trees. The science is still young but very interesting results are already being achieved. Our bookstall will as usual be in the capable hands of our librarian, Peter Taylor. The meeting, at the Baptist Church Hall in Sansome Walk, Worcester, will be on Friday, 11th April, starting at 7.30pm. Visitors are welcome to attend. Further details may be found at www.worcesterbmsgh.co.uk. Arthur Lewis

Listers - I feel the jury's still out on DNA. I can go back to the mid 1700's with my father's and mother's side. But they are only two of many ggg grandfather and grandmother's, I haven't yet traced. So did the ones, I haven't traced yet, live in the same county, or even country. At present, I live in the USA, and some of the TV programs have tested out several of the companies who are in this "business". Everyone seems to be related to at least one President, and/or a film star. Many "African Americans" are being pitched to, as a means of finding their African heritage. But the one study had two different companies trace a lady's DNA. One company traced her ancestors to W. Africa, while the other had her ancestors coming from S.E Africa. Apparently, these companies only have a fraction of a % of the gene pool to work from. I wonder if any like this has happened in the UK, with W. Indian imigrants? Regards - Terry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mr Happy Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:43 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [WOR] Worcs Gene Pool Hi, For anyone who has, or is thinking of, getting their DNA tested there is a project which may interest them. It is called the British Isles DNA Project and its main aims are "to assemble a detailed haplogroup map of the British Isles by county, corresponding to the DNA profile of the region's early history and settlement." I interpret this as trying to establish whether the "gene pools" of counties can be identified. Worcs surnames listed are:- BADSON BLOUNT GADD HARRIS MASON The project's address is http://www.britishislesdna.com/index.htm I hope this is of interest and that some of you consider adding your results to this study so that we can get a better picture of the county's genes. :-) _________________________________________________________________ Win 100's of Virgin Experience days with BigSnapSearch.com http://www.bigsnapsearch.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello the list. I wonder if SKS has access to the Worcestershire pre 1837 marriages, could see if a WILLIAM RICHARDSON (widower) is listed as marrying between 1812 and 1837! Thank you John Richardson Eaton Socon Cambridgeshire

Hi, A Surname DNA project has just been launched which covers the surnames of GREENHILL, GREENALL, GREENHALGH, and all other spelling variations. Its address is:- http://www.familytreedna.com/public/GreenhalghGreenhill/ Please note that for a limited time there will be an initial discount on test costs. If you are a GREENHILL, GREENALL, GREENHALGH, etc., I hope you will consider joining. If not, but you know someone who is, please can you let them know about this project. Thanks :-) _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Windows Live is here http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live

New to the list and interested at present in the birth of Elizabeth Dixon c.1830/1 in Dudley. Very much want to track down her parentage if anyone can help. She later married Benjamin Bullus who was christened 23 Jan 1831 in Wesleyan, Stourbridge. Any info. on either of these families much appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the next generation of Windows Live http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live

Hi all I am new to your list and am trying to find out about an early family in my line. His name is Robert Luddington and I am sure he was born in Tenbury Wells, in 1663, as far as I can make out son of Samuel Luddington. Robert got a B A from oxford. He was married in All Saints, Worcester in 1696, and went on to become vicar in chelmarsh, Shropshire in 1700. I have his family baptised there, except I think his first son Robert. I am hoping that someone might have a little bit of information on them in there study's? Thank you for your time. Regards Paul Luddington -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1216 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Just to mention incase its of interest - I've added 7 further transcripts of Berrows, all from 1757, leaving me (I think) 1 more from 1757 to do and found another from 1756 (which has just turned up) before starting on additional copies from the 1760's or 1770's To locate the Page(s) of interest Use Freefind at : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dutillieul/ZOtherPapers/Index.html And once on the Page(s) use Ctrl F to locate the name(s) you are looking for Best Regards Richard Heaton

Julie John Pincin is listed in Kelly's 1924 ( published by Archive CD Books ) as JOHN PINCHIN of WYRE PIDDLE, DAIRYMAN. Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julie Burroughs Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [WOR] 1920 & 1924 Kellys look ups Hi Listers I wonder if sks with access to Kelly's 1920 and 1924 Worcestershire directories would mind looking up the following for me (as far as I know, neither of these directories are on the historial directories website): JOHN PINCHIN of WYRE PIDDLE, DAIRYMAN. He appears in Kellys 1928 and 1940 under the trade of dairymen and I'm trying to find out how long he was a dairyman for. Many thanks! Julie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Helen Many thanks for your help. Does anyone out there have access to the 1920 Kellys directory? Julie ____________________________________________________________ Julie John Pincin is listed in Kelly's 1924 ( published by Archive CD Books ) as JOHN PINCHIN of WYRE PIDDLE, DAIRYMAN. Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julie Burroughs Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [WOR] 1920 & 1924 Kellys look ups Hi Listers I wonder if sks with access to Kelly's 1920 and 1924 Worcestershire directories would mind looking up the following for me (as far as I know, neither of these directories are on the historial directories website): JOHN PINCHIN of WYRE PIDDLE, DAIRYMAN. He appears in Kellys 1928 and 1940 under the trade of dairymen and I'm trying to find out how long he was a dairyman for. Many thanks! Julie

Hi, There is an ALICE JAUNCEY married in Sept. quarter 1902 to either Walter Philip JOYNER or James MOUNTNEY at Gloucester. Any help? Rob. of Portsmouth

Hi Listers I wonder if sks with access to Kelly's 1920 and 1924 Worcestershire directories would mind looking up the following for me (as far as I know, neither of these directories are on the historial directories website): JOHN PINCHIN of WYRE PIDDLE, DAIRYMAN. He appears in Kellys 1928 and 1940 under the trade of dairymen and I'm trying to find out how long he was a dairyman for. Many thanks! Julie

Thanks Kay. Yes I have looked at marriages and can find nothing definite that fits in the 1891 or the 1901 census. I have even looked at Ellis Island and Castle Garden! There is little mention of her in the family. Her parents brought up her son who was born in Dorset in 1868. Only one family document mentions her and that as Bessie and I have looked at that name too. That document is a little confused. Also of course I have looked at other derivations of Elizabeth and her second name Mary. Should not have thought she would use her third name of Cox as her first name, but tried it! There is considerable interest in the family as to what happened to this elusive ancestor and having tracked her from birth to 1881 I would love to know what happened to her. Very best wishes to all Mary On 29/03/2008, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: ENG-WORCESTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 74 (Katherine Andrews) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:01:27 -0400 > From: "Katherine Andrews" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WOR] ENG-WORCESTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 74 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > You have looked for a death record but have you looked for a marriage for > Elizabeth? very possibly she remarried. > > Kay > > > <<It would seem James died in 1888, however I cannot find Elizabeth under > Hardy or Maund in the 1891 nor the 1901 census. Nor can I find a death for > her in this time frame. Is there anyone on the list who may be researching > the Maund family in Worcestershire who may know of Elizabeth please. She > seems to have disappeared off the radar!!! > > Best wishes to all > > Mary in West Oz>> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-WORCESTER list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the ENG-WORCESTER mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-WORCESTER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 76 > ******************************************** >

Dear All Any help gratefully received in my quest to find either the marriage or death record of ALICE JAUNCEY. She was born as one of triplets to George and Ann Jauncey at Leigh, Worcestershire in 1862. In 1889 Ann gave birth to an illegitimate daughter, Ann Matilda Jauncey. My last record of Alice is the 1891 census, where she was living with her sister Sophia Catherine Winters in Munsley, Herefordshire. I can find no trace of Alice Jauncey in the 1901 census, although her daughter was by this time living with her grandmother back in Leigh. >From this, I am assuming that Alice either died or got married between 1891 and 1901, but I can find no trace of either. Any suggestions? Thanks. Greg

Good morning all. My first direct enquiry although I've looked and listened with interest over the years. My research has taken in the Forest of Dean, most of south Wales and into the west country mainly Somerset, together with a little bit of Australia. Background. I've been very lucky to trace some lines as far back as the late 1500s. Right now I'm stuck at gt grandfather x 3 William BRIGHT who according to a Carmarthenshire census was born in 1790 but we know not where at the moment. All I have is that John Bright, my gt x 2 grandfather, was born in the Forest of Dean at Westbury and was the first born to William and Sarah BRIGHT in 1812/13. The whole family moved into south Wales and William and Sarah eventually settled and died in Carmarthenshire - William in Carmarthen and Sarah in Kidwelly with quite a few Bright's around her. There are a few clues which suggest that there might well be a connection with the Hartlebury and Ombersley/Kidderminster/Droitwich areas of Worcestershire. Clue 1 is that John and Miriam Bright moved away from Glamorganshire in the mid 1840s probably driven away by the loss of their first two children to Cholera or something similar. They went to Hartlebury where Sarah my gt grandmother was born in 1850. The family eventually settled in Kidwelly. Clue 2 is that Sarah Luisa Bright married Benjamin Southall in 1871 in Kidwelly and after some wanderings in the Black country and north Warwickshire, eventually settled back in Worcester in Bridge Street, Stourport as confectioners. Clue 3 is that Mary Louis Southall, my grandmother, following teacher training in Warwickshire, returned to marry in the same area at Upper Mitton Baptist Chapel in 1906. Something seems to have drawn all of them back to the Droitwich area of Worcestershire and I wonder if this is where William Bright and his family had their roots.. The other clue I have comes from family search.org where they have on record a William Bright, christened 25 December 1790, Kiddermister, Worcester to parents - another William Bright and Sarah. He would fit the bill nicely if we could make the connection. If anyone is able to help me expand on that last clue, or can offer any other suggestions, I would be very grateful. Happy hunting. David Morris Ret'd Surrey.

I wonder if some kind person could tell me where I might obtain a map of the graveyard at St. Laurence's church. Alvechurch. I have over twenty members of my family buried there. Thanks. Pam. Adelaide. South Australia. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2253 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len