Hello Dot Thank you for your interest and taking the time to reply. When John was transported his age was given as 24 so he would have been born c1800. In 1814 when he was sentenced to 12 months for larceny no age was given. I've found the baptism of a John in Shaftesbury, Dorset the illegitimate son of Elizabeth baptised December 2nd 1799 and this could possibly be him but then again possibly not. My re found pen pal has details from his arrival and I am waiting for him to let me have the names of the children to see if the tie in with any that could parents over here. If one has a middle name of Goddard we would be laughing but we'll have to wait and see. Again many thanks for your help Regards Michael gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk wrote: > Hello Michael > > There was a John Bugden baptised in St Edmunds Church, Salisbury on 26th > December 1793, son of Goddard Bugden and his wife Mary (IGI Batch number > C153491) > > Might this be the John you are looking for (New Sarum was the name much used > in those days for Salisbury). You didn't give his approximate date of birth > - maybe you don't know it - so I'm just guessing. > > Bugden is a well known name in south Wiltshire. There were also Bugden > families in the Donhead St Mary area of south Wilts living alongside my Gurd > family > > There was a John Bugden baptised on 8th October 1786 at Donhead St Mary, son > of Elijah and Elizabeth. I noticed a sibling baptised a few years earlier > and there might be others. > > 'Your' John might be either of these - or neither of them! > > If you'd like to contact me off- List I'll se what I can do to help > > Best wishes, Dot > in Salisbury, Wilts > > > >> I've recently made contact with a pen pal I had 45 years ago and he has >> just emailed telling me that his Gt. Gt. Grandfather was a convict. >> >> This is what he wrote; >> >> My great, great grandfather was a convict >> transported as a young man in the early 1800's on board the HMS >> Guilford. We >> believe he was convicted of theft in Liverpool Court of Petty Sessions. >> After arrival in Australia he was assigned to Sydney and later to the >> Hunter >> Valley (about 85 miles North West of Sydney). He was granted a "ticket of >> leave" (i.e. parole) after about 6 years but it was cancelled shortly after >> because he was outside his assigned area. He was then granted another >> ticket >> of leave and shortly after married a British officer's daughter. The >> marriage was written up in the Sydney Morning Herald at the time. He >> eventually moved to the Far North Coast of New South Wales with the first >> wave of early settlers to that area. I am a direct descendant of his family >> which continued to live in the Richmond River area for some 160 years >> (which >> is a long long time in this country). It is fashionable in Australia to be >> the descendent of a convict - it shows you are a "dinky dye Australian". >> >> John BUGDEN was transported and arrived March 5th 1824 on board The >> Guildford that had sailed from Portsmouth. >> >> Checking the criminal registers I find that John Bugden's life of crime >> started in 1814 when he was sentenced at January sessions of the City of >> New Sarum to 12 months for larceny. >> >> Can anybody help with further background on the Bugden family? >> It would be nice to find some living relatives. >> >> Any help would be really appreciated. >> >> Michael >> > > > ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Ordering BMD Certificates: see > http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certificates.asp > http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certe_w/fees.asp > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Hello Michael I went to the Local Studies Library this afternoon and went through the microfilms of the 1814 Salisbury Journal newspaper. Unfortunately I couldn't find John even though there were reports of other court lists. Of course a few of the pages were so pale parts were unreadable, so I bet he was on one of them!! Every edition of the paper was taken up with the latest news of the battles against Napoleon so I suppose lesser news did get squeezed out. If you do think of anything I can do here in Salisbury, let me know. Put a heading on the message I'll notice - something like FOR DOT then I won't accidentally chuck it in the bin!! Best wishes, Dot > Thank you for your interest and taking the time to reply. > > When John was transported his age was given as 24 so he would have been > born c1800. > > In 1814 when he was sentenced to 12 months for larceny no age was given. > > I've found the baptism of a John in Shaftesbury, Dorset the illegitimate > son of Elizabeth baptised December 2nd 1799 and this could possibly be > him but then again possibly not. > > My re found pen pal has details from his arrival and I am waiting for > him to let me have the names of the children to see if the tie in with > any that could parents over here. If one has a middle name of Goddard we > would be laughing but we'll have to wait and see. > > Again many thanks for your help > > Regards > > Michael > > > > gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk wrote: >> Hello Michael >> >> There was a John Bugden baptised in St Edmunds Church, Salisbury on 26th >> December 1793, son of Goddard Bugden and his wife Mary (IGI Batch number >> C153491) >> >> Might this be the John you are looking for (New Sarum was the name much used >> in those days for Salisbury). You didn't give his approximate date of birth >> - maybe you don't know it - so I'm just guessing. >> >> Bugden is a well known name in south Wiltshire. There were also Bugden >> families in the Donhead St Mary area of south Wilts living alongside my Gurd >> family >> >> There was a John Bugden baptised on 8th October 1786 at Donhead St Mary, son >> of Elijah and Elizabeth. I noticed a sibling baptised a few years earlier >> and there might be others. >> >> 'Your' John might be either of these - or neither of them! >> >> If you'd like to contact me off- List I'll se what I can do to help >> >> Best wishes, Dot >> in Salisbury, Wilts >> >> >> >>> I've recently made contact with a pen pal I had 45 years ago and he has >>> just emailed telling me that his Gt. Gt. Grandfather was a convict. >>> >>> This is what he wrote; >>> >>> My great, great grandfather was a convict >>> transported as a young man in the early 1800's on board the HMS >>> Guilford. We >>> believe he was convicted of theft in Liverpool Court of Petty Sessions. >>> After arrival in Australia he was assigned to Sydney and later to the >>> Hunter >>> Valley (about 85 miles North West of Sydney). He was granted a "ticket of >>> leave" (i.e. parole) after about 6 years but it was cancelled shortly after >>> because he was outside his assigned area. He was then granted another >>> ticket >>> of leave and shortly after married a British officer's daughter. The >>> marriage was written up in the Sydney Morning Herald at the time. He >>> eventually moved to the Far North Coast of New South Wales with the first >>> wave of early settlers to that area. I am a direct descendant of his family >>> which continued to live in the Richmond River area for some 160 years >>> (which >>> is a long long time in this country). It is fashionable in Australia to be >>> the descendent of a convict - it shows you are a "dinky dye Australian". >>> >>> John BUGDEN was transported and arrived March 5th 1824 on board The >>> Guildford that had sailed from Portsmouth. >>> >>> Checking the criminal registers I find that John Bugden's life of crime >>> started in 1814 when he was sentenced at January sessions of the City of >>> New Sarum to 12 months for larceny. >>> >>> Can anybody help with further background on the Bugden family? >>> It would be nice to find some living relatives. >>> >>> Any help would be really appreciated. >>> >>> Michael >>> >> >> >> ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Ordering BMD Certificates: see >> http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certificates.asp >> http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certe_w/fees.asp >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> > > > ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Except for personal messages, please post replies to the list. Other people > can learn from them! > Remember to check that you have completed the subject line and that it is > relevent to your query. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hello Dot Thank you for checking the newspaper for me. I emailed the Wilts record office and they couldn't find anything either. The reference is a NA one so perhaps the details are at Kew and not local. They did come up with another John aged 34, who was tried at the Warminster Sessions on 15 July 1817 and sentenced to 12 months’ hard labour at Devizes Prison, for the theft of one hempen sack and 1½ bushels of wheat, the property of John White at West Harnham so perhaps the 1814 John was this John and not the one I'm looking for. I've found that John married Elizabeth Lockyear in 1821 and in 1826 she applied for Poor Relief Residence & Age: Bugden Elizabeth, St. Martin, 24; Place of Birth: Coombe; Name of Wife or Husband & Children: John (transported for 14 years)* - ref. G23/1/139/95 - date: *1826 I asked the record office for a copy but they tell me that it is not possible to copy. John married out in Australia so he was a bigamist but did he have any children by Elizabeth. Any suggestions of where to look would be appreciated. Many thanks again Michael gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk wrote: > Hello Michael > > I went to the Local Studies Library this afternoon and went through the > microfilms of the 1814 Salisbury Journal newspaper. > > Unfortunately I couldn't find John even though there were reports of other > court lists. Of course a few of the pages were so pale parts were > unreadable, so I bet he was on one of them!! > > Every edition of the paper was taken up with the latest news of the battles > against Napoleon so I suppose lesser news did get squeezed out. > > If you do think of anything I can do here in Salisbury, let me know. Put a > heading on the message I'll notice - something like FOR DOT then I won't > accidentally chuck it in the bin!! > > Best wishes, Dot > > > >> Thank you for your interest and taking the time to reply. >> >> When John was transported his age was given as 24 so he would have been >> born c1800. >> >> In 1814 when he was sentenced to 12 months for larceny no age was given. >> >> I've found the baptism of a John in Shaftesbury, Dorset the illegitimate >> son of Elizabeth baptised December 2nd 1799 and this could possibly be >> him but then again possibly not. >> >> My re found pen pal has details from his arrival and I am waiting for >> him to let me have the names of the children to see if the tie in with >> any that could parents over here. If one has a middle name of Goddard we >> would be laughing but we'll have to wait and see. >> >> Again many thanks for your help >> >> Regards >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk wrote: >> >>> Hello Michael >>> >>> There was a John Bugden baptised in St Edmunds Church, Salisbury on 26th >>> December 1793, son of Goddard Bugden and his wife Mary (IGI Batch number >>> C153491) >>> >>> Might this be the John you are looking for (New Sarum was the name much used >>> in those days for Salisbury). You didn't give his approximate date of birth >>> - maybe you don't know it - so I'm just guessing. >>> >>> Bugden is a well known name in south Wiltshire. There were also Bugden >>> families in the Donhead St Mary area of south Wilts living alongside my Gurd >>> family >>> >>> There was a John Bugden baptised on 8th October 1786 at Donhead St Mary, son >>> of Elijah and Elizabeth. I noticed a sibling baptised a few years earlier >>> and there might be others. >>> >>> 'Your' John might be either of these - or neither of them! >>> >>> If you'd like to contact me off- List I'll se what I can do to help >>> >>> Best wishes, Dot >>> in Salisbury, Wilts >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> I've recently made contact with a pen pal I had 45 years ago and he has >>>> just emailed telling me that his Gt. Gt. Grandfather was a convict. >>>> >>>> This is what he wrote; >>>> >>>> My great, great grandfather was a convict >>>> transported as a young man in the early 1800's on board the HMS >>>> Guilford. We >>>> believe he was convicted of theft in Liverpool Court of Petty Sessions. >>>> After arrival in Australia he was assigned to Sydney and later to the >>>> Hunter >>>> Valley (about 85 miles North West of Sydney). He was granted a "ticket of >>>> leave" (i.e. parole) after about 6 years but it was cancelled shortly after >>>> because he was outside his assigned area. He was then granted another >>>> ticket >>>> of leave and shortly after married a British officer's daughter. The >>>> marriage was written up in the Sydney Morning Herald at the time. He >>>> eventually moved to the Far North Coast of New South Wales with the first >>>> wave of early settlers to that area. I am a direct descendant of his family >>>> which continued to live in the Richmond River area for some 160 years >>>> (which >>>> is a long long time in this country). It is fashionable in Australia to be >>>> the descendent of a convict - it shows you are a "dinky dye Australian". >>>> >>>> John BUGDEN was transported and arrived March 5th 1824 on board The >>>> Guildford that had sailed from Portsmouth. >>>> >>>> Checking the criminal registers I find that John Bugden's life of crime >>>> started in 1814 when he was sentenced at January sessions of the City of >>>> New Sarum to 12 months for larceny. >>>> >>>> Can anybody help with further background on the Bugden family? >>>> It would be nice to find some living relatives. >>>> >>>> Any help would be really appreciated. >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> >>>> >>> ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Ordering BMD Certificates: see >>> http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certificates.asp >>> http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certe_w/fees.asp >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>> last 12 months. 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