Hello Valerie Thank you very much for the info off the 1851 census. I aready had a Jacob married to a Sarah with a daughter Rachel but that is all I knew,nothing more. I think Jacob must be a brother to my William as he appears to be born within a year or two of William. Also William had a child in 1846 and called him Jacob,brother to my gt grandmother. This now gives me much more info, Once again thank you for taking the time to look this up for me. BFN JEnny Mische