Thanks Charani & Jeff for your replies about the Bishops Transcripts & Parish Registers. The birth I refer to was not in the PRs but does appear in the BTs. I have seen the entry on microfilm at the LDS Family Centre but was hoping I'd be lucky enought to see the original document from 1787 when we visit Wiltshire in a couple of weeks. I will try the Country Archives and might be lucky. thanksd again. Valerie --- eng-wiltshire-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Thomas Palmer born 1817 (David Roberts) > 2. Re: Thomas Palmer born 1817 ( Nina) > 3. Re: Thomas Palmer born 1817 (David Roberts) > 4. John Palmer (David Roberts) > 5. Re: John Palmer (Charani) > 6. Re: John Palmer (David Roberts) > 7. BISHOPS TRANSCRIPTS (thornskv@bigpond.net.au) > 8. Re: BISHOPS TRANSCRIPTS (J GOULD) > 9. Re Joan & David HATT (Barbara Mallyon) > 10. Re: BISHOPS TRANSCRIPTS (Charani) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:24:13 +0100 > From: David Roberts <david@roberts-productions.com> > Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Thomas Palmer born 1817 > To: ENG-WILTSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <AANLkTi=DcPY+2JWmtHTDUWWS9T2iLZuH-6f1VHJ6dKVC@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello > My g-g grandfather Thomas Palmer was born in 1817. > His parents John Palmer & Ann Bodman married at Langley Burrel in 1813. > Eliza was born 1813 > Thirza born 1816 > Thomas 1817 > Harriet 1821 (at Lacock) > > All censuses show Thomas simply born in Wiltshire. No parish is named. > > I have search many (though not all parishes. Can any one help? > > I would be very grateful for any information. > > Thanks > > David Roberts > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:00:54 +0100 > From: " Nina" <ninagraham62@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Thomas Palmer born 1817 > To: <eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <FD1E91E835C3491BA794AD0A7F7EF886@SECOND> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > David there is a Thomas Palmer, butcher, living in London in 1891 born > c.1818 Chippenham Wilts. Wife Ann children Thomas,Harry,Alfred is he > definitively not yours ? > Nina Graham > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:41:09 +0100 > From: David Roberts <david@roberts-productions.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Thomas Palmer born 1817 > To: eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <AANLkTikuU9U2NNCCdQyVKFXGe_M1_StTXW3ndfvnAbbL@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Thanks Nina! > Yes, I have that. Someone has just emailed me to say that Thomas was > christened in Hilmarton in July 1819. > > So now I want to look for the marriage of Eliza b 1814 in Langley Burrel and > Thirza b 1816 at Langley Burrel. I found Harriet many years ago. > > It would be great if you could find anything on them. > > Thanks for responding. > > David Roberts > > On 15 October 2010 14:00, Nina <ninagraham62@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > David there is a Thomas Palmer, butcher, living in London in 1891 born > > c.1818 Chippenham Wilts. Wife Ann children Thomas,Harry,Alfred is he > > definitively not yours ? > > Nina Graham > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:07:38 +0100 > From: David Roberts <david@roberts-productions.com> > Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] John Palmer > To: ENG-WILTSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <AANLkTin8z09wZEWTnV7iYq9212uA=hL-9ATxyDvgAkXn@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello > Can anyone help in tracing the death of John Palmer? > > He married Ann Bodman of Calne in 1813 at Langley Burrel. > > Family legend has it that John died and Ann married again. Thomas was very > unhappy with his step father, left home and walked to London. I found him > in 1845 in Kingsgate Street. > > I know that John Palmer was alive in 1839 because he is recorded as being a > yeoman on the Tithe Map for Lacock. > So his death must be in the short period 1839 - 1845. I have been unable to > find a matching death on the general registry after 1837. > > Any help with this long-standing search would be most welcome. > > David Roberts > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:46:45 +0100 > From: Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] John Palmer > To: eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4CB87765.3050604@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > David Roberts wrote: > > > Can anyone help in tracing the death of John Palmer? > > > > He married Ann Bodman of Calne in 1813 at Langley Burrel. > > > > Family legend has it that John died and Ann married again. Thomas was very > > unhappy with his step father, left home and walked to London. I found him > > in 1845 in Kingsgate Street. > > > > I know that John Palmer was alive in 1839 because he is recorded as being a > > yeoman on the Tithe Map for Lacock. > > So his death must be in the short period 1839 - 1845. I have been unable to > > find a matching death on the general registry after 1837. > > Two things to bear in mind: > > (1) Family legends are often just that with no substance in truth, so > John may not have died between 1839 and 1845. He could have died away > from home. If he did, then the registration of death would have taken > place where he died, not where he normally lived. Burial could well > have taken place there as well as it could have been quite expensive > to have taken his body home. Either or both may have taken a poor > (wo)man's divorce. Have you searched FreeREG for any possibles or > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home ? > > (2) Not all the deaths are in the GRO Indices. Have you tried the > relevant or neighbouring Register Offices? > > I have PALMERs in Sussex and London so I appreciate it isn't the > easiest of names, especially given the popularity of John as a given name. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:01:27 +0100 > From: David Roberts <david@roberts-productions.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] John Palmer > To: eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <AANLkTi=n2qW-zzzvxBYs8hGnU+o2c6tvwHV-_-cShbUe@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Charani > Thank you very much for the comments. I have yet to try neighbouring > registry ofices. I agree that family legends can be unreliable, but I have > to say that all mine so far have been borne out! > I hope this one is as well. > > Thanks again. > > David Roberts > > On 15 October 2010 16:46, Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> wrote: > > > David Roberts wrote: > > > > > Can anyone help in tracing the death of John Palmer? > > > > > > He married Ann Bodman of Calne in 1813 at Langley Burrel. > > > > > > Family legend has it that John died and Ann married again. Thomas was > > very > > > unhappy with his step father, left home and walked to London. I found > > him > > > in 1845 in Kingsgate Street. > > > > > > I know that John Palmer was alive in 1839 because he is recorded as being > > a > > > yeoman on the Tithe Map for Lacock. > > > So his death must be in the short period 1839 - 1845. I have been unable > > to > > > find a matching death on the general registry after 1837. > > > > Two things to bear in mind: > > > > (1) Family legends are often just that with no substance in truth, so > > John may not have died between 1839 and 1845. He could have died away > > from home. If he did, then the registration of death would have taken > > place where he died, not where he normally lived. Burial could well > > have taken place there as well as it could have been quite expensive > > to have taken his body home. Either or both may have taken a poor > > (wo)man's divorce. Have you searched FreeREG for any possibles or > > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home ? > > > > (2) Not all the deaths are in the GRO Indices. Have you tried the > > relevant or neighbouring Register Offices? > > > > I have PALMERs in Sussex and London so I appreciate it isn't the > > easiest of names, especially given the popularity of John as a given name. > > > > -- > > Charani (UK) > > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 00:04:13 +1000 > From: <thornskv@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] BISHOPS TRANSCRIPTS > To: ENG-WILTSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20101015140413.12KHO.2801.root@nschwwebs02p> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Is there anywhere one can view the original Bishops Transcripts in Wiltshire? One I am interested in is 1787 All Cannings. Thank you - Valerie > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 22:17:17 +0100 (BST) > From: J GOULD <gould93@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] BISHOPS TRANSCRIPTS > To: eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <767562.28777.qm@web87007.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Valerie, The BTs are in the County Records Office.? However, in my experience > they are usually more incomplete than the parish records > they were intended to copy.? When a change of priest occurred, the parish > records were often unrecorded for a while. But the Bishops > > Transcripts might be omitted altogether until the next visitation.? Jeff > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "thornskv@bigpond.net.au" thornskv@bigpond.net.au than > To: ENG-WILTSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, 15 October, 2010 15:04:13 > Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] BISHOPS TRANSCRIPTS > > Is there anywhere one can view the original Bishops Transcripts in Wiltshire? > One I am interested in is 1787 All Cannings.? Thank you - Valerie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 23:16:05 +0100 > From: "Barbara Mallyon" <BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk> > Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Re Joan & David HATT > To: <ENG-WILTSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <CD09A056527C4252AA2A3AF96F80C4AF@BarbaraPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Everyone, > > I am trying to contact Joan and David HATT who were on this list, I > have an old email address and my message was returned, is anyone in > contact with them. > > Kind regards > > Barbara Lewis Mallyon > Basingstoke, Hants. UK > BarbaraMallyon@lewmal.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 23:54:13 +0100 > From: Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] BISHOPS TRANSCRIPTS > To: eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4CB8DB95.1000603@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > J GOULD wrote: > > Valerie, The BTs are in the County Records Office. However, in my > > experience they are usually more incomplete than the parish records > > they were intended to copy. When a change of priest occurred, the > > parish records were often unrecorded for a while. But the Bishops > > Transcripts might be omitted altogether until the next visitation. > > I agree the extant BTs are patchy but often because they weren't well > cared for or possibly because they weren't actually kept by the Bishop > (or his clerk) at all once they'd been delivered. They may not have > even been looked at. The BTs and PRs do differ in conent too. > > Beyond that, my experience is very different from yours. I've not > noticed any obvious lack of recording of CMBs when there's been a > change of incumbent. For Walton at least, the compilation of the BTs > is recorded, sometimes obliquely but recorded. It's clear the copy > was made before the visitation but not simultaneously with the making > up of the registers - which, as we both know, wasn't done at the time > of the events. Of course, the marriage entries had to be done at the > time after the bride and groom and witnesses had to sign the regiser. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-WILTSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > ENG-WILTSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-WILTSHIRE mailing list, send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-WILTSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 147 > *********************************************