On Dec 2, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: > The book is illustrated with six line drawings and one photograph, taken > from the air. There are four maps. The first map is of the Wiltshire > Hundreds. The second map is of The Borough Lands, 1781 and this one has > field names. The third map shows Burgess Houses, Commencement of > Nineteenth Century. The fourth map is of Borough of Chippenham showing > Boro' Boundaries. I'd love to see those maps and plates. -- Paul Beard contact info: www.paulbeard.org/paulbeard.vcf Are you trying to win an argument or solve a problem?

HI ELIZABETH,    WHERE did your ancestors go, who left Wiltshire in the 1840s?? Did they happen to go Australia or Newfoundland, where my distant cousins' ancestors went??    Seems weird that my branch left probably about 3 or 4 GENERATIONS EARLIER than theirs did!     Yes, could have been for 'free land' ... can you imagine hearing there is Free Land way far away, and just hopping on a boat and going there hoping to get some??? They sure were adventuresome!!!       Wish they'd left journals for us to better know them!!       Thanks for writing!           T I N A  KEENE PEDDIE/CALIF.************************************************** --- On Thu, 12/2/10, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Immigration Push to U.S.A.?? To: eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 3:37 PM Hi Tina, I don't know why but I suspect the old reliable "free Land" was the reason for  the leaving of England. It is hard to figure what else they were up to, were they younger sons going to Virginia to make their way. Or religious refugees? In the 1840's when most of my ancestors left Wiltshire it was farm problems, high cost of corn and probably just plain too many people for the jobs and resources. My other ancestors came during the Great Migration that ended with the English Civil War. I have a bunch of Scots who were transported to Virginia in 1716, and we all know what they were up to <G> Eliz On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:12 PM, TINA PEDDIE <desabla1@yahoo.com> wrote: > HELLO ALL:  (I posted a few mos. ago about my Wiltshire ancestors, "KEYNES/CAINES/KEENE" who were in Wiltshire apparently prior to 1770 (my branch, which has been "Keen/e" since the 1770s, when we first find them documented in NC, U.S.A.), and "Keynes" (left Wiltshire in 1850 and went to Australia, and "Caines" left in 1850 and went to Newfoundland). KEROS & KISH KEYNES, brothers, were the ancestors of the Keynes & Caines branches. Mine is the KEENE line, and we all descend (proven thru Ydna test results) from a common male ancestor prior to 1770s).   ANYWAY.... I am wondering if anyone knows if/when there might have been a big immigrantion "push" out of Wiltshire to the U.S. - that perhaps my branch would have left in, and ended up in the U.S. sometime around or prior to the 1770s time frame. My GEORGE KEENE is said to have been born in about 1771 in possibly "NC" but no documention on that...so he or his father or grandfather could have been the >  one/s who came from Wiltshire.    And does anyone know where in the U.S. they may have first immigrated INTO after leaving Wiltshire?    Thanks for any info or suggestions....      TINA KEENE PEDDIE/California***************************************************** > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That was a lot of names, but none of mine turned up. I am searching White, Parsons, Hailstone, Perrett. What did it take to be able to vote in those early days? I am sure mine were all pretty poor folk. thanks for the posting, though! I am sure it must have helped lots of people! ----- Original Message ----- From: <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: <eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] An Index of the Poll of Freeholders of Wlitshire,1772 This looks interesting with lots of names: An Index of the Poll of the Freeholders of Wiltshire -- Surname Index to the Wiltshire Polls of 1772 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pobjoyoneill/ENGPOLLS/wil1772.html -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just wonder if there is anyone else here who has these surnames (any spelling), from back in 1600/1700s, up to present time in Wiltshire! Please refer to my previous post just sent, for more info, if you do have this surname or any variation!    Thanks! TINA KEENE PEDDIE/CALIF.*****************************************

HELLO ALL:  (I posted a few mos. ago about my Wiltshire ancestors, "KEYNES/CAINES/KEENE" who were in Wiltshire apparently prior to 1770 (my branch, which has been "Keen/e" since the 1770s, when we first find them documented in NC, U.S.A.), and "Keynes" (left Wiltshire in 1850 and went to Australia, and "Caines" left in 1850 and went to Newfoundland). KEROS & KISH KEYNES, brothers, were the ancestors of the Keynes & Caines branches. Mine is the KEENE line, and we all descend (proven thru Ydna test results) from a common male ancestor prior to 1770s).   ANYWAY.... I am wondering if anyone knows if/when there might have been a big immigrantion "push" out of Wiltshire to the U.S. - that perhaps my branch would have left in, and ended up in the U.S. sometime around or prior to the 1770s time frame. My GEORGE KEENE is said to have been born in about 1771 in possibly "NC" but no documention on that...so he or his father or grandfather could have been the one/s who came from Wiltshire.    And does anyone know where in the U.S. they may have first immigrated INTO after leaving Wiltshire?    Thanks for any info or suggestions....      TINA KEENE PEDDIE/California*****************************************************

Well this has answered one of my questions. From the census I was having trouble understanding why an ag lab could suddenly become a Landholder, I found it puzzling and all was answered <<To start with the townsfolk who form the Warden & Freemen: there are four ‘grades’ which in order of seniority, are ‘commoner’, ‘landholder’, ‘assistant burgess’ and ‘capital burgess’. To become a commoner one has to be a married man and a householder, living within the boundaries of Malmesbury as currently defined, and either a son or son-in-law of a commoner. On admission a commoner elects to have his name entered on what can only be described as ‘waiting lists’ of the six ‘hundreds’ – Taylors, Fishers, Glovers, Coxfoot, David’s Loynes & Thornhill. Why these subsidiary organisations are called ‘hundreds’, what their original purpose was and why they have these names has yet to be explained. Between them, the six hundreds now have 31 members, called landholders. Vacancies in the membership of each hundred are filled from the appropriate waiting list, by seniority, so all commoners, provided they live long enough, will eventually become landholders.. >> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:35:52 -0000, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> But mostly I am interested in the Commoners and Burgesses of the town, > > Hi Eliz, > > You may already have done this, but if you haven't you may find it useful. > > If you go to Google Books and put  "Malmesbury""Commoners" in the search > you will find references. > > For example: > > The History of the Town of Malmesbury, and its Ancient Abbey (1805) by > John Marks Moffatt  -- page 127 is a full page view. > > If you put "Malmesbury""Burgesses" in the search you will also find full > page view references. > > For example: > > The Jurist, Volume 11, Part 1  (1848) -- page 22 second column > > Josephine > > -- > Josephine Jeremiah > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Actually I have done the search, just not the way you did and not in the last couple of years, which considering the number of books being put online is a mistake. Thank you for the help. I also found a part of David Forwards site "Malmesburytown.co.uk which I can only get into from googlesearch but they have http://malmesburytown.co.uk/history/mayor-aldermen-burgesses/ Mayor, Aldermen & Burgesses By DLF | Published: August 25, 2010 The History of The Old Corporation of Malmesbury Eliz On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:35:52 -0000, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> But mostly I am interested in the Commoners and Burgesses of the town, > > Hi Eliz, > > You may already have done this, but if you haven't you may find it useful. > > If you go to Google Books and put  "Malmesbury""Commoners" in the search > you will find references. > > For example: > > The History of the Town of Malmesbury, and its Ancient Abbey (1805) by > John Marks Moffatt  -- page 127 is a full page view. > > If you put "Malmesbury""Burgesses" in the search you will also find full > page view references. > > For example: > > The Jurist, Volume 11, Part 1  (1848) -- page 22 second column > > Josephine > > -- > Josephine Jeremiah > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:35:52 -0000, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: > But mostly I am interested in the Commoners and Burgesses of the town, Hi Eliz, You may have already seen A History of the County of Wiltshire: Volume 14: Malmesbury hundred, which is online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=116149#s12 You will find references to commoners and burgesses in the section on Borough Government. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Hello Josephine Thank you, now I must try to get forward from them to the GRAYLEs I have got back to with my gggm. Mike ________________________________ Hi Mike, There's no reference to PIKE, but there are three references to GRAYLE in  A History of Malmesbury (1999) by Jane Freeman and Aelred Watkin with  contributions by H.F. Chettle, Elizabeth Crittall and D.A. Crowley. On page 39, Henry GRAYLE is mentioned in connection with Adam ARCHARD and  Thomas HALL selling the lands of Burton Hill manor to him in 1577. There's  a reference on this page to Henry GRAYLE and his son David buying  Cowbridge Mill and other lands from Nicholas ARCHARD in 1612. On page 95, there's a reference to Henry GRAYLE in 1654 giving a rent  charge of £10 per year from lands in Great Somerford so that poor children  of Malmesbury could be apprenticed. Josephine

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:35:52 -0000, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: > But mostly I am interested in the Commoners and Burgesses of the town, Hi Eliz, You may already have done this, but if you haven't you may find it useful. If you go to Google Books and put "Malmesbury""Commoners" in the search you will find references. For example: The History of the Town of Malmesbury, and its Ancient Abbey (1805) by John Marks Moffatt -- page 127 is a full page view. If you put "Malmesbury""Burgesses" in the search you will also find full page view references. For example: The Jurist, Volume 11, Part 1 (1848) -- page 22 second column Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 18:35:22 -0000, Michael Wells <casofilia@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Could I ask if there are references to PIKE or GRAYLE/GRAYELL in the book > please? On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 20:28:04 -0000, Michael Wells <casofilia@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Thank you, now I must try to get forward from them to the GRAYLEs I have > got back to with my gggm. Hi Mike, Thanks for your response. I hope that you can connect your GRAYLE family with the GRAYLEs, who were in Malmesbury in earlier centuries. There is a reference to a Mr. Grayle, who is said to have been a clothier in Malmesbury, in The History of the Town of Malmesbury, and of its Ancient Abbey (1805) by John Marks Moffatt. The reference is on page 161. If you go to Google Books and put "Malmesbury""Grayle" in the search you will be able to see the full page of this 1805 book with the reference. You will also see other references to Grayle and Malmesbury as a result of the search. For instance, in House of Commons papers, Volume 21, Part 2 (1835) there's a section on GRAYLE'S CHARITY at the bottom of 1334 and at the top of page 1335. You will be able to see the full page views in Google Books. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Hello Josephine Could I ask if there are references to PIKE or GRAYLE/GRAYELL in the book please? Thanks Mike   There's just one reference to LEWIS in the index of A History of  Malmesbury (1999) and that's for Joan LEWIS (nee LANGTON), who was the  sister of John LANGTON. This reference is in connection with John's will  dated 1660.

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:14:30 -0000, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: > This one is proving more elusive to find <G> but how great it is to > hear about these books. Hi Eliz and Listers, I bought my copy of Malmesbury beyond 2000 by David Critchlow with Peter Osgood (1990)in the spring of 2004 along with A History of Malmesbury by Dr. Bernulf Hodge. We had taken my parents out for an afternoon drive and I remember that the daffodils were in bloom and that it was a lovely day for exploring the little Wiltshire towns of Sherston and Malmesbury. I think that I bought the two booklets in Malmesbury Tourist Information Centre in Malmesbury Town Hall. http://www.malmesbury.gov.uk/tic.html Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:35:52 -0000, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: > But mostly I am interested in the Commoners and Burgesses of the town, > does that get much mention - if you know. Hi Eliz, Yes, there are a number of references to them in the section on Local Government, which covers around eight pages of A History of Malmesbury (1999) by Jane Freeman and Aelred Watkin with contributions by H.F. Chettle, Elizabeth Crittall and D.A. Crowley. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:53:18 -0000, Nancy Frey <nfrey@auracom.com> wrote: > This Rootsweb List is fairly inactive. You might want to join one or > more of the Wiltshire Yahoo! Groups as there are many people there who > may be able to help you. Hi Nancy, I've been browsing the Eng-Wiltshire list for months so I have seen the level of activity. Today, though, this list is more active than some of the others to which you and I belong. I haven't joined the Eng-Wiltshire list just to get help. I hope to contribute and help others, too. Concerning the Yahoo Groups, thanks for mentioning them but joining is much too complicated for me. I have been a member of rootsweb lists for over 12 years and I'm accustomed to the rootsweb way. You can't teach an old dog new tricks, well not this one, anyway:-) Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 18:35:22 -0000, Michael Wells <casofilia@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Could I ask if there are references to PIKE or GRAYLE/GRAYELL in the book > please? Hi Mike, There's no reference to PIKE, but there are three references to GRAYLE in A History of Malmesbury (1999) by Jane Freeman and Aelred Watkin with contributions by H.F. Chettle, Elizabeth Crittall and D.A. Crowley. On page 39, Henry GRAYLE is mentioned in connection with Adam ARCHARD and Thomas HALL selling the lands of Burton Hill manor to him in 1577. There's a reference on this page to Henry GRAYLE and his son David buying Cowbridge Mill and other lands from Nicholas ARCHARD in 1612. On page 95, there's a reference to Henry GRAYLE in 1654 giving a rent charge of £10 per year from lands in Great Somerford so that poor children of Malmesbury could be apprenticed. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Again, thanks to you <G> Eliz On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:14:30 -0000, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> This one is proving more elusive to find <G> but how great it is to >> hear about these books. > > Hi Eliz and Listers, > > I bought my copy of Malmesbury beyond 2000 by David Critchlow with Peter > Osgood (1990)in the spring of 2004 along with A History of Malmesbury by > Dr. Bernulf Hodge. > > We had taken my parents out for an afternoon drive and I remember that the > daffodils were in bloom and that it was a lovely day for exploring the > little Wiltshire towns of Sherston and Malmesbury. > > I think that I bought the two booklets in Malmesbury Tourist Information > Centre in Malmesbury Town Hall. > > http://www.malmesbury.gov.uk/tic.html > > Josephine > > -- > Josephine Jeremiah > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:36:02 -0000, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the mention of the book! I just put it on my wish list at > Amazon <G> My Lewis' were Commoners and Burgess of the town and I am > interested in finding more out about that <G> Hi Eliz and Listers, Another 36-page booklet on my bookshelf is Malmesbury Beyond 2000 Yesterday Today Tomorrow by David Critchlow with Peter Osgood Design and Publishing. August 1990 First Edition. This has 28 black-and-white photographs showing the architecture of the town. There are two full-page sketch maps of Malmesbury -- Burghal Hidage c.890 and Bishop Roger's Works c.118-39. There are two full-page modern sketch maps of the town. There is also a contour plan of the site of Malmesbury on the back cover. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:36:02 -0000, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the mention of the book! I just put it on my wish list at > Amazon <G> My Lewis' were Commoners and Burgess of the town and I am > interested in finding more out about that <G> Hi Eliz and Listers, I also have a 36-page booklet A History of Malmesbury by Dr. Bernulf Hodge. The first edition was printed in 1968 and my copy is the 7th reprint of April 1998. This was published by the Friends of Malmesbury Abbey. There are 35 pages of text with three black-and-white sketches,three copies of old prints and a sketch map of Old Malmesbury on Page 35. The last page is a blank page. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:36:02 -0000, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the mention of the book! I just put it on my wish list at > Amazon <G> My Lewis' were Commoners and Burgess of the town and I am > interested in finding more out about that <G> Hi Eliz, There's just one reference to LEWIS in the index of A History of Malmesbury (1999) and that's for Joan LEWIS (nee LANGTON), who was the sister of John LANGTON. This reference is in connection with John's will dated 1660. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com