Just a question - was Reginald ARKELL connected to John ARKELL and Thomas ARKELL, who came to Canada. I am going to try and track down a copy of this book. - Joy in Ontario, Canada. > To: eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:07:54 +0000 > From: jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com > Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] The Round House (1958) by Reginald Arkell (was Bring home for Christmas - CARTER family) > > On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:45:24 -0000, Arthur Pye <apye@f2s.com> wrote: > > > I guess that you are aware of the link between the name ARKELL and > > Wiltshire? > > Seeing the surname ARKELL reminded me that among my books I have The Round > House (1958), a novel written by Reginald ARKELL who died at Cricklade in > 1959. The novel was illustrated by J.S. GOODALL. > > The Round House of the title was once the home of a canal lock keeper and > dubbed 'A Castle in Wiltshire' by an artist mentioned at the beginning of > the story. > > I haven't read this novel for about 20 years so it must go on my list of > novels to read again. > > -- > Josephine Jeremiah > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my previous message, I mentioned that The Round House (1958) by Reginald ARKELL was illustrated by J.S. GOODALL. I have since discovered that the artist and illustrator, John Strickland GOODALL (1908-1996), lived in Wiltshire. Many years ago, I remember seeing his illustrated 'wordless' book, An Edwardian Christmas (1977), when I was looking in bookshops at children's books. It was captivating. If I had bought it then, I could be enjoying An Edwardian Christmas now, as it's much too cold and snowy to venture outside. -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:45:24 -0000, Arthur Pye <apye@f2s.com> wrote: > I guess that you are aware of the link between the name ARKELL and > Wiltshire? Seeing the surname ARKELL reminded me that among my books I have The Round House (1958), a novel written by Reginald ARKELL who died at Cricklade in 1959. The novel was illustrated by J.S. GOODALL. The Round House of the title was once the home of a canal lock keeper and dubbed 'A Castle in Wiltshire' by an artist mentioned at the beginning of the story. I haven't read this novel for about 20 years so it must go on my list of novels to read again. -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Mary PITTS (wife of John PITTS) was a Quaker from Luckington. She made her will on 6 March 1700/01. The Quaker register for Frenchay: Boddington states that she died on 12 of the 1st month of 1701 and was buried on the 15th. However, the register does not show where she was buried. I suspect that she was buried at Luckington. Is anyone able to confirm that for me, please? Adrian Yorkshire

Joy, I guess that you are aware of the link between the name ARKELL and Wiltshire? Specifically the brewery of that name in Swindon. Just in case not, here's a link to the brewery's history: http://www.arkells.com/history.php This extract may be relevant to your search "John Arkell was a remarkable man. Born into a farming family in 1802 in Kempsford, South Gloucestershire, he emigrated to the New World in his late twenties and took with him a group of local people..." The timescale fits well with your CARTER family and Broad Blunsdon (referenced in Corinne's message) is close to Swindon, and also Kempsford, although over the county border in Gloucestershire, is also close to Broad Blunsdon. HTH, -- Arthur In message <SNT130-w11D150431068E9C1034A79FF170@phx.gbl>, Joy Beaton <joy_beaton@hotmail.com> writes > >I would like to bring home James and Charlotte CARTER, my great, great >grandparents. They came to Canada c. 1830 and settled in what is now >known as Arkell, Ontario, Canada. > >They and their family came from Wiltshire, but I do not know where in >Wiltshire. > >James, born 1769 (James was 62 when he arrived in Canada) >Charlotte >John >James >Thomas >Ruth >Mary Ann > >Would love to know exactly where in Wiltshire they came from and to be >able to talk with them about their life in England. > >- Joy > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John Arkell did come to Canada, along with a cousin, Thomas. John later returned to England to marry and remained there. - Joy > Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:02:57 -0500 > From: elizhgene@gmail.com > To: eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Bring home for Christmas - CARTER family > > I wonder if he didn't go, just maybe arranged the emigration, or maybe returned > > Name: John Arkell brewer and innkeeper > Age: 48 > Estimated birth year: abt 1803 > Relation: Head > Spouse's name: E Arkell > Gender: M (Male) > Where born: Kempsford, Gloucestershire, England > > Civil Parish: Stratton St Margaret > County/Island: Wiltshire > Country: England > > Street address: > > Occupation: > > Condition as to marriage: > > Disability: > > View image > > Registration district: Highworth > Sub-registration district: Highworth > ED, institution, or vessel: 14a > Neighbors: View others on page > Household schedule number: 31 > Household Members: > Name Age > John Arkell 48 > E Arkell 35 > T Arkell 16 brewer > William Arkell 15 > J Arkell 11 > S Arkell 8 > H Arkell 5 > R J Arkell 3 > A H Arkell 2 > J Arkell 5 MO > Elizabeth Hewes 71 mother in law landowner > Ann Baden 22 visitor > Ann Reynolds 17 servant > Ann Titcomb 15 servant > > Lodgers > James Dodd 75 drover > Richard Gerring 19 " > > > Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1833; Folio: 225; Page: 8; GSU > roll: 220980. > > On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Arthur Pye <apye@f2s.com> wrote: > > Joy, > > I guess that you are aware of the link between the name ARKELL and > > Wiltshire? Specifically the brewery of that name in Swindon. > > > > Just in case not, here's a link to the brewery's history: > > http://www.arkells.com/history.php > > > > This extract may be relevant to your search "John Arkell was a > > remarkable man. Born into a farming family in 1802 in Kempsford, South > > Gloucestershire, he emigrated to the New World in his late twenties and > > took with him a group of local people..." > > > > The timescale fits well with your CARTER family and Broad Blunsdon > > (referenced in Corinne's message) is close to Swindon, and also > > Kempsford, although over the county border in Gloucestershire, is also > > close to Broad Blunsdon. > > > > HTH, > > -- > > Arthur > > > > In message <SNT130-w11D150431068E9C1034A79FF170@phx.gbl>, Joy Beaton > > <joy_beaton@hotmail.com> writes > >> > >>I would like to bring home James and Charlotte CARTER, my great, great > >>grandparents. They came to Canada c. 1830 and settled in what is now > >>known as Arkell, Ontario, Canada. > >> > >>They and their family came from Wiltshire, but I do not know where in > >>Wiltshire. > >> > >>James, born 1769 (James was 62 when he arrived in Canada) > >>Charlotte > >>John > >>James > >>Thomas > >>Ruth > >>Mary Ann > >> > >>Would love to know exactly where in Wiltshire they came from and to be > >>able to talk with them about their life in England. > >> > >>- Joy > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Arthur: Thank you for writing. I am aware of the ARKELL/CARTER connection - they arrived here at the same time and settled in the area that became known as Arkell. John Arkell returned to England but his cousin Thomas remained here. We have a lot of information for both families. The only information for James CARTER is that he and his wife, Charlotte, came from Wiltshire. I have never been able to determine where in Wiltshire, but I will definitely follow up on this information about Broad Blunsdon. My sincere thanks. - Joy > Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:45:24 +0000 > To: eng-wiltshire-l@rootsweb.com > From: apye@f2s.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Bring home for Christmas - CARTER family > > Joy, > I guess that you are aware of the link between the name ARKELL and > Wiltshire? Specifically the brewery of that name in Swindon. > > Just in case not, here's a link to the brewery's history: > http://www.arkells.com/history.php > > This extract may be relevant to your search "John Arkell was a > remarkable man. Born into a farming family in 1802 in Kempsford, South > Gloucestershire, he emigrated to the New World in his late twenties and > took with him a group of local people..." > > The timescale fits well with your CARTER family and Broad Blunsdon > (referenced in Corinne's message) is close to Swindon, and also > Kempsford, although over the county border in Gloucestershire, is also > close to Broad Blunsdon. > > HTH, > -- > Arthur > > In message <SNT130-w11D150431068E9C1034A79FF170@phx.gbl>, Joy Beaton > <joy_beaton@hotmail.com> writes > > > >I would like to bring home James and Charlotte CARTER, my great, great > >grandparents. They came to Canada c. 1830 and settled in what is now > >known as Arkell, Ontario, Canada. > > > >They and their family came from Wiltshire, but I do not know where in > >Wiltshire. > > > >James, born 1769 (James was 62 when he arrived in Canada) > >Charlotte > >John > >James > >Thomas > >Ruth > >Mary Ann > > > >Would love to know exactly where in Wiltshire they came from and to be > >able to talk with them about their life in England. > > > >- Joy > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if he didn't go, just maybe arranged the emigration, or maybe returned Name: John Arkell brewer and innkeeper Age: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1803 Relation: Head Spouse's name: E Arkell Gender: M (Male) Where born: Kempsford, Gloucestershire, England Civil Parish: Stratton St Margaret County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Highworth Sub-registration district: Highworth ED, institution, or vessel: 14a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 31 Household Members: Name Age John Arkell 48 E Arkell 35 T Arkell 16 brewer William Arkell 15 J Arkell 11 S Arkell 8 H Arkell 5 R J Arkell 3 A H Arkell 2 J Arkell 5 MO Elizabeth Hewes 71 mother in law landowner Ann Baden 22 visitor Ann Reynolds 17 servant Ann Titcomb 15 servant Lodgers James Dodd 75 drover Richard Gerring 19 " Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1833; Folio: 225; Page: 8; GSU roll: 220980. On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Arthur Pye <apye@f2s.com> wrote: > Joy, > I guess that you are aware of the link between the name ARKELL and > Wiltshire? Specifically the brewery of that name in Swindon. > > Just in case not, here's a link to the brewery's history: > http://www.arkells.com/history.php > > This extract may be relevant to your search "John Arkell was a > remarkable man. Born into a farming family in 1802 in Kempsford, South > Gloucestershire, he emigrated to the New World in his late twenties and > took with him a group of local people..." > > The timescale fits well with your CARTER family and Broad Blunsdon > (referenced in Corinne's message) is close to Swindon, and also > Kempsford, although over the county border in Gloucestershire, is also > close to Broad Blunsdon. > > HTH, > -- > Arthur > > In message <SNT130-w11D150431068E9C1034A79FF170@phx.gbl>, Joy Beaton > <joy_beaton@hotmail.com> writes >> >>I would like to bring home James and Charlotte CARTER, my great, great >>grandparents.  They came to Canada c. 1830 and settled in what is now >>known as Arkell, Ontario, Canada. >> >>They and their family came from Wiltshire, but I do not know where in >>Wiltshire. >> >>James, born 1769 (James was 62 when he arrived in Canada) >>Charlotte >>John >>James >>Thomas >>Ruth >>Mary Ann >> >>Would love to know exactly where in Wiltshire they came from and to be >>able to talk with them about their life in England. >> >>- Joy >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

HI Josephine, Thankyou for the reply through the list, I didn't receive any other reply from you, as you suspected might have been the case. I have been wondering about "Combe" for several years now and have asked before on this list about which place might have been meant by John PARSONS when he gave just Combe Wiltshire as his birth place in the census. Coombe Bissett has been pointed out to me before but cannot decide if that might be the intended place or not. With the Castle Combe having the last part of it's name spelt in the way that John spelt his Combe, rather than Coombe, I am inclined to think that maybe that is where he was born. But I can't be certain that it was not just a mis-spelling of the word Coombe. I think I will just have to put this birth place down to one of those unsolvable family history puzzles. thankyou once again for your reply. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<A couple of days ago, I was asked, off-list, if I knew of Castle Combe being called just Combe. I wrote an off-list reply, but I don't know if this was sent from my computer. That morning I was having a little problem with a new set-up regarding sending and receiving mail. So here is my reply. I haven't heard of Castle Combe being called just Combe, but the Combe mentioned could have been Coombe Bissett near Salisbury. Here's the Genuki page for Coombe Bisset (sic): http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WIL/CoombeBisset/index.html There is also a wikipedia page on Coombe Bissett: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coombe_Bissett>>

Joy, The IGI has 3 entries James Carter m Charlotte Sturmey 12 Sep 1815 Hannington, Wilts Mary Ann Carter bapt 13 Feb 1825 Broad Blunsdon, Wilts Ruth Carter bapt 18 Nov 1827 Broad Blunsdon, Wilts Broad Blunsdon and Hannington parishes are contiguous and have not been IGI'd as such, so would warrant further investigation to see if the other children were also baptised there Regards Corrinne Goodenough Guild of One Name Studies Regional Rep Wiltshire Researching Diviani www.diviani.org -----Original Message----- From: eng-wiltshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-wiltshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy Beaton Sent: 18 December 2010 16:14 To: wiltshire post Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Bring home for Christmas - CARTER family I would like to bring home James and Charlotte CARTER, my great, great grandparents. They came to Canada c. 1830 and settled in what is now known as Arkell, Ontario, Canada. They and their family came from Wiltshire, but I do not know where in Wiltshire. James, born 1769 (James was 62 when he arrived in Canada) Charlotte John James Thomas Ruth Mary Ann Would love to know exactly where in Wiltshire they came from and to be able to talk with them about their life in England. - Joy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

I have been searching on my bookshelves for a little early 20th-century booklet about Trowbridge with no luck, so far, though I know that it must be there. In my search I have turned up another Wiltshire booklet, which I bought at a PBFA book fair in Bradford-on-Avon some years ago. This is a little booklet on Bradford & Melksham Rural District published just under half a century ago. (A bookseller's note attached to the first page indicates a publishing date of 1951-1952 and that the booklet is scarce.) There are 16 black-and-white photographs, which include subjects such as the Manor House and Church, Great Chalfield, The Old Manor, Broughton Gifford, The Courts, Holt, The Old Ham Tree Inn, Holt, South Wraxall Church, South Wraxall Manor, The entrance to Westwood Manor House, Westwood Church, Wingfield and Winsley, Conkwell. A folding map at the back shows the area covered by The Bradford & Melksham District guide. What is interesting about a guidebook such as this is that there are a number of advertisements for local businesses. There is also local information about banks, railways, buses, domestic services, local newspapers, places of worship, cinemas, clubs, schools, sport and markets. A page with 'Some Useful Addresses' is at the back. Reading through this little booklet has whetted my appetite for a return visit to this area. It's been some years since I last visited the National Trust properties of Great Chalfield Manor, Westwood Manor and The Courts Garden so I look forward to visiting them in the spring, when the properties are open. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

A couple of days ago, I was asked, off-list, if I knew of Castle Combe being called just Combe. I wrote an off-list reply, but I don't know if this was sent from my computer. That morning I was having a little problem with a new set-up regarding sending and receiving mail. So here is my reply. I haven't heard of Castle Combe being called just Combe, but the Combe mentioned could have been Coombe Bissett near Salisbury. Here's the Genuki page for Coombe Bisset (sic): http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WIL/CoombeBisset/index.html There is also a wikipedia page on Coombe Bissett: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coombe_Bissett -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

I would like to bring home James and Charlotte CARTER, my great, great grandparents. They came to Canada c. 1830 and settled in what is now known as Arkell, Ontario, Canada. They and their family came from Wiltshire, but I do not know where in Wiltshire. James, born 1769 (James was 62 when he arrived in Canada) Charlotte John James Thomas Ruth Mary Ann Would love to know exactly where in Wiltshire they came from and to be able to talk with them about their life in England. - Joy

Sorry John, I see there was a typo in my message. Just to clarify, Thomas was the brother of Harriett, Eliza and Thirza. I see I repeated the name of Thomas. David On 16 December 2010 10:40, John M <jhwm1@btconnect.com> wrote: > Morning David > > Let me check further but I think Harriet is related and a Benjamin B was my > ggggg Grandfather. I will check furtheron this as well. My Benjamins son > John Witts B owned Quermford Farm in Calne 1815 to 1898 off the top of my > head. > > Don't want to unreasonably raise your hopes but same area, surname and > period etc etc. > > Regards > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-wiltshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-wiltshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Roberts > Sent: 16 December 2010 08:42 > To: eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] BODMAN, Calne, Universal British Directory, > 1791 (was PALMER & BODMAN marriage, Langley Burrell, 1813) > > Thank you John. I was beginning to despair! > > My information is as follows: > > John Palmer (dob &dod unknown) married Ann(e) Bodman at Langley Burrell > (dob > & dod both unknown.) The date of the marriage is 22nd March 1813. > Elizabeth Palmer (mother or sister of John?) was a witness. > > Their children were Eliza (1814) Thirza (1816) Thomas Thomas (b1817) and > Harriet (1821) > Eliza and Thirza were christened at Langley Burrell, Thomas at Hilmarton, > and Harriet was born at Lacock. > > John Palmer was described as a yeoman on the Lacock Tithe Map of 1839. > Thomas was a butcher in London from 1845 onwards. I believe Ann(e) Bodman > may be the daughter of the Bodman family who were butchers in Calne - > Benjamin or Joseph. Thomas could have gained his early butchering skills > within his mother's family. > > I believe John Palmer died between 1839 and 1845. Ann(e) remarried and may > have gone to Frome. All of Thomas's sons were sent to boarding school in > Frome. > > I have masses of info on the Palmers since my mother was the granddaughter > of Thomas. > > I would be delighted to swap info with you if you think we have a link. > > Best wishes > > David Roberts > > On 16 December 2010 06:51, John M <jhwm1@btconnect.com> wrote: > > > Morning David > > Im a direct Descendant of the Bodmans of Calne/Devizes. I have just > noticed > > your recent correspondence regarding the Bodmans and wonder whether I can > > help/exchange info on the Family. As I have only just noticed your > interest > > I would be grateful of some info regarding your area of research. > > Regards > > John M > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eng-wiltshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:eng-wiltshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Roberts > > Sent: 04 December 2010 00:18 > > To: eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] BODMAN, Calne, Universal British Directory, > > 1791 (was PALMER & BODMAN marriage, Langley Burrell, 1813) > > > > Josephine , thank you so much. I have seen the will of Joseph Bodman, > but > > there was no mention of Ann in it, that I recall. I shall look at it in > > more detail. > > > > Could you remind me of the meaning of (F) after a name? > > > > Two other names that crop up are Selman and Sainsbury. Ann Palmer was > > witness to the Lacock marriage of George Selman and Jane Butcher. Thomas > > Palmer's wife was friendly with Mrs Sainsbury (the grocers), since their > > shops were only yards apart in Drury Lane. There are other Sainsburys > > sprinkled about Langley Burrell as well as Frome. > > > > Family history research is rather like a drug, isn't it? > > > > Thanks again. > > > > Best wishes > > > > David > > > > > > > > On 3 December 2010 18:22, Josephine Jeremiah > > <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com>wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 16:55:06 -0000, David Roberts > > > <david@roberts-productions.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, I think Ann(e) Bodman might have been the daughter of the Bodman > > > > butchers in Calne. > > > > > > Hi David, > > > > > > I had a feeling that your John PALMER and Ann(e) BODMAN might belong to > > > families who had some standing in the community because they both > signed > > > the marriage register as did the witnesses at their marriage in 1813. > > Some > > > of my brides and grooms and their witnesses were still giving their > marks > > > on marriage registers in the second half of the 19th century. > > > > > > Was Ann(e) the daughter of Benjamin BODMAN, butcher? There's an entry > for > > > him in Calne in the Universal British Directory of 1791. Other entries > > are > > > for BODMAN, Jos. sen. (F.) Farmer and BODMAN Jos. jun. (F.) Farmer. > There > > > are entries for BODMAN Jos. sen. (F.) and BODMAN Jos. jun. among the 13 > > > burgesses of Calne. The latter didn't have (F.) after his names in the > > > burgess section of the Calne directory. > > > > > > Josephine > > > > > > -- > > > Josephine Jeremiah > > > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Morning David Let me check further but I think Harriet is related and a Benjamin B was my ggggg Grandfather. I will check furtheron this as well. My Benjamins son John Witts B owned Quermford Farm in Calne 1815 to 1898 off the top of my head. Don't want to unreasonably raise your hopes but same area, surname and period etc etc. Regards John -----Original Message----- From: eng-wiltshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-wiltshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Roberts Sent: 16 December 2010 08:42 To: eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] BODMAN, Calne, Universal British Directory, 1791 (was PALMER & BODMAN marriage, Langley Burrell, 1813) Thank you John. I was beginning to despair! My information is as follows: John Palmer (dob &dod unknown) married Ann(e) Bodman at Langley Burrell (dob & dod both unknown.) The date of the marriage is 22nd March 1813. Elizabeth Palmer (mother or sister of John?) was a witness. Their children were Eliza (1814) Thirza (1816) Thomas Thomas (b1817) and Harriet (1821) Eliza and Thirza were christened at Langley Burrell, Thomas at Hilmarton, and Harriet was born at Lacock. John Palmer was described as a yeoman on the Lacock Tithe Map of 1839. Thomas was a butcher in London from 1845 onwards. I believe Ann(e) Bodman may be the daughter of the Bodman family who were butchers in Calne - Benjamin or Joseph. Thomas could have gained his early butchering skills within his mother's family. I believe John Palmer died between 1839 and 1845. Ann(e) remarried and may have gone to Frome. All of Thomas's sons were sent to boarding school in Frome. I have masses of info on the Palmers since my mother was the granddaughter of Thomas. I would be delighted to swap info with you if you think we have a link. Best wishes David Roberts On 16 December 2010 06:51, John M <jhwm1@btconnect.com> wrote: > Morning David > Im a direct Descendant of the Bodmans of Calne/Devizes. I have just noticed > your recent correspondence regarding the Bodmans and wonder whether I can > help/exchange info on the Family. As I have only just noticed your interest > I would be grateful of some info regarding your area of research. > Regards > John M > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-wiltshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-wiltshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Roberts > Sent: 04 December 2010 00:18 > To: eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] BODMAN, Calne, Universal British Directory, > 1791 (was PALMER & BODMAN marriage, Langley Burrell, 1813) > > Josephine , thank you so much. I have seen the will of Joseph Bodman, but > there was no mention of Ann in it, that I recall. I shall look at it in > more detail. > > Could you remind me of the meaning of (F) after a name? > > Two other names that crop up are Selman and Sainsbury. Ann Palmer was > witness to the Lacock marriage of George Selman and Jane Butcher. Thomas > Palmer's wife was friendly with Mrs Sainsbury (the grocers), since their > shops were only yards apart in Drury Lane. There are other Sainsburys > sprinkled about Langley Burrell as well as Frome. > > Family history research is rather like a drug, isn't it? > > Thanks again. > > Best wishes > > David > > > > On 3 December 2010 18:22, Josephine Jeremiah > <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com>wrote: > > > On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 16:55:06 -0000, David Roberts > > <david@roberts-productions.com> wrote: > > > > > Yes, I think Ann(e) Bodman might have been the daughter of the Bodman > > > butchers in Calne. > > > > Hi David, > > > > I had a feeling that your John PALMER and Ann(e) BODMAN might belong to > > families who had some standing in the community because they both signed > > the marriage register as did the witnesses at their marriage in 1813. > Some > > of my brides and grooms and their witnesses were still giving their marks > > on marriage registers in the second half of the 19th century. > > > > Was Ann(e) the daughter of Benjamin BODMAN, butcher? There's an entry for > > him in Calne in the Universal British Directory of 1791. Other entries > are > > for BODMAN, Jos. sen. (F.) Farmer and BODMAN Jos. jun. (F.) Farmer. There > > are entries for BODMAN Jos. sen. (F.) and BODMAN Jos. jun. among the 13 > > burgesses of Calne. The latter didn't have (F.) after his names in the > > burgess section of the Calne directory. > > > > Josephine > > > > -- > > Josephine Jeremiah > > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>There can often be small errors in web sites, book and articles, but that does not mean to say that the whole site, book or article is poor.< Not only in the above, I usually read through my emails before sending just in case of any errors, but I still manage to miss some. Myrtle >> What a poor website. > > Harry and Susan, > > If you look on the feedback page of the web site, you will see that any > suggestions on how to improve the content of the site are welcomed. You > could both direct your comments there. > > http://www.visitwiltshire.co.uk/site/feedback >

On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:50:32 -0000, <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > There are some interesting web pages, which feature Christmas traditions > in Wiltshire. On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:49:03 -0000, Harry Tadd <harry.tadd@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Am I becoming confused in my old age? I have just visited these sites. A > couple of things... On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:18:41 -0000, Susan Morris <susan.fh@cosmic-colour.co.uk> wrote: > What a poor website. Harry and Susan, If you look on the feedback page of the web site, you will see that any suggestions on how to improve the content of the site are welcomed. You could both direct your comments there. http://www.visitwiltshire.co.uk/site/feedback There can often be small errors in web sites, book and articles, but that does not mean to say that the whole site, book or article is poor. If you have written the text for any of these, you will know of the many errors which can be found at proof reading stage especially in the case of books. Perhaps you can direct the list to other web sites about Christmas traditions in Wiltshire, which you find more favourable. -- Josephine Jeremiah www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Thank you John. I was beginning to despair! My information is as follows: John Palmer (dob &dod unknown) married Ann(e) Bodman at Langley Burrell (dob & dod both unknown.) The date of the marriage is 22nd March 1813. Elizabeth Palmer (mother or sister of John?) was a witness. Their children were Eliza (1814) Thirza (1816) Thomas Thomas (b1817) and Harriet (1821) Eliza and Thirza were christened at Langley Burrell, Thomas at Hilmarton, and Harriet was born at Lacock. John Palmer was described as a yeoman on the Lacock Tithe Map of 1839. Thomas was a butcher in London from 1845 onwards. I believe Ann(e) Bodman may be the daughter of the Bodman family who were butchers in Calne - Benjamin or Joseph. Thomas could have gained his early butchering skills within his mother's family. I believe John Palmer died between 1839 and 1845. Ann(e) remarried and may have gone to Frome. All of Thomas's sons were sent to boarding school in Frome. I have masses of info on the Palmers since my mother was the granddaughter of Thomas. I would be delighted to swap info with you if you think we have a link. Best wishes David Roberts On 16 December 2010 06:51, John M <jhwm1@btconnect.com> wrote: > Morning David > Im a direct Descendant of the Bodmans of Calne/Devizes. I have just noticed > your recent correspondence regarding the Bodmans and wonder whether I can > help/exchange info on the Family. As I have only just noticed your interest > I would be grateful of some info regarding your area of research. > Regards > John M > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-wiltshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-wiltshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Roberts > Sent: 04 December 2010 00:18 > To: eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] BODMAN, Calne, Universal British Directory, > 1791 (was PALMER & BODMAN marriage, Langley Burrell, 1813) > > Josephine , thank you so much. I have seen the will of Joseph Bodman, but > there was no mention of Ann in it, that I recall. I shall look at it in > more detail. > > Could you remind me of the meaning of (F) after a name? > > Two other names that crop up are Selman and Sainsbury. Ann Palmer was > witness to the Lacock marriage of George Selman and Jane Butcher. Thomas > Palmer's wife was friendly with Mrs Sainsbury (the grocers), since their > shops were only yards apart in Drury Lane. There are other Sainsburys > sprinkled about Langley Burrell as well as Frome. > > Family history research is rather like a drug, isn't it? > > Thanks again. > > Best wishes > > David > > > > On 3 December 2010 18:22, Josephine Jeremiah > <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com>wrote: > > > On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 16:55:06 -0000, David Roberts > > <david@roberts-productions.com> wrote: > > > > > Yes, I think Ann(e) Bodman might have been the daughter of the Bodman > > > butchers in Calne. > > > > Hi David, > > > > I had a feeling that your John PALMER and Ann(e) BODMAN might belong to > > families who had some standing in the community because they both signed > > the marriage register as did the witnesses at their marriage in 1813. > Some > > of my brides and grooms and their witnesses were still giving their marks > > on marriage registers in the second half of the 19th century. > > > > Was Ann(e) the daughter of Benjamin BODMAN, butcher? There's an entry for > > him in Calne in the Universal British Directory of 1791. Other entries > are > > for BODMAN, Jos. sen. (F.) Farmer and BODMAN Jos. jun. (F.) Farmer. There > > are entries for BODMAN Jos. sen. (F.) and BODMAN Jos. jun. among the 13 > > burgesses of Calne. The latter didn't have (F.) after his names in the > > burgess section of the Calne directory. > > > > Josephine > > > > -- > > Josephine Jeremiah > > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Morning David Im a direct Descendant of the Bodmans of Calne/Devizes. I have just noticed your recent correspondence regarding the Bodmans and wonder whether I can help/exchange info on the Family. As I have only just noticed your interest I would be grateful of some info regarding your area of research. Regards John M -----Original Message----- From: eng-wiltshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-wiltshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Roberts Sent: 04 December 2010 00:18 To: eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] BODMAN, Calne, Universal British Directory, 1791 (was PALMER & BODMAN marriage, Langley Burrell, 1813) Josephine , thank you so much. I have seen the will of Joseph Bodman, but there was no mention of Ann in it, that I recall. I shall look at it in more detail. Could you remind me of the meaning of (F) after a name? Two other names that crop up are Selman and Sainsbury. Ann Palmer was witness to the Lacock marriage of George Selman and Jane Butcher. Thomas Palmer's wife was friendly with Mrs Sainsbury (the grocers), since their shops were only yards apart in Drury Lane. There are other Sainsburys sprinkled about Langley Burrell as well as Frome. Family history research is rather like a drug, isn't it? Thanks again. Best wishes David On 3 December 2010 18:22, Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com>wrote: > On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 16:55:06 -0000, David Roberts > <david@roberts-productions.com> wrote: > > > Yes, I think Ann(e) Bodman might have been the daughter of the Bodman > > butchers in Calne. > > Hi David, > > I had a feeling that your John PALMER and Ann(e) BODMAN might belong to > families who had some standing in the community because they both signed > the marriage register as did the witnesses at their marriage in 1813. Some > of my brides and grooms and their witnesses were still giving their marks > on marriage registers in the second half of the 19th century. > > Was Ann(e) the daughter of Benjamin BODMAN, butcher? There's an entry for > him in Calne in the Universal British Directory of 1791. Other entries are > for BODMAN, Jos. sen. (F.) Farmer and BODMAN Jos. jun. (F.) Farmer. There > are entries for BODMAN Jos. sen. (F.) and BODMAN Jos. jun. among the 13 > burgesses of Calne. The latter didn't have (F.) after his names in the > burgess section of the Calne directory. > > Josephine > > -- > Josephine Jeremiah > www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WILTSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, it is a custom that started in 1947. A tree was and is donated by the people of Norway to the people of UK in thanks for their support during the war. And yes, Victoria and Albert married in 1840, when Victoria was 20, so Albert could not have introduced the tree into the household in 1834. And he would have been just 15 in 1834. What a poor website. Susan On 16/12/2010 00:49, Harry Tadd wrote: > Am I becoming confused in my old age? I have just visited these sites. A > couple of things. Where did they get the idea that the Queen of Norway sent > Prince Albert a tree that was then put up in Trafalgar Square. This custom > surely started in 1947 as a Thankyou from the people of Oslo. Also surely > Victoria and Albert married in 1840? > Harry > > -----Original Message----- > From: jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 3:50 PM > To: eng-wiltshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Christmas traditions in Wiltshire > > At this time of year people sometimes wonder about how their ancestors > celebrated the Christmas season. > > There are some interesting web pages, which feature Christmas traditions > in Wiltshire. > > Christmas-through-the-ages > > http://www.visitwiltshire.co.uk/site/whats-on/christmas-in-wiltshire/christmas-traditions-and-history/christmas-through-the-ages > > This has information about the Winter Solstice, Romans, Medieval Christmas > and Victorians. > > The question 'Are there any traditional Christmas customs in Wiltshire?' > is answered on a Wiltshire Community History web page: > > http://www.northwilts.gov.uk/community/getfaq.php?id=194 >