Hello Michael I went to the Local Studies Library this afternoon and went through the microfilms of the 1814 Salisbury Journal newspaper. Unfortunately I couldn't find John even though there were reports of other court lists. Of course a few of the pages were so pale parts were unreadable, so I bet he was on one of them!! Every edition of the paper was taken up with the latest news of the battles against Napoleon so I suppose lesser news did get squeezed out. If you do think of anything I can do here in Salisbury, let me know. Put a heading on the message I'll notice - something like FOR DOT then I won't accidentally chuck it in the bin!! Best wishes, Dot > Thank you for your interest and taking the time to reply. > > When John was transported his age was given as 24 so he would have been > born c1800. > > In 1814 when he was sentenced to 12 months for larceny no age was given. > > I've found the baptism of a John in Shaftesbury, Dorset the illegitimate > son of Elizabeth baptised December 2nd 1799 and this could possibly be > him but then again possibly not. > > My re found pen pal has details from his arrival and I am waiting for > him to let me have the names of the children to see if the tie in with > any that could parents over here. If one has a middle name of Goddard we > would be laughing but we'll have to wait and see. > > Again many thanks for your help > > Regards > > Michael > > > > gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk wrote: >> Hello Michael >> >> There was a John Bugden baptised in St Edmunds Church, Salisbury on 26th >> December 1793, son of Goddard Bugden and his wife Mary (IGI Batch number >> C153491) >> >> Might this be the John you are looking for (New Sarum was the name much used >> in those days for Salisbury). You didn't give his approximate date of birth >> - maybe you don't know it - so I'm just guessing. >> >> Bugden is a well known name in south Wiltshire. There were also Bugden >> families in the Donhead St Mary area of south Wilts living alongside my Gurd >> family >> >> There was a John Bugden baptised on 8th October 1786 at Donhead St Mary, son >> of Elijah and Elizabeth. I noticed a sibling baptised a few years earlier >> and there might be others. >> >> 'Your' John might be either of these - or neither of them! >> >> If you'd like to contact me off- List I'll se what I can do to help >> >> Best wishes, Dot >> in Salisbury, Wilts >> >> >> >>> I've recently made contact with a pen pal I had 45 years ago and he has >>> just emailed telling me that his Gt. Gt. Grandfather was a convict. >>> >>> This is what he wrote; >>> >>> My great, great grandfather was a convict >>> transported as a young man in the early 1800's on board the HMS >>> Guilford. We >>> believe he was convicted of theft in Liverpool Court of Petty Sessions. >>> After arrival in Australia he was assigned to Sydney and later to the >>> Hunter >>> Valley (about 85 miles North West of Sydney). He was granted a "ticket of >>> leave" (i.e. parole) after about 6 years but it was cancelled shortly after >>> because he was outside his assigned area. He was then granted another >>> ticket >>> of leave and shortly after married a British officer's daughter. The >>> marriage was written up in the Sydney Morning Herald at the time. He >>> eventually moved to the Far North Coast of New South Wales with the first >>> wave of early settlers to that area. I am a direct descendant of his family >>> which continued to live in the Richmond River area for some 160 years >>> (which >>> is a long long time in this country). It is fashionable in Australia to be >>> the descendent of a convict - it shows you are a "dinky dye Australian". >>> >>> John BUGDEN was transported and arrived March 5th 1824 on board The >>> Guildford that had sailed from Portsmouth. >>> >>> Checking the criminal registers I find that John Bugden's life of crime >>> started in 1814 when he was sentenced at January sessions of the City of >>> New Sarum to 12 months for larceny. >>> >>> Can anybody help with further background on the Bugden family? >>> It would be nice to find some living relatives. >>> >>> Any help would be really appreciated. >>> >>> Michael >>> >> >> >> ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Ordering BMD Certificates: see >> http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certificates.asp >> http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certe_w/fees.asp >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. 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Being a new subscriber, I am hoping some kind list member can help me with how to obtain further information regarding a family member who died in Devizes. Dudley Albertus WRIGHT was born in Epsom,Surrey on Aug 28, 1874.He moved to France in the about 1892 and joined the French Foreign Legion.He married in France. He was the valet for the entertainer Maurice Chevalier and they travelled the world together. He had 4 children all born in France.His 2 eldest children Elizabeth born 1896 and Alfred born 1898 were residing in Brighton with their grandparents in 1901 and are listed as being born in France but are British subjects.At least 3 of his children lived in France and raised families there and died there. I have the death certificate for Dudley Albertus WRIGHT from Devizes.He died at St James Hospital on March 12, 1952 aged 77. His residence is given as South View (looks to be ROWDE, the writing is difficult to make out) Devizes Rd.The name and address of the informant is given as his son-in-law A.E. (again hard to make out) PERRETT or PERRELL. Since Dudley Albertus WRIGHT only had 2 daughters and the one lived and died in France we are assuming that AE Perrett must have been married to his eldest daughter Elizabeth Emma Wright and are also assuming that she must have stayed in England after she was living with her granparents in 1901. I would be interested to find out possible places where Dudley Albertus may have been buried in the area of Devizes and anything at all which would help regarding Elizabeth Emma WRIGHT and her husband AE PERRETT or PERRELL who are total brick walls. Cris Van Hal (Ontario, Canada) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 08/06/2006

Thanks I'll give it a look. Judy -----Original Message----- From: Jim Parsons [mailto:somersetresearcher@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 5:13 PM To: ENG-WILTSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: VENNEL(L) was Re: [ENG-WIL] I'm a new subscriber Judy I Googled TROWBRIDGE over 5 million entries Some with old photos JUim Judy howgate <jhowgate@maine.rr.com> wrote: Jim, You have been very helpful. Thank you. Did the 1861 census list the names and ages of his sisters? Do you know what a Boy 1st Class duties on a steamer would be? Was it part of the Royal Navy or just like a Merchant Marine? Does anyone out there know what kind of a neighborhood MORTIMORE ST. in Trowbridge would have been like in the mid 1800? I'm building a profile on my G-Grandfather. So far I like him. Kind of romantic, running off to sea. I found the father, William Vennell on the 1881 census. He was living with his daughter, Leah (Vennell) Hewett and her husband James Hewett. William was listed as a pauper. I also found that he died that same year, 1881. That's the same year we find my John H. came to America. The plot thickens! Thank you so so much, Judy -----Original Message----- From: Jim Parsons [mailto:somersetresearcher@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:15 PM To: ENG-WILTSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: VENNEL(L) was Re: [ENG-WIL] I'm a new subscriber Judy 1861 Census - Mortimore Street TROWBRIDGE Wiltshire. John VENNEL age 9 Scholar born TROWBRIDGE Wiltshire Father: William VENNEL age 46 Wool Dyer born TROWBRIDGE Wiltshire Mother: Eliza age 49 3 older sisters all in Woolen Cloth Industry 1871 Census William & Eliza still in Mortimore Street as VENNELL No sign of John Details from Ancestry.co.uk Jim Judy howgate wrote: I have been researching my husband's family for 3yrs and have made some strong connections. We now have expanded our family by finding cousins in Yorkshire Eng. and Australia under our HOWGATE name. It is time now for me to search out my VENNELL family. While researching my husband's people I found he also has a VENNELL connection. I was totally blown away! I discovered his g-grandmother, RUTH VENNELL, b. 1847 in Trowbridge d. 1927 USA / Parents William and Eliza (Purnell) Vennell Now here is where it gets interesting: My g-grandfather, John Henry Vennell, b 1854 in Trowbridge d. 1904 USA / Parents William and Eliza (Purnell) Vennell Ruth Vennell married in 1870 to William RANDALL (b. 1845 in Trowbridge d. 1920 USA) Came to USA in 1893 Ruth came 1895 John Henry Vennell served in the Royal Navy (1881 census) came to USA about 1890's or earlier. He married Martha Long in the USA. b.1856 Eng. d. 1931 USA What I would like to find is when John Henry Vennell came to America. Can he be found on British census after 1881. Any information on other siblings? William Vennell b. 1837 came to USA with family in the 1880's Leah Vennell b. 1841 Married James HEWETT Rhoda Vennell This is all the information I have. I'd like to get a feel on how they lived, occupations, neighborhood, religion. I'd like to make more connections with the VENNELL, RANDALL, LONG and HEWETT. I have lived in Maine, USA all my life. My husband and I have been married for 35 yrs and have two "perfect" sons and a wonderful grand-daughter, 3yrs. I love finding out about our English families. I'm hoping to make some Trowbridge connection. Thank you, Judy (VENNELL) Howgate ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== 1881 census, IGI (free): http://www.familysearch.org 1901 census (free to search, pay to view): www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk A2A database: http://www.a2a.org.uk Free BMD Project: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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Jim, You have been very helpful. Thank you. Did the 1861 census list the names and ages of his sisters? Do you know what a Boy 1st Class duties on a steamer would be? Was it part of the Royal Navy or just like a Merchant Marine? Does anyone out there know what kind of a neighborhood MORTIMORE ST. in Trowbridge would have been like in the mid 1800? I'm building a profile on my G-Grandfather. So far I like him. Kind of romantic, running off to sea. I found the father, William Vennell on the 1881 census. He was living with his daughter, Leah (Vennell) Hewett and her husband James Hewett. William was listed as a pauper. I also found that he died that same year, 1881. That's the same year we find my John H. came to America. The plot thickens! Thank you so so much, Judy -----Original Message----- From: Jim Parsons [mailto:somersetresearcher@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:15 PM To: ENG-WILTSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: VENNEL(L) was Re: [ENG-WIL] I'm a new subscriber Judy 1861 Census - Mortimore Street TROWBRIDGE Wiltshire. John VENNEL age 9 Scholar born TROWBRIDGE Wiltshire Father: William VENNEL age 46 Wool Dyer born TROWBRIDGE Wiltshire Mother: Eliza age 49 3 older sisters all in Woolen Cloth Industry 1871 Census William & Eliza still in Mortimore Street as VENNELL No sign of John Details from Ancestry.co.uk Jim Judy howgate <jhowgate@maine.rr.com> wrote: I have been researching my husband's family for 3yrs and have made some strong connections. We now have expanded our family by finding cousins in Yorkshire Eng. and Australia under our HOWGATE name. It is time now for me to search out my VENNELL family. While researching my husband's people I found he also has a VENNELL connection. I was totally blown away! I discovered his g-grandmother, RUTH VENNELL, b. 1847 in Trowbridge d. 1927 USA / Parents William and Eliza (Purnell) Vennell Now here is where it gets interesting: My g-grandfather, John Henry Vennell, b 1854 in Trowbridge d. 1904 USA / Parents William and Eliza (Purnell) Vennell Ruth Vennell married in 1870 to William RANDALL (b. 1845 in Trowbridge d. 1920 USA) Came to USA in 1893 Ruth came 1895 John Henry Vennell served in the Royal Navy (1881 census) came to USA about 1890's or earlier. He married Martha Long in the USA. b.1856 Eng. d. 1931 USA What I would like to find is when John Henry Vennell came to America. Can he be found on British census after 1881. Any information on other siblings? William Vennell b. 1837 came to USA with family in the 1880's Leah Vennell b. 1841 Married James HEWETT Rhoda Vennell This is all the information I have. I'd like to get a feel on how they lived, occupations, neighborhood, religion. I'd like to make more connections with the VENNELL, RANDALL, LONG and HEWETT. I have lived in Maine, USA all my life. My husband and I have been married for 35 yrs and have two "perfect" sons and a wonderful grand-daughter, 3yrs. I love finding out about our English families. I'm hoping to make some Trowbridge connection. Thank you, Judy (VENNELL) Howgate ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== 1881 census, IGI (free): http://www.familysearch.org 1901 census (free to search, pay to view): www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk A2A database: http://www.a2a.org.uk Free BMD Project: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== * UK genealogy: http://www.genuki.org.uk/ * Wiltshire County Council Research Guide: http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/index/heritage/wsro/researchguides.htm * Passenger lists, shipping schedules, etc.: http://TheShipsList.com/ ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/EUC.2ACI/2646.1 Message Board Post: hi just found your query, this is part of my gleed family, mine starts from his brother john, have gleed tree back to 1510, on this line cheers sue

Keith, Wow,it only took you an hour or so to find my g-grandparents. I've got to get evolved with that ancestry.com. I did find my g-grandmother on the 1880 American census, Martha Long living with her parents in R.I. So my guess is the date is 1880. I din't know about dau Nellie or Mary but Willie was my grandfather. My father was the WW11 John H. Vennell. His uncle was the other John H. I have a photo of a serviceman WW1 now I know it was my fathers uncle, John H. Thank you for your time and new found details, Judy -----Original Message----- From: Collingwood, Keith B OPE2 [mailto:keith.collingwood@siemens.com] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:40 PM To: ENG-WILTSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-WIL] I'm a new subscriber Judy; I dug around on Ancestry.com and picked up the info below. It looks like your John. There is more information available on ancestry.com, but I ran out of lunch time. Cheers Keith Passenger list Assyrian Monarch departed London, England arrived New York, NY 28 Nov 1881 John H. Vennell age 29 place of origin England 1890 Providence, Rhode Island directory: John H. Vennell, 33 Henrietta, occupation: Weaver 1900 Census: Sanford, Maine John ? Vennell b. Dec 1859 England immigrated 1890 occupation weaver married 16 years (i.e. married 1884) Martha wife b. Mar 1861 England immigrated 1890 Nellie daug b. Sep 1884 Rhode Island parents born England Mary daug b. Feb 1886 Rhode Island parents born England Willie son b. Feb 1888 Rhode Island parents born England John son b. Sep 1890 Rhode Island parents born England Lily Daug b. May 1893 Maine parents born England The year is off for John, 1859 instead of 1854. The census shows that they both emmigrated in 1890. This does not seem to make sense since Nellie was born in Rhode Island in 1884. The 1920 Census shows that Martha immigrated in 1890, but was naturalized in 1885. It sure looks like 1890 and not 1880 but it could be the scan. His son had to fill out a WWI draft card: Draft registration John Henry Vennell, born Providence, Rhode Island September 1, 1890. Residence 18 Winter, Sanford, Maine. He is a weaver at Goodall Worsted Plant in Sanford, Maine. He is single and he is the sole support of his mother. He claims draft excemption because he has to support his widowed mother. He is short, slender, Blue eyes, dark brown hair. It is signed June 5, 1917. Apparently the exemption was denied, he is listed in "Maine Military Men 1917-1918" Name: John H. Vennell Serial Number: 2728348 Birth Place: Providence, R. I. Birth Date: 01 Sep 1890 Residence: Sanford Comment: Ind: Kennebunk, York Co. No. 2, June 24/18. Private. Org: Co M 36 Inf to disch. Overseas service: None. Hon disch on demob: Jan. 21, 1919. 1930 census shows John Jr. married Alice (??)French Canadian, and had 8 children. It looks like he had a son, John III in 1920. Below is his WWII enlistment records U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946 Record about John H Vennell Name: John H Vennell Birth Year: 1920 Race: White, citizen Nativity State or Country: Maine State: Maine County or City: York Enlistment Date: 24 Jul 1942 Enlistment State: Maine Enlistment City: Portland Branch: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA Branch Code: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA Grade: Private Grade Code: Private Term of Enlistment: Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men) Source: Civil Life Education: Grammar school Civil Occupation: Aeronautical Engineer Marital Status: Single, without dependents Height: 63 Weight: 111 -----Original Message----- From: Judy howgate [mailto:jhowgate@maine.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:41 AM To: ENG-WILTSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WIL] I'm a new subscriber I have been researching my husband's family for 3yrs and have made some strong connections. We now have expanded our family by finding cousins in Yorkshire Eng. and Australia under our HOWGATE name. It is time now for me to search out my VENNELL family. While researching my husband's people I found he also has a VENNELL connection. I was totally blown away! I discovered his g-grandmother, RUTH VENNELL, b. 1847 in Trowbridge d. 1927 USA / Parents William and Eliza (Purnell) Vennell Now here is where it gets interesting: My g-grandfather, John Henry Vennell, b 1854 in Trowbridge d. 1904 USA / Parents William and Eliza (Purnell) Vennell Ruth Vennell married in 1870 to William RANDALL (b. 1845 in Trowbridge d. 1920 USA) Came to USA in 1893 Ruth came 1895 John Henry Vennell served in the Royal Navy (1881 census) came to USA about 1890's or earlier. He married Martha Long in the USA. b.1856 Eng. d. 1931 USA What I would like to find is when John Henry Vennell came to America. Can he be found on British census after 1881. Any information on other siblings? William Vennell b. 1837 came to USA with family in the 1880's Leah Vennell b. 1841 Married James HEWETT Rhoda Vennell This is all the information I have. I'd like to get a feel on how they lived, occupations, neighborhood, religion. I'd like to make more connections with the VENNELL, RANDALL, LONG and HEWETT. I have lived in Maine, USA all my life. My husband and I have been married for 35 yrs and have two "perfect" sons and a wonderful grand-daughter, 3yrs. I love finding out about our English families. I'm hoping to make some Trowbridge connection. Thank you, Judy (VENNELL) Howgate ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== 1881 census, IGI (free): http://www.familysearch.org 1901 census (free to search, pay to view): www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk A2A database: http://www.a2a.org.uk Free BMD Project: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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Judy; I dug around on Ancestry.com and picked up the info below. It looks like your John. There is more information available on ancestry.com, but I ran out of lunch time. Cheers Keith Passenger list Assyrian Monarch departed London, England arrived New York, NY 28 Nov 1881 John H. Vennell age 29 place of origin England 1890 Providence, Rhode Island directory: John H. Vennell, 33 Henrietta, occupation: Weaver 1900 Census: Sanford, Maine John ? Vennell b. Dec 1859 England immigrated 1890 occupation weaver married 16 years (i.e. married 1884) Martha wife b. Mar 1861 England immigrated 1890 Nellie daug b. Sep 1884 Rhode Island parents born England Mary daug b. Feb 1886 Rhode Island parents born England Willie son b. Feb 1888 Rhode Island parents born England John son b. Sep 1890 Rhode Island parents born England Lily Daug b. May 1893 Maine parents born England The year is off for John, 1859 instead of 1854. The census shows that they both emmigrated in 1890. This does not seem to make sense since Nellie was born in Rhode Island in 1884. The 1920 Census shows that Martha immigrated in 1890, but was naturalized in 1885. It sure looks like 1890 and not 1880 but it could be the scan. His son had to fill out a WWI draft card: Draft registration John Henry Vennell, born Providence, Rhode Island September 1, 1890. Residence 18 Winter, Sanford, Maine. He is a weaver at Goodall Worsted Plant in Sanford, Maine. He is single and he is the sole support of his mother. He claims draft excemption because he has to support his widowed mother. He is short, slender, Blue eyes, dark brown hair. It is signed June 5, 1917. Apparently the exemption was denied, he is listed in "Maine Military Men 1917-1918" Name: John H. Vennell Serial Number: 2728348 Birth Place: Providence, R. I. Birth Date: 01 Sep 1890 Residence: Sanford Comment: Ind: Kennebunk, York Co. No. 2, June 24/18. Private. Org: Co M 36 Inf to disch. Overseas service: None. Hon disch on demob: Jan. 21, 1919. 1930 census shows John Jr. married Alice (??)French Canadian, and had 8 children. It looks like he had a son, John III in 1920. Below is his WWII enlistment records U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946 Record about John H Vennell Name: John H Vennell Birth Year: 1920 Race: White, citizen Nativity State or Country: Maine State: Maine County or City: York Enlistment Date: 24 Jul 1942 Enlistment State: Maine Enlistment City: Portland Branch: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA Branch Code: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA Grade: Private Grade Code: Private Term of Enlistment: Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men) Source: Civil Life Education: Grammar school Civil Occupation: Aeronautical Engineer Marital Status: Single, without dependents Height: 63 Weight: 111 -----Original Message----- From: Judy howgate [mailto:jhowgate@maine.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:41 AM To: ENG-WILTSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WIL] I'm a new subscriber I have been researching my husband's family for 3yrs and have made some strong connections. We now have expanded our family by finding cousins in Yorkshire Eng. and Australia under our HOWGATE name. It is time now for me to search out my VENNELL family. While researching my husband's people I found he also has a VENNELL connection. I was totally blown away! I discovered his g-grandmother, RUTH VENNELL, b. 1847 in Trowbridge d. 1927 USA / Parents William and Eliza (Purnell) Vennell Now here is where it gets interesting: My g-grandfather, John Henry Vennell, b 1854 in Trowbridge d. 1904 USA / Parents William and Eliza (Purnell) Vennell Ruth Vennell married in 1870 to William RANDALL (b. 1845 in Trowbridge d. 1920 USA) Came to USA in 1893 Ruth came 1895 John Henry Vennell served in the Royal Navy (1881 census) came to USA about 1890's or earlier. He married Martha Long in the USA. b.1856 Eng. d. 1931 USA What I would like to find is when John Henry Vennell came to America. Can he be found on British census after 1881. Any information on other siblings? William Vennell b. 1837 came to USA with family in the 1880's Leah Vennell b. 1841 Married James HEWETT Rhoda Vennell This is all the information I have. I'd like to get a feel on how they lived, occupations, neighborhood, religion. I'd like to make more connections with the VENNELL, RANDALL, LONG and HEWETT. I have lived in Maine, USA all my life. My husband and I have been married for 35 yrs and have two "perfect" sons and a wonderful grand-daughter, 3yrs. I love finding out about our English families. I'm hoping to make some Trowbridge connection. Thank you, Judy (VENNELL) Howgate ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== 1881 census, IGI (free): http://www.familysearch.org 1901 census (free to search, pay to view): www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk A2A database: http://www.a2a.org.uk Free BMD Project: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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I have been researching my husband's family for 3yrs and have made some strong connections. We now have expanded our family by finding cousins in Yorkshire Eng. and Australia under our HOWGATE name. It is time now for me to search out my VENNELL family. While researching my husband's people I found he also has a VENNELL connection. I was totally blown away! I discovered his g-grandmother, RUTH VENNELL, b. 1847 in Trowbridge d. 1927 USA / Parents William and Eliza (Purnell) Vennell Now here is where it gets interesting: My g-grandfather, John Henry Vennell, b 1854 in Trowbridge d. 1904 USA / Parents William and Eliza (Purnell) Vennell Ruth Vennell married in 1870 to William RANDALL (b. 1845 in Trowbridge d. 1920 USA) Came to USA in 1893 Ruth came 1895 John Henry Vennell served in the Royal Navy (1881 census) came to USA about 1890's or earlier. He married Martha Long in the USA. b.1856 Eng. d. 1931 USA What I would like to find is when John Henry Vennell came to America. Can he be found on British census after 1881. Any information on other siblings? William Vennell b. 1837 came to USA with family in the 1880's Leah Vennell b. 1841 Married James HEWETT Rhoda Vennell This is all the information I have. I'd like to get a feel on how they lived, occupations, neighborhood, religion. I'd like to make more connections with the VENNELL, RANDALL, LONG and HEWETT. I have lived in Maine, USA all my life. My husband and I have been married for 35 yrs and have two "perfect" sons and a wonderful grand-daughter, 3yrs. I love finding out about our English families. I'm hoping to make some Trowbridge connection. Thank you, Judy (VENNELL) Howgate

Hello Dot Thank you for your interest and taking the time to reply. When John was transported his age was given as 24 so he would have been born c1800. In 1814 when he was sentenced to 12 months for larceny no age was given. I've found the baptism of a John in Shaftesbury, Dorset the illegitimate son of Elizabeth baptised December 2nd 1799 and this could possibly be him but then again possibly not. My re found pen pal has details from his arrival and I am waiting for him to let me have the names of the children to see if the tie in with any that could parents over here. If one has a middle name of Goddard we would be laughing but we'll have to wait and see. Again many thanks for your help Regards Michael gulliver@gotadsl.co.uk wrote: > Hello Michael > > There was a John Bugden baptised in St Edmunds Church, Salisbury on 26th > December 1793, son of Goddard Bugden and his wife Mary (IGI Batch number > C153491) > > Might this be the John you are looking for (New Sarum was the name much used > in those days for Salisbury). You didn't give his approximate date of birth > - maybe you don't know it - so I'm just guessing. > > Bugden is a well known name in south Wiltshire. There were also Bugden > families in the Donhead St Mary area of south Wilts living alongside my Gurd > family > > There was a John Bugden baptised on 8th October 1786 at Donhead St Mary, son > of Elijah and Elizabeth. I noticed a sibling baptised a few years earlier > and there might be others. > > 'Your' John might be either of these - or neither of them! > > If you'd like to contact me off- List I'll se what I can do to help > > Best wishes, Dot > in Salisbury, Wilts > > > >> I've recently made contact with a pen pal I had 45 years ago and he has >> just emailed telling me that his Gt. Gt. Grandfather was a convict. >> >> This is what he wrote; >> >> My great, great grandfather was a convict >> transported as a young man in the early 1800's on board the HMS >> Guilford. We >> believe he was convicted of theft in Liverpool Court of Petty Sessions. >> After arrival in Australia he was assigned to Sydney and later to the >> Hunter >> Valley (about 85 miles North West of Sydney). He was granted a "ticket of >> leave" (i.e. parole) after about 6 years but it was cancelled shortly after >> because he was outside his assigned area. He was then granted another >> ticket >> of leave and shortly after married a British officer's daughter. The >> marriage was written up in the Sydney Morning Herald at the time. He >> eventually moved to the Far North Coast of New South Wales with the first >> wave of early settlers to that area. I am a direct descendant of his family >> which continued to live in the Richmond River area for some 160 years >> (which >> is a long long time in this country). It is fashionable in Australia to be >> the descendent of a convict - it shows you are a "dinky dye Australian". >> >> John BUGDEN was transported and arrived March 5th 1824 on board The >> Guildford that had sailed from Portsmouth. >> >> Checking the criminal registers I find that John Bugden's life of crime >> started in 1814 when he was sentenced at January sessions of the City of >> New Sarum to 12 months for larceny. >> >> Can anybody help with further background on the Bugden family? >> It would be nice to find some living relatives. >> >> Any help would be really appreciated. >> >> Michael >> > > > ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Ordering BMD Certificates: see > http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certificates.asp > http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certe_w/fees.asp > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Hello Michael There was a John Bugden baptised in St Edmunds Church, Salisbury on 26th December 1793, son of Goddard Bugden and his wife Mary (IGI Batch number C153491) Might this be the John you are looking for (New Sarum was the name much used in those days for Salisbury). You didn't give his approximate date of birth - maybe you don't know it - so I'm just guessing. Bugden is a well known name in south Wiltshire. There were also Bugden families in the Donhead St Mary area of south Wilts living alongside my Gurd family There was a John Bugden baptised on 8th October 1786 at Donhead St Mary, son of Elijah and Elizabeth. I noticed a sibling baptised a few years earlier and there might be others. 'Your' John might be either of these - or neither of them! If you'd like to contact me off- List I'll se what I can do to help Best wishes, Dot in Salisbury, Wilts > I've recently made contact with a pen pal I had 45 years ago and he has > just emailed telling me that his Gt. Gt. Grandfather was a convict. > > This is what he wrote; > > My great, great grandfather was a convict > transported as a young man in the early 1800's on board the HMS > Guilford. We > believe he was convicted of theft in Liverpool Court of Petty Sessions. > After arrival in Australia he was assigned to Sydney and later to the > Hunter > Valley (about 85 miles North West of Sydney). He was granted a "ticket of > leave" (i.e. parole) after about 6 years but it was cancelled shortly after > because he was outside his assigned area. He was then granted another > ticket > of leave and shortly after married a British officer's daughter. The > marriage was written up in the Sydney Morning Herald at the time. He > eventually moved to the Far North Coast of New South Wales with the first > wave of early settlers to that area. I am a direct descendant of his family > which continued to live in the Richmond River area for some 160 years > (which > is a long long time in this country). It is fashionable in Australia to be > the descendent of a convict - it shows you are a "dinky dye Australian". > > John BUGDEN was transported and arrived March 5th 1824 on board The > Guildford that had sailed from Portsmouth. > > Checking the criminal registers I find that John Bugden's life of crime > started in 1814 when he was sentenced at January sessions of the City of > New Sarum to 12 months for larceny. > > Can anybody help with further background on the Bugden family? > It would be nice to find some living relatives. > > Any help would be really appreciated. > > Michael

Has anyone come across Kettlety records in this area? I have collected a few but have been unable to identify William's parents. Some records indicate he was born 1810. William also gave Bristol as a location of birth.His parents may have been William or John Kettlety, soldier and Ann.His death certificate does not clarify his parents. I have his details from 1830 as he was transported to NSW, Australia for stealing.He was tried in Worcester 1829.His occupation in records is listed as tailor and this was his trade in NSW. Is there an online site for checking Kettlety soldiers within this time frame? There were a few Kettletys listed in Devizes gaol records and I have those details but have no way of connecting them to William although I think it likely they were related. These include James Kettlety born about 1796 and John Kettlety born about 1808/9.There is also a Sarah Kittlety who offended in 1821. I also have a baptism record for Maria Kittlety, daughter of William Kittlety and Anna Maria baptised at Holt, 10 June 1810. I have been wondering if she was William Kettlety's sister. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Julie

Hi, I'm new to this list but subscribe to many others. I've recently made contact with a pen pal I had 45 years ago and he has just emailed telling me that his Gt. Gt. Grandfather was a convict. This is what he wrote; My great, great grandfather was a convict transported as a young man in the early 1800's on board the HMS Guilford. We believe he was convicted of theft in Liverpool Court of Petty Sessions. After arrival in Australia he was assigned to Sydney and later to the Hunter Valley (about 85 miles North West of Sydney). He was granted a "ticket of leave" (i.e. parole) after about 6 years but it was cancelled shortly after because he was outside his assigned area. He was then granted another ticket of leave and shortly after married a British officer's daughter. The marriage was written up in the Sydney Morning Herald at the time. He eventually moved to the Far North Coast of New South Wales with the first wave of early settlers to that area. I am a direct descendant of his family which continued to live in the Richmond River area for some 160 years (which is a long long time in this country). It is fashionable in Australia to be the descendent of a convict - it shows you are a "dinky dye Australian". John BUGDEN was transported and arrived March 5th 1824 on board The Guildford that had sailed from Portsmouth. Checking the criminal registers I find that John Bugden's life of crime started in 1814 when he was sentenced at January sessions of the City of New Sarum to 12 months for larceny. Can anybody help with further background on the Bugden family? It would be nice to find some living relatives. Any help would be really appreciated. Michael

Julie, Possibly part of that family. KITTLEY, Sarah Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 9 Jun 1805 Recorded in: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England Collection: St James Father: James KITTLEY Mother: Ann Source: FHL Film 1279313 Dates: 1783 - KITLEY, Honour Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 10 Mar 1816 Recorded in: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England Collection: St James Father: James KITLEY Mother: Ann Source: FHL Film 1279313 Dates: 1783 - Judy

Julie, This could be a possibility KITTELY, William Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 1 Jan 1809 Recorded in: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England Collection: St James Father: James KITTELY Mother: Ann Source: FHL Film 1279313 Dates: 1783 - Judy

Good morning I wonder if anyone can help I have ancestors who seemed to move around the borders of Wiltshire and Berkshire ie; Hungerford,Speen, Kintbury, Tilehurst. I have exhausted I think Berks looking for a marriage of William Randall to Elizabeth ? around 1798 to 1801 they bapt a son William at Tilehurst in 1801. But there does not appear to be a marriage there for them, William senior appears to have been bapt 1772 at Hungerford St Lawrence son of Humphrey Randall and Sarah Goddard. It has been suggested that the marriage could have been in Wiltshire. This brick wall seems to get higher & higher any help or advice gratefully accepted thankyou Beverley

Hi Wendy, Do you have a town/village/area in Wiltshire from where your great grandmother and her parents came? Julia -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com [mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of britgirltaylor@gmail.com Sent: 07 June 2006 18:21 To: ENG-WILTSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WIL] Ethel May Daniels - 1891 1901 Census This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Daniels Classification: Lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EUC.2ACI/3108 Message Board Post: Looking for information on my Great Grandmother Ethel May Daniels born 1880 parents are Emma Daniels and George Daniels sister Gertrude Any information or contact with people researching the same family would be greatly appreciated. I am located in Canada Wendy ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== Limit signature lines to four lines or less. DO NOT include all surnames that you are researching -- they are a waste of space and make searching the archives frustrating and pointless. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.2/357 - Release Date: 06/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.2/357 - Release Date: 06/06/2006

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: DANIELS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EUC.2ACI/3110 Message Board Post: Looking for information on my Grandmother Ethel May Daniels and her roots. Ethel was born 1880, New Swindon, Wiltshire sister Gertrude Daniels born abt 1875, New Swindon, Wiltshire mother Emma Daniels born about 1851 Bradford maiden name not known father George Daniels born about 1852 Westbury, Wiltshire another sister Lillian - birth date unknown.(after 1881) Trying to trace backwards - any help would be much appreciated. Wendy Taylor taylors@lara.on.ca Canada

Hi Wendy., Browsing on www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk found a Daniels George marriage to Elizabeth Puckett in 1842 at Minety (this is near Malmesbury Wilts). Don`t know if this is yours, where did your family come from in Wiltshire ? This site will in the end have all Wiltshire Birth/Mar/Death listed but not all complete as ongoing, but might be worth you having a look. Best Wishes Su England.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: pitman and angel Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EUC.2ACI/3109 Message Board Post: seeking info re william pitman b: 8 aug 1832 trowbridge wilt his father william pitman b:1799 trowbridge wilt. emma angel b: 1798 trowbridge wilt married william pitman same place

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