Ann A Susan ROSE aged 15 b. Norton St Philip, Somerset was a house servant in Norton St Philip in 1851. That is the only Susan ROSE b. 1840+/-5 b. "Norton" that I can find. I haven't searched for any variations. I'd suggest you try an Ancestry free trial and look through the 1841 census to find her and her family. Anne Anndriscoll@aol.com wrote: > Hi list, Please would SKS be kind enough to look on either the 1841 or 51 > censuses for a family of ROSE which should include a Susan born c 1840. \i > believe she was born in Norton St.Philips, but this is all the information I > have for her at present. > Many thanks > Ann

My grateful thanks to Patricia, Susan and Derek for such a prompt reply, I have visited the link supplied by Derek and both villages are on the list of missing books for 1841. Thank goodness the parish records have been filmed by LDS, my next port of call. Thanks again Carolyn NZ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006

Both images received with grateful thanks Ann In a message dated 18/08/2006 10:32:28 GMT Standard Time, RobLMilner@aol.com writes: In a message dated 18/08/2006 08:16:00 GMT Daylight Time, Anndriscoll@aol.com writes: Hi list, Please would SKS be kind enough to look on either the 1841 or 51 censuses for a family of ROSE which should include a Susan born c 1840. \i believe she was born in Norton St.Philips, but this is all the information I have for her at present. **************** Found and sent images from 1841 and 1851 off list. Robin ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== Please keep messages to the list on topic. No off-topic subjects, announcements, or the like without prior permission from the administrator (ENG-WILTSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com). ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

In a message dated 18/08/2006 08:16:00 GMT Daylight Time, Anndriscoll@aol.com writes: Hi list, Please would SKS be kind enough to look on either the 1841 or 51 censuses for a family of ROSE which should include a Susan born c 1840. \i believe she was born in Norton St.Philips, but this is all the information I have for her at present. **************** Found and sent images from 1841 and 1851 off list. Robin

Ok Anne, many thanks for the information, I will do as you suggest. take care Ann Ann A Susan ROSE aged 15 b. Norton St Philip, Somerset was a house servant in Norton St Philip in 1851. That is the only Susan ROSE b. 1840+/-5 b. "Norton" that I can find. I haven't searched for any variations. I'd suggest you try an Ancestry free trial and look through the 1841 census to find her and her family. Anne Anndriscoll@aol.com wrote: > Hi list, Please would SKS be kind enough to look on either the 1841 or 51 > censuses for a family of ROSE which should include a Susan born c 1840. \i > believe she was born in Norton St.Philips, but this is all the information I > have for her at present. > Many thanks > Ann ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== Use the link within a GATEWAYED message to reply. Message board users are rarely subscribed to the list. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi list, Please would SKS be kind enough to look on either the 1841 or 51 censuses for a family of ROSE which should include a Susan born c 1840. \i believe she was born in Norton St.Philips, but this is all the information I have for her at present. Many thanks Ann

Hi Carolyn. It may be that the 1841 for these villages does not survive as they do not show up on Origins version either. Neither do Castle Combe, North Wraxall, Acton Turville etc. seem to be there. Not what you wanted to hear but may be why you don't see them anywhere. If there are other sources there may be people on the list who can help identify where they are kept. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. > Hi Listers, > > I am new to your list and seeking my husband’s ISAAC(s) and CLARK(e) > families. I have them on the 1851 and all other census as after that they > moved to Ilston, Wales. > > I have tried everything I can think of for the 1841, but Nettleton and W > Kington do not show up, could they have been in another county at this > time? > If I could just find both villages, I would happily ‘knock on every door’ > as > I do have Ancestry. > > In case anyone has time to look for me they are as follows: > > Jeremiah ISAAC bn abt 1779 W Kington, Shoemaker, his son Henry ISAAC bn > 1826 > W Kington also a Shoemaker. > > In Dec Q 1847 at Bath, Henry married Maria CLARK bn Nettleton 1824. > > Maria had a sister Mary bn 1830, their parents were John CLARK (Yeoman > then > Publican) and his wife Anne Maria. > > In 1851 Henry and Maria ISAAC and family are living at Burton Hill, > Nettleton. > > > > Thanks for any help you are able of offer. > > Carolyn in NZ. > >

Hi Listers, I am new to your list and seeking my husband’s ISAAC(s) and CLARK(e) families. I have them on the 1851 and all other census as after that they moved to Ilston, Wales. I have tried everything I can think of for the 1841, but Nettleton and W Kington do not show up, could they have been in another county at this time? If I could just find both villages, I would happily ‘knock on every door’ as I do have Ancestry. In case anyone has time to look for me they are as follows: Jeremiah ISAAC bn abt 1779 W Kington, Shoemaker, his son Henry ISAAC bn 1826 W Kington also a Shoemaker. In Dec Q 1847 at Bath, Henry married Maria CLARK bn Nettleton 1824. Maria had a sister Mary bn 1830, their parents were John CLARK (Yeoman then Publican) and his wife Anne Maria. In 1851 Henry and Maria ISAAC and family are living at Burton Hill, Nettleton. Thanks for any help you are able of offer. Carolyn in NZ. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006

It seems that the enumerator books for Nettleton and West Kington in 1841 are indeed missing - see the following Wilts Record Office link: http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/getfaq.php?id=37 Derek Woodman ----- Original Message ----- From: "susan morris" <susan.v.morris@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-WILTSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 17 August 2006 12:19 Subject: Re: [ENG-WIL] 1841 Nettleton & W Kington > Nettleton is very close to the Wiltshire and Gloucestershire boundary. > > There are only two Jeremiah Isaacs listed. A 45 year old in Acton Turville, > which is in Gloucestershire, just a few miles from Nettleton, and 10 year old > in High Acton, Gloucestershire. > > I've tried all sorts of combinations for the Clark family, in and out of > Wiltshire county, but I can't see them. > > I think Patsy might be right and the 1841 census for the Nettleton and West > Kington area may be missing. > > Susan > > >

Nettleton is very close to the Wiltshire and Gloucestershire boundary. There are only two Jeremiah Isaacs listed. A 45 year old in Acton Turville, which is in Gloucestershire, just a few miles from Nettleton, and 10 year old in High Acton, Gloucestershire. I've tried all sorts of combinations for the Clark family, in and out of Wiltshire county, but I can't see them. I think Patsy might be right and the 1841 census for the Nettleton and West Kington area may be missing. Susan Patricia O'Shea <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> wrote: Hi Carolyn. It may be that the 1841 for these villages does not survive as they do not show up on Origins version either. Neither do Castle Combe, North Wraxall, Acton Turville etc. seem to be there. Not what you wanted to hear but may be why you don't see them anywhere. If there are other sources there may be people on the list who can help identify where they are kept. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. > Hi Listers, > > I am new to your list and seeking my husband’s ISAAC(s) and CLARK(e) > families. I have them on the 1851 and all other census as after that they > moved to Ilston, Wales. > > I have tried everything I can think of for the 1841, but Nettleton and W > Kington do not show up, could they have been in another county at this > time? > If I could just find both villages, I would happily ‘knock on every door’ > as > I do have Ancestry. > > In case anyone has time to look for me they are as follows: > > Jeremiah ISAAC bn abt 1779 W Kington, Shoemaker, his son Henry ISAAC bn > 1826 > W Kington also a Shoemaker. > > In Dec Q 1847 at Bath, Henry married Maria CLARK bn Nettleton 1824. > > Maria had a sister Mary bn 1830, their parents were John CLARK (Yeoman > then > Publican) and his wife Anne Maria. > > In 1851 Henry and Maria ISAAC and family are living at Burton Hill, > Nettleton. > > > > Thanks for any help you are able of offer. > > Carolyn in NZ. > > ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== Virus information: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/announce.html#virus Mailing lists: http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail_country-unk.html or http://www.genuki.org.uk/indexes/MailingLists.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: VALLIS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/EUC.2ACI/3171.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Dorothy Thanks for replying. Alhough VALLIS is the 'accepted' name I have found also VALIS, VALLES, WALLIS, VAILS, VILLIS, FALIS, FALLIS, VILLICE, VALLICE (note that often when found they are often a transcription error - also i know there are many many WALLIS which are NOT related). Never VATERS to my knowledge! The VILLIS branch is specifically originating from the Somerset levels (marshlands) and could be transmutation based on local 'broad' accents... In records they are written as mostly VILLIS but VALLIS and VILLIS start to be interchangeable even in the same family outside of the core VILLIS area.... earliest VILLIS names I have found are 1600's in Stogursey, Somerset. There are also a lot of VALLAS families- mostly early to mid-1700's based in London, small (old) port of Ditcheat in Somerset and around Portsmouth UK according to IGI and other records. Definitely some of them are Hugenouts. I suspect that they may all be local derivatives of VALLIS. I have found an early VALLIS family member recorded in Warminster, Wiltshire in the 1550's - and certainly if one looks at all the VALLIS names recorded over some centuries it is definitely centered within a 50 miles radius of the two prime shire border towns of Frome(Somerset) & Warminster (Wiltshire) - as both of these where important centres of the wool trade in the 1650-1800 and in the industrialisation of the late 1700/early 1800 the VALLIS families appeared to migrate based on economic necessities at the time - many migrating to London, Birmingham etc. or emigrating overseas (i.e NFL, NB, NZ, AU etc.). NFL is a slight exception - as this clearly was a 'business venture' by some quaker Vallis families in Poole, Dorsetshire. There is however a strong concentration of VALLIS based around Headingon Quarry, nr Oxford from as early as the 1720's - clearly as masons and other labourers for the building of university colleges etc. @ Oxford. Some of the earlier Somerset Vallis families where experienced stonemasons - and I suspect they followed their trade. Many of the other VALLIS families can be followed along the building of the canals and then railways, probably as labourers if they where not already engaged as agricultural workhorses.....and then in the Victorian era as servants. I did find an early female VALLIS family member who lived in S. Wales...and whose marriage took me all the way back to mid 1100's in the mid-Welsh/English border region - with a direct connection to a early Princess of Wales ( NOT Diana!!) around 1200. Unfortunately I lost the file with all the carefully researched genealogy notes (not by me i hasten to add!). Long answer to a short question Dorothy - but I thought I would share the info I have found on the Vallis families so far.... Regards - HiFly

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Woodman, Hellard, Harding, Harvey, Gale, Burbidge, Merrett, Richards, Cundick and Bulgin. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/EUC.2ACI/3171.2 Message Board Post: Hi Chris Frank Vallis Your migratory paths may lead you to Monkton Combe Near Bath on the Somerset / Wiltshire border. I can recall in the late 1940's a certain Frank Vallis who was a special (feared) constable who lived in the village. Enough said! I hope that this is not regared as advertising, but if you go to the monktoncombe.com web site and check out the page 2 photos - number 8 the press article, his name is there and the two ugly sisters at number 12. The really ugly sister on the right if fearfull Frank. My Father is on the left. I have many other pictures also - Please contact me off list if this is of interest. Good luck on your quest. Jim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/EUC.2ACI/3171.1 Message Board Post: I Hi Chirs, is it actually VALLIS you are seeking? Is the name VATERS in your search at all? Thanks, Dorothy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: VALLIS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/EUC.2ACI/3171 Message Board Post: If anyone has any Vallis family connections..would be grateful if you could get in touch...as I'm researching all of these families in Somerset and Wiltshire, their migration patterns in the 1700 & 1800's and any possible interconnections between the different families. Thanks in advance....HiFly PS I might already have some info that may be useful to you in your research too.

Thanks to all that have replied so far, no connection as yet, I'll keep looking. Lawrence

Thanks! Say, did that guy ever call you about the wind-surfer? If not, I'll re-list it. D -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com [mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of northcott45@shaw.ca Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:01 PM To: ENG-WILTSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WIL] Muspratt in Ludgershall This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Muspratt Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EUC.2ACI/3162 Message Board Post: I have a relation James Muspratt b 1844 in Ludgershall and believe his father was also born in the same village. Any information would be much appreciated. John. ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== Other subscribers are more likely to help you if you make it as easy as possible. Give us the information you have that will enable someone to do the lookup. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Many years ago I was looking at purchasing microfiche Census records I could have had the lot for 20,000 pounds!!! Later tho I think they were selling of in batches eg county sets. I dont know about GRO indexes but as most of the Family History Ctres at LDS churches seem to have complete sets they must be available. If you have an LDS Library close by it might be worth asking them how to go about buying the indexes in which you are interested. Just an idea regards daphne of Papatoetoe NZ daphne.guthrie@xtra.co.nz Researching areas: Medway, Kent;Wiltshire;Hampshire:Dorset; Sussex;Essex & Norfolk England. Fyfe Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Firebird" <familyhunter@cockneysparrer.plus.com> To: <ENG-WILTSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WIL] Purchasing records > Rob wrote: > >> Have finally found access to a micro fiche reader close by. I wish >> to purchase records of BMD from 1837 onwards. Not the indexes as I >> have too many wandering ancestors with common names and have to >> link them to parents or towns etc to find out if they are the right >> ones. How do you order these records and do they go by district, >> years or what. Also could someone provide me with a link to get >> them as I have searched the web and can't seem to find what I want. > > If you mean the certificates then you can only buy them individually from > the GRO at a cost of 7GBP each. You can't buy them any other way. > > http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ > http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ > > Alternatively you could wait until the DoVE project is up and running, > which should be sometime next year if they are running to schedule. This > will give the mother's maiden name from 1837 onwards, spouse's surname > from 1837 onwards and age at death from 1837 onwards. > > <http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/aboutus/lookingahead/Digitisation_of_Vital_Events.asp> > > > If you mean the parish registers then you would need to contact either the > Wiltshire Record Office and/or Wilthsire Family History Society to see if > they have any registers filmed/transcribed and available on either miche > or CD > >> Can someone also tell me why sooo many people died so young in the >> mid 1800's as I didn't seem to find this while researching my >> fathers pioneer ancestors in Canada. > > Part of the answer to that will depend on where your ancestors were and > what their occupations were. The Industrial Revolution probably had > something to do with it as well. > > > ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Limit signature lines to four lines or less. DO NOT include all surnames > that you are researching -- they are a waste of space and make searching > the archives frustrating and pointless. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hello Lawrence and List I cannot add anything regarding Samuel. However I also have a BRACHER ancestor. I am descended from Sophia BRACHER (1740-1818) who married John HASKELL (1735-1801) at Frome SOM in 1766. John was a blacksmith and the couple lived in Horningsham WIL. Sophia may have been born in Salisbury. Cheers Chris Farrington Auckland New Zealand

Hello Phyllis As far as I know BURTON of the New Forest, Hampshire. I have Ann BURTON marrying James MOORE at Boldre, Hants in 1834. Ann came from Brockenhurst. She was my husband's gg grandmother. Mary Haskell, Slough, Berkshire Researching: HASKELL; WHITEAR Hampshire & Wiltshire CHIVERS,KNIGHT,KNELLER, BRICE; MORRIS; HOLDER; WHITE, PARKER; BELL; MOORE, BURTON; WITT; PERN; MOUNTAINE; COLE Hampshire WILSON, Surrey; BROWN Hants/Wilts, MATTINGLEY, Berks CARR Middlesex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Steel" <steeps85@tpg.com.au> To: <ENG-WILTSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-WIL] Re: BRACHER (new lister) > Mary What BURTON lineage are you researching? > > Phyllis Bartlett Steel > from Qld Aust > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Haskell" <dh014a7479@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <ENG-WILTSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:37 AM > Subject: [ENG-WIL] Re: BRACHER (new lister) > > >> Hello Lawrence >> >> I have JANE BRACHER marrying James Haskell, watchmaker of Salisbury on > 13th >> August 1840. She was born 8th April 1812 and died June qrt 1897. >> Another >> BRACHER in my records is Rueben. Any help? My husband's gg grandfather > was >> William, James elder brother. >> >> Mary Haskell, Slough, Berkshire >> Researching: >> HASKELL; WHITEAR Hampshire & Wiltshire >> CHIVERS,KNIGHT,KNELLER, BRICE; MORRIS; HOLDER; WHITE, PARKER; BELL; >> MOORE, BURTON; >> WITT; PERN; MOUNTAINE; COLE Hampshire >> WILSON, Surrey; >> BROWN Hants/Wilts, >> MATTINGLEY, Berks >> CARR Middlesex >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lawrence Ollier" <lorenzo.9@talk21.com> >> To: <ENG-WILTSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 3:04 PM >> Subject: BRACHER (new lister) >> >> >> > Hi there, I am new to the list, trying to get something (parents or >> > anything) on a Samuel BRACHER, what I have so far is thus: >> > >> > Samuel BRACHER buried at Fovant in 1831 aged 63 years. >> > >> > Last known residence of his descendants "The Manor House" Fovant >> > >> > Samuel was married to Elizabeth SHARPE she died btw 1803 & 1808 and was >> > buried at Tisbury. >> > >> > Samuel might have had a sister or sister in law Mary BRACHER & a >> > brother >> > William BRACHER. >> > >> > Known children of Samuel & Elizabeth were Daniel BRACHER 1798-1844. >> > >> > Charles Sharpe BRACHER 1801-1866 Married Mary MARSH. >> > >> > Herbert BRACHER (possibly) 1802-1838. >> > >> > Sarah BRACHER 1804- Married John Harding HAYDEN. >> > >> > Samuel was a farmer. >> > >> > Other names ascotiated with Samuel are: >> > >> > WATERS (Durnford) >> > LOCKE (Wylye) >> > COLLIER (posibly) Wylye-London ? >> > TROUTBECK (Fovant) >> > OLLYER (Sherfield & Fovant) >> > >> > I was born in Cheshire but there is a Cheshire connection to Samuel's > wife >> > Elizabeth SHARPE. >> > >> > Samuel was mentioned a lot in a will I have along with a John NICHOLSON > of >> > Basford (Barford? St. Martin. >> > >> > Some of the connected LOCKE family are buried at the Church at Wylye. >> > >> > I have only a limited geographical knowledge of Wiltshire! so please >> > excuse. >> > >> > Any leads at all would be very much appreiciated I have most of the > stuff >> > from the "Fovant" website already. >> > >> > Many thanks. >> > >> > Lawrence OLLIER >> > >> > ______________________________ >> >> >> >> >> ==== ENG-WILTSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Other subscribers are more likely to help you if you make it as easy as >> possible. Give us the information you have that will enable >> someone to do the lookup. >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 11/08/06 >> >> > > ______________________________

Hi - Previous advice from the lister's has opened my eyes and helped me move forward and up the steep learning curve. I am working on the James Hellard b.1803 family from Ashbrittle in Devon who settled at South Wraxall, near Bradford, Wilts. I seem to have gone as far as I can? I've now checked out John Hellard b. c1799 from Ashbrittle, Christened there on 25/11/1798, son of William Hellard and Mary ?. I can see that James was on 19/10/1830 Wiltshire Qtr Sessions Calendars (Devizes Old Prison)? That John on 18/10/1831, 03/02/1832 and 17/10/1843 Wiltshire Qtr Session Calendars - "Parish South Wraxall" for the first 2 and Newton Toney for the third. (what ever that may mean)?. I notice that on the 1851 census children Anne and Walter where born at South Wraxall but John is recorded as a Farmer at Ramsbury and Newton Toney on subsequent censuses. It would be nice to prove they were brothers. I could then link both families together. Is there a piece of information out there I should find? TIA Jim North Les Arcs France