Hi Leonie Thanks for your input-we are already in direct communication with the connected Messam Family and i will be getting back to you direct re the Osman side of things I also think John baptised to William on 1st August 1715 and died 1794 was another brother to William James and Robert So whovever the parents of Richard OSMAN 1738 were he would then still have the same Osman Grand-Parents This John i have married to Martha ARMAN [d of Richard ARMAN and Jane] on 27 Oct 1737 at Chiseldon and Richard was Bap 15 Mar 1738--if this Richard is not his it would then appear his first child was Jane some 3/4 years after the marriage-which is not so very likely Also i think Richard could have been named after his Wifes Father and Jane after his Wifes Mother Looking at various old Handwriting Osman and Arman can look very similar-is this another alias like Wooseman? As i say i am new to this Family and would welcome any further thoughts.I was hoping someone might have access to the original records which could provide the correct answer > Hi Listers > * > I have recently started on a Family tree for the Osmans of Chiseldon > > A Richard Osman was baptized on 15 Mar 1738/9 at Chiseldon > > I have seen his birth accredited to > > John OSMAN [b1715-1794] & Martha ARMAN [b 1713-1797] and to William OSMAN > [b 1704-1788] & Elizabeth WEBB [b 1703-1780] > > I have referred to the Wiltshire FHS Transcription Disc and find > > 1738/9 Mar 15 Oseman Richard s John & Martha @ Chiseldon > 1738/9 Mar 15 Oseman Richard s William & Elizabeth @ Chiseldon > > Does anyone know which is correct please-* > > ------------------------------- > > -- Cheers-Stanley

I wonder if anyone has any knowledge of the family of John ORAM (ORUM) of Garsdon who married Elizabeth SPACKMAN of Cleverton at Garsdon on 3 January 1707/8? In one record, it is stated that the bride was a spinster, while the other states that she was a widow. I would be interested to know her origins in Cleverton. Many thanks,Richard Vancouver _________________________________________________________________

Hi Liz, I have had a quick look around, it is not in Bradford on Avon its in a village near called Limpley Stoke and was called either Bath or Limpley Stoke Reformatory School for girls. It was Certified on the 11 Jan 1861 and an outbreak of Diphtheria in Autumn 1895 precipitated its closure. I have had a look on a 1900 map and its not there as a School. It was the Dower House and is now the Manor House and it was used as a Reformatory school for delinquent girls under the age of 15 years between 1861 and 1895, your Sarah must have been there at least 3 years, It also brought up a question in the Houses of Parliament as if the education there was improving. A reformatory school was for young offenders to reform their way, I do not know if this was ever successful. I have found two candidates for her in the 1871 census a Sarah Lodge who was born in 1863 in Bilston Staffordshire or a Sarah Laight who was born 1863 in Worcester. Do you have any more on this girl as the name of Sarah Lates is not on any census returns except the 1881 one, Hope this helps Rob Kenchington _________________________________________________________________ X Factor: latest video, features and more. Click here! http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454063/direct/01/

Thank you so much. I bet the Sarah Laight is her, as many in family LATES are from B'ham area. I have even found it spelled Yates in some records, no doubt a victim of handwriting. I think I just found gr grandpa under Yates. He has been nowhere in records under Lates except for his marriage. Each tiny clue can help so I thank you again. Liz ************** Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)

Hi Listers I have recently started on a Family tree for the Osmans of Chiseldon A Richard Osman was baptized on 15 Mar 1738/9 at Chiseldon I have seen his birth accredited to John OSMAN [b1715-1794] & Martha ARMAN [b 1713-1797] and to William OSMAN [b 1704-1788] & Elizabeth WEBB [b 1703-1780] I have referred to the Wiltshire FHS Transcription Disc and find 1738/9 Mar 15 Oseman Richard s John & Martha @ Chiseldon 1738/9 Mar 15 Oseman Richard s William & Elizabeth @ Chiseldon Does anyone know which is correct please-

Can anyone tell me about this place, or where to look. Tried Google and archives, though perhaps not thoroughly. Do records exist? Why would a girl end up there? Interested in Sarah Lates who was there in 1881 census. Thanks for help. Liz in USA ************** Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics – check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001)

At 01:35 PM 19/10/2008 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Henk, All the baptism info on your WILTSHIREs came from the original >PRs by way of a transcription of them by the Wiltshire Family History >Society. The marriage of Robert and Eleanor, I find I can't prove at the >moment. I will try and find out though. >In Urchfont, there is no suitable baptism for Robert ( one was baptized >in 1744, would he have married at 11?). However in the PRs of Stert >which abuts Urchfont to the north there is this baptismal entry: >1715, Jul 24, WILTSHIER, Robert, s of Thomas & Susanna at Crooks Hill. >Would you like Johns' sisters and his children's info? Hi Terry, thanks for your answer and it is good to hear that Robert and Eleanor are the parents of John and so that gives me an other generation down the line. I have some Roberts born 1715-1725 and send those by private mail as can not send attachments to this list. Yes I would like very much info about John brothers and sisters and about his children Regards, Henk

Hi Henk, All the baptism info on your WILTSHIREs came from the original PRs by way of a transcription of them by the Wiltshire Family History Society. The marriage of Robert and Eleanor, I find I can't prove at the moment. I will try and find out though. In Urchfont, there is no suitable baptism for Robert ( one was baptized in 1744, would he have married at 11?). However in the PRs of Stert which abuts Urchfont to the north there is this baptismal entry: 1715, Jul 24, WILTSHIER, Robert, s of Thomas & Susanna at Crooks Hill. Would you like Johns' sisters and his children's info? Henk Stroet wrote: > Hallo Terry > thanks for your speedy answer and it looks I'm on the right track but have > you any proof that John is the right person. > I do believe you but I been many times let on the garden path to nowhere. > If he is the right person then I will be looking > for the Parents of Robert. I have dozens of names of people baptized or > married around 1650 - 1750 but no mention of > the parents of Robert. Can you help? > Regards, Henk > > At 12:50 AM 18/10/2008 +0100, you wrote: > >> Hallo Henk, I have John WILTSHIRE and Mary YATES in my FERRIS tree. >> Can't give you a birthday but he was bap. in Urchfont, 15 Feb 1755 so >> seems to be the one you mention. His parents were Robert WILTSHIRE & >> Eleanor RUDDLE (my connection). They were married in Urchfont, 10 Apr >> 1748. He was the only boy of 7 children. >> >>

Hi Betty I see that you are also researching Hopkins and Hathaway from Gloucestershire. I suspect that theses families will be the same ones that I am researching and so would love to hear from you. My email address is [email protected] Regards Alan Isaac -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Betty Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:28 AM To: "Judith Gibbons"; [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] GIBBONS, WATSON, FREETH, TAYLOR, HUDD and others G'day Judith, Very interested in the STEVENSON from that will which you mentioned. Would you please be able to elaborate for me? Kind regards, Betty Flood Sydney Australia [email protected] Looking for:- NORFOLK UK:- Billing/s, Blackling/Blacklog/Blackcloth, Boulton, Bush, Carmon, Flood, Howard, Minter/Minton, Orton, Vincent WILTSHIRE UK:- James Stevenson, White GLOUCESTERSHIRE UK:- Deines, Hathaway, Hopkins, Smith/Smyth, Workman HEREFORDSHIRE UK:- Hathaway, Jones, Webb, Workman MONMOUTHSHIRE - LLANDOGO SOUTH WALES: Barrow, Hathaway, Hopkins, Lewis, Reynolds BERKSHIRE UK:- McKenzie LONDON: McKenzie, Leggoe SUFFOLK UK:- Dammont, Goddard, Minter/Minter YORKSHIRE UK:- Leggoe, Turner LANCASHIRE UK:- Edgar, Joslin DUBLIN IRELAND:- Flood, Ryan TULLAMORE IRELAND:- Bohen/Bohan GLASGOW SCOTLAND: Ferguson, Nielson, Russell SWEDEN: Douzette, Ramberg AUSTRALIA: McMillan, Taylor and all of the above ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Judith Gibbons"" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] GIBBONS, WATSON, FREETH, TAYLOR, HUDD and others > Here's an update to the list of names I'm researching in Wiltshire. Please > note that this email address will expire this week - please send all email > to familyhistory [ A T ] gimaju [ D O T ] net from now on! > > GIBBONS: Gastard, Corsham, and Lacock, Wilts, 1900s and before > > TAYLOR: Gastard, Corsham, Wilts, prior to 1850 > WATSON, FREETH: Whitley, Melksham, Wilts, 1850s and before > HUDD: Calne, before 1830 > LITTLE: Corsham, c.1900 > > Names from a TAYLOR will in 1840: BEAMES, DUNSDON, SALWAY, STOCKHAM, > LAWRENCE, TINSON, FREETH > Names from a HUDD will in 1824: WILLIS, STEVENSON, WALKER, LITTLE, CUE, > GABY, ADAMS, PEARCE > Names from a NEEDELL will in 1747: KNYPE, GAUNTLETT, FLINGER in Semley. > > Regards, > Judith Gibbons > Coventry, UK > familyhistory [ A T ] gimaju [ D O T ] net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 10/12/2008 12:00 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hallo Terry thanks for your speedy answer and it looks I'm on the right track but have you any proof that John is the right person. I do believe you but I been many times let on the garden path to nowhere. If he is the right person then I will be looking for the Parents of Robert. I have dozens of names of people baptized or married around 1650 - 1750 but no mention of the parents of Robert. Can you help? Regards, Henk At 12:50 AM 18/10/2008 +0100, you wrote: >Hallo Henk, I have John WILTSHIRE and Mary YATES in my FERRIS tree. >Can't give you a birthday but he was bap. in Urchfont, 15 Feb 1755 so >seems to be the one you mention. His parents were Robert WILTSHIRE & >Eleanor RUDDLE (my connection). They were married in Urchfont, 10 Apr >1748. He was the only boy of 7 children. > >Henk Stroet wrote: > > Hi All > > Again I need some help. John Wiltshire married on 01-10-1780 with > Mary > > Yates in Urchfont, Wiltshire. I'm trying to find his parents. > I think he was borne > > between 1750 and 1760 most likely around 1755. Is there S.K.S who can > help me? > > I know there is a John Wiltshire bapt. on 15-02-1755 in Urchfont but > is that the > > same one? > > Regards, > > Henk Stroet, Wyndham-Vale, Vic. Australia > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1731 - Release Date: 17/10/2008 >7:01 PM

Hi Judy, thanks very much for aspeedy answer but I have not any sibling of him, that is why it is hard to find if the John bapt. 1755 is the right person. I think he is but we must have proof. The only proof is in parish record of Urchfont but they are not online. Therefore my call for help Regards, Henk At 03:39 AM 17/10/2008 -0700, you wrote: >Henk, > >Do you know any of his siblings names? That might help. There are >several siblings to the John Bapt. 1755, > >Judy > > > >In a message dated 10/17/08 02:42:30 Pacific Daylight Time, >[email protected] writes: > Hi All > Again I need some help. John Wiltshire married on 01-10-1780 with Mary >Yates in Urchfont, Wiltshire. I'm trying to find his > parents. I think he was borne between 1750 and 1760 most likely >around 1755. Is there S.K.S who can help me? I know there > is a John Wiltshire bapt. on 15-02-1755 in Urchfont but is that the >same one? > Regards, > Henk Stroet, Wyndham-Vale, Vic. Australia > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1731 - Release Date: 17/10/2008 >7:01 PM

Hi re previous message i missed the following John WILTSHIRE baptisms 26 Jul 1662 John Wiltshier son of Thomas 28 Feb 1692 John Wilshere son of John 23 Mar 1729 John Wilshire son of John and Joan 2008/10/18 Stanley Robert Archer <[email protected]> > Hi > The only John Wiltshires baptised in Urchfont per the Wiltshire FHS > Transcriptions are as follows > > 1698 AUG 7 WILTSHIRE JOHN S > THOMAS > URCHFONT > > 1755 FEB 15 WILTSHIRE JOHN S ROBERT & > ELEANOR URCHFONT > > 1798 JUL 19 WILTSHIRE JOHN S JNO & MARY > 1YR URCHFONT > > 1807 OCT 19 WILTSHIRE JOHN S ROBERT & > MARY URCHFONT > > > 1824 JUN 13 WILTSHIRE JOHN S ISAAC & > ELIZABETH LAB WEDHAMPTON > > I can see no trace of Robert WILTSHIRE father of John Wiltshire 1755 being > baptised in Urchfont-having looked through the various spelling variations > > John Wiltshire b 1755 had several siblings > > 2008/10/18 Henk Stroet <[email protected]> > > > > -- Cheers-Stanley

Hi The only John Wiltshires baptised in Urchfont per the Wiltshire FHS Transcriptions are as follows 1698 AUG 7 WILTSHIRE JOHN S THOMAS URCHFONT 1755 FEB 15 WILTSHIRE JOHN S ROBERT & ELEANOR URCHFONT 1798 JUL 19 WILTSHIRE JOHN S JNO & MARY 1YR URCHFONT 1807 OCT 19 WILTSHIRE JOHN S ROBERT & MARY URCHFONT 1824 JUN 13 WILTSHIRE JOHN S ISAAC & ELIZABETH LAB WEDHAMPTON I can see no trace of Robert WILTSHIRE father of John Wiltshire 1755 being baptised in Urchfont-having looked through the various spelling variations John Wiltshire b 1755 had several siblings 2008/10/18 Henk Stroet <[email protected]> > Hallo Terry > thanks for your speedy answer and it looks I'm on the right track but have > you any proof that John is the right person. > I do believe you but I been many times let on the garden path to nowhere. > If he is the right person then I will be looking > for the Parents of Robert. I have dozens of names of people baptized or > married around 1650 - 1750 but no mention of > the parents of Robert. Can you help? > Regards, Henk > > At 12:50 AM 18/10/2008 +0100, you wrote: > >Hallo Henk, I have John WILTSHIRE and Mary YATES in my FERRIS tree. > >Can't give you a birthday but he was bap. in Urchfont, 15 Feb 1755 so > >seems to be the one you mention. His parents were Robert WILTSHIRE & > >Eleanor RUDDLE (my connection). They were married in Urchfont, 10 Apr > >1748. He was the only boy of 7 children. > > > >Henk Stroet wrote: > > > Hi All > > > Again I need some help. John Wiltshire married on 01-10-1780 with > > Mary > > > Yates in Urchfont, Wiltshire. I'm trying to find his parents. > > I think he was borne > > > between 1750 and 1760 most likely around 1755. Is there S.K.S who can > > help me? > > > I know there is a John Wiltshire bapt. on 15-02-1755 in Urchfont but > > is that the > > > same one? > > > Regards, > > > Henk Stroet, Wyndham-Vale, Vic. Australia > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > >Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1731 - Release Date: 17/10/2008 > >7:01 PM > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Cheers-Stanley

Hi Listers Having another search for my lost ancestors. Looking for the HERBERT family from Castle Eaton. Thomas HERBERT bap Dec 1789 in Castle Eaton I am particularly interested in the note on the IGI (from submitters information) that he died 6 APr 1814. Has anyone death or burial information for that time that could check for me please. His wife was Rachel nee Bailey. many thanks from downunder Patsy

Hallo Henk, I have John WILTSHIRE and Mary YATES in my FERRIS tree. Can't give you a birthday but he was bap. in Urchfont, 15 Feb 1755 so seems to be the one you mention. His parents were Robert WILTSHIRE & Eleanor RUDDLE (my connection). They were married in Urchfont, 10 Apr 1748. He was the only boy of 7 children. Henk Stroet wrote: > Hi All > Again I need some help. John Wiltshire married on 01-10-1780 with Mary > Yates in Urchfont, Wiltshire. I'm trying to find his > parents. I think he was borne between 1750 and 1760 most likely > around 1755. Is there S.K.S who can help me? I know there > is a John Wiltshire bapt. on 15-02-1755 in Urchfont but is that the > same one? > Regards, > Henk Stroet, Wyndham-Vale, Vic. Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi All Again I need some help. John Wiltshire married on 01-10-1780 with Mary Yates in Urchfont, Wiltshire. I'm trying to find his parents. I think he was borne between 1750 and 1760 most likely around 1755. Is there S.K.S who can help me? I know there is a John Wiltshire bapt. on 15-02-1755 in Urchfont but is that the same one? Regards, Henk Stroet, Wyndham-Vale, Vic. Australia

Henk, Do you know any of his siblings names? That might help. There are several siblings to the John Bapt. 1755, Judy In a message dated 10/17/08 02:42:30 Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi All Again I need some help. John Wiltshire married on 01-10-1780 with Mary Yates in Urchfont, Wiltshire. I'm trying to find his parents. I think he was borne between 1750 and 1760 most likely around 1755. Is there S.K.S who can help me? I know there is a John Wiltshire bapt. on 15-02-1755 in Urchfont but is that the same one? Regards, Henk Stroet, Wyndham-Vale, Vic. Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day Judith, Very interested in the STEVENSON from that will which you mentioned. Would you please be able to elaborate for me? Kind regards, Betty Flood Sydney Australia [email protected] Looking for:- NORFOLK UK:- Billing/s, Blackling/Blacklog/Blackcloth, Boulton, Bush, Carmon, Flood, Howard, Minter/Minton, Orton, Vincent WILTSHIRE UK:- James Stevenson, White GLOUCESTERSHIRE UK:- Deines, Hathaway, Hopkins, Smith/Smyth, Workman HEREFORDSHIRE UK:- Hathaway, Jones, Webb, Workman MONMOUTHSHIRE - LLANDOGO SOUTH WALES: Barrow, Hathaway, Hopkins, Lewis, Reynolds BERKSHIRE UK:- McKenzie LONDON: McKenzie, Leggoe SUFFOLK UK:- Dammont, Goddard, Minter/Minter YORKSHIRE UK:- Leggoe, Turner LANCASHIRE UK:- Edgar, Joslin DUBLIN IRELAND:- Flood, Ryan TULLAMORE IRELAND:- Bohen/Bohan GLASGOW SCOTLAND: Ferguson, Nielson, Russell SWEDEN: Douzette, Ramberg AUSTRALIA: McMillan, Taylor and all of the above ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Judith Gibbons"" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] GIBBONS, WATSON, FREETH, TAYLOR, HUDD and others > Here's an update to the list of names I'm researching in Wiltshire. Please > note that this email address will expire this week - please send all email > to familyhistory [ A T ] gimaju [ D O T ] net from now on! > > GIBBONS: Gastard, Corsham, and Lacock, Wilts, 1900s and before > > TAYLOR: Gastard, Corsham, Wilts, prior to 1850 > WATSON, FREETH: Whitley, Melksham, Wilts, 1850s and before > HUDD: Calne, before 1830 > LITTLE: Corsham, c.1900 > > Names from a TAYLOR will in 1840: BEAMES, DUNSDON, SALWAY, STOCKHAM, > LAWRENCE, TINSON, FREETH > Names from a HUDD will in 1824: WILLIS, STEVENSON, WALKER, LITTLE, CUE, > GABY, ADAMS, PEARCE > Names from a NEEDELL will in 1747: KNYPE, GAUNTLETT, FLINGER in Semley. > > Regards, > Judith Gibbons > Coventry, UK > familyhistory [ A T ] gimaju [ D O T ] net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 10/12/2008 12:00 PM

Here's an update to the list of names I'm researching in Wiltshire. Please note that this email address will expire this week - please send all email to familyhistory [ A T ] gimaju [ D O T ] net from now on! GIBBONS: Gastard, Corsham, and Lacock, Wilts, 1900s and before TAYLOR: Gastard, Corsham, Wilts, prior to 1850 WATSON, FREETH: Whitley, Melksham, Wilts, 1850s and before HUDD: Calne, before 1830 LITTLE: Corsham, c.1900 Names from a TAYLOR will in 1840: BEAMES, DUNSDON, SALWAY, STOCKHAM, LAWRENCE, TINSON, FREETH Names from a HUDD will in 1824: WILLIS, STEVENSON, WALKER, LITTLE, CUE, GABY, ADAMS, PEARCE Names from a NEEDELL will in 1747: KNYPE, GAUNTLETT, FLINGER in Semley. Regards, Judith Gibbons Coventry, UK familyhistory [ A T ] gimaju [ D O T ] net

Cant find the web site I want for Wiltshire newspapers but stumbled across - http://www.bbc.co.uk/family history/ which has a Family Tree Message board which looks quite interesting.You can email these pages to yourself if you want. Tried putting in HATHERSALL in Google and just got a message did I mean Hothersall which I assume is a place name and not a surname. Tried William PIKE in A2a then realised it should be John so you might like to look at this. [email protected] From: "Mike" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] HATHERSALL > Is anyone able to tell me anything about Sarah HATHERSALL who married John > PIKE in Malmesbury on 19th April 1775. > > Thanks > > Mike in Whakatane NZ > >