Hazel, Just in case.... We have AMORs in and around Bruton/Pitcombe in Somerset. Do you know where your Henry was from? Hopefully, Liz At 23:32 03/01/2009, you wrote: >Hello >I am looking for anyone who may have a connection to a Charlotte >WATTS who married Henry AMOR in Pewsey on 28 May 1849. Charlotte is >possibly the daughter of John Watts & Elizabeth KING. I found John >and Elizabeth Watts living during the 1841 Census at Little Ann (can >anyone tell me where the place is). > >Other children on the 1841 Census are possibly John & Maurice. Also >on the same Census is a Robert WATTS married to an Elizabeth? I >blieve Robert maybe a child of John Watts and Elizabeth King. Anyone >who feels they may connect to this family I would like to hear from. Elizabeth Lane. Worthing, West Sussex. [email protected]

The Lists are burping again so expect some more coming up again and again. Eliz On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Val Burge <[email protected]> wrote: > My apologies for getting cranky with this - three emails just arrived, and > I've now noted they were dated 19th and 20th December... looks like they > were lost in a black hole for a while. > > I was ONLY cranky because I thought it was still being discussed weeks > later > and I apologise for not noting the dates. > > Val > >

Hazel, This is interesting as my William WATTS wife Susanna WATTS nee GEORGE died at the age of 32yrs in childbirth at BLACKWOOD, VICTORIA in 1857. I wonder if William went to TASMANIA sometime after Susanna's death? I can't find his death certificate or where he died. They had about five children at BLACKWOOD. I do believe he married again. Do you know anything about him? Where did you immigrate from? Leonie. Copeland Connections [email protected] "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of HAZEL WILEY Sent: Sunday, 4 January 2009 8:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES Hello Leone Its another Hazel, this time in Waipukurau, Hawkes Bay, NewZealand. I have a Willam Watts born in Ramsbury in 1811who married Mary Ann Alexander in Tasmania in 1860. Is this the same man that married Sussanna George?I am an Alexander descendant. I have lived in New Zealand since 1953 when my parents emigrated to New Zealand with my two older brothers and myself. Hazel Wiley nee Reed ----- Original Message ----- From: "L & B Copeland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES > Hi Hazel, > My William WATTS b abt 1811 was the son of Elizabeth WATTS no Father's > surname that I know of. I think he was born out of wedlock and took his > mothers surname of WATTS. William married Susanna Maria GEORGE in > RAMSBURY, > WILTSHIRE in 1842. Susanna was b 1825 in RAMSBURY, WILTSHIRE. They > migrated > to AUSTRALIA around 1850. Susanna died in childbirth in 1857. The other > surnames you mention do not connect to my WATTS. My other names in that > line > that I know of are GEORGE/PRESHER/VIVASH. > Leonie. > > Copeland Connections > [email protected] > "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that > matter." > - Martin Luther King, Jr. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of hazel magann > Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 4:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES > > Hi Leanie > This might be my William's uncle maybe as my mum now 85 years old told me > they came from outside Pewsey which is the registration area of the > baptism > of my William. Would you know anything more on your William or if any of > the > > other surnames fit your family. My Stagg family had a paddock in the > Savernack Forest I was very lucky as they appeared in a written work in > the > 1950 which I was sent a copy of and then on researching the settlement > papers I located them with the help of a minister. > > Another two areas that are possibilty's are Burbage and Milton Lilborne > where Eliza Faith, William's daughter ran in later years a public house > named the "Three Horseshoes" on the Milton Rd. Eliza had three marriages > 1st > > John Bristow Stagg, 2nd to Thomas Tucker, 3rd Alfred Gilford. > > Perhpas you have come across these details in you research one other > strange > > fact is William and Eliza Watts daughter bears the name Betsy Wells Watts. > > Hope you find a connection. > > Warm Regards > Hazel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L & B Copeland" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES > > >> Hi Hazel, >> I have a William WATTS too but he was born in RAMSBURY, WILTSHIRE around >> 1811.He had a son called William who could have been born around 1840's. >> There are sooooo many WATTS in WILTSHIRE. They bred like flies. >> Leonie Copeland. ( Vic, OZ ) >> >> Copeland Connections >> [email protected] >> "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that >> matter." >> - Martin Luther King, Jr. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of hazel magann >> Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 3:39 PM >> To: Wiltshire >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES >> >> >> Hi >> Hope you all had a lovely festive season. I am reposting my surnames with >> the hope someone may have come across a family connection as I do not >> have >> much from my gxgrandparents back. >> >> I know my ggxgrandfather was William WATTS born 14 Sept 1834 Pewsey, >> Wiltshire. His parents were John and Hannah WATTS I have not as yet >> located >> Hannha's surname. >> >> William married Eliza HEATH formerly WILD born circa 1841 I think I found >> the registration of her birth as 1841 in Pewsey on the Freebdm site have >> as >> yet to confirm by sending for a certificate. >> >> My other surnames are: BRISTOW-STAGG-FISHLOCK if anyone might be >> researching >> these surnames I would like to hear from you. >> >> Warm Regards >> Hazel in NSW >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 > 1:10 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I'm new to this list and am tring to help a friend. His Gt Grandmother, Sarah Ann/e LITTLE was born in1838 in Kington Langley. In 1856 she married Edwin NEAL/E in Kington St Michael. On every census after marriage they lived either in Lower or North Wraxall. On the 1891 and 1901 she was a widow and the post mistress in North Wraxall. Edwin died there Dec quarter 1887 aged 51 and Sarah Ann died Dec quarter 1908 in Cardiff whilst visiting her son Herbert. We have been unable to find a burial for her in Cardiff and wonder whether she would have been buried with her husband. At present we have not located a grave for him. If anyone can help we would be most grateful. Jeanette

Donna, The John Stagg who married Mary Rutt is an ancestor of mine. They had eight children between 1772 and 1788. I also have data on their ancestors for two generations back. The whole tree is available on Genes Reunited, if you have access to that. I only know what happened to three of the eight children, so would appreciate any data that you have. Max Lay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Gee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES STAGG (Rutt/Tucker/Lambell) > Joining this one late (missed the STAGG bit before, only read Subject line > and first couple of sentences) > > I also had Staggs in this area of Wiltshire (Milton > Lilbourne/Pewsey/Easton/Fyfield). Some of my names (father/son) are. > > John Stagg (c1720-) m Jane Burry > John Stagg (c1744-1839) m. Mary Rutt > John Stagg (c1778-1864) m Hester Tucker > John Stagg (c1802-<1841) m Rosannah ? > Thomas Stagg (1825-1871) m Julia Lambell - MOVED TO LONDON in 1840s > > Any connections? > > Donna > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of hazel magann > Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 4:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES > > Hi Leanie > This might be my William's uncle maybe as my mum now 85 years old told me > they came from outside Pewsey which is the registration area of the > baptism > of my William. Would you know anything more on your William or if any of > the > > other surnames fit your family. My Stagg family had a paddock in the > Savernack Forest I was very lucky as they appeared in a written work in > the > 1950 which I was sent a copy of and then on researching the settlement > papers I located them with the help of a minister. > > Another two areas that are possibilty's are Burbage and Milton Lilborne > where Eliza Faith, William's daughter ran in later years a public house > named the "Three Horseshoes" on the Milton Rd. Eliza had three marriages > 1st > > John Bristow Stagg, 2nd to Thomas Tucker, 3rd Alfred Gilford. > > Perhpas you have come across these details in you research one other > strange > > fact is William and Eliza Watts daughter bears the name Betsy Wells Watts. > > Hope you find a connection. > > Warm Regards > Hazel > > <snip> > >> Hi >> Hope you all had a lovely festive season. I am reposting my surnames with >> the hope someone may have come across a family connection as I do not >> have >> much from my gxgrandparents back. >> >> I know my ggxgrandfather was William WATTS born 14 Sept 1834 Pewsey, >> Wiltshire. His parents were John and Hannah WATTS I have not as yet >> located >> Hannha's surname. >> >> William married Eliza HEATH formerly WILD born circa 1841 I think I found >> the registration of her birth as 1841 in Pewsey on the Freebdm site have >> as >> yet to confirm by sending for a certificate. >> >> My other surnames are: BRISTOW-STAGG-FISHLOCK if anyone might be >> researching >> these surnames I would like to hear from you. >> >> Warm Regards >> Hazel in NSW > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am seeking to make contact with, and to share HULL family history notes, with any descendant or researcher of the family of my cousin, Frances Annie HULL, who was married to William Edwin KINGTON. Frances Annie HULL was born in Middlesex, London, about 1852. In Q2 of 1877, in Croydon district, (2a / 315), Frances Anna HULL married William Edwin KINGTON; William had been born in Grittleton, in the district of Chippenham, Wilts, in Q2 of 1852. For the 1881 census, William 28 and Frances 28 were living in Avenue House, Beggar’s Bush, Sunninghill, Berks, where William was a grocer, with children Edward W. 3, George 1 and Louisa 4 months; by the 1891 census, William was a grocer and wine merchant, living in the same place with his much larger family; by the 1901 census, William was a grocer, living at 211 Kings Road in Reading, Berks, with Frances and their three daughters. William and Frances had issue: a. Edward William KINGTON, born in Q1 of 1878 in Sunninghill, Berks; b. George KINGTON, born in Q3 of 1879 in Sunninghill, Berks; c. Louisa KINGTON, born in Q4 of 1880 in Sunninghill, Berks; d. Edwin KINGTON, born in Q1 of 1883 in Sunninghill, Berks; e. Reginald KINGTON, born in Q3 of 1886 in Sunninghill, Berks; f. Frances Mary KINGTON, born in Q4 of 1887 in Sunninghill, Berks; and g. Gertrude Ellen KINGTON, born in Q2 of 1890 in Sunninghill, Berks. I wish each of you a very Happy New Year, with plenty of successful searches for your family history. Best wishes. Peter Ferreira Toronto, Canada.

I am seeking to make contact, and to share LAWRENCE family history notes, with any descendant or researcher of George LAWRENCE / LAURENCE, who was a brother of a Lawrence ancestor of mine. George LAURENCE, junior, son of George and Anne Laurence, was probably born about 1696; there is no baptismal record for George junior in the PR of Hilmarton, Wilts. However, George junior, was named as a son in his father’s will. On March 7th., 1722, in Tockenham, Wilts, George LAWRENCE, yeoman of Hilmarton, married Anne HOPKINS, spinster of Hilmarton. George was a yeoman farmer in Penn, in the south of the parish of Hilmarton, Wilts. Ann was buried from Penn, in Hilmarton, on June 24th., 1752 and George junior on May 2nd., 1753. The will of George Laurence, yeoman of Hilmarton, was proved in 1753 and is available in the Wilts and Swindon History Centre. George junior and Ann had issue: a. William LAURENCE, baptized in Hilmarton on September 8th., 1722 and buried there on September 13th., 1722. b. John LAURENCE, baptized in Hilmarton on September 13th., 1723. John married, location and date unknown, Elizabeth and they lived in Penn in the parish of Hilmarton. John 80 was buried in Hilmarton on March 11th., 1805; an Elizabeth LAWRENCE (possibly this one) 91 was buried in Hilmarton, from Chippenham, on October 28th., 1820. John and Elizabeth had issue. c. Anne LAURENCE, baptized in Hilmarton on June 27th., 1726. d. Mary LAURENCE, baptized in Hilmarton on February 5th., 1730. On October 13th., 1751, in Tockenham church, a Mary LAWRENCE of Hilmarton, probably this one, married James BUTLER of Lyneham, Wilts. They lived in Lyneham, where they had issue. I wish each of you a very happy New Year, one with a lot of successful searches! Best wishes. Peter Ferreira Toronto, Canada.

Hello I am looking for anyone who may have a connection to a Charlotte WATTS who married Henry AMOR in Pewsey on 28 May 1849. Charlotte is possibly the daughter of John Watts & Elizabeth KING. I found John and Elizabeth Watts living during the 1841 Census at Little Ann (can anyone tell me where the place is). Other children on the 1841 Census are possibly John & Maurice. Also on the same Census is a Robert WATTS married to an Elizabeth? I blieve Robert maybe a child of John Watts and Elizabeth King. Anyone who feels they may connect to this family I would like to hear from. Warm Regards Hazel

Hello Leone Its another Hazel, this time in Waipukurau, Hawkes Bay, NewZealand. I have a Willam Watts born in Ramsbury in 1811who married Mary Ann Alexander in Tasmania in 1860. Is this the same man that married Sussanna George?I am an Alexander descendant. I have lived in New Zealand since 1953 when my parents emigrated to New Zealand with my two older brothers and myself. Hazel Wiley nee Reed ----- Original Message ----- From: "L & B Copeland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES > Hi Hazel, > My William WATTS b abt 1811 was the son of Elizabeth WATTS no Father's > surname that I know of. I think he was born out of wedlock and took his > mothers surname of WATTS. William married Susanna Maria GEORGE in > RAMSBURY, > WILTSHIRE in 1842. Susanna was b 1825 in RAMSBURY, WILTSHIRE. They > migrated > to AUSTRALIA around 1850. Susanna died in childbirth in 1857. The other > surnames you mention do not connect to my WATTS. My other names in that > line > that I know of are GEORGE/PRESHER/VIVASH. > Leonie. > > Copeland Connections > [email protected] > "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that > matter." > - Martin Luther King, Jr. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of hazel magann > Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 4:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES > > Hi Leanie > This might be my William's uncle maybe as my mum now 85 years old told me > they came from outside Pewsey which is the registration area of the > baptism > of my William. Would you know anything more on your William or if any of > the > > other surnames fit your family. My Stagg family had a paddock in the > Savernack Forest I was very lucky as they appeared in a written work in > the > 1950 which I was sent a copy of and then on researching the settlement > papers I located them with the help of a minister. > > Another two areas that are possibilty's are Burbage and Milton Lilborne > where Eliza Faith, William's daughter ran in later years a public house > named the "Three Horseshoes" on the Milton Rd. Eliza had three marriages > 1st > > John Bristow Stagg, 2nd to Thomas Tucker, 3rd Alfred Gilford. > > Perhpas you have come across these details in you research one other > strange > > fact is William and Eliza Watts daughter bears the name Betsy Wells Watts. > > Hope you find a connection. > > Warm Regards > Hazel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L & B Copeland" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES > > >> Hi Hazel, >> I have a William WATTS too but he was born in RAMSBURY, WILTSHIRE around >> 1811.He had a son called William who could have been born around 1840's. >> There are sooooo many WATTS in WILTSHIRE. They bred like flies. >> Leonie Copeland. ( Vic, OZ ) >> >> Copeland Connections >> [email protected] >> "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that >> matter." >> - Martin Luther King, Jr. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of hazel magann >> Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 3:39 PM >> To: Wiltshire >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES >> >> >> Hi >> Hope you all had a lovely festive season. I am reposting my surnames with >> the hope someone may have come across a family connection as I do not >> have >> much from my gxgrandparents back. >> >> I know my ggxgrandfather was William WATTS born 14 Sept 1834 Pewsey, >> Wiltshire. His parents were John and Hannah WATTS I have not as yet >> located >> Hannha's surname. >> >> William married Eliza HEATH formerly WILD born circa 1841 I think I found >> the registration of her birth as 1841 in Pewsey on the Freebdm site have >> as >> yet to confirm by sending for a certificate. >> >> My other surnames are: BRISTOW-STAGG-FISHLOCK if anyone might be >> researching >> these surnames I would like to hear from you. >> >> Warm Regards >> Hazel in NSW >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 > 1:10 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers and a happy new year. Please can we have *specific* surnames in the SUBJECT LINE as I have also missed useful information because the subject line used had little resemblance to some of the content of information or query. Only when I've searched or browsed the Wiltshire archives looking for something else, have I picked up some earlier information that had been deleted as *no interest*. It also helps in returning information to others who might benefit. For those of us who get MANY emails daily, the SUBJECT LINE is extremely important. Kind wishes Sandra Auckland New Zealand Joining this one late (missed the STAGG bit before, only read Subject line > and first couple of sentences) >>>snip>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Gee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>

Hi Hazel, My William WATTS b abt 1811 was the son of Elizabeth WATTS no Father's surname that I know of. I think he was born out of wedlock and took his mothers surname of WATTS. William married Susanna Maria GEORGE in RAMSBURY, WILTSHIRE in 1842. Susanna was b 1825 in RAMSBURY, WILTSHIRE. They migrated to AUSTRALIA around 1850. Susanna died in childbirth in 1857. The other surnames you mention do not connect to my WATTS. My other names in that line that I know of are GEORGE/PRESHER/VIVASH. Leonie. Copeland Connections [email protected] "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of hazel magann Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 4:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES Hi Leanie This might be my William's uncle maybe as my mum now 85 years old told me they came from outside Pewsey which is the registration area of the baptism of my William. Would you know anything more on your William or if any of the other surnames fit your family. My Stagg family had a paddock in the Savernack Forest I was very lucky as they appeared in a written work in the 1950 which I was sent a copy of and then on researching the settlement papers I located them with the help of a minister. Another two areas that are possibilty's are Burbage and Milton Lilborne where Eliza Faith, William's daughter ran in later years a public house named the "Three Horseshoes" on the Milton Rd. Eliza had three marriages 1st John Bristow Stagg, 2nd to Thomas Tucker, 3rd Alfred Gilford. Perhpas you have come across these details in you research one other strange fact is William and Eliza Watts daughter bears the name Betsy Wells Watts. Hope you find a connection. Warm Regards Hazel ----- Original Message ----- From: "L & B Copeland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES > Hi Hazel, > I have a William WATTS too but he was born in RAMSBURY, WILTSHIRE around > 1811.He had a son called William who could have been born around 1840's. > There are sooooo many WATTS in WILTSHIRE. They bred like flies. > Leonie Copeland. ( Vic, OZ ) > > Copeland Connections > [email protected] > "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that > matter." > - Martin Luther King, Jr. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of hazel magann > Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 3:39 PM > To: Wiltshire > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES > > > Hi > Hope you all had a lovely festive season. I am reposting my surnames with > the hope someone may have come across a family connection as I do not have > much from my gxgrandparents back. > > I know my ggxgrandfather was William WATTS born 14 Sept 1834 Pewsey, > Wiltshire. His parents were John and Hannah WATTS I have not as yet > located > Hannha's surname. > > William married Eliza HEATH formerly WILD born circa 1841 I think I found > the registration of her birth as 1841 in Pewsey on the Freebdm site have > as > yet to confirm by sending for a certificate. > > My other surnames are: BRISTOW-STAGG-FISHLOCK if anyone might be > researching > these surnames I would like to hear from you. > > Warm Regards > Hazel in NSW > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 1:10 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Leanie This might be my William's uncle maybe as my mum now 85 years old told me they came from outside Pewsey which is the registration area of the baptism of my William. Would you know anything more on your William or if any of the other surnames fit your family. My Stagg family had a paddock in the Savernack Forest I was very lucky as they appeared in a written work in the 1950 which I was sent a copy of and then on researching the settlement papers I located them with the help of a minister. Another two areas that are possibilty's are Burbage and Milton Lilborne where Eliza Faith, William's daughter ran in later years a public house named the "Three Horseshoes" on the Milton Rd. Eliza had three marriages 1st John Bristow Stagg, 2nd to Thomas Tucker, 3rd Alfred Gilford. Perhpas you have come across these details in you research one other strange fact is William and Eliza Watts daughter bears the name Betsy Wells Watts. Hope you find a connection. Warm Regards Hazel ----- Original Message ----- From: "L & B Copeland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES > Hi Hazel, > I have a William WATTS too but he was born in RAMSBURY, WILTSHIRE around > 1811.He had a son called William who could have been born around 1840's. > There are sooooo many WATTS in WILTSHIRE. They bred like flies. > Leonie Copeland. ( Vic, OZ ) > > Copeland Connections > [email protected] > "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that > matter." > - Martin Luther King, Jr. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of hazel magann > Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 3:39 PM > To: Wiltshire > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES > > > Hi > Hope you all had a lovely festive season. I am reposting my surnames with > the hope someone may have come across a family connection as I do not have > much from my gxgrandparents back. > > I know my ggxgrandfather was William WATTS born 14 Sept 1834 Pewsey, > Wiltshire. His parents were John and Hannah WATTS I have not as yet > located > Hannha's surname. > > William married Eliza HEATH formerly WILD born circa 1841 I think I found > the registration of her birth as 1841 in Pewsey on the Freebdm site have > as > yet to confirm by sending for a certificate. > > My other surnames are: BRISTOW-STAGG-FISHLOCK if anyone might be > researching > these surnames I would like to hear from you. > > Warm Regards > Hazel in NSW > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 1:10 PM

Hi Hazel, I have a William WATTS too but he was born in RAMSBURY, WILTSHIRE around 1811.He had a son called William who could have been born around 1840's. There are sooooo many WATTS in WILTSHIRE. They bred like flies. Leonie Copeland. ( Vic, OZ ) Copeland Connections [email protected] "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of hazel magann Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 3:39 PM To: Wiltshire Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] SURNAMES Hi Hope you all had a lovely festive season. I am reposting my surnames with the hope someone may have come across a family connection as I do not have much from my gxgrandparents back. I know my ggxgrandfather was William WATTS born 14 Sept 1834 Pewsey, Wiltshire. His parents were John and Hannah WATTS I have not as yet located Hannha's surname. William married Eliza HEATH formerly WILD born circa 1841 I think I found the registration of her birth as 1841 in Pewsey on the Freebdm site have as yet to confirm by sending for a certificate. My other surnames are: BRISTOW-STAGG-FISHLOCK if anyone might be researching these surnames I would like to hear from you. Warm Regards Hazel in NSW ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am seeking to make contact, and to share LAWRENCE family history notes, with any relation or researcher of the family of my cousin, Richard LAWRENCE. Richard LAWRENCE, son of James and Kezia LAWRENCE, yeoman of Hilmarton, Wilts, was baptized in Hilmarton on January 24th., 1821. Richard married Mary FERRIS in Christian Malford, Wilts, on October 27th., 1840 (I.G.I. submitted). At the 1841 census, Richard was living in the Duke of York Public House, Malmesbury, Wilts, with his wife Mary and daughter Mary; by the 1851 census, Richard 28 was a Police Constable in Wroughton, Wilts, living with Mary 30, Mary 11, Elizabeth 8, William 6 and Charles 2; in the 1861 census, Richard 39, railway labour, and Mary 40 were in Swindon, at Eascott Lane in York Place, with William 16, Charles 10? and Fanny 5; for the 1871 census, Richard 48 was a general servant, living at the Avonmouth Hotel in Westbury upon Trym, with Mary 49. Richard and Mary had issue: A] Mary Jane LAWRENCE, baptized in Hilmarton on December 13th., 1840; B] Elizabeth LAWRENCE, born about 1842 in Upton Scudamore, Wilts; C] William Henry LAWRENCE, baptized in Hilmarton on March 19th., 1845. At the 1861 census, William 16, boiler smith, lived with his parents in Swindon. William married Martha H. BETTY, on July 9th., 1867 in Neyland parish church in Pembroke - she had been born in Bath about 1848. In the 1881 census, his name was spelt Laurence; in Swindon for the 1891 census. William and Martha had issue. D] Charles James LAWRENCE, baptized on October 6th., 1849 in Wroughton, Wilts. At the 1861 census, Charles 10 was a railway labourer, living with his parents in Swindon. In 1887, in Hampshire, he married Elizabeth Helen HORN; Charles and Elizabeth lived in Exbury, Hants, and in Wilts. At the 1891 census, they were in Bradford, Wilts; by the 1901 census they were living in Bradford-upon-Avon. They had issue. E] Fanny LAWRENCE, born in Castle Eaton, Wilts, baptized on April 20th., 1851 in Wroughton, Wilts (I.G.I. submitted). Fanny 5, a scholar, was living in Swindon with her parents, for the census of 1861. Best wishes and a Happy New Year to each of you! Peter Ferreira Toronto, Canada.

Hi Hope you all had a lovely festive season. I am reposting my surnames with the hope someone may have come across a family connection as I do not have much from my gxgrandparents back. I know my ggxgrandfather was William WATTS born 14 Sept 1834 Pewsey, Wiltshire. His parents were John and Hannah WATTS I have not as yet located Hannha's surname. William married Eliza HEATH formerly WILD born circa 1841 I think I found the registration of her birth as 1841 in Pewsey on the Freebdm site have as yet to confirm by sending for a certificate. My other surnames are: BRISTOW-STAGG-FISHLOCK if anyone might be researching these surnames I would like to hear from you. Warm Regards Hazel in NSW

Id#: 0014149 Name: Barnes, David Date: May 13 1929 Source: Cemetery record; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #004. Notes: Barnes-David, age 76 years, husband of Mary Barnes and father of Alfred, David, Mrs. Annie B. Pike, Mrs. Alice Qualman, Mrs. Minnie Venning, at his late residence, 16157 Glynn Road. Services Tuesday, 2 p. m. Deceased was born in Malmesbury, Wiltshire, England. 1853 - 1929. Lakeview Cemetery Cleveland, Ohio. Id#: 0014298 Name: BARNES, Mary (LEWIS) Date: Feb 10 1943 Source: Source unknown; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #004. Notes: Barnes: Mary, beloved wife of the late David, mother of the late Mrs. Anna Pike, Mrs. Alice Qualman, Mrs. Minnie Venning, and Alfred, at residence, 16173 Glynn rd., East Cleveland, where services will be held Thursday, Feb. 11, at 3 p. m. Please omit flowers. [She was the daughter of James and Elizabeth HARDING LEWIS] born Malmesbury 10 Aug 1853 Id#: 0278345 Name: Pike, Annie Barnes Date: Aug 31 1937 Source: Source unknown; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #064. Notes: Pike: Annie Barnes, beloved wife of Dennis O. Pike, mother of Alfred D., at her residence, 16157 Glynn rd. Friends may call at Abel's Funeral Home, Euclid and Shaw ave., where services will be held Tuesday, Aug. 31, at 2 p. m. Id#: 0278357 Name: Pike, Dennis O. (born Malmesbury 19 Mar 1876) Date: Dec 13 1949 Source: Source unknown; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #064. Notes: Pike, Dennis O., beloved husband of Charlotte, and father of Alfred, at St. Petersburg, Fla. Friends may call at the William Abel & Sons Co. Funeral Home, 15333 Euclid Ave., near Shaw, where services will be held Saturday, Dec. 17, at 3 p. m. Interment Lake View Cemetery. Dennis Oliver Pike Death Date: 1949 County of Death: Pinellas State of Death: Florida Race: White Gender: Male Born Manchester 27 Feb 1879 to the above David and Mary Lewis Barnes. As are the ones below Id#: 0682768 Name: Qualman, Alice (born Malmesbury @1886) Date: Aug 21 1959 Source: Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #148. Notes: Qualman, Alice, (nee Barnes), beloved wife of Arthur W., mother of Mrs. Margaret Limbird and Lewis J., sister of Mrs. Minnie Venning of Kirtland, O., grandmother of 5, residence, 16173 Glann Rd. Services and interment private. Kindly omit flowers, Arrangements by Rinear Funeral Home. Id#: 0767013 Name: Venning, Minnie B. (born Malmesbury 1886) Date: Aug 19 1970 Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #163. Notes: Venning. Minnie B. Venning, of Kirtland, O., wife of the late Percy, mother of Doris Stone and Henry D., grandmother and great-grandmother. Services Thursday 2 p.m., at Davis Funeral Home, 4154 Clark Ave., Willoughby, O. Gifts may be made to Kirtland Fire Dept.

Thank you to those who responded. I have now worked out what FA LA stands for - Farm Labourer. Leonie Fretwell [email protected] Burra, South Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Leonie Fretwell Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 1:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Query on Militia As part of my research on Wiltshire Osmans I came across a reference in the 1881 census for the Lafford family of Maisey Hampton (not Wiltshire I know!) in which the father and older son were described as Fa La & Private In The North Glost Militia I have checked google but could find no clue as to what Fa La meant. Can anyone throw any light on these abbreviations? Leonie Fretwell [email protected] Burra, South Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your response. However the abbreviations are shown for both the father and the son, so I think it is a military term. Leonie Fretwell [email protected] Burra, South Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Terry Waters-Marsh Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 1:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Query on Militia Abbreviation for Father-in-law. Common in census. Warmest regards, Terry Waters-Marsh FreeCEN Country Coordinator for ENGLAND FreeCEN County Coordinator for SOMERSET (1891), WILTSHIRE, BEDFORDSHIRE, BERKSHIRE, BUCKINGHAMSHIRE, CHESHIRE, DORSET, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, HERTFORDSHIRE, HUNTINGDONSHIRE, OXFORDSHIRE, WARWICKSHIRE, WORCESTERSHIRE. Visit the FreeCEN web site at http://www.freecen.org.uk Somerset web page http://freepages.genealogy.rootswseb.com/~somtcen Wiltshire web page http://www.pope-genealogy.me.uk/nwop.htm Warwickshire web page http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/freecens/1861/index_1861.html Worcestershire web page http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/wo-a-p.html OPC for Avebury, Wiltshire General census information http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/census/index.htm "To forget one's ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root." (Chinese Proverb) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Leonie Fretwell Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 12:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Query on Militia As part of my research on Wiltshire Osmans I came across a reference in the 1881 census for the Lafford family of Maisey Hampton (not Wiltshire I know!) in which the father and older son were described as Fa La & Private In The North Glost Militia I have checked google but could find no clue as to what Fa La meant. Can anyone throw any light on these abbreviations? Leonie Fretwell [email protected] Burra, South Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your response. However the abbreviations are shown for both the father and the son, so I think it is a military term. Leonie Fretwell [email protected] Burra, South Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nancy Frey Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 1:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Query on Militia Hi Leonie, When I'm transcribing for FreeBMD, it is is short form for 'father-in-law'. Is that possible? Regards, Nancy Frey Newcastle, Ontario, CANADA OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset Moderator of Yahoo! Catsash Group Moderator of Yahoo! FULFORD_North Devon Group Moderator of Yahoo! DAVIDGE Connections Group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonie Fretwell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:51 PM Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Query on Militia > As part of my research on Wiltshire Osmans I came across a reference in > the > 1881 census for the Lafford family of Maisey Hampton (not Wiltshire I > know!) > in which the father and older son were described as Fa La & Private In The > North Glost Militia > > > > I have checked google but could find no clue as to what Fa La meant. Can > anyone throw any light on these abbreviations? > > > > Leonie Fretwell > > [email protected] > > Burra, South Australia > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Leonie, When you look at the original image (RG11/2558, ED 13, Folio 51, page 12), Edmund (aged 56) has occupation of "Fa La" only and the son Thomas (aged 31) has the occupation of "Fa La & Private in the North Glos Militia". As such, I disagree that it is a military term. My educated guess having looked at the original census image is Farm Labourer as the meaning of Fa La along the lines of Ag Lab. Warmest regards, Terry Waters-Marsh FreeCEN Country Coordinator for ENGLAND FreeCEN County Coordinator for SOMERSET (1891), WILTSHIRE, BEDFORDSHIRE, BERKSHIRE, BUCKINGHAMSHIRE, CHESHIRE, DORSET, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, HERTFORDSHIRE, HUNTINGDONSHIRE, OXFORDSHIRE, WARWICKSHIRE, WORCESTERSHIRE. Visit the FreeCEN web site at http://www.freecen.org.uk Somerset web page http://freepages.genealogy.rootswseb.com/~somtcen Wiltshire web page http://www.pope-genealogy.me.uk/nwop.htm Warwickshire web page http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/freecens/1861/index_1861.html Worcestershire web page http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/wo-a-p.html OPC for Avebury, Wiltshire General census information http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/census/index.htm "To forget one's ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root." (Chinese Proverb) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Leonie Fretwell Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 1:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Query on Militia Thanks for your response. However the abbreviations are shown for both the father and the son, so I think it is a military term. Leonie Fretwell [email protected] Burra, South Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Terry Waters-Marsh Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 1:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Query on Militia Abbreviation for Father-in-law. Common in census. Warmest regards, Terry Waters-Marsh FreeCEN Country Coordinator for ENGLAND FreeCEN County Coordinator for SOMERSET (1891), WILTSHIRE, BEDFORDSHIRE, BERKSHIRE, BUCKINGHAMSHIRE, CHESHIRE, DORSET, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, HERTFORDSHIRE, HUNTINGDONSHIRE, OXFORDSHIRE, WARWICKSHIRE, WORCESTERSHIRE. Visit the FreeCEN web site at http://www.freecen.org.uk Somerset web page http://freepages.genealogy.rootswseb.com/~somtcen Wiltshire web page http://www.pope-genealogy.me.uk/nwop.htm Warwickshire web page http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/freecens/1861/index_1861.html Worcestershire web page http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/wo-a-p.html OPC for Avebury, Wiltshire General census information http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/census/index.htm "To forget one's ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root." (Chinese Proverb) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Leonie Fretwell Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 12:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Query on Militia As part of my research on Wiltshire Osmans I came across a reference in the 1881 census for the Lafford family of Maisey Hampton (not Wiltshire I know!) in which the father and older son were described as Fa La & Private In The North Glost Militia I have checked google but could find no clue as to what Fa La meant. Can anyone throw any light on these abbreviations? Leonie Fretwell [email protected] Burra, South Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message