Thanks for that, John! I haven't been responsible for the Salisbury extractions but these seem to be largely complete. The link is: http://www.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/locations/index.jsp As you can see, if you select Salisbury from the diocesan list and then Rowde from the parishes, the details confirm your list, though there are one or two earlier ones and Henry Bayntun seems to have slipped through the net Best wishes Paul. ----- Original Message ----- From: "family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 5:36 PM Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cornwall to Wales? > Hi Paul > > You mention that you have been involved with the compilation of the Clergy > of the Church of England > > I am currently transcribing the Rowde PR's (St Matthew). Within this there > is a list of Clergyman who have served this Parish > > You can view this information on my website > http://www.pope-genealogy.me.uk/rowdenotes.htm > > I hope it is of interest > > regards > > John Pope > > ------------- > North Wilts Online Census Project (NWOCP) > www.pope-genealogy.me.uk/nwocp.htm > Pope Family Genealogy > www.pope-genealogy.me.uk > OPC for Bishopstone and Little Hinton, Wilts > www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engwopcp/index.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Web site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/monfh.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/monfh/ from another person who has been helped by Mike Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended > Can you tell us what his website is > Thanks > Anita > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alison Holden" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:47 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended > > >> Dear All >> I cannot comment on the cost of setting up and running websites, etc. >> However I would like to say that I have made considerable use of Mike >> John's website. >> I have been able to trace my family history back several generations as >> well as making contact with other family members. His site has saved me >> probably hundreds of pounds. >> >> He may, or may not, transcribe for freeCEN or freeBMD but he has made >> available innumerable records online for people who are unable to travel >> to record offices in Wales. >> He has helped me personally with my family tree and has sent me copies >> of >> wills that relate to my family. >> >> So please do not end this discussion with criticism of him. You may not >> agree with his views but he does have a right to state them. >> Alison >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear All I cannot comment on the cost of setting up and running websites, etc. However I would like to say that I have made considerable use of Mike John's website. I have been able to trace my family history back several generations as well as making contact with other family members. His site has saved me probably hundreds of pounds. He may, or may not, transcribe for freeCEN or freeBMD but he has made available innumerable records online for people who are unable to travel to record offices in Wales. He has helped me personally with my family tree and has sent me copies of wills that relate to my family. So please do not end this discussion with criticism of him. You may not agree with his views but he does have a right to state them. Alison ________________________________ From: Terry Waters-Marsh <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 29 January, 2009 10:19:22 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended Dear All, As the first to defend the cost of the online Wilts wills, perhaps I can have the last words as well and then we can close the thread (please?). Mike was strident in his criticisms but as far as I know, he has never volunteered to transcribe for FreeCEN (putting the census online for free), FreeBMD (putting the civil registration indexes online for free) or FreeREG (putting the parish registers online for free). Had he done so, he would have realised that even these projects, registered as charities in the UK, have significant costs in producing the transcriptions and in maintaining the web servers for online access. Even the volunteers have costs in terms of time, use of their computers, discs and postage costs. As someone else so aptly commented, "You do not owt for nowt". Finally, the mind is like a parachute - it only works when it is open. Warmest regards, Terry Waters-Marsh FreeCEN Country Coordinator for ENGLAND FreeCEN County Coordinator for SOMERSET (1891), WILTSHIRE, BEDFORDSHIRE, BERKSHIRE, BUCKINGHAMSHIRE, CHESHIRE, DORSET, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, HERTFORDSHIRE, HUNTINGDONSHIRE, OXFORDSHIRE, WARWICKSHIRE, WORCESTERSHIRE. Visit the FreeCEN web site at http://www.freecen.org.uk Somerset web page http://freepages.genealogy.rootswseb.com/~somtcen Wiltshire web page http://www.pope-genealogy.me.uk/nwop.htm Warwickshire web page http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/freecens/1861/index_1861.html Worcestershire web page http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/wo-a-p.html OPC for Avebury, Wiltshire General census information http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/census/index.htm "To forget one's ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root." (Chinese Proverb) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Nina, My 4xgr grandfather was Richard Usher, b. 1798 in Lydiard Tregoze. He was a younger brother of Thomas Usher and brother in-law of Hannah Messiter. I don't know much about Hannah, except that she was born around 1797 in Trowbridge to Stephen and Susannah Messiter. Most of my information relates to Richard's line and the Ushers in Australia. However, I also have some information on the Ushers of Trowbridge and some of Richard's other brothers. Richard and a number of the other brothers ended up in Bristol. Richard & James (b. 1796) are both known to have also been Brewers and Inn Keepers. I don't believe that either achieved Thomas's success. Happy to help if I can. Regards, Belinda Sydney, Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, 30 January 2009 5:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cornwall to Wales? Paul, Are you the Vivash that used to be quite active on the Moonrakers site? My cornish ancestors were basically farmers, and mostly stayed put. I haven't got experience of them moving other than within Cornwall, except females marrying someone from away.The miners were much more mobile., some of them went out to Mexico.The parish reg I am transcribing at the moment has quite a few miners, and associated trades, some mining manganese , some describing themselves as whitesmiths etc. My Wiltshire and Cornish ancestry came together when my 2xgt grandmother Mary Lawry from St Anthony in Roseland married Simeon Usher from Trowbridge in 1849. Simeon was one of the three sons of Thomas Usher that went into the brewery with him. Thomas Usher 1790-1872 founded Ushers Wiltshire Ales. He and his wife, Hannah Messiter 1797-1880 had 11 children, 10 sons & 1 daughter! My gt gt grandfather Simeon Usher(Trowbridge) 1822-1858 was one of the surviving 8 sons. I have never found anyone else researching Messiter but I live in hope ! Regards, Nina ( in Ystalyfera) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Belinda Is your Richard Usher mentioned below connected to ex-Navy Commander Richard Usher from Perth WA? Regards Ann Spiro Perth, Western Australia [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blacksmiths or http://tinyurl.com/4x6l7a ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ The gene pool could use a little chlorine(Author Unknown) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Belinda van der Mast Sent: Friday, 30 January 2009 4:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cornwall to Wales? Hello Nina, My 4xgr grandfather was Richard Usher, b. 1798 in Lydiard Tregoze. He was a younger brother of Thomas Usher and brother in-law of Hannah Messiter. I don't know much about Hannah, except that she was born around 1797 in Trowbridge to Stephen and Susannah Messiter. Most of my information relates to Richard's line and the Ushers in Australia. However, I also have some information on the Ushers of Trowbridge and some of Richard's other brothers. Richard and a number of the other brothers ended up in Bristol. Richard & James (b. 1796) are both known to have also been Brewers and Inn Keepers. I don't believe that either achieved Thomas's success. Happy to help if I can. Regards, Belinda Sydney, Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, 30 January 2009 5:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cornwall to Wales? Paul, Are you the Vivash that used to be quite active on the Moonrakers site? My cornish ancestors were basically farmers, and mostly stayed put. I haven't got experience of them moving other than within Cornwall, except females marrying someone from away.The miners were much more mobile., some of them went out to Mexico.The parish reg I am transcribing at the moment has quite a few miners, and associated trades, some mining manganese , some describing themselves as whitesmiths etc. My Wiltshire and Cornish ancestry came together when my 2xgt grandmother Mary Lawry from St Anthony in Roseland married Simeon Usher from Trowbridge in 1849. Simeon was one of the three sons of Thomas Usher that went into the brewery with him. Thomas Usher 1790-1872 founded Ushers Wiltshire Ales. He and his wife, Hannah Messiter 1797-1880 had 11 children, 10 sons & 1 daughter! My gt gt grandfather Simeon Usher(Trowbridge) 1822-1858 was one of the surviving 8 sons. I have never found anyone else researching Messiter but I live in hope ! Regards, Nina ( in Ystalyfera) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul You mention that you have been involved with the compilation of the Clergy of the Church of England I am currently transcribing the Rowde PR's (St Matthew). Within this there is a list of Clergyman who have served this Parish You can view this information on my website http://www.pope-genealogy.me.uk/rowdenotes.htm I hope it is of interest regards John Pope ------------- North Wilts Online Census Project (NWOCP) www.pope-genealogy.me.uk/nwocp.htm Pope Family Genealogy www.pope-genealogy.me.uk OPC for Bishopstone and Little Hinton, Wilts www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engwopcp/index.html

Hi Belinda, Interesting to see your message on the list. Thomas USHER & Hannah MESSITER were my 3x gt grandparents. I have done a lot of research into the line from Thomas (senior) and have a fair bit of info on him. I know quite a lot about one of the two sons that went to Australia, Jabez USHER, and am in close touch with a cousin,one of his descendants, whom I have met twice in Oz, also have met another Jabez descendant. I know less about Samuel USHER the other son of Thomas who went to Australia, and his line. Also somebody put a load of incorrect info on the internet , linking Samuel to the wrong parentage, which eventually came around to my attention and took a bit of disentangling. Another contact in Oz had a tree which seemed to combine a few different Usher families in quite a creative way, but the dates didn't fit! He included your Richard USHER in this tree, so it would be good to get it accurate from a true descendant of Richard. I will be happy to swap info. The timing is not brilliant as we are going away tomorrow for a week of family celebrations for my mother-in-law's 90th birthday.I shall be away from the computer after midday tomorrow. On my return I will be back on the case. Regards, Nina

Hi Nina (I have to stop myself writing 'Neena' which is my daughter in law's name) Yes, I have been on the Moonraker list for nigh on 20 years! It was just a long shot as regards our village here in Wales. My only connection with USHER is that I used to enjoy their fine ales. Another excellent Wiltshire brewery was Wadworth'sof Devizes! It doesn't look as though our genealogical paths are likely to meet but if you come across any clergymen in your ancestry I might be able to help. Since retiring from the Royal Air Force of Oman some 8½ years ago I have been incolved with the compilation of the Clergy of the Church of England database (1540 - 1835) and it so happens that at the moment I am transcribing registers of the Diocese of Exeter whch, of course, included Cornwall. Best wishes Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: " Nina" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cornwall to Wales? > Paul, Are you the Vivash that used to be quite active on the Moonrakers > site? > My cornish ancestors were basically farmers, and mostly stayed put. I > haven't got experience of them moving other than within Cornwall, except > females marrying someone from away.The miners were much more mobile., some > of them went out to Mexico.The parish reg I am transcribing at the moment > has quite a few miners, and associated trades, some mining manganese , > some > describing themselves as whitesmiths etc. > My Wiltshire and Cornish ancestry came together when my 2xgt grandmother > Mary Lawry from St Anthony in Roseland married Simeon Usher from > Trowbridge > in 1849. Simeon was one of the three sons of Thomas Usher that went into > the > brewery with him. Thomas Usher 1790-1872 founded Ushers Wiltshire Ales. > He > and his wife, Hannah Messiter 1797-1880 had 11 children, 10 sons & 1 > daughter! My gt gt grandfather Simeon Usher(Trowbridge) 1822-1858 was one > of > the surviving 8 sons. I have never found anyone else researching Messiter > but I live in hope ! > Regards, Nina ( in Ystalyfera) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear All, As the first to defend the cost of the online Wilts wills, perhaps I can have the last words as well and then we can close the thread (please?). Mike was strident in his criticisms but as far as I know, he has never volunteered to transcribe for FreeCEN (putting the census online for free), FreeBMD (putting the civil registration indexes online for free) or FreeREG (putting the parish registers online for free). Had he done so, he would have realised that even these projects, registered as charities in the UK, have significant costs in producing the transcriptions and in maintaining the web servers for online access. Even the volunteers have costs in terms of time, use of their computers, discs and postage costs. As someone else so aptly commented, "You do not owt for nowt". Finally, the mind is like a parachute - it only works when it is open. Warmest regards, Terry Waters-Marsh FreeCEN Country Coordinator for ENGLAND FreeCEN County Coordinator for SOMERSET (1891), WILTSHIRE, BEDFORDSHIRE, BERKSHIRE, BUCKINGHAMSHIRE, CHESHIRE, DORSET, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, HERTFORDSHIRE, HUNTINGDONSHIRE, OXFORDSHIRE, WARWICKSHIRE, WORCESTERSHIRE. Visit the FreeCEN web site at http://www.freecen.org.uk Somerset web page http://freepages.genealogy.rootswseb.com/~somtcen Wiltshire web page http://www.pope-genealogy.me.uk/nwop.htm Warwickshire web page http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/freecens/1861/index_1861.html Worcestershire web page http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/wo-a-p.html OPC for Avebury, Wiltshire General census information http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/census/index.htm "To forget one's ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root." (Chinese Proverb)

Paul, Are you the Vivash that used to be quite active on the Moonrakers site? My cornish ancestors were basically farmers, and mostly stayed put. I haven't got experience of them moving other than within Cornwall, except females marrying someone from away.The miners were much more mobile., some of them went out to Mexico.The parish reg I am transcribing at the moment has quite a few miners, and associated trades, some mining manganese , some describing themselves as whitesmiths etc. My Wiltshire and Cornish ancestry came together when my 2xgt grandmother Mary Lawry from St Anthony in Roseland married Simeon Usher from Trowbridge in 1849. Simeon was one of the three sons of Thomas Usher that went into the brewery with him. Thomas Usher 1790-1872 founded Ushers Wiltshire Ales. He and his wife, Hannah Messiter 1797-1880 had 11 children, 10 sons & 1 daughter! My gt gt grandfather Simeon Usher(Trowbridge) 1822-1858 was one of the surviving 8 sons. I have never found anyone else researching Messiter but I live in hope ! Regards, Nina ( in Ystalyfera)

Hi Nina! I also seem to be in a very similar situation to you in that I live about 7 miles east of Aberystwyth and all my ancestry is in Wiltshire. I am fortunate, though in that the National Library just up the road has a lot of useful general material as well as, of course, free access to Ancestry etc. I was struck by your reference to Cornwall. Our village here, Goginan, used to have one of the largest silver/lead mines in Wales and we actually live in the old chief mine agent's house. Because of their mining expertise very many Cornish families moved here during the nineteenth century to work as place names in the village such "Cornish Row " testify. I just wondered whether you had any known connections with any of these families. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: " Nina" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended > Mike, > I also live in Wales and am a pensioner on a small income, although i > manage > very well by making choices. One thing I do not skimp on is family > history.You are fortunate if so many of the records you are interested in > are within easy travelling distance. My main lines come from Cornwall, > Wiltshire and Yorkshire. I have paid for several wills to be sent to me, > and > for the info you get in a will, they are cheap at the price. Much cheaper > than petro;l and the cost of accommodation if you are spending more than > one > day anywhere, and let's face it how much real research can you do in a one > day flying visit now and again. How much would you have had to spend on > your > hobby in Wales if you lived miles away in the south east of England, or > up > in Scotland? > > My family have given me money for birthdays & Christmas to help me with my > research- I get far more pleasure by spending it on that than new clothes. > It's all about choices, and if we didn't pay towards these facilities they > would become unviable and uneconomic and become a casualty in no time. I > also believe in helping and giving back - I have transcribed for freebmd > and > am currently transcribing Cornish parish registers. It is possible to > weigh up pros & cons, without universal application. It's called using > your > brain. I would not consider paying to feed ducks, but will continue to > decide what elements of family history research I am prepared to pay for. > Nina Graham > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thankyou for the link to Wiltshire Wills. Jenny DeAngelis spain. > > http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/heritage/wills_search.php?community_in=Tidworth >

Mike, I also live in Wales and am a pensioner on a small income, although i manage very well by making choices. One thing I do not skimp on is family history.You are fortunate if so many of the records you are interested in are within easy travelling distance. My main lines come from Cornwall, Wiltshire and Yorkshire. I have paid for several wills to be sent to me, and for the info you get in a will, they are cheap at the price. Much cheaper than petro;l and the cost of accommodation if you are spending more than one day anywhere, and let's face it how much real research can you do in a one day flying visit now and again. How much would you have had to spend on your hobby in Wales if you lived miles away in the south east of England, or up in Scotland? My family have given me money for birthdays & Christmas to help me with my research- I get far more pleasure by spending it on that than new clothes. It's all about choices, and if we didn't pay towards these facilities they would become unviable and uneconomic and become a casualty in no time. I also believe in helping and giving back - I have transcribed for freebmd and am currently transcribing Cornish parish registers. It is possible to weigh up pros & cons, without universal application. It's called using your brain. I would not consider paying to feed ducks, but will continue to decide what elements of family history research I am prepared to pay for. Nina Graham

As an aside to this discussion, Mike John is very lucky to be able to photograph records at the archives he has visited. In Barnsley we are not allowed to do this! Joan in South Yorkshire 2009/1/29 Richard Heaton <[email protected]> > While it is disappointing that the Wiltshire Wills project has had to > introduce a charge, its perhaps not surprising. With hindsight, what would > have been great, would have been a project (while access was free), to > index > all the names appearing within the Wiltshire Wills (or maybe this is on the > way ?) which would greatly enhance the value of what is already a superb > collection. > > Regardless hopefully some of the income generated from the charge can be > re-invested to enable more material to become available on the web in > future. > > Best Rgds > Richard Heaton > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike john" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:56 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended > > > Okay you win, lets charge for everything, reading books in libraries, going > into museums & art galleries, sitting in the park, feeding the ducks at the > local pond. > > Where do you thing public ammentities start and end, a century ago > politians, trade unionists and many other people with philanphrocpic > beliefs > fought so that ordinary people could enjoy culture, that was once the > privelege of the rich. We have a government aided by local councils who > believe in privatising everything. Your attitude to paying for what you > should be getting for nothing astounds me, you are so short sighted, > because > at the end of the day it is your history, and you are a taxpayer already > ensuring it survives for future generations > > There are people on low incomes, single parents, and pensioners who cant > afford to pay these extravegent costs, have'nt the right to look into their > history as well, why should we pay again for things that already belong to > us. > > I am unsubscribing so dont bother replying, I was only pointing out the > fact, that yes I love family history, and my aim is to give something back > for FREE before its all gets taken away, because that is what is going to > happen in the long term. > > Mike John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip Snook" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:07 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended > > > Did you do this photographing etc for love? When you do this, do you ever > consider the time that it takes for you to do it? What would you pay > somebody, a professional, to do the same thing? You don't get owt for nowt! > I, for one, don't mind paying a fee - but I bet that it's only a fraction > of > the true cost taking everything into consideration. > Phil > > > On 29/1/09 12:44, "mike john" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I have just purchased 9 pages from a newpaper, they cost 90p each, I will > > now upload them to my website which cost nothing. I have also > photographed > > practically every parish record in Monmouthshire, fantastic images over > > 300,000 of them, cost me just my bus fair to the records offices. I have > > also photographed all the Tithe apportionments for the whole of > > Monmouthshire, cost nothing. plus several hundred thousand other > documents > > > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Anton Mcloughlin" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended > > > > > > When the Wills Project site first came on line i had excellent and very > > fast service from the Wilts Archives who photocopied and posted many > > wills and associated documents to me by return of post. > > > > This project is really a flagship one and a tremendous help to > > researchers...it really helped me with mine as i got two wills late > 17thC. > > > > As wills are so hard to locate from a distance, and sometimes even in a > > record office, it is so unusual to find such a comprehensive indexing > > project. > > > > Considering that the Borthwick Institute has the wills for the whole of > > the North of England and they chare £10 for paper copies and take up to > > 28 days to send them. Wiltshire Archives are very realistic at £5 for an > > instant copy or less for a posted paper copy. > > > > Considering the potential leads in wills £5 is a reasonable price to pay > > for an instant download. > > > > The revenue will undoubtably be put to good use enabling more records to > > go online. > > > > Admittadly there are some digitisation projects that are free...the most > > notable is the Medway Ark project which has all the OPRs and more for > > free. > > > > But the more that goes on line the better for all. > > > > Anton > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: > > 29/01/2009 > > 07:13 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: > 29/01/2009 > 07:13 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

While it is disappointing that the Wiltshire Wills project has had to introduce a charge, its perhaps not surprising. With hindsight, what would have been great, would have been a project (while access was free), to index all the names appearing within the Wiltshire Wills (or maybe this is on the way ?) which would greatly enhance the value of what is already a superb collection. Regardless hopefully some of the income generated from the charge can be re-invested to enable more material to become available on the web in future. Best Rgds Richard Heaton ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike john" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended Okay you win, lets charge for everything, reading books in libraries, going into museums & art galleries, sitting in the park, feeding the ducks at the local pond. Where do you thing public ammentities start and end, a century ago politians, trade unionists and many other people with philanphrocpic beliefs fought so that ordinary people could enjoy culture, that was once the privelege of the rich. We have a government aided by local councils who believe in privatising everything. Your attitude to paying for what you should be getting for nothing astounds me, you are so short sighted, because at the end of the day it is your history, and you are a taxpayer already ensuring it survives for future generations There are people on low incomes, single parents, and pensioners who cant afford to pay these extravegent costs, have'nt the right to look into their history as well, why should we pay again for things that already belong to us. I am unsubscribing so dont bother replying, I was only pointing out the fact, that yes I love family history, and my aim is to give something back for FREE before its all gets taken away, because that is what is going to happen in the long term. Mike John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Snook" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended Did you do this photographing etc for love? When you do this, do you ever consider the time that it takes for you to do it? What would you pay somebody, a professional, to do the same thing? You don't get owt for nowt! I, for one, don't mind paying a fee - but I bet that it's only a fraction of the true cost taking everything into consideration. Phil On 29/1/09 12:44, "mike john" <[email protected]> wrote: > I have just purchased 9 pages from a newpaper, they cost 90p each, I will > now upload them to my website which cost nothing. I have also photographed > practically every parish record in Monmouthshire, fantastic images over > 300,000 of them, cost me just my bus fair to the records offices. I have > also photographed all the Tithe apportionments for the whole of > Monmouthshire, cost nothing. plus several hundred thousand other documents > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anton Mcloughlin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:06 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended > > > When the Wills Project site first came on line i had excellent and very > fast service from the Wilts Archives who photocopied and posted many > wills and associated documents to me by return of post. > > This project is really a flagship one and a tremendous help to > researchers...it really helped me with mine as i got two wills late 17thC. > > As wills are so hard to locate from a distance, and sometimes even in a > record office, it is so unusual to find such a comprehensive indexing > project. > > Considering that the Borthwick Institute has the wills for the whole of > the North of England and they chare £10 for paper copies and take up to > 28 days to send them. Wiltshire Archives are very realistic at £5 for an > instant copy or less for a posted paper copy. > > Considering the potential leads in wills £5 is a reasonable price to pay > for an instant download. > > The revenue will undoubtably be put to good use enabling more records to > go online. > > Admittadly there are some digitisation projects that are free...the most > notable is the Medway Ark project which has all the OPRs and more for > free. > > But the more that goes on line the better for all. > > Anton >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: > 29/01/2009 > 07:13 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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So how about transcribing the thousands of documents you have for the benefit of all...after all it will cost you nothing:-) nand load the transcriptions to your web site as that is "free" as well..lucky you as I pay for my website.. regards Anton -------- Original Message -------- > Okay you win, lets charge for everything, reading books in libraries, going > into museums & art galleries, sitting in the park, feeding the ducks at the > local pond. > > Where do you thing public ammentities start and end, a century ago > politians, trade unionists and many other people with philanphrocpic beliefs > fought so that ordinary people could enjoy culture, that was once the > privelege of the rich. We have a government aided by local councils who > believe in privatising everything. Your attitude to paying for what you > should be getting for nothing astounds me, you are so short sighted, because > at the end of the day it is your history, and you are a taxpayer already > ensuring it survives for future generations > > There are people on low incomes, single parents, and pensioners who cant > afford to pay these extravegent costs, have'nt the right to look into their > history as well, why should we pay again for things that already belong to > us. > > I am unsubscribing so dont bother replying, I was only pointing out the > fact, that yes I love family history, and my aim is to give something back > for FREE before its all gets taken away, because that is what is going to > happen in the long term. > > Mike John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip Snook" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:07 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended > > > Did you do this photographing etc for love? When you do this, do you ever > consider the time that it takes for you to do it? What would you pay > somebody, a professional, to do the same thing? You don't get owt for nowt! > I, for one, don't mind paying a fee - but I bet that it's only a fraction of > the true cost taking everything into consideration. > Phil > > > On 29/1/09 12:44, "mike john" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> I have just purchased 9 pages from a newpaper, they cost 90p each, I will >> now upload them to my website which cost nothing. I have also photographed >> practically every parish record in Monmouthshire, fantastic images over >> 300,000 of them, cost me just my bus fair to the records offices. I have >> also photographed all the Tithe apportionments for the whole of >> Monmouthshire, cost nothing. plus several hundred thousand other documents >> >> Mike >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anton Mcloughlin" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended >> >> >> When the Wills Project site first came on line i had excellent and very >> fast service from the Wilts Archives who photocopied and posted many >> wills and associated documents to me by return of post. >> >> This project is really a flagship one and a tremendous help to >> researchers...it really helped me with mine as i got two wills late 17thC. >> >> As wills are so hard to locate from a distance, and sometimes even in a >> record office, it is so unusual to find such a comprehensive indexing >> project. >> >> Considering that the Borthwick Institute has the wills for the whole of >> the North of England and they chare £10 for paper copies and take up to >> 28 days to send them. Wiltshire Archives are very realistic at £5 for an >> instant copy or less for a posted paper copy. >> >> Considering the potential leads in wills £5 is a reasonable price to pay >> for an instant download. >> >> The revenue will undoubtably be put to good use enabling more records to >> go online. >> >> Admittadly there are some digitisation projects that are free...the most >> notable is the Medway Ark project which has all the OPRs and more for >> free. >> >> But the more that goes on line the better for all. >> >> Anton >> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: >> 29/01/2009 >> 07:13 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 29/01/2009 > 07:13 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11650 > http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/ > >

Okay you win, lets charge for everything, reading books in libraries, going into museums & art galleries, sitting in the park, feeding the ducks at the local pond. Where do you thing public ammentities start and end, a century ago politians, trade unionists and many other people with philanphrocpic beliefs fought so that ordinary people could enjoy culture, that was once the privelege of the rich. We have a government aided by local councils who believe in privatising everything. Your attitude to paying for what you should be getting for nothing astounds me, you are so short sighted, because at the end of the day it is your history, and you are a taxpayer already ensuring it survives for future generations There are people on low incomes, single parents, and pensioners who cant afford to pay these extravegent costs, have'nt the right to look into their history as well, why should we pay again for things that already belong to us. I am unsubscribing so dont bother replying, I was only pointing out the fact, that yes I love family history, and my aim is to give something back for FREE before its all gets taken away, because that is what is going to happen in the long term. Mike John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Snook" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended Did you do this photographing etc for love? When you do this, do you ever consider the time that it takes for you to do it? What would you pay somebody, a professional, to do the same thing? You don't get owt for nowt! I, for one, don't mind paying a fee - but I bet that it's only a fraction of the true cost taking everything into consideration. Phil On 29/1/09 12:44, "mike john" <[email protected]> wrote: > I have just purchased 9 pages from a newpaper, they cost 90p each, I will > now upload them to my website which cost nothing. I have also photographed > practically every parish record in Monmouthshire, fantastic images over > 300,000 of them, cost me just my bus fair to the records offices. I have > also photographed all the Tithe apportionments for the whole of > Monmouthshire, cost nothing. plus several hundred thousand other documents > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anton Mcloughlin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:06 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended > > > When the Wills Project site first came on line i had excellent and very > fast service from the Wilts Archives who photocopied and posted many > wills and associated documents to me by return of post. > > This project is really a flagship one and a tremendous help to > researchers...it really helped me with mine as i got two wills late 17thC. > > As wills are so hard to locate from a distance, and sometimes even in a > record office, it is so unusual to find such a comprehensive indexing > project. > > Considering that the Borthwick Institute has the wills for the whole of > the North of England and they chare £10 for paper copies and take up to > 28 days to send them. Wiltshire Archives are very realistic at £5 for an > instant copy or less for a posted paper copy. > > Considering the potential leads in wills £5 is a reasonable price to pay > for an instant download. > > The revenue will undoubtably be put to good use enabling more records to > go online. > > Admittadly there are some digitisation projects that are free...the most > notable is the Medway Ark project which has all the OPRs and more for > free. > > But the more that goes on line the better for all. > > Anton >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: > 29/01/2009 > 07:13 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 29/01/2009 07:13

Did you do this photographing etc for love? When you do this, do you ever consider the time that it takes for you to do it? What would you pay somebody, a professional, to do the same thing? You don't get owt for nowt! I, for one, don't mind paying a fee - but I bet that it's only a fraction of the true cost taking everything into consideration. Phil On 29/1/09 12:44, "mike john" <[email protected]> wrote: > I have just purchased 9 pages from a newpaper, they cost 90p each, I will > now upload them to my website which cost nothing. I have also photographed > practically every parish record in Monmouthshire, fantastic images over > 300,000 of them, cost me just my bus fair to the records offices. I have > also photographed all the Tithe apportionments for the whole of > Monmouthshire, cost nothing. plus several hundred thousand other documents > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anton Mcloughlin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:06 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended > > > When the Wills Project site first came on line i had excellent and very > fast service from the Wilts Archives who photocopied and posted many > wills and associated documents to me by return of post. > > This project is really a flagship one and a tremendous help to > researchers...it really helped me with mine as i got two wills late 17thC. > > As wills are so hard to locate from a distance, and sometimes even in a > record office, it is so unusual to find such a comprehensive indexing > project. > > Considering that the Borthwick Institute has the wills for the whole of > the North of England and they chare £10 for paper copies and take up to > 28 days to send them. Wiltshire Archives are very realistic at £5 for an > instant copy or less for a posted paper copy. > > Considering the potential leads in wills £5 is a reasonable price to pay > for an instant download. > > The revenue will undoubtably be put to good use enabling more records to > go online. > > Admittadly there are some digitisation projects that are free...the most > notable is the Medway Ark project which has all the OPRs and more for free. > > But the more that goes on line the better for all. > > Anton >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 29/01/2009 > 07:13 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have just purchased 9 pages from a newpaper, they cost 90p each, I will now upload them to my website which cost nothing. I have also photographed practically every parish record in Monmouthshire, fantastic images over 300,000 of them, cost me just my bus fair to the records offices. I have also photographed all the Tithe apportionments for the whole of Monmouthshire, cost nothing. plus several hundred thousand other documents Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anton Mcloughlin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-WILTSHIRE] Cost of Wilts Wills online defended When the Wills Project site first came on line i had excellent and very fast service from the Wilts Archives who photocopied and posted many wills and associated documents to me by return of post. This project is really a flagship one and a tremendous help to researchers...it really helped me with mine as i got two wills late 17thC. As wills are so hard to locate from a distance, and sometimes even in a record office, it is so unusual to find such a comprehensive indexing project. Considering that the Borthwick Institute has the wills for the whole of the North of England and they chare £10 for paper copies and take up to 28 days to send them. Wiltshire Archives are very realistic at £5 for an instant copy or less for a posted paper copy. Considering the potential leads in wills £5 is a reasonable price to pay for an instant download. The revenue will undoubtably be put to good use enabling more records to go online. Admittadly there are some digitisation projects that are free...the most notable is the Medway Ark project which has all the OPRs and more for free. But the more that goes on line the better for all. Anton > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 29/01/2009 07:13

Try looking in Hampshire as there is a Hale on the border Wilts/Hants http://www.nfdc.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=2308 -------- Original Message -------- > If someone is shown as being born in Hale, Wiltshire were would I look to find the Parish Records? > > Many thanks > > Nic > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > E-mail message checked by Internet Security (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11650 > http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/ > >