Hi Sarah, Thanks for those lists and I shall have a go at collecting more names. I note you have a Wren. I found a grave stone in Orton churchyard of a ....Wilson Wren from Scarside, Orton. It appealed to me as I had relations living at Scarside in 1881 called Wilson. It could be a coincidence but I have a photograph somewhere of that stone. Regards, Sarah -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eng-westmorland-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 10 November 2008 04:33 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-WESTMORLAND Digest, Vol 3, Issue 206 Today's Topics: 1. Remembrance Day / Armistice Day (Barb Baker) 2. Re: Remembrance Day / Armistice Day (paul thompson) 3. Re: Remembrance Day / Armistice Day (SarahReveley) 4. Re: Remembrance Day / Armistice Day (Barb Baker) 5. Re: Remembrance Day / Armistice Day (Brian Griffiths) 6. Lest we forget (DOROTHY WILLIAMS) 7. Re: Lest we forget (Shirley Tebay) 8. "To Awaken Remembrance" (SarahReveley) 9. Oh! Tempora - Oh! Mores! (SarahReveley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 07:43:26 -0500 From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day To: "Genealogy-Cumberland" <Genealogy-Cumberland@googlegroups.com>, <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP3092FDC699545D3067C23DA01B0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Please join in remembering. On Monday, I thought I would post the details of all my soldiers Not just from Cumberland or Westmorland, but all of them. Hope you will do the same. Barb, Ontario, Canada. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:35:32 -0000 From: "paul thompson" <p.thompson23@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <905B869E23684E69BB641ABED6736BBC@mrc5zajy375h3r> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I think that would be very good Barb they should never be forgotten.Paul Thompson Leicester England Home of The Tigers! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> To: "Genealogy-Cumberland" <Genealogy-Cumberland@googlegroups.com>; <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day > Please join in remembering. > > On Monday, I thought I would post the details of all my soldiers > Not just from Cumberland or Westmorland, but all of them. > > Hope you will do the same. > > Barb, Ontario, Canada. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1777 - Release Date: 09/11/2008 09:53 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:04:14 -0600 From: "SarahReveley" <sarahreveley@grandecom.net> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B1058B8DC6884D54A449A53AB541FE00@DellOpti> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Barb! I have always made a point of photographing monuments and close ups of names, have quite a few, is there a website somewhere I can mail them to? I have Westmorland, Cumberland, Yorkshire, and Northumberland. Have one from Wales now. Dorothy Williams in Preston has several great uncles killed in the Great War, and visits cemeteries and trenches and battlefields, she got me started on it. I have some from Mamma's side in Germany. It felt strange at first to see the German heroes, my ancestors, but all of the men fought for their countries, and I felt proud to be there. Sarah in Texas I think that would be very good Barb they should never be forgotten.Paul > Please join in remembering. > > On Monday, I thought I would post the details of all my soldiers > Not just from Cumberland or Westmorland, but all of them. > > Hope you will do the same. > > Barb, Ontario, Canada. > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:29:25 -0500 From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP24292116C1CA01C64580A0A01B0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I don't know of any website for photos. What I had in mind was just the name, regiment, where born, where died, and the dates. Just so that we "Remember". Does anyone else know of a website ??? Barb. >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "SarahReveley" <sarahreveley@grandecom.net<<<<<< ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:04:50 -0000 From: "Brian Griffiths" <mail@briangriffiths.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <52C10401AE1A4780A58E800F8058681F@BRIANFERRARI> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Something like the BBC "Wall of Remembrance" maybe? http://www.bbc.co.uk/remembrance/ Brian |-----Original Message----- |From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com |[mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barb Baker |Sent: 09 November 2008 20:29 |To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com |Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day | |I don't know of any website for photos. | |What I had in mind was just the name, regiment, where born, |where died, and the dates. Just so that we "Remember". | |Does anyone else know of a website ??? | |Barb. | |>>>>----- Original Message ----- |From: "SarahReveley" <sarahreveley@grandecom.net<<<<<< | | |------------------------------- |To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to |ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word |'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body |of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:30:46 -0000 From: "DOROTHY WILLIAMS" <dotw@talktalk.net> Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Lest we forget To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001c01c942b2$73d01b40$1c59954e@DotWilliams> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well now, Sarah, you've got me going again! Here are my blood relatives who fell in the Great War. I dont think my family unusual in any way. The only one I've always known about was my mother's brother, Isaac Wren. The others I have picked up over the years from doing family history. Whenever I find a boy born between say, 1880-ish and 1900, I always check to see if they served and if they survived or not. Boys born in this time slot are the ones who went to battle, by and large. You've probably all got more than you think, you've just got to look for them. 17178 Pte Isaac WREN, 8 / East Yorkshire Regt, KIA 26/9/1915. aged 17, Battle of Loos. Remembered on the Loos Memorial. (My mother's brother). His story is on Steve Scott's site "Keswick at war". 49383 Pte Isaac HARTLEY, 2/5 King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regt), KIA 28/9/1918, aged 21. Battle of the Canal du Nord. Buried Anneux British Cemetery. 266541 Spr. William HARRIS, 96th Light Railway Operating Coy, Royal Engineers, KIA 30/12/1917, aged 22. Buried Hadra War Memorial Cemetery, Alexandria. 23487 Pte. Lancelot HARRIS, 10 / Royal Welsh Fusiliers, KIA 13/11/1916, during the last of the Battles of the Somme (Battle of the Ancre), aged 25. Remembered on the Thiepval Memorial. Brother to William. 9087 Pte. James PARK, Coldstream Guards, DOW 17/9/1914, Battle of the Aisne, aged 21. Grave subsequently lost. Remembered on La Ferte Sous Jouarre Memorial. 11239 Pte. Norman Atkinson GRISDALE, 6 / Border Regt, wounded at Gallipoli, taken to Cairo, DOW Cairo, aged 20. Buried Cairo War Memorial Cemetery. 2nd Lt Herbert Edward LEYLAND, 179th Tunnelling Coy, Royal Engineers. DOW 17/10/1917, aged 38. Buried Dozinghem Military Cemetery. 83033 Spr. John MARSHALL, 105th Field Coy, Royal Engineers, KIA 10/4/1918, aged 22, Battle of the Lys. Remembered on the Ploegsteert Memorial. 7369 Pte. Arthur HEBBLETHWAITE, York & Lancaster Regt, wounded during the Battle of the Aisne, evacuated to Blighty, DOW 29/10/1914, aged 30. Buried Norton Cemetery, Sheffield. 13970 Pte. Albert SMITH, 9 / Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, KIA 16/9/1916, during another of the Somme Battles (Battle of Flers), aged 34. Remembered on the Thiepval Memorial. Albert was born Herbert Hebblethwaite (brother to Arthur, and both brothers to my grandfather). Albert had committed some abomination before the war, we dont know what, but enlisted and died under an alias. 32561 Rn. Francis Edward CAZALY, 8 / Kings Royal Rifle Corps, KIA 11/10/1917, aged 30. Remembered on the Tyne Cot Memorial. 8937 Pte. George Leonard CAZALY, 4 / Royal Fusiliers, KIA 25/4/1916, aged 19. Buried Kemmel Chateau Mlitary Cemetery. Brother to Francis. 202852 Pte. Fred Burns DOCKERAY, 1 / Border Regt, KIA 15/10/1918, aged 23. Buried Dadizeele New British Cemetery. 307666 Pte William BARWISE, 1/8/ Sherwood Forresters (Notts & Derby Regt), KIA 23/4/1917 during the Battle of Arras. Remembered on the Arras Memorial. WW2 Joseph Eric HURDING, went down with HMS "Daring", 18/2/1940. Remembered on the Portsmouth Naval Memorial. 7623468 Pte Tom WREN, RAOC, died 7/1/1943, aged 23. Buried Enfidaville War Cemetery. When I visited Fred Dockeray's grave in September, close by was Gunner Crouch. What was written on his tombstone just about says it all "Forget me not. My summer days soon passed away". Dorothy. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:10:23 -0000 From: "Shirley Tebay" <shirley.tebay@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Lest we forget To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <008901c942b7$f737fde0$0200a8c0@acer56fb35423d> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Good evening List, although this is meant primarily for Dorothy, it may be of interest to some other Listers. A few years ago Jack Hill from Sedbergh ( Billy Tebay's nephew) began to research the men on the Sedbergh War Memorial and he gave me all his notes. >From these I added to them some military details but mainly family histories of each man plus their photos and eventually made them into a "book" using plastic pockets and Lever Arch files. 4 were made. One is lodged with the Sedbergh and District History Society, 1 with Sedbergh School, another copy was given to Jack Hill ( now deceased) and I have a 4th copy. This was just WW1. Jack also covered WW2 but felt it too recent to be "published" just yet. Every year since then we have held an exhibition in one or more shop windows in Sedbergh during Armistice week This year the War Memorial at Sedbergh was restored and some missing names added. It was re-dedicated today. A group of us from the History Society are embarking on producing a series of 3 booklets on the War Memorials starting with Sedbergh, then Dent and finally Garsdale, Cautley and Howgill. These will eventually go on sale and the profits given to the British Legion. I am aware that Sedbergh was in Yorkshire but I know there are several Listers with ancestors from thereabouts. Constantly remembering them Shirley ( from Dent) ----- Original Message ----- From: "DOROTHY WILLIAMS" <dotw@talktalk.net> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Lest we forget > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:18:46 -0600 From: "SarahReveley" <sarahreveley@grandecom.net> Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] "To Awaken Remembrance" To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8360610EE3F645B591891497DC12B22E@DellOpti> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.picturetrail.com/sarahstravels Just put my Cumbria Great War memorials at my sarahstravels website, first album. I have more but not in time for tomorrow. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:32:37 -0600 From: "SarahReveley" <sarahreveley@grandecom.net> Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Oh! Tempora - Oh! Mores! To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <336DCBF58202493794D32CD4893A881A@DellOpti> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original circa 1778: For the CUMBERLAND PACQUET The following lines were written by a Youth who came from America to England, for Education: and now detained on Account of the present disturbances. Oh! Tempora - Oh! Mores! LONG have I labour'd big with anxious Care, Rack'd by two passions, Hope and dull Despair; Far from my Kindred and my native Home, Doom'd a sad Exile, in strange Lands to roam: Not the soft language of a feeling Friend, To ease my sorrows one sad sigh to lend; Nought but fell rumours of a horrid War, Of slaughter'd Thousands, and of civil Jar; Of bleeding Heroes, and of death-bed Groans, The Shrieks of Orphans, and the Widows Moans ; Of Fathers weltering in their Children's Gore; All is Distraction and confus'd Uproar! Such Ills, alas ! - what pious Soul can name, And not be struck with Dread and inward Shame! That Men, like Beasts, should on each other prey, In search of Honours and imperial Sway; A Heap of Bubbles, that are blown away! O thou Almighty! hear a Suppliant's Pray'r, And place a Period to a Load of Care; Let Peace and Plenty now, once more abound, The Bow be broke, the Trumpet cease to sound . St. Bees [i] Actual copy of newspaper; Kendal Record Office, Reveley folder. Samuel Reveley, the Vicar of Crosby Ravensworth, Westmorland, emigrated to America in 1765 as a youth with his family. In 1775 he was sent back to England to attend St. Bees. The family hadn't dreamed that the next year the American Revolution would keep Samuel from returning home to Woodend. In 1778, this poem appeared in the Cumberland Pacquet. The words "Mr Reveley" were added in pen and ink to the copy in the Reveley folder. ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-WESTMORLAND list administrator, send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ENG-WESTMORLAND mailing list, send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-WESTMORLAND Digest, Vol 3, Issue 206 ***********************************************