> Hello Listers, > > Could anyone shed light on this couple:- > > FreeBMD - Marriage Sept Q 1876 at Cockermouth ref 10b 757 between Gilbert > GREENALL and Eugenia Marie MATTIE. The district Cockermouth spans the > boundaries of the counties of Cumbria and Cumberland > > The Times, Friday, Jul 28, 1876; pg. 1; Issue 28693; col A, Marriages > On Tuesday, the 25th inst, (25 July 1876) at Crosthwaite Church, > Cumberland, by the Rev. Thomas Greenall, Rector of Grappenhall, and the > Rev. Richard Greenall, Vicar of Stockton Heath, Cheshire, brothers of the > bridegroom, assisted by the Rev. Canon Gibbs, Vicar of Crosthwaite, > GILBERT GREENALL, Esq., of Old Rectory, Grappenhall, Cheshire, to EUGENIE, > MARIE, daughter of Col MATILE, Royal Malta Fencible Artillery. > > We cannot find their births, her parents or the 1881 census listing. > > Help please! > > Kind regards > > Bronwen and David > > > > ------------------------------------- > Have a look at the surname list at www.dfnoble.com/CULnames. If you wish > to add you own areas of research, please email the group. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CUMBERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From that it is possible that Gilbert originated in Cheshire, there is a Gilbert Greenall birth registered Runcorn Cheshire in the Dec Quarter 1852 along with Richard Greenall and Elizabeth Greenall, barring the possibility of triplets that seems a bit strange, but it may be worth while getting the birth certificate for that Gilbert. Their marriage certificate which should be available from the GRO or from Cockermouth Records Office should throw some light on her Father, by the look of the name and the details it seems quite possible she was not English. Whilst it seems the Greenall's were Clergy her family seem military so the possibility of them living and meeting overseas can not be overlooked. I can only find one Matile in the censuses who is French and a few Mattie's all of which appear to be of French Origin in the Channel Islands. I am not sure what the connection with Cockermouth would be. John -----Original Message----- From: David Hughlock [mailto:David@hughlock.co.uk] Sent: 26 April 2009 13:48 To: WESTMORLAND mailing LIST Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Fw: HELP 1881 lookup please > Hello Listers, > > Could anyone shed light on this couple:- > > FreeBMD - Marriage Sept Q 1876 at Cockermouth ref 10b 757 between Gilbert > GREENALL and Eugenia Marie MATTIE. The district Cockermouth spans the > boundaries of the counties of Cumbria and Cumberland > > The Times, Friday, Jul 28, 1876; pg. 1; Issue 28693; col A, Marriages > On Tuesday, the 25th inst, (25 July 1876) at Crosthwaite Church, > Cumberland, by the Rev. Thomas Greenall, Rector of Grappenhall, and the > Rev. Richard Greenall, Vicar of Stockton Heath, Cheshire, brothers of the > bridegroom, assisted by the Rev. Canon Gibbs, Vicar of Crosthwaite, > GILBERT GREENALL, Esq., of Old Rectory, Grappenhall, Cheshire, to EUGENIE, > MARIE, daughter of Col MATILE, Royal Malta Fencible Artillery. > > We cannot find their births, her parents or the 1881 census listing. > > Help please! > > Kind regards > > Bronwen and David > > > > ------------------------------------- > Have a look at the surname list at www.dfnoble.com/CULnames. If you wish > to add you own areas of research, please email the group. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CUMBERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This might be of some help. Eddie 1871 census Grappenhall: Village Rectory: Thomas Greenall (Rector) abt 1824 Budworth, Cheshire, England Head Grappenhall, Cheshire Laura Sophia Greenall abt 1842 Keithorp, Yorkshire, England Wife Grappenhall, Cheshire Thomas Herbert Greenall abt 1864 Grappenhall, Cheshire, England Son Grappenhall, Cheshire Cyril Edwd Greenall abt 1867 Grappenhall, Cheshire, England Son Grappenhall, Cheshire Laura Helen Greenall abt 1870 Grappenhall, Cheshire, England Daughter Grappenhall, Cheshire Old Rectory Cottage: Helen Greenall abt 1798 MacClesfield, Cheshire, England Head Grappenhall, Cheshire Gilbert Greenall Junr. abt 1832 Wilderspool, Cheshire, England Son Grappenhall, Cheshire Plus servants In earlier censuses Gilbert is not described as junior. He was a wine merchant and was unmarried and still living with his mum at the age of 39 in 1971. Why he should be called junior when his father's name was Thomas I don't know. 1861 census Grappenhall: Rectory: Thomas Greenall (Rector) abt 1824 Appleton, Cheshire, England Head Grappenhall, Cheshire Isabella Greenall abt 1831 Appleton, Cheshire, England Sister Grappenhall, Cheshire Grappenhall Hall: Helen Greenall abt 1799 MacClesfield, Cheshire, England Head Grappenhall, Cheshire Gilbert Greenall (wine merchant) abt 1833 Appleton, Cheshire, England Son Grappenhall, Cheshire James Greenall abt 1835 Appleton, Cheshire, England Son Grappenhall, Cheshire John Greenall abt 1837 Appleton, Cheshire, England Son Grappenhall, Cheshire Eliza Greenall abt 1839 Appleton, Cheshire, England Daughter Grappenhall, Cheshire Frederick Greenall abt 1842 Appleton, Cheshire, England Son Grappenhall, Cheshire Plus lots of servants. 1851 census: Grappenhall Hall: Helen Greenall abt 1800 Prestbury, Cheshire, England Head Grappenhall, Cheshire Thomas Greenall (Rector of Grappenhall) abt 1824 Great Budworth, Cheshire, England Son Grappenhall, Cheshire Isabella Greenall abt 1829 Great Budworth, Cheshire, England Daughter Grappenhall, Cheshire Gilbert Greenall (listed as brewer) abt 1833 Great Budworth, Cheshire, England Son Grappenhall, Cheshire John Greenall abt 1837 Great Budworth, Cheshire, England Son Grappenhall, Cheshire Eliza Greenall abt 1839 Great Budworth, Cheshire, England Daughter Grappenhall, Cheshire 1841 census: Wilderpool, Pt of Appleton township, Budworth: Thomas Greenall (brewer) abt 1796 Cheshire, England Great Budworth, Cheshire Ellen Greenall abt 1801 Cheshire, England Great Budworth, Cheshire Edmond Greenall abt 1821 Cheshire, England Great Budworth, Cheshire Ellen Greenall abt 1826 Cheshire, England Great Budworth, Cheshire Gilbert Greenall abt 1832 Cheshire, England Great Budworth, Cheshire James Greenall abt 1834 Cheshire, England Great Budworth, Cheshire John Greenall abt 1836 Cheshire, England Great Budworth, Cheshire Eliza Greenall abt 1839 Cheshire, England Great Budworth, Cheshire Fredrick Greenall abt 1841 Cheshire, England Great Budworth, Cheshire 1861 census: Richard Greenall (Curate of Grappenhall) abt 1830 Gt Budworth, Cheshire, England Head Latchford, Cheshire Emily Greenall abt 1833 Ireland Wife Latchford, Cheshire Emily E Greenall abt 1860 St Helens, Lancashire, England Daughter Latchford, Cheshire > > >> Hello Listers, >> >> Could anyone shed light on this couple:- >> >> FreeBMD - Marriage Sept Q 1876 at Cockermouth ref 10b 757 between Gilbert >> GREENALL and Eugenia Marie MATTIE. The district Cockermouth spans the >> boundaries of the counties of Cumbria and Cumberland >> >> The Times, Friday, Jul 28, 1876; pg. 1; Issue 28693; col A, Marriages >> On Tuesday, the 25th inst, (25 July 1876) at Crosthwaite Church, >> Cumberland, by the Rev. Thomas Greenall, Rector of Grappenhall, and the >> Rev. Richard Greenall, Vicar of Stockton Heath, Cheshire, brothers of the >> bridegroom, assisted by the Rev. Canon Gibbs, Vicar of Crosthwaite, >> GILBERT GREENALL, Esq., of Old Rectory, Grappenhall, Cheshire, to >> EUGENIE, >> MARIE, daughter of Col MATILE, Royal Malta Fencible Artillery. >> >> We cannot find their births, her parents or the 1881 census listing. >> >> Help please! >> >> Kind regards >> >> Bronwen and David

And one more for luck: 1871: Richard Greenall (Vicar of Hawkeshead) abt 1830 Wilderspool, Cheshire, England Head Hawkshead, Lancashire Emily Greenall abt 1834 Ireland Wife Hawkshead, Lancashire Emily Edith Greenall abt 1860 St Helens, Lancashire, England Daughter Hawkshead, Lancashire Arthur R Greenall abt 1864 Latchford, Cheshire, England Son Hawkshead, Lancashire Amy Helen Greenall abt 1866 Latchford, Cheshire, England Daughter Hawkshead, Lancashire > >> Hello Listers, >> >> Could anyone shed light on this couple:- >> >> FreeBMD - Marriage Sept Q 1876 at Cockermouth ref 10b 757 between Gilbert >> GREENALL and Eugenia Marie MATTIE. The district Cockermouth spans the >> boundaries of the counties of Cumbria and Cumberland >> >> The Times, Friday, Jul 28, 1876; pg. 1; Issue 28693; col A, Marriages >> On Tuesday, the 25th inst, (25 July 1876) at Crosthwaite Church, >> Cumberland, by the Rev. Thomas Greenall, Rector of Grappenhall, and the >> Rev. Richard Greenall, Vicar of Stockton Heath, Cheshire, brothers of the >> bridegroom, assisted by the Rev. Canon Gibbs, Vicar of Crosthwaite, >> GILBERT GREENALL, Esq., of Old Rectory, Grappenhall, Cheshire, to >> EUGENIE, >> MARIE, daughter of Col MATILE, Royal Malta Fencible Artillery. >> >> We cannot find their births, her parents or the 1881 census listing. >> >> Help please! >> >> Kind regards >> >> Bronwen and David