Many thanks John for this very interesting explanation. Frances Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eng-westmorland-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2010 6:26 PM To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-WESTMORLAND Digest, Vol 5, Issue 19 Today's Topics: 1. Re: DAWES (John Steel Genealogy) 2. Re: DAWES (Jane Taylor) 3. Re: DAWES (Liz Owen) 4. Re: DAWES (Liz Owen) 5. Re: DAWES (Jane Taylor) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:56:32 +0200 From: "John Steel Genealogy" <fh@johnsteel.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <00b001ca9eca$0ce4e3f0$26aeabd0$@co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jane Windermere is the parish, which also includes Ambleside (part of). The town of Windermere today which is essentially around the railway station essentially originates from the mid 1847 when the railway was built. There was not a lot there prior to that, most of the residences would have been at Bowness (Now Bowness on Windermere). I think in records you will find that area and Bowness referred to the township or constablewick of Undermillbeck or Applethwaite, the other two townships of the parish are Troutbeck and Ambleside. So if you want to know where to look today, high street today is in Windermere, in 1880 Windermere was there but more likely for records purposes High Street would be said to be in Applethwaite. The division between Applethwaite and Undermillbeck is the Mill Beck which runs east to west about half a mile south of Windermere railway station. Windermere is mainly in Applethwaite, Bowness is totally in Undermillbeck. High street runs south west of Windermere Railway station I am not sure if that helps or confuses the issue John -----Original Message----- From: Jane Taylor [mailto:janetaylor21@ntlworld.com] Sent: 26 January 2010 22:10 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES I know that, but Windermere today is different today. So which now a days today do I have to search and visit? Jane in Redcar ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:07:26 -0000 From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAANGANE8AsKFImnsW7bfBRxvCgAAAEAAAAOcChSJiQ0FNkogRdgmf WxABAAAAAA==@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks John, How wonderfully explained and how wonderfully confusing..!!!!! March time when we`re over there we`ll see if we can sort it out! Makes you wonder if I have trouble sorting this out how our friends in other countries sort things out!!!!!! Many, many thanks, Jane in Redcar -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Steel Genealogy Sent: 26 January 2010 20:57 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES Jane Windermere is the parish, which also includes Ambleside (part of). The town of Windermere today which is essentially around the railway station essentially originates from the mid 1847 when the railway was built. There was not a lot there prior to that, most of the residences would have been at Bowness (Now Bowness on Windermere). I think in records you will find that area and Bowness referred to the township or constablewick of Undermillbeck or Applethwaite, the other two townships of the parish are Troutbeck and Ambleside. So if you want to know where to look today, high street today is in Windermere, in 1880 Windermere was there but more likely for records purposes High Street would be said to be in Applethwaite. The division between Applethwaite and Undermillbeck is the Mill Beck which runs east to west about half a mile south of Windermere railway station. Windermere is mainly in Applethwaite, Bowness is totally in Undermillbeck. High street runs south west of Windermere Railway station I am not sure if that helps or confuses the issue John -----Original Message----- From: Jane Taylor [mailto:janetaylor21@ntlworld.com] Sent: 26 January 2010 22:10 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES I know that, but Windermere today is different today. So which now a days today do I have to search and visit? Jane in Redcar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:32:19 +0100 From: "Liz Owen" <l.owen@free.fr> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <FC9AF6E48CF74910A220AFF8C4924319@OrdiTwo> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Look, try Google Maps. High Street is in Windermere, not Bowness. Alternatively, get in your car, on a bus, or the train, and go to the Tourist Office which is just next door to the Railway Station and ask for a map. There is plenty of info about Windermere past and present. You are complicating something which is not that difficult Liz Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >I know that, but Windermere today is different today. So which now a days > today do I have to search and visit? > Jane in Redcar > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Owen > Sent: 26 January 2010 20:00 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > It's in Windermere; try Google! > > Liz Owen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Stuart" <nf.stuart@btinternet.com> > To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > >>A cheque will do fine :) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor >> Sent: 26 January 2010 19:37 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> Thanks to Nick, it made me look at my notes again. Looks like I was >> barking >> up the wrong tree! Seems I ought to be looking at 14 & 16 High Street, >> Windermere, not Applethwaite. >> >> Applethwaite was the ecclesiastical district. Thanks again Nick for >> making >> me look again. >> >> The question is now where is High Street Windermere? Is it Bowness or >> elsewhere? >> >> Many thanks for those who may guide me in the right direction. >> >> Jane in Redcar >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Stuart >> Sent: 25 January 2010 19:28 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> Jane, my 1881 Census has him as an Apprentice Butcher to a Robert Eades, >> his >> Uncle ? in Attercliffe Cum Darnall, Sheffield. He marries in 1883 in >> Chesterfield Reg District. What makes you believe he lived in >> "Applethwaite/Windermere around 1880" ? The reason I'm interested is that >> the only Applethwaite I know is near Keswick, Cumbria, where I used to >> live, >> between Derwent Water and Bassenthwaite Lake. >> Nick >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor >> Sent: 25 January 2010 18:50 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> Thank you, Nick. I know all this already. I am just hoping SOMEONE knows >> why >> he went there. I have all his certificates but it's the filling in the >> sandwich I would love. As far as I know there were no relatives over the >> west side of the country-most odd. I guess just one of those that will >> remain unanswered. >> >> Thanks again for your efforts, it is appreciated. >> >> Jane in Redcar >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nick Stuart >> Sent: 25 January 2010 16:28 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> >> Jane, I have located Haydon Bernard DAWES on the 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, >> 1901 and 1991 Census returns. Are these any use or do you know this >> already? >> Nick >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taylor >> Sent: 23 January 2010 16:50 >> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES >> Hi there, >> Can anyone help me with a DAWES problem? >> >> Haydn (and variations!) Bernard DAWES was a butcher from Derbyshire (born >> Ridgeway circa 1861) who appears to went to live in >> Applethwaite/Windermere >> around 1880. His daughter Lillian Ruth DAWES married a CLOUDSDALE. >> >> There was another daughter, Ida, but Haydon went on to be an auctioneer. >> I >> think he eventually went back to Derbyshire but died in Lancashire. His >> wife >> was Agnes nee BOLSOVER. >> >> Many thanks for any help no matter how trivial. >> >> Jane in Redcar >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:44:33 +0100 From: "Liz Owen" <l.owen@free.fr> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <C695B3C24BD342BB9E47485DBEE46CA1@OrdiTwo> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original TRy this - there is a map on this site http://www.a1tourism.com/uk/lakes.html Liz Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > Thanks John, > How wonderfully explained and how wonderfully confusing..!!!!! March time > when we`re over there we`ll see if we can sort it out! Makes you wonder if > I > have trouble sorting this out how our friends in other countries sort > things > out!!!!!! > > Many, many thanks, > Jane in Redcar > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Steel > Genealogy > Sent: 26 January 2010 20:57 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > Jane > Windermere is the parish, which also includes Ambleside (part of). > The town of Windermere today which is essentially around the railway > station > essentially originates from the mid 1847 when the railway was built. There > was not a lot there prior to that, most of the residences would have been > at > Bowness (Now Bowness on Windermere). > I think in records you will find that area and Bowness referred to the > township or constablewick of Undermillbeck or Applethwaite, the other two > townships of the parish are Troutbeck and Ambleside. > > So if you want to know where to look today, high street today is in > Windermere, in 1880 Windermere was there but more likely for records > purposes High Street would be said to be in Applethwaite. The division > between Applethwaite and Undermillbeck is the Mill Beck which runs east to > west about half a mile south of Windermere railway station. > > Windermere is mainly in Applethwaite, Bowness is totally in Undermillbeck. > > High street runs south west of Windermere Railway station > > I am not sure if that helps or confuses the issue > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Taylor [mailto:janetaylor21@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 26 January 2010 22:10 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > I know that, but Windermere today is different today. So which now a days > today do I have to search and visit? > Jane in Redcar > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:25:57 -0000 From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAANGANE8AsKFImnsW7bfBRxvCgAAAEAAAAPQwgvmjEPlLh5Hwgy3f aRQBAAAAAA==@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Liz, Will go over later in the year. Jane in Redcar -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Liz Owen Sent: 26 January 2010 21:45 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES TRy this - there is a map on this site http://www.a1tourism.com/uk/lakes.html Liz Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Taylor" <janetaylor21@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > Thanks John, > How wonderfully explained and how wonderfully confusing..!!!!! March time > when we`re over there we`ll see if we can sort it out! Makes you wonder if > I > have trouble sorting this out how our friends in other countries sort > things > out!!!!!! > > Many, many thanks, > Jane in Redcar > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Steel > Genealogy > Sent: 26 January 2010 20:57 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > Jane > Windermere is the parish, which also includes Ambleside (part of). > The town of Windermere today which is essentially around the railway > station > essentially originates from the mid 1847 when the railway was built. There > was not a lot there prior to that, most of the residences would have been > at > Bowness (Now Bowness on Windermere). > I think in records you will find that area and Bowness referred to the > township or constablewick of Undermillbeck or Applethwaite, the other two > townships of the parish are Troutbeck and Ambleside. > > So if you want to know where to look today, high street today is in > Windermere, in 1880 Windermere was there but more likely for records > purposes High Street would be said to be in Applethwaite. The division > between Applethwaite and Undermillbeck is the Mill Beck which runs east to > west about half a mile south of Windermere railway station. > > Windermere is mainly in Applethwaite, Bowness is totally in Undermillbeck. > > High street runs south west of Windermere Railway station > > I am not sure if that helps or confuses the issue > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Taylor [mailto:janetaylor21@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 26 January 2010 22:10 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] DAWES > > I know that, but Windermere today is different today. 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