my 4x great grandmother was Ann Airey. I have almost nothing on her-no birth date, parents names or death date. I do know that she m. on 28 Apr 1766 in Westmoreland (don't know the pariish or town/village) to Richard Atkinson who was chr. 6 Nov 1743 in Long Marton, Westmoreland. they had 4 children that I can find; Robert b. 10 Feb 1766 Brampton chr. 4 Dec 1766 (my ancestor) Richard chr. __ Mar 1770 Knock Mary chr. 19 Dec 1770 Esperlandhill Ann chr. 17 Feb 1774 Esperlandhill Robert m. 8 Jan 1800 in Kendal to Mary Aitken b. 10 Nov 1779 Kendal. Robert and Mary took most of their family to Baltimore, Maryland, USA in 1822. except for some of the American lineage, the above is pretty much all we know about the Atkinson family. Cornelia No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1637 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:01 AM

I have lots of AIREYs but they all come from Skerton plus one from Arkholme. Is this of any help? Brian -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tykess Sent: 30 August 2008 10:42 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] George AIREY Births Sep 1861 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Airey Emma Kendal 10b 576 ----- Original Message ----- From: "45plus commander" <bananaschool711@yahoo.com.au> To: <ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:31 AM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] George AIREY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Births Sep 1861 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Airey Emma Kendal 10b 576 ----- Original Message ----- From: "45plus commander" <bananaschool711@yahoo.com.au> To: <ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:31 AM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] George AIREY

I found this on the FreeBMD Marriages Jun 1859 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Airey George Kendal 10b 835 Atkinson John Kendal 10b 835 Gray Fanny Newmarket 10b 835 Smith Emma Kendal 10b 835 Taylor Ann Kendal 10b 835 ----- Original Message ----- From: "45plus commander" <bananaschool711@yahoo.com.au> To: <ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:31 AM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] George AIREY > Hi I am looking for any information regarding George AIREY b. 1836 > Strickland Kettle, he married an Emma possible last name KITCHEN but not > too certain of that. He had a daughter Emma (1862 in Holme) and other > possible daughters Agnes, Mary and Margaret. Any information regarding > George and his descendants would be warmly welcomed from a very cold South > Australia. > Cheers > Colleen

Colleen I have George Airey aged 5 in the 1841 census, living at Middle Plumbgarths, Strickland Kettle, Parents John 40 and Betty 40 , John was a farmer and not born in Westmorland. All children born in Middle Plumbgarths Betty 12 James 10 Thomas 7 George 5 Robert 2 George a Carter and Emma were married by 1861 and had a Daughter Elizabeth aged 1 and living at Dandy Row , Holme Westmorland, Emma was from Beetham, Yorkshire. Emma was born Circa 1832. By 1871 George and Emma had moved to Duke Street, Kirkby Lonsdale and George was still a Carter. There is no sign of Elizabeth, 11 would have been early to leave home but not impossible. There is an Elizabeth of the right age living as a servant in Milnethorpe who was born in Holme and I suspect this was her. Ema is there aged 9 and born in Holme Also born in Holme are John 7, Henry 5 and Agnes 2. George Airey appears to have married Emma Smith in Kendal in 1859, The marriage certificate would confirm if this marriage was indeed theirs. By 1881 George and Emma are back in Holme and George is now a Stone Mason.. Emma the daughter is with them aged 19 as is Agnes now aged 12. Additions are Mary S aged 9 and Margaret aged 7 also there are Granddaughter Margaret aged 3 months and Grandson George aged 3. Also there is niece Jane E Kitchen aged 23, so I can see where the Kitchen connection comes in, do you think that is Emma's family side or possibly Georges sisters child. If Emma's side then the marriage record may not be theirs and there could be another one. The one thing that concerns me is that George appears to have changed occupation, in 1861 and 1871 he was a Carter but in 1881 he was a Stone Mason, not impossible of course but needs to be checked, all the other details are too close a match for it to be anyone else really. George does not appear in the 1891 so I assume he must have died by then as he would have been 55 by then, nor does Emma who would have been 59. Hopefully that will give you enough to start work. John Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] George AIREY > Hi I am looking for any information regarding George AIREY b. 1836 > Strickland Kettle, he married an Emma possible last name KITCHEN but not > too certain of that. He had a daughter Emma (1862 in Holme) and other > possible daughters Agnes, Mary and Margaret. Any information regarding > George and his descendants would be warmly welcomed from a very cold South > Australia. > Cheers > Colleen

Hi Colleen, Sorry I can't help you with your ancestors but am curious. How cold is 'cold South Australia'? Alan -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of 45plus commander Sent: 30 August 2008 07:32 To: ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] George AIREY Hi I am looking for any information regarding George AIREY b. 1836 Strickland Kettle, he married an Emma possible last name KITCHEN but not too certain of that.  He had a daughter Emma (1862 in Holme) and other possible daughters Agnes, Mary and Margaret.  Any information regarding George and his descendants would be warmly welcomed from a very cold South Australia. Cheers Colleen Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I am looking for any information on William Peacock who married Mary Monkhouse at St Lawrence church Appleby in 1752, I think they may have had seven children but not sure on this Thanks Ken

Hi I am looking for any information regarding George AIREY b. 1836 Strickland Kettle, he married an Emma possible last name KITCHEN but not too certain of that.  He had a daughter Emma (1862 in Holme) and other possible daughters Agnes, Mary and Margaret.  Any information regarding George and his descendants would be warmly welcomed from a very cold South Australia. Cheers Colleen Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset

Is this him? It's his surname in this case. "The Revd John Cape Atty was licensed on the 11th April, 1807 following the death of John Kenworthy. It was in his period as incumbent that the next Articles of Enquiry show the changes that had occurred within the village and in the church during the intervening years from 1778 to the date of the Articles in 1811. By this time the number of houses had grown to an impressive four hundred and " the population of Staley Bridge and its environs had been computed at 3,000 Souls". Taken from http://www.stg.org.uk/Documents/twointo03.htm Eddie > > I am looking at a 1788 parish record (a marriage) and after the curate's > name that is John CAPE are the words ' Atty Curate'. Can someone please > tell > me what 'Atty' stands for? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1628 - Release Date: 8/22/2008 6:32 PM

Good Afternoon, I am looking at a 1788 parish record (a marriage) and after the curate's name that is John CAPE are the words ' Atty Curate'. Can someone please tell me what 'Atty' stands for? Many thanks. Anne Hanson

hi it is always worth checking with the county records office weather or not they alow you access to the original records if they have them. i know that hampshire does for some records and was able to see both the bishops transcripts and the church records for one curch! so contact them you never know judy> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:49:26 +0100> From: stephen.savage54@btopenworld.com> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] A Serious question...Church copies of registers> > Marg> > Many thanksI. I agree that once all registers are> online access will be better.> > The impression given of being able to view a register> at the church concerned as seen on the programme is> misleading!> > Stephen> > > Stephen Savage> > If you are not the intended recipient for this e mail please reply to sender accordingly and delete this e mail.> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marg Many thanksI. I agree that once all registers are online access will be better. The impression given of being able to view a register at the church concerned as seen on the programme is misleading! Stephen Stephen Savage If you are not the intended recipient for this e mail please reply to sender accordingly and delete this e mail.

Hi Stephen I think in the whole Parish Records are now kept in County Record Offices and they are not keen to let you handle them at all, which is not surprising. I would guess that Who Do You Think You are has mislead the general public by making sure that that particular book was taken out to the relevant church. One church St Peters in Wallsend Tyne & Wear has its parish records delivered from the Woodhorn Records office each September for Heretage Open Day weekend and returns them after this so that the members of the congregation and visitors can see what is really in fact their records, but this is the only one I know who does this and the Records office are not happy about this but are powerless to stop it. I know it is so frustrating when you hit this sort of problem as I have done this myself, with the Bishop Transcripts going online this has been a great help to all of us in Northumberland and Durham but they are not all there and that causes frustration too. Maybe one day this will be rectified by the Latter Day Saints who are trying to get more transcripts on line The Bishop Transcripts were kept with the Bishop of the County, I believe the Northumberland and Durham ones were with the university of Durham. Fingers crossed that they will come online for other counties in the near future then we will all have access to the information we crave without having to handle these precious documents. Hope this helps Marg --- Stephen Savage <stephen.savage54@btopenworld.com> wrote: > I recently visited Kedal record office and pored > over > microfiche of parish records..only to find > significant > parts of whole pages were illegible due to what look > like large ink splodges.These parts were sometimes > the > very periods I needed! > > If the microfiche is illegible-is there a further > copy > available in some churches-accessible by consent of > a > friendly (?) vicar > > On the BBC programme "Who do you think you are" > (UK) > last week I noted the descendant poring over a > church > copy of an early 19C register for information on her > great great grandparent. > > Are duplicates of the Bishops transcripts still held > at some churches. If so--does anyone have experience > of this in terms of helpfulness of > vicars/legibility? > > Stephen > > Stephen Savage > > If you are not the intended recipient for this e > mail please reply to sender accordingly and delete > this e mail. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message >

I recently visited Kedal record office and pored over microfiche of parish records..only to find significant parts of whole pages were illegible due to what look like large ink splodges.These parts were sometimes the very periods I needed! If the microfiche is illegible-is there a further copy available in some churches-accessible by consent of a friendly (?) vicar On the BBC programme "Who do you think you are" (UK) last week I noted the descendant poring over a church copy of an early 19C register for information on her great great grandparent. Are duplicates of the Bishops transcripts still held at some churches. If so--does anyone have experience of this in terms of helpfulness of vicars/legibility? Stephen Stephen Savage If you are not the intended recipient for this e mail please reply to sender accordingly and delete this e mail.

Jeremy Bishop wrote: > I suggest you look at GENUKI and the Cumbria Archive Service websites. > Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious. :-) On the Cornwall lists we are always encouraging people to use GENUKI as a first step in discovering things. I have duly rapped myself on the knuckles and will now do as you suggest. > For Westmorland at least, the GENUKI Westmorland parish pages show the > availability of known records, e.g. for Temple Sowerby they state: "The > parish records and BTs are held at the Kendal Record Office of Cumbria > Archives Service. The Record Office reference is WPR81." > A trip to Kendal seems to be on the agenda. Another lister did suggest that Kendal may have copies of a goodly proportion of the Cumberland records so I might do Kendal first and then Carlisle as a secondary trip if I have time. -- ==== Michael Lightfoot Canberra, Australia OPC Merther & St Clement, Cornwall see http://www.cornwall-opc.org michael.lightfoot@pcug.org.au ====

Michael Lightfoot wrote: > I've been half-following the various threads relating to visiting Carlisle but > as the subject line doesn't really tell much (yes folks, if the subject of a > thread changes the subject line should change as well!) I'm starting a new > thread which probably covers some of what has been discussed... > > I will be visiting Cumbria in mid-September and hope to spend one day doing > parish record and other research but I'm not quite sure where the records > will be. The earliest records (1700-1750) will be the BURN family from > Alston, Cumberland but one generation later they are around Temple Sowerby, > Westmorland and nearby areas of Cumberland. > > Will all these records be at Carlisle or do I have to go somewhere else for > the Westmorland records? > > I'd also like some advice on the best day/time of day to use the relevant > records offfice(s). > Michael, I suggest you look at GENUKI and the Cumbria Archive Service websites. For Westmorland at least, the GENUKI Westmorland parish pages show the availability of known records, e.g. for Temple Sowerby they state: "The parish records and BTs are held at the Kendal Record Office of Cumbria Archives Service. The Record Office reference is WPR81." http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/index.html The Cumbria Archive Service has an online catalogue; the results for each reference will show which repository the material is held at, and if there are any special access conditions. http://www.cumbria.gov.uk/archives/Online_catalogues/default.asp http://www.cumbria.gov.uk/archives/recordoffices/default.asp Regards, Jeremy

I've been half-following the various threads relating to visiting Carlisle but as the subject line doesn't really tell much (yes folks, if the subject of a thread changes the subject line should change as well!) I'm starting a new thread which probably covers some of what has been discussed... I will be visiting Cumbria in mid-September and hope to spend one day doing parish record and other research but I'm not quite sure where the records will be. The earliest records (1700-1750) will be the BURN family from Alston, Cumberland but one generation later they are around Temple Sowerby, Westmorland and nearby areas of Cumberland. Will all these records be at Carlisle or do I have to go somewhere else for the Westmorland records? I'd also like some advice on the best day/time of day to use the relevant records offfice(s). -- ==== Michael Lightfoot Canberra, Australia OPC Merther & St Clement, Cornwall see http://www.cornwall-opc.org michael.lightfoot@pcug.org.au ====

Warning! I have just visited the Kendal Record Office to view some old papers. Having travelled over 300 miles to get there I previously sent an email giving notice of my request so the papers could be exhumed. I did not receive the usual acknowledgement to my email -and the Kendal staff helpfully spent a while searching for my email making no mention of the email receipt problem-internal County Council communication to front line staff in Kendal appears poor! My email was not received-and no papers dug up!As the weather is very wet up there at present- my time could have used to useful effect! On my return I noted the web page of CCC Archives office in Carlisle office web page warns that they are not currently receiving emails from free email addresses...! This applies I now suspect to Kendal and I guess Barrow? My attempts to email Kendal (and Carlisle !) today failed. Message warns: "For technical reasons we are currently unable to receive many emails sent from freemail accounts (eg Yahoomail and Hotmail). Please take a note of an alternate contact method. We apologise for the inconvience this may cause you." Be on notice: if you try to email Cumbria County Council Archives-your email may not get through! Regards Stephen Stephen Savage If you are not the intended recipient for this e mail please reply to sender accordingly and delete this e mail.

There are some Kendal marriages on the LDS site in batches M396494 to M396498. These are not listed on the Hugh Wallis' website, which now appears to be out of date being last updated on 20th April 2002 ! Derek. ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Campbell Blair To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Kendal Marriage Registers pre 1837 >I had relied on Hugh Wallis' website for the Kendal christening and marriage records. There are plenty of batches for christenings but none listed for marriages. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Bishop" <jeremyb@pcug.org.au> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Kendal Marriage Registers pre 1837 > Helen Campbell Blair wrote: >> Can anyone tell me if there is a source for pre 1837 Kendal marriage >> records. >> I notice that the LDS does not seem to have any marriages and the >> FindMyPast site provides only 1837, or later, records. >> Thanks kindly, >> Helen >> > > Helen, > > Not sure where you got your LDS information, but a quick search of the > LDS Family History Library catalog shows Parish Registers for Kendal C > of E parish going back to 1558 (some years missing), and Bishop's > Transcripts for the same back to 1721. > > The original records for Kendal are held by the Cumbria Archive Service; > you can find their online catalog at: > > http://www.cumbria.gov.uk/archives/Online_catalogues/default.asp > > Regards, > Jeremy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They are available on film from the LDS though. Check out "Library Catalogue" & Kendal as place name, Jenny AUS Looking for ROBINSON, Thomas & Margaret THOMPSON who married 1791 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Campbell Blair" <hblair@cogeco.ca> To: <ENG-WESTMORLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 4:55 AM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Kendal Marriage Registers pre 1837 > Can anyone tell me if there is a source for pre 1837 Kendal marriage > records. > I notice that the LDS does not seem to have any marriages and the > FindMyPast site provides only 1837, or later, records. > Thanks kindly, > Helen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >