Hi Does anyone know where Birks was/is un Underbarrow. Possibly near Nook/ Underbarow church? Reserarching the Dennison family Reagrds Stephen Stephen Savage   If you are not the intended recipient for this e mail please reply to sender accordingly and delete this e mail.

Maria I think I have them in the 1851 Census. Richard Lloyd, Gardener Aged 39 Born Wrexham Derby (That seems strange and Wrexham is not Derby) and Isabella 30 Born Werester(?) Westmorland. He is a Gardener and they are both living Dingle Lane, Toxteth Park, Lancashire (Now part of Liverpool). I don't recognise Werester or what it could possibly be, I can't read the original but it certainly seems to begin with W and end with ter. Looks like they must have sailed out between early 1851 and whenever the son was born in 1853. I have not had chance to look in the 1841 yet, but will do so later when I get time. John. -----Original Message----- From: Maria Thomas [mailto:mnmthomas@hotmail.com] Sent: 24 September 2008 04:10 To: ENG-WESTMORLAND Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Lloyd & Newby Family's abt 1848 Hi everyone Newie to this list, I am looking for further information on Richard LLOYD and Isabella NEWBY's families. I have a copy of their marriage certificate in 1848 at Winderemere, Westmoreland. The next thing I have is a birth of a son in Sydney in 1853. I am trying to narrow the year in which they sailed. Richard LLOYD b abt 1812 in Derbyshire?, Wales (daughter's birth cert) or Liverpool, England (death cert but informant is not related). His occupation on Marriage & in Australia was Gardener (may be he worked with Isabella's father). Father - John LLOYD - Coachman, Mother - Alice HARDIMAN. Any info on where he was born or siblings would be appreciated. Isabella NEWBY b abt 1820 Westmoreland. Father - James NEWBY - Gardener, Mother - Alice (surname may be HARRISON). Any info on where he was born or siblings would be appreciated. So would anyone have access to the 1841 or 1851 Census? Or anything else that may give me clues. Thank youMariaNSW, Australia _________________________________________________________________ Win a Hotmail Go-Kart to race at Bathurst. Enter today! http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4602 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maria Richard Lloyd was born in Wrexham Denbighshire, and his Wife Isabella Newby was born in Winster Westmorland, I hope this helps you Ken

Will The 1891 census has 8 Brunskill's in Westmorland under the age of 5, but none are James or Matthew. The same census has 6 Brunskill's in Cumberland under the age of 5, there is no Matthew but there is a James aged 1, son of Richard (Born Kirkby Stephen) and Isabella (Born Skirwith), he has siblings as follows all born in Skirwith: Hannah 11 John 9 Richard 7 Margaret 5 Thomas 3 In 1891 they are all living in Newtown Penrith. In fact there is no Matthew Brunskill at all in any county in the 1891 census. That's about all I can deduce from my information on the 1891 census. Regards John ----Original Message----- From: Will Brunskill [mailto:brunskills@t-online.de] Sent: 17 September 2008 18:59 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] (Eng-Westmorland)1891 census Hi John I have Matthew James's descendents but I am unsure of who his parents or siblings were. It was a name that showed up in my family occasionaly so I was curious if there was a connection. Any data you can provide would be appreciated. Will Brunskill Sunny Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Steel Genealogy" <fh@johnsteel.co.uk> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] (Eng-Westmorland)1891 census > Will > There is no Matthew Brunskill in the 1891 for Westmorland, there is a one > year old James in Cumberland (Skirwith). > Do you have any further information? > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Brunskill [mailto:brunskills@t-online.de] > Sent: 15 September 2008 21:06 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] (Eng-Westmorland)1891 census > > Hello to all, I am hoping someone can help me I am looking for a Matthew > James Brunskill on the 1891 census. I believe he was born abt 1890. Any > help > > would be appreciated. Will Brunskill, in very cool Germany > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Impressed" means conscripted - especially into the navy (often done unfairly and many men were tricked in one way or another). Heather Law ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] GENERAL EVENING POST, Saturday September 14,1745 / DESERTERS > Very Interesting, Blair ! I originally "saved" this article because of > the > HUTCHINSON, Penryth a Tayler, age 40 entry, since this is where many of my > HUTCHINSONs were. > > Would you know the meaning of the title IMPRESS'D MEN ? > > Barb, Ontario, Canada. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for home users. SPAMfighter has removed 2114 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

If you take things a bit further and go from 'impressed' to 'press' as in Press Gang, what you get in Shirley's account is awfully civilised, as the Press Gangs in port towns would routinely bash the unsuspecting on the head before hauling him aboard one of HM vessels without so much as a 'by your leave' Liz Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Tebay" <shirley.tebay@btinternet.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] GENERAL EVENING POST, Saturday September 14,1745 / DESERTERS > Hi Barb, > Impressed men were men who had been forced into joining the Army or Navy. > A > soldier was paid a shilling a day and in order to become a soldier/sailor > had to accept the King's shilling. Unscrupulous recruitment parties would > tour the inns and taverns and slip the shilling into ale glasses thus the > unsuspecting man would finish his ale and fish out the shilling - and that > was it. He was manhandled off to barracks. This created a trend for > glass > bottomed ale tankards in which a man could see if anything unwanted had > been > deposited in his beer. Small wonder there were so many deserters. > Cheers > Shirley in Dent where we have sunshine for the first time in ages ! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> > To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] GENERAL EVENING POST, Saturday September > 14,1745 / DESERTERS > > >> Very Interesting, Blair ! I originally "saved" this article because of >> the >> HUTCHINSON, Penryth a Tayler, age 40 entry, since this is where many of >> my >> HUTCHINSONs were. >> >> Would you know the meaning of the title IMPRESS'D MEN ? >> >> Barb, Ontario, Canada. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Barb, Impressed men were men who had been forced into joining the Army or Navy. A soldier was paid a shilling a day and in order to become a soldier/sailor had to accept the King's shilling. Unscrupulous recruitment parties would tour the inns and taverns and slip the shilling into ale glasses thus the unsuspecting man would finish his ale and fish out the shilling - and that was it. He was manhandled off to barracks. This created a trend for glass bottomed ale tankards in which a man could see if anything unwanted had been deposited in his beer. Small wonder there were so many deserters. Cheers Shirley in Dent where we have sunshine for the first time in ages ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] GENERAL EVENING POST, Saturday September 14,1745 / DESERTERS > Very Interesting, Blair ! I originally "saved" this article because of > the > HUTCHINSON, Penryth a Tayler, age 40 entry, since this is where many of my > HUTCHINSONs were. > > Would you know the meaning of the title IMPRESS'D MEN ? > > Barb, Ontario, Canada. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From St. Martins Church in the Parish of Windermere, Westmoreland... WILLIAM ASHBURNER: Born on Tuesday the 14? Day of April 1779. Baptized on Sunday the 19th day of of May 1779. FATHER: William Ashburner of Bownas, Cordwainer, son of George Ashburner of Grasmere, Yeoman by Anne his wife daughter of Frances Benson of Grasmere, Yeoman. MOTHER: Mary daughter of Richard Dawes of Bownass, Yeoman by Dorothy daughter of Francis Knipe, Husbandman. _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

Thank you, Shirley. HAHAHAHA.....I can see why the men would not be ' impressed ' with this method. Barb.

Very Interesting, Blair ! I originally "saved" this article because of the HUTCHINSON, Penryth a Tayler, age 40 entry, since this is where many of my HUTCHINSONs were. Would you know the meaning of the title IMPRESS'D MEN ? Barb, Ontario, Canada.

Hi John I have Matthew James's descendents but I am unsure of who his parents or siblings were. It was a name that showed up in my family occasionaly so I was curious if there was a connection. Any data you can provide would be appreciated. Will Brunskill Sunny Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Steel Genealogy" <fh@johnsteel.co.uk> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] (Eng-Westmorland)1891 census > Will > There is no Matthew Brunskill in the 1891 for Westmorland, there is a one > year old James in Cumberland (Skirwith). > Do you have any further information? > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Brunskill [mailto:brunskills@t-online.de] > Sent: 15 September 2008 21:06 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] (Eng-Westmorland)1891 census > > Hello to all, I am hoping someone can help me I am looking for a Matthew > James Brunskill on the 1891 census. I believe he was born abt 1890. Any > help > > would be appreciated. Will Brunskill, in very cool Germany > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just wish there were more entries like those, but unfortunately there were only three pages. maryann > From: bbaker48@sympatico.ca> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:06:09 -0400> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] ISAAC GASGARTH bapt. June 1779 in WindermereParish> > WOW !! MaryAnn; these entries are priceless. Thanks for all your hard work.> > Barb, Ontario, Canada.> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

This is very interesting Barb. It's not suprising there were so many deserters, between August and Sept 1745 Bonnie Prince Charlie was moving South from the highlands of Scotland to Inverness and then on to Carlise (I think he took Carlise in early Nov 1745). They were being recruited to defend Carlise and utimately England from the Jacobite rising. They may have had political (typically English Tories supported the Jacobites), religious (been catholics) or just plain scared, as reasons to desert. I suspect a lot of our Cumbrian ancestors were caught up in some way by the rebellion. Also interesting and seems to fit historically is the regimental address and the order coming from Newcastle upon Tyne. This is where the Crown (not exclusively English, as many Scot Clans fort with the Crown) forces were massing having been called back from the continent. Cumberland and Wade's forces shadowed the Jacobites South as they got to Derby and then returned North, with Cumberland ultimatly engaging them at Culloden after seigeing some of them at Carlise. Interesting times and thank you for the posting. Blair -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barb Baker Sent: 17 September 2008 00:14 To: Genealogy-Cumberland; eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com; uk-newspaper-extracts@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] GENERAL EVENING POST, Saturday September 14,1745 / DESERTERS **This is from a very old newspaper; hence some words cannot be read** D E S E R T E D from Captain William Master, of the Honourable Major-General Charles Howard's Regiment of Foot, Recruiting at Carlisle, the following Recruits and Impress'd Men, viz. VOLUNTEERS. THOMAS M'CAMUS, b. Gorbells, Glasgow, Profession: Smith; 18 yrs.; 5 ft. 5-1/2 inches; deserted April 17, 1745. JOHN M'MATH, b. Dumfries, North Britain, Shoemaker, age 28, 5 ft. 5 inches; deserted July 14, 1745. ============================= IMPRESS'D MEN. CHARLES STEWART, Castle Sowerby, Cumberland, a Potter, age 29, 5 ft. 6 inches; deserted June 15 1745. EDWARD LAIDLER, Hedon, Cumberland, Labourer, age 30, 5 ft. 4-1/2"; deserted June 23, 1745. CHRISTOPHER JACKSON, Kirklington, Cumberland, Labourer, age 39, 5 ft. 6-1/4 inches; deserted July 23, 1745. JAMES COCKBURN, no birth place, Tinker, age 32; 5 ft. 9 inches; deserted July 25, 1745. *JOHN WALKER, Blyth, Nottingham, Distiller, age 27, 5 ft. 6 inches; deserted Aug 7, 1745. HENRY TAYLOR, Setton, Cumberland, occupation Taylor, age 42, 5 ft. 4-1/2 inches; deserted August 11. JOHN HUTHARD, Glassingby, Cumberland, Skinner, age 21, 5 ft. 8 inches; deserted August 17. JOHN SCOTT, B?antown, Cumberland, Labourer, age 21, 5 ft. 6-1/2 inches; deserted August 18. Unreadable name / could be MILLER, Melbeck, Yorkshire, Weaver, age 42, 5 ft. 6-1/4 inches; deserted September 5. Unreadable name/ first name starts with a "W", Whitehaven, Cumberland, Linnen-Painter, age 30, 5 ft. 5-1/2 inches; deserted September 5. Name is completely unreadable, Sterling, North Britain, Labourer, age 22, 5 ft. 5-1/2 inches; deserted September 5, 1745. Completely unreadable, b. Beaumont, Cumberland, Smith, age 18, 5 ft. 6 inches; deserted September 6. ???????WILSON, no birth place shown, Tinker, age 25, 5 ft. 5-1/4 inches; deserted September 6. *?????HUTCHINSON, Penryth, Cumberland, Tayler, age 40, 5 ft. 8 inches; deserted September 6, 1745. ???????BARTLETT, Bridgwater, Somersetshire, Shoemaker, age 30, 5 ft. 5 inches; deserted September 6. JOHN HEVISIDES, Aulton Moore, Cumberland, Butcher, age 30, 5 ft. 7-3/4 inches; deserted September 7, 1745. JOHN WEILL, Gratney, North Britain, Labourer, age 27, 5 ft. 7 inches; deserted September 7, 1745. GEORGE PEELE, Penrith, Cumberland, Shoemaker, age 23, 5 ft. 5-1/2 inches, deserted September 7, 1745. JOHN JOHNSTON, Arthuret, Cumberland, Husbandman, age 23, 5 ft. 6-1/2 inches; deserted September 10, 1745. THOMAS JOHNSON, Penrith, Cumberland, Drover, age 23, 5 ft. 6 inches; deserted September 10, 1745. JOHN WILLIAMSON, Ecclesfield, Cumberland, Hatter, age 20, 5 ft. 4-1/2 inches; deserted September 10, 1745. ROBERT GORDON, St. Bees, Cumberland, Tinker, age 30, 5 ft. 4 inches; deserted September 10, 1745. **Men thus mark'd * went off in their Regiments. Whoever shall apprehend and secure any of the above mentioned Deserters, in any County Gaol in Great Britain, and give Notice thereof to the Commanding Officer of the above said Regiment, at Newcastle upon Tyne, or to WILLIAM ADAIR, Esq, in Pall Mall, London, shall receive One Guinea Reward for each of them, so apprehended and secured, over and above what is allowed by Act of Parliament, for apprehending and securing Deserters. _________________________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This message has been scanned for viruses by MailControl - (see http://bluepages.wsatkins.co.uk/?6875772) This email and any attached files are confidential and copyright protected. If you are not the addressee, any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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WOW !! MaryAnn; these entries are priceless. Thanks for all your hard work. Barb, Ontario, Canada.

The basic information for this entry is in the IGI, but the original entry in the parish register is full of so much information that I thought I would post it here: From St. Martins Church in the Parish of Windermere, Westmoreland... ISAAC GASGARTH: baptized on Sunday the 27th day of June, 1779 FATHER: Isaac Gasgarth of Mateson's in Undermilbeck, Linsey Weaver. MOTHER: Elizabeth Daughter of John Coward of Mateson's aforesaid, Linsey Weaver, by Elizabeth his wife. _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/

From St. Martins Church in the Parish of Windermere, Westmoreland... AGNES ROBINSON: Born of Friday the 15th Day of January 1779. Baptized on Sunday the 27th Day of June 1779. FATHER: Joseph Robinson of Elleray, Weaver, son of Joseph Robinson of Elleray aforesaid in Applethwaite, Cordwainer, by Mary his wife Daughter of Thomas Rowlandson of Borderiggs in Undermilbeck, Cordwainer. MOTHER: Elizabeth Daughter of Thomas Mackereth of Grasmere, Yeoman, by Agnes his wife Daughter of Jonathan Elleray of Troutbeck, Cordwainer. _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/

From St. Martins Church in the Parish of Windermere, Westmoreland... Mary ELLERAY: Born on Tuesday the 29th day of February 1779. Baptized on Sunday the 7th day of March 1779. FATHER: Thomas Elleray of Birthwaite in Applethwaite, Husbandman, Son of Thomas Elleray of Elleray, Yeoman by Mary his wife daughter of Robert Mackereth, Yeoman. MOTHER: Magdalen, daughter of Girlington Butler Barton late Rector of Windermere by Jane his wife daughter of William Sharp of Bownass, Rough Mason. _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/

>From St. Martins Church in the Parish of Windermere, Westmoreland... JOHN CROSTHWAITE: born on Thursday the Ninth Day of May 1779. Baptized on Thursday the 4th Day of June 1779. FATHER: John Crosthwaite of Low-house in Undermilbeck Weaver, son of Abraham Crosthwaite of Undermilbeck Weaver, by Jane his wife Daughter of Robert Townson of Over Stavely in the Parish of Kirkby Kendal Weaver. MOTHER: Agnes Daughter of William Braithwaite of Droomer(?) Steel in Applethwaite Yeoman by Elizabeth Daughter of Robert(?) Knipe of Applethwaite Yeomon. _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008

From St. Martins Church in the Parish of Windermere, Westmoreland... MARY BARROW: Born On Saturday the 25th day of April 1779. Baptized on Sunday the 30th day of May 1779. FATHER: John Barrow of Wood in Applethwaite Carpenter, son of John Barrow of Bownas by Elizabeth his wife Daughter of Oliver Allonby of Grigg Hall in Underbarrow in the Parish of Kirkby Kendal Yeoman. MOTHER: Frances Daughter of James Swales of Troutbeck Bridge, by Margaret daughter of Thomas Park of Applethwaite Miller. _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/

THOMAS TROTTER: born on Thursday the 19th(?) Day of April 1779. Baptized on Tuesday the 29th day of July 1779. FATHER: Samuel Trotter of Undermilbeck Rough Mason, son of John Trotter of Kirkby Kendal Husbandman, by Jane his wife Daughter of Thomas Jopson of Stavely in Kirkby in Kendal Husbandman. MOTHER: Agnes Daughter of Thomas Wilkinson of Selside(?) Tailor, by Mary his wife. _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008