The pages on Rootsweb that used to have the IGI batch numbers by Hugh Wallis seem to have disappeared. Does anyone know where they have gone and if they can still be accessed? The Rootsweb search engine still has them but they do not lead anywhere! John

John Steel Genealogy wrote: > The pages on Rootsweb that used to have the IGI batch numbers by Hugh Wallis > seem to have disappeared. Does anyone know where they have gone and if they > can still be accessed? The Rootsweb search engine still has them but they do > not lead anywhere! > John, The following was recently posted on the Bristol and District list: "As some of you will have noticed, Hugh Wallis's site is currently unavailable. It has been taken down by Ancestry while they try to sort out a problem with it which has resulted in some users being advised there's a virus on the site. The good news is that it is still available by using the cached versions. If you google for the site plus the county name, then click on Cached, you'll get where you want to go :)) There is also a copy on the WayBack Machine at: <http://web.archive.org/web/20080123193328/http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm> Or if that breaks, http://preview.tinyurl.com/4nlpfd will take you to the cached version." Regards, Jeremy

Andrelee Just an update on the possible connections, Lancelot Steel married Margaret Bellas (not the same one as yours), St Michaels Appleby 1769 he was the son of William Steel, Crackenthorpe. This is information given to me by a distant relation Jenny Steel. Lancelot was the brother of George Steel and I descend from that line. John -----Original Message----- From: andreleeneal@aol.com [mailto:andreleeneal@aol.com] Sent: 12 October 2008 10:19 To: ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] John Scrivins Hi Is anyone researching John Scrivins or Margaret Bellas who married in Appleby in 1844. I have some material on them but am looking to see if anyone else has anything on them. I am nable to find out where john was born. Thank you Andrelee ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Garry, Sorry no Henry Rigg in my line at the moment. Happy Hunting Margaret South Australia Shawn, and others who acknowledged my message Thanks for your reply. My interest in the RIGG line starts in 1844 with the marriage of Henry RIGG (son of Thomas) to Barbary SALKELD.

Shawn, and others who acknowledged my message Thanks for your reply. My interest in the RIGG line starts in 1844 with the marriage of Henry RIGG (son of Thomas) to Barbary SALKELD. > Any particular period, Garry? > > > Anyone researching RIGG of Crosby Ravensworth? One family member went > to Great Strickland. >

Andrelee I have an indirect interest in the Bellas line I there are some as yet unproven connections with my Steel line. Could it be that John and Margaret were the same ones living in Storth Appleby in 1871, in which case John was born Bampton Westmorland in about 1820. Living with 8 children and one granddaughter. If it is the same Margaret she would have been born around 1828 possibly the one christened 6 Jan 1828 daughter of William and Margaret. I will have to get my information out and see if there is any connection with my tree. John -----Original Message----- From: andreleeneal@aol.com [mailto:andreleeneal@aol.com] Sent: 12 October 2008 10:19 To: ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] John Scrivins Hi Is anyone researching John Scrivins or Margaret Bellas who married in Appleby in 1844. I have some material on them but am looking to see if anyone else has anything on them. I am nable to find out where john was born. Thank you Andrelee ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Is anyone researching John Scrivins or Margaret Bellas who married in Appleby in 1844. I have some material on them but am looking to see if anyone else has anything on them. I am nable to find out where john was born. Thank you Andrelee ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

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Hi Garry, I have Mary Ward Rigg born 1883, Maulds Meaburn, Crosby Ravensworth. Annie Rigg her mother married John Bellas 1885 and went to Little Strickland could this be the same family? Cheerio, Margaret South Australia -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Garry F Bell Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2008 8:19 PM To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] RIGG Anyone researching RIGG of Crosby Ravensworth? One family member went to Great Strickland. Garry Auckland, NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1719 - Release Date: 10/10/2008 4:08 PM

Anyone researching RIGG of Crosby Ravensworth? One family member went to Great Strickland. Garry Auckland, NZ

Any particular period, Garry? Shawn UK -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Garry F Bell Sent: 11 October 2008 10:49 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] RIGG Anyone researching RIGG of Crosby Ravensworth? One family member went to Great Strickland. Garry Auckland, NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1719 - Release Date: 10/10/2008 16:08

I had a look at the IGI and have found the following: ISOBELLA BITSON & THOMAS THEXTON Marriage: 21 OCT 1822 Kendal, Westmorland, England IGI Batch Number: A458203 Sheet: 00 Source Call No.: 458203 *************************************************************************** IGI Film Number: 458213 Joseph Thexton Christening: 16 MAR 1823 Burneside, Westmorland, England Parents: Father: Thomas Thexton Mother: Isabella Fawcett AND IGI Batch No.: C044081 Dates: 1813 - 1875 Source Call No.: 0097358 Type: Film Printout Call No.: 0933467 Type: Film Sheet: 00 JOSEPH THECKSTON Christening: 16 MAR 1823 Burneside, Westmorland, England Father: THOMAS THECKSTON Mother: ISABELLA **************************************************************************** ISABELLA FAWCETT Christening: 25 DEC 1803 Askrigg, Yorkshire, England Mother: JANE FAWCETT Batch no: C014123 dates: 1710 - 1812 Askrigg is on the main crossing of the Pennines (A684 today) from Kendal through Sedbergh (close to Firbank). **************************************************************************** IGI has Jane Fawcett Birth: 19 APR 1782 Sedbergh Parish, , Yorkshire, England Christening: 30 Apr 1782 Sedbergh Father: EDWARD FAWCETT Mother: MARY That is 21yrs at the birth of Isabella Again in Sedbergh 7th Feb 1786 is born Jane Fawcett to Henry Fawcett and Jane Porter 19yrs at the birth of Isabella Unable to find a Fawcett - Ritson/Bitson connection. Perhaps you will have better luck. -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Watson Sent: 01 October 2008 17:16 To: ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Ritson family. Hi everyone, I have a brick wall which has been facing me for years and I wondered if anybody could help me please? My Great x 3 Grandmother was an Isabella RITSON who married Thomas THECKSTON in Kendal on 21/10/1822. She was born circa 1801 but I have no idea where, as she died before the 1851 Census. In 1841 she was living in Manchester and it stated that she was born outside Lancashire. Recently I came across a Jane RITSON, born circa 1761 in Firbank, who was living with her Grandson in 1851 a Joseph THECKSTON, Isabella's son! Jane was a widow so obviously I have no way of discovering her maiden name or husband's first name. I couldn't find Jane on the 1841 Census. Therefore all I have to go on is that Isabella's mother was called Jane and was born in Firbank. Does anybody have access to the Parish Registers for this area who could look up whether Isabella was baptised there, or whether a RITSON married a Jane there? I would be ever so grateful!!! Jane Watson. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1702 - Release Date: 01/10/2008 09:05

Hi everyone, I have a brick wall which has been facing me for years and I wondered if anybody could help me please? My Great x 3 Grandmother was an Isabella RITSON who married Thomas THECKSTON in Kendal on 21/10/1822. She was born circa 1801 but I have no idea where, as she died before the 1851 Census. In 1841 she was living in Manchester and it stated that she was born outside Lancashire. Recently I came across a Jane RITSON, born circa 1761 in Firbank, who was living with her Grandson in 1851 a Joseph THECKSTON, Isabella's son! Jane was a widow so obviously I have no way of discovering her maiden name or husband's first name. I couldn't find Jane on the 1841 Census. Therefore all I have to go on is that Isabella's mother was called Jane and was born in Firbank. Does anybody have access to the Parish Registers for this area who could look up whether Isabella was baptised there, or whether a RITSON married a Jane there? I would be ever so grateful!!! Jane Watson.

Many thanks John for all the information. It certainly seems to be them. So I maybe can confirm an arrival in Dec 1852 - unfortunately it only states R. LLOYD & wife. Funny, no children between 1848 & 1853 - maybe it was the Australian magic :-)Maria, NSW, Australia _________________________________________________________________ Win a Hotmail Go-Kart to race at Bathurst. Enter today! http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4602

Many thanks, Ken, this is a LARGE help. Must of been the accent that turned Denbighshire to DerbyshireMaria, NSW, Australia > From: Kenlup@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:44:22 -0400> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Lloyd & Newby Family's abt 1848> > Hi Maria> Richard Lloyd was born in Wrexham Denbighshire, and his Wife Isabella Newby > was born in Winster Westmorland, I hope this helps you> Ken _________________________________________________________________ Are you paid what you're worth? Find out: SEEK Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcareer%2Dresources%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Ahet%3Asc%3Anine%3A0%3Ahot%3Atext&_t=764565661&_r=OCT07_endtext_salary&_m=EXT

Applethwaite is Windermere Liz Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Steel Genealogy" <fh@johnsteel.co.uk> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:32 PM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] FW: Lloyd & Newby Family's abt 1848 > What appears to be James and Alice Newby appear in the 1841 census, he is > a > gardener aged 47 and Alice is 45. But there is no Isabella at home, of > course by then she would be 21. > The have 4 Children at home, James 12, Thomas 10, Jane 6 and George 4, > living at Elleray Cottage, Applethwaite, Westmorland. (Applethwaite is an > old area that has now been taken into either Ambleside or Windermere) > Also in the house is James aged 85 which is probably James father. All are > said to be born in county, unfortunately the 1841 census never says where. > > The only Isabella in the 1841 which sort of matches is a 20 year old who > is > a servant of a banker in Liverpool, she was not born in Lancashire but it > does not say where she was born. I can't find Richard in the 1841 census > at > all. > > Isabella was baptised 1st March 1821 in Winster. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maria Thomas [mailto:mnmthomas@hotmail.com] > Sent: 24 September 2008 04:10 > To: ENG-WESTMORLAND > Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Lloyd & Newby Family's abt 1848 > > > Hi everyone > > Newie to this list, I am looking for further information on Richard LLOYD > and Isabella NEWBY's families. > > I have a copy of their marriage certificate in 1848 at Winderemere, > Westmoreland. The next thing I have is a birth of a son in Sydney in > 1853. > I am trying to narrow the year in which they sailed. > > Richard LLOYD b abt 1812 in Derbyshire?, Wales (daughter's birth cert) or > Liverpool, England (death cert but informant is not related). His > occupation on Marriage & in Australia was Gardener (may be he worked with > Isabella's father). Father - John LLOYD - Coachman, Mother - Alice > HARDIMAN. Any info on where he was born or siblings would be appreciated. > > Isabella NEWBY b abt 1820 Westmoreland. Father - James NEWBY - Gardener, > Mother - Alice (surname may be HARRISON). Any info on where he was born > or > siblings would be appreciated. > > So would anyone have access to the 1841 or 1851 Census? Or anything else > that may give me clues. > > Thank youMariaNSW, Australia > _________________________________________________________________ > Win a Hotmail Go-Kart to race at Bathurst. Enter today! > http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4602 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

What appears to be James and Alice Newby appear in the 1841 census, he is a gardener aged 47 and Alice is 45. But there is no Isabella at home, of course by then she would be 21. The have 4 Children at home, James 12, Thomas 10, Jane 6 and George 4, living at Elleray Cottage, Applethwaite, Westmorland. (Applethwaite is an old area that has now been taken into either Ambleside or Windermere) Also in the house is James aged 85 which is probably James father. All are said to be born in county, unfortunately the 1841 census never says where. The only Isabella in the 1841 which sort of matches is a 20 year old who is a servant of a banker in Liverpool, she was not born in Lancashire but it does not say where she was born. I can't find Richard in the 1841 census at all. Isabella was baptised 1st March 1821 in Winster. -----Original Message----- From: Maria Thomas [mailto:mnmthomas@hotmail.com] Sent: 24 September 2008 04:10 To: ENG-WESTMORLAND Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Lloyd & Newby Family's abt 1848 Hi everyone Newie to this list, I am looking for further information on Richard LLOYD and Isabella NEWBY's families. I have a copy of their marriage certificate in 1848 at Winderemere, Westmoreland. The next thing I have is a birth of a son in Sydney in 1853. I am trying to narrow the year in which they sailed. Richard LLOYD b abt 1812 in Derbyshire?, Wales (daughter's birth cert) or Liverpool, England (death cert but informant is not related). His occupation on Marriage & in Australia was Gardener (may be he worked with Isabella's father). Father - John LLOYD - Coachman, Mother - Alice HARDIMAN. Any info on where he was born or siblings would be appreciated. Isabella NEWBY b abt 1820 Westmoreland. Father - James NEWBY - Gardener, Mother - Alice (surname may be HARRISON). Any info on where he was born or siblings would be appreciated. So would anyone have access to the 1841 or 1851 Census? Or anything else that may give me clues. Thank youMariaNSW, Australia _________________________________________________________________ Win a Hotmail Go-Kart to race at Bathurst. Enter today! http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4602 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Birk Moss is just over a mile north west of Underbarrow Church. Could that be it? -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Savage [mailto:stephen.savage54@btopenworld.com] Sent: 24 September 2008 11:53 To: ENG-WESTMORLAND-L@rootsweb.com; Savage Heulwen H; Daniel Savage; Sian Rebecca Savage; matt savage Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Birks Underbarrow Hi Does anyone know where Birks was/is un Underbarrow. Possibly near Nook/ Underbarow church? Reserarching the Dennison family Reagrds Stephen Stephen Savage   If you are not the intended recipient for this e mail please reply to sender accordingly and delete this e mail. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks-if its near Underbarrow church this makes sense! I will study OS map! Stephen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Steel Genealogy" <fh@johnsteel.co.uk> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Birks Underbarrow Birk Moss is just over a mile north west of Underbarrow Church. Could that be it? -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Savage [mailto:stephen.savage54@btopenworld.com] Sent: 24 September 2008 11:53 To: ENG-WESTMORLAND-L@rootsweb.com; Savage Heulwen H; Daniel Savage; Sian Rebecca Savage; matt savage Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Birks Underbarrow Hi Does anyone know where Birks was/is un Underbarrow. Possibly near Nook/ Underbarow church? Reserarching the Dennison family Reagrds Stephen Stephen Savage If you are not the intended recipient for this e mail please reply to sender accordingly and delete this e mail. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone Newie to this list, I am looking for further information on Richard LLOYD and Isabella NEWBY's families. I have a copy of their marriage certificate in 1848 at Winderemere, Westmoreland. The next thing I have is a birth of a son in Sydney in 1853. I am trying to narrow the year in which they sailed. Richard LLOYD b abt 1812 in Derbyshire?, Wales (daughter's birth cert) or Liverpool, England (death cert but informant is not related). His occupation on Marriage & in Australia was Gardener (may be he worked with Isabella's father). Father - John LLOYD - Coachman, Mother - Alice HARDIMAN. Any info on where he was born or siblings would be appreciated. Isabella NEWBY b abt 1820 Westmoreland. Father - James NEWBY - Gardener, Mother - Alice (surname may be HARRISON). Any info on where he was born or siblings would be appreciated. So would anyone have access to the 1841 or 1851 Census? Or anything else that may give me clues. Thank youMariaNSW, Australia _________________________________________________________________ Win a Hotmail Go-Kart to race at Bathurst. Enter today! http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4602