I just have to butt in and comment on the inscription of Gunner Crouch's tombstone -- how poignant, it brought tears to my eyes. Thank you for sharing that with us all. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "DOROTHY WILLIAMS" <dotw@talktalk.net> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Lest we forget > Well now, Sarah, you've got me going again! Here are my blood relatives who fell in the Great War. I dont think my family unusual in any way. The only one I've always known about was my mother's brother, Isaac Wren. The others I have picked up over the years from doing family history. Whenever I find a boy born between say, 1880-ish and 1900, I always check to see if they served and if they survived or not. Boys born in this time slot are the ones who went to battle, by and large. You've probably all got more than you think, you've just got to look for them. > > 17178 Pte Isaac WREN, 8 / East Yorkshire Regt, KIA 26/9/1915. aged 17, Battle of Loos. Remembered on the Loos Memorial. (My mother's brother). His story is on Steve Scott's site "Keswick at war". > > 49383 Pte Isaac HARTLEY, 2/5 King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regt), KIA 28/9/1918, aged 21. Battle of the Canal du Nord. Buried Anneux British Cemetery. > > 266541 Spr. William HARRIS, 96th Light Railway Operating Coy, Royal Engineers, KIA 30/12/1917, aged 22. Buried Hadra War Memorial Cemetery, Alexandria. > > 23487 Pte. Lancelot HARRIS, 10 / Royal Welsh Fusiliers, KIA 13/11/1916, during the last of the Battles of the Somme (Battle of the Ancre), aged 25. Remembered on the Thiepval Memorial. Brother to William. > > 9087 Pte. James PARK, Coldstream Guards, DOW 17/9/1914, Battle of the Aisne, aged 21. Grave subsequently lost. Remembered on La Ferte Sous Jouarre Memorial. > > 11239 Pte. Norman Atkinson GRISDALE, 6 / Border Regt, wounded at Gallipoli, taken to Cairo, DOW Cairo, aged 20. Buried Cairo War Memorial Cemetery. > > 2nd Lt Herbert Edward LEYLAND, 179th Tunnelling Coy, Royal Engineers. DOW 17/10/1917, aged 38. Buried Dozinghem Military Cemetery. > > 83033 Spr. John MARSHALL, 105th Field Coy, Royal Engineers, KIA 10/4/1918, aged 22, Battle of the Lys. Remembered on the Ploegsteert Memorial. > > 7369 Pte. Arthur HEBBLETHWAITE, York & Lancaster Regt, wounded during the Battle of the Aisne, evacuated to Blighty, DOW 29/10/1914, aged 30. Buried Norton Cemetery, Sheffield. > > 13970 Pte. Albert SMITH, 9 / Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, KIA 16/9/1916, during another of the Somme Battles (Battle of Flers), aged 34. Remembered on the Thiepval Memorial. Albert was born Herbert Hebblethwaite (brother to Arthur, and both brothers to my grandfather). Albert had committed some abomination before the war, we dont know what, but enlisted and died under an alias. > > 32561 Rn. Francis Edward CAZALY, 8 / Kings Royal Rifle Corps, KIA 11/10/1917, aged 30. Remembered on the Tyne Cot Memorial. > > 8937 Pte. George Leonard CAZALY, 4 / Royal Fusiliers, KIA 25/4/1916, aged 19. Buried Kemmel Chateau Mlitary Cemetery. Brother to Francis. > > 202852 Pte. Fred Burns DOCKERAY, 1 / Border Regt, KIA 15/10/1918, aged 23. Buried Dadizeele New British Cemetery. > > 307666 Pte William BARWISE, 1/8/ Sherwood Forresters (Notts & Derby Regt), KIA 23/4/1917 during the Battle of Arras. Remembered on the Arras Memorial. > > > WW2 > > Joseph Eric HURDING, went down with HMS "Daring", 18/2/1940. Remembered on the Portsmouth Naval Memorial. > > 7623468 Pte Tom WREN, RAOC, died 7/1/1943, aged 23. Buried Enfidaville War Cemetery. > > > When I visited Fred Dockeray's grave in September, close by was Gunner Crouch. What was written on his tombstone just about says it all "Forget me not. My summer days soon passed away". > > Dorothy. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

circa 1778: For the CUMBERLAND PACQUET The following lines were written by a Youth who came from America to England, for Education: and now detained on Account of the present disturbances. Oh! Tempora - Oh! Mores! LONG have I labour'd big with anxious Care, Rack'd by two passions, Hope and dull Despair; Far from my Kindred and my native Home, Doom'd a sad Exile, in strange Lands to roam: Not the soft language of a feeling Friend, To ease my sorrows one sad sigh to lend; Nought but fell rumours of a horrid War, Of slaughter'd Thousands, and of civil Jar; Of bleeding Heroes, and of death-bed Groans, The Shrieks of Orphans, and the Widows Moans ; Of Fathers weltering in their Children's Gore; All is Distraction and confus'd Uproar! Such Ills, alas ! - what pious Soul can name, And not be struck with Dread and inward Shame! That Men, like Beasts, should on each other prey, In search of Honours and imperial Sway; A Heap of Bubbles, that are blown away! O thou Almighty! hear a Suppliant's Pray'r, And place a Period to a Load of Care; Let Peace and Plenty now, once more abound, The Bow be broke, the Trumpet cease to sound . St. Bees [i] Actual copy of newspaper; Kendal Record Office, Reveley folder. Samuel Reveley, the Vicar of Crosby Ravensworth, Westmorland, emigrated to America in 1765 as a youth with his family. In 1775 he was sent back to England to attend St. Bees. The family hadn't dreamed that the next year the American Revolution would keep Samuel from returning home to Woodend. In 1778, this poem appeared in the Cumberland Pacquet. The words "Mr Reveley" were added in pen and ink to the copy in the Reveley folder.

http://www.picturetrail.com/sarahstravels Just put my Cumbria Great War memorials at my sarahstravels website, first album. I have more but not in time for tomorrow.

Good evening List, although this is meant primarily for Dorothy, it may be of interest to some other Listers. A few years ago Jack Hill from Sedbergh ( Billy Tebay's nephew) began to research the men on the Sedbergh War Memorial and he gave me all his notes. >From these I added to them some military details but mainly family histories of each man plus their photos and eventually made them into a "book" using plastic pockets and Lever Arch files. 4 were made. One is lodged with the Sedbergh and District History Society, 1 with Sedbergh School, another copy was given to Jack Hill ( now deceased) and I have a 4th copy. This was just WW1. Jack also covered WW2 but felt it too recent to be "published" just yet. Every year since then we have held an exhibition in one or more shop windows in Sedbergh during Armistice week This year the War Memorial at Sedbergh was restored and some missing names added. It was re-dedicated today. A group of us from the History Society are embarking on producing a series of 3 booklets on the War Memorials starting with Sedbergh, then Dent and finally Garsdale, Cautley and Howgill. These will eventually go on sale and the profits given to the British Legion. I am aware that Sedbergh was in Yorkshire but I know there are several Listers with ancestors from thereabouts. Constantly remembering them Shirley ( from Dent) ----- Original Message ----- From: "DOROTHY WILLIAMS" <dotw@talktalk.net> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Lest we forget >

Well now, Sarah, you've got me going again! Here are my blood relatives who fell in the Great War. I dont think my family unusual in any way. The only one I've always known about was my mother's brother, Isaac Wren. The others I have picked up over the years from doing family history. Whenever I find a boy born between say, 1880-ish and 1900, I always check to see if they served and if they survived or not. Boys born in this time slot are the ones who went to battle, by and large. You've probably all got more than you think, you've just got to look for them. 17178 Pte Isaac WREN, 8 / East Yorkshire Regt, KIA 26/9/1915. aged 17, Battle of Loos. Remembered on the Loos Memorial. (My mother's brother). His story is on Steve Scott's site "Keswick at war". 49383 Pte Isaac HARTLEY, 2/5 King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regt), KIA 28/9/1918, aged 21. Battle of the Canal du Nord. Buried Anneux British Cemetery. 266541 Spr. William HARRIS, 96th Light Railway Operating Coy, Royal Engineers, KIA 30/12/1917, aged 22. Buried Hadra War Memorial Cemetery, Alexandria. 23487 Pte. Lancelot HARRIS, 10 / Royal Welsh Fusiliers, KIA 13/11/1916, during the last of the Battles of the Somme (Battle of the Ancre), aged 25. Remembered on the Thiepval Memorial. Brother to William. 9087 Pte. James PARK, Coldstream Guards, DOW 17/9/1914, Battle of the Aisne, aged 21. Grave subsequently lost. Remembered on La Ferte Sous Jouarre Memorial. 11239 Pte. Norman Atkinson GRISDALE, 6 / Border Regt, wounded at Gallipoli, taken to Cairo, DOW Cairo, aged 20. Buried Cairo War Memorial Cemetery. 2nd Lt Herbert Edward LEYLAND, 179th Tunnelling Coy, Royal Engineers. DOW 17/10/1917, aged 38. Buried Dozinghem Military Cemetery. 83033 Spr. John MARSHALL, 105th Field Coy, Royal Engineers, KIA 10/4/1918, aged 22, Battle of the Lys. Remembered on the Ploegsteert Memorial. 7369 Pte. Arthur HEBBLETHWAITE, York & Lancaster Regt, wounded during the Battle of the Aisne, evacuated to Blighty, DOW 29/10/1914, aged 30. Buried Norton Cemetery, Sheffield. 13970 Pte. Albert SMITH, 9 / Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, KIA 16/9/1916, during another of the Somme Battles (Battle of Flers), aged 34. Remembered on the Thiepval Memorial. Albert was born Herbert Hebblethwaite (brother to Arthur, and both brothers to my grandfather). Albert had committed some abomination before the war, we dont know what, but enlisted and died under an alias. 32561 Rn. Francis Edward CAZALY, 8 / Kings Royal Rifle Corps, KIA 11/10/1917, aged 30. Remembered on the Tyne Cot Memorial. 8937 Pte. George Leonard CAZALY, 4 / Royal Fusiliers, KIA 25/4/1916, aged 19. Buried Kemmel Chateau Mlitary Cemetery. Brother to Francis. 202852 Pte. Fred Burns DOCKERAY, 1 / Border Regt, KIA 15/10/1918, aged 23. Buried Dadizeele New British Cemetery. 307666 Pte William BARWISE, 1/8/ Sherwood Forresters (Notts & Derby Regt), KIA 23/4/1917 during the Battle of Arras. Remembered on the Arras Memorial. WW2 Joseph Eric HURDING, went down with HMS "Daring", 18/2/1940. Remembered on the Portsmouth Naval Memorial. 7623468 Pte Tom WREN, RAOC, died 7/1/1943, aged 23. Buried Enfidaville War Cemetery. When I visited Fred Dockeray's grave in September, close by was Gunner Crouch. What was written on his tombstone just about says it all "Forget me not. My summer days soon passed away". Dorothy.

Something like the BBC "Wall of Remembrance" maybe? http://www.bbc.co.uk/remembrance/ Brian |-----Original Message----- |From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com |[mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barb Baker |Sent: 09 November 2008 20:29 |To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com |Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day | |I don't know of any website for photos. | |What I had in mind was just the name, regiment, where born, |where died, and the dates. Just so that we "Remember". | |Does anyone else know of a website ??? | |Barb. | |>>>>----- Original Message ----- |From: "SarahReveley" <sarahreveley@grandecom.net<<<<<< | | |------------------------------- |To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to |ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word |'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body |of the message

I don't know of any website for photos. What I had in mind was just the name, regiment, where born, where died, and the dates. Just so that we "Remember". Does anyone else know of a website ??? Barb. >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "SarahReveley" <sarahreveley@grandecom.net<<<<<<

I think that would be very good Barb they should never be forgotten.Paul Thompson Leicester England Home of The Tigers! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> To: "Genealogy-Cumberland" <Genealogy-Cumberland@googlegroups.com>; <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day > Please join in remembering. > > On Monday, I thought I would post the details of all my soldiers > Not just from Cumberland or Westmorland, but all of them. > > Hope you will do the same. > > Barb, Ontario, Canada. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1777 - Release Date: 09/11/2008 09:53

Thanks Barb! I have always made a point of photographing monuments and close ups of names, have quite a few, is there a website somewhere I can mail them to? I have Westmorland, Cumberland, Yorkshire, and Northumberland. Have one from Wales now. Dorothy Williams in Preston has several great uncles killed in the Great War, and visits cemeteries and trenches and battlefields, she got me started on it. I have some from Mamma's side in Germany. It felt strange at first to see the German heroes, my ancestors, but all of the men fought for their countries, and I felt proud to be there. Sarah in Texas I think that would be very good Barb they should never be forgotten.Paul > Please join in remembering. > > On Monday, I thought I would post the details of all my soldiers > Not just from Cumberland or Westmorland, but all of them. > > Hope you will do the same. > > Barb, Ontario, Canada. >

Please join in remembering. On Monday, I thought I would post the details of all my soldiers Not just from Cumberland or Westmorland, but all of them. Hope you will do the same. Barb, Ontario, Canada.

Hi All I have a BLACK family I would like to find info on where their burial's might be they were Michael Black and his wife Margaret in the 1891 they were living Scaithwaiterigg aged 79 & 75 respectively. Would Grayrigg church be the best option for finding a place of burial or is there a municipal cemetery where I might find them ? Regards David Wellington New Zealand

To honour our Military Heros, Ancestry is offering Free Access to the Military Collections shown below, until November 30th, 2008. MILITARY COLLECTIONS WITH FREE ACCESS a.. Canadian Soldiers of World War I. 1914-1918 b.. British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 c.. British Army WW1 Pension Records d.. British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 e.. Rebellion of 1837, Upper Canada Barb, Ontario, Canada.

>>Michael Black and his wife Margaret in the 1891 they were living >>Scaithwaiterigg aged 79 & 75 respectively. Would Grayrigg church be the best option for finding a place of burial or is there a municipal cemetery where I might find them ?<<David That's weird, I was just looking at that area on my map, sorting out my trip. Found this for you: http://www.thebeacongroup.org.uk/st_john_the_baptist/the_new_church?PHPSESSID=e5ff7c1bb4fd98eb5b335e1cfd1a854f 1871 - The consecration of St John the Baptist Church in the newly-designated parish of Skelsmergh & Scalthwaiterigg was attended by the Bishop of Carlisle, the Archdeacon and fourteen clergy. .....After the service consecrating the church the Bishop consecrated the adjoining graveyard. ......A notice was published giving the name of the parish as the "New Chapelry of Skelsmergh, Scalthwaiterigg and Patton", with an estimated population of 200 people. Here are the deaths from the BMD: Scalthwaiterigg WES Kendal Name:Margaret Black Estimated Birth Year:abt 1816 Year of Registration:1899 Quarter of Registration:Apr-May-Jun Age at Death: 83 District:Kendal (1837-1937) County:Lancashire, Westmorland Volume:10b Name: Michael Black Estimated Birth Year:abt 1814 Year of Registration:1895 Quarter of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death:81 District:Kendal (1837-1937) County:Lancashire, Westmorland Volume:10b

Stephen I have been using the site for about a year now and in general find it very good though I have generally only used the census information and sometimes the BMD not the other items, there are some transcription errors but I am sure no more than other sources. I am not sure if the records are exactly the same or not, though I doubt there can have been many transcriptions of the same data, I have found census entries differently transcribed on other sites, but I have no idea where the source information came from. John -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Savage [mailto:stephen.savage54@btopenworld.com] Sent: 03 November 2008 19:09 To: CUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com; ENG-WESTMORLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Value for money Genealogist site Does anyone have experience of the Geneoligist site? ( http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk ) It appears much cheaper than Ancestry.com - but is it accessing the same records..?? Stephen Savage   If you are not the intended recipient for this e mail please reply to sender accordingly and delete this e mail. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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In your research of those Jacksons, you haven't happened across a John Jackson, born c 1784 have you? married to Isabella (possibly Nelson) with 2 children Isabella born 1814 and George born 1817, both baptised in Beetham. John was a ferry boat man in Haverbrack in 1841. If you have, help would be appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Owen" <robert.owen3@btinternet.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Red Gragon Hotel Kirkby Lonsdale > Hi Nancy > > Many thanks for the reply. I have been researching this family for many > years and have a lot of information on them, but I never thought of the > National Archives, silly me, in my own country as well. I will look at the > site in more detail now, there maybe other unanswered questions there than > can be solved. Once again many thanks. Regards Bob. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.5 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2221 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hello Doreen: There is an entry in the Death Index for an Alice A. PEARSON, age 52, District: Kendal ; County: Lancashire, Westmorland, and in the first Quarter of 1923 ; Volume 10b ; Page 893. I suppose the only "sure" way of knowing if this is your Alice, would be to order the death certificate. ___________________ Barb, Ontario, Canada.

Hi Bob, Have you made a Google search? Up come results from the National Archives site, giving much information on the Red Dragon at Kirkby Lonsdale. Here is just one item among many on the various people associated with the hotel. I know it is not the Jackson names you mentioned, but perhaps this has some significance for you?.......................... Probate of will, of George Jackson of Kirkby Lonsdale, yeoman, made 1 March 1836, proved (Archdeaconry of Richmond) 7 July 1841 *WDB 20/597/23* *1841* *Contents*: Bequests:- to wife Eleanor Jackson, all personal estate; to sons William Jackson of Tunstal, Lancashire, blacksmith, and John Jackson of Burton-in-Kendal, nailer, two copyhold cottages with gardens and appurts. in Mitchelgate, Kirkby Lonsdale; also freehold dwellinghouse with appurts. in Red Dragon Yard, Kirkby Lonsdale, now in occupation of Margaret Dixon [as in feoffment 1 February 1808]; also copyhold dwellinghouses and blacksmith's shop in Royal Oak Yard, Kirkby Lonsdale now in occupation of son Robert Jackson, in trust to pay rents and profits to wife Eleanor for life, then to sell and share proceeds amongst testator's children, Robert, John, William, Mary wife of Robert Warbreck, Eleanor Jackson, Elizabeth wife of Joseph Lodge, Ann wife of John Spencer and Jane Jackson Executrix: wife Eleanor -- Nancy McLaughlin Burwood, Christchurch, NZ On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Robert Owen <robert.owen3@btinternet.com>wrote: > Hi > I am interested to find any information of owners of the above hotel in the > 1820's. > > I am interested in the name Jackson particularly John and Elizabeth (a > maiden name here would help) > to see if they owned these premises. I have found a connection with > Elizabeth in a trade directory in 1829 but I am looking for some connection > earlier if possible. John had died by 1826. > > Any help or avenues to investigate who be helpful > > Bob Owen. > > > >

Hi Nancy Many thanks for the reply. I have been researching this family for many years and have a lot of information on them, but I never thought of the National Archives, silly me, in my own country as well. I will look at the site in more detail now, there maybe other unanswered questions there than can be solved. Once again many thanks. Regards Bob.

Hello, I have a James William Pearson, born March 15, 1888, at Borderside, Crosthwaite, Westmorland, he married Alice Ann Hodgkiss on October 26, 1918, at St. Paul's Church, Walkden, Lancaster Co. On July 20, 1920 they had a daughter, Edna Pearson, she was born at 77 Manchester Road Walkden, Lancaster Co. What I would like to find out is what happen to the mother Alice and her daughter Edna. James W. Pearson came to Canada in 1927, in 1946 he met my mother, and they got married. Any help would be great, Doreen