SLANDER BY A JEALOUS LOVER......Part #2 HEAVY DAMAGES. The defence was that the defendant sincerely desired to marry this plaintiff, MISS DIXON, and that he would be the last man in the world to make any accusation against her. He declined to sign the statements, said MR. SHEE, because the officers had put down their own impressions, and not his words. The defendant was put into the box, and he persisted in the statement that he had never cast any imputation upon MISS DIXON. He was led to believe, by what MRS. DIXON had said that the match was broken off through the interference of ARMSTRONG, and he complained to SUPERINTENDENT GRAHAM of his inference in a matter of that kind. He said that SERGEANT NOTMAN, instead of putting down exactly what he (defendant) said, put down what SUPERINTENDENT GRAHAM was saying at the same time. He also contended that he never told SUPERINTENDENT GRAHAM at Troutbeck that MISS DIXON had informed him that ARMSTRONG had misconducted himself with her, and alleged that the document produced in court must have been written in the office at Kendal afterwards. He further stated that he told SIR JOHN DUNNE in the office at Kendal that the statement was not what he had said, and he denied that he had ever told him that it was true. MR. MATTINSON (to the defendant): In other words, you suggest that SUPERINTENDENT GRAHAM, SERGENT NOTMAN, and SIR JOHN DUNNE are lying ? ........ Certainly. MR. MATTINSON: Did you tell MR. JONES, a magistrate, in a letter that the young lady told you that she had been too familiar with ARMSTRONG ? The defendant, on being pressed, admitted writing such a letter, whereupon MR. SHEE said he must withdraw from the case, as he could not go on with it. HIS LORDSHIP: Quite right, too. It is a surprise to me it has gone on so long. MR. MATTINSON characterised the conduct of the defendant as infamous, and commented strongly on the effrontary of the defence he had set up, accusing every witness on the other side of perjury, and asked for substantial damages, so that the jury could mark their sense of his conduct. HIS LORDSHIP told the jury the only question for them was to assess the damages, and they need not consider what the defendant's means were. MISS DIXON was fortunate in having escaped the clutches of such a man as the defendant. The jury awarded MISS DIXON £250 damages and ARMSTRONG £100 _________________________

SLANDER BY A JEALOUS LOVER......Part #1 HEAVY DAMAGES. At the Lancaster Assizes, on Saturday, the case of DIXON and ARMSTRONG v. COWARD, an action to recover damages for slander, was heard. MR. MATTINSON, Q.C., M.P., and MR. MELLOR were for plaintiffs, and MR. SHEE, Q.C., and MR. SANDERSON were for defendant. Plaintiffs were MISS DIXON, of Crosthwaite, near Kendal, and ARMSTRONG, a retired police constable formerly stationed at Crosthwaite and later at Arnside. Defendant is a nurseryman at Troutbeck, and for some years paid his addresses to MISS DIXON (who with her mother possessed a little property adjoining that of defendant at Troutbeck) with a view to marriage. In September, 1895, MISS DIXON broke off the engagement, but defendant would not take his dismissal, and visited time after time at MRS. DIXON's house. He was at last told not to come any more, because his presence annoyed MISS DIXON and made her ill. Then defendant, who believed that ARMSTRONG (who was a married man and 25 years older than MISS DIXON) was his favoured rival, complained to SUPERINTENDENT GRAHAM, of Kendal, about his conduct, and P. S. NOTMAN, in the superintendent's presence, took down the statement, in which defendant said that MRS. DIXON had told him that ARMSTRONG had made her daughter ill. Pressed as to how the constable had made her ill, defendant said the superintendent must draw his own conclusions. As he would not sign the statement, it was destroyed. Later, SIR JOHN DUNNE, Chief Constable of Cumberland and Westmorland, having received a communication from an influential magistrate, directed SUPERINTENDANT GRAHAM to make inquiries respecting the complaint of defendant against ARMSTRONG. He went to Troutbeck, and there defendant made a statement in which he said that MISS DIXON told him that she could not marry him because ARMSTRONG had been unduly familiar with her. He was asked to sign the statement, and he promised to attend at Kendal next day to do so, but failed to attend as promised. Later, however, he did attend at the police station at Kendal, and in SUPERINTENDENT GRAHAM's presence he told SIR JOHN DUNNE that the statements in the document were true. As defendant produced no evidence, the matter ended so far as the police were concerned, SIR JOHN DUNNE stating in a subsequent letter that the statements of ARMSTRONG, MRS. DIXON and MISS DIXON contradicted that of defendant, but that if the latter would put any evidence he had in respect to the matter, in writing, it would be inquired into. Evidence was then given denying the allegations made. Evidence was given by SUPERINTENDENT GRAHAM and SERGENT NOTMAN as to the accuracy of the statements taken down by them; by SIR JOHN DUNNE as to the remarks of the defendant in his interview with him; and by MISS DIXON and ARMSTRONG as to the falseness of the allegations. SIR JOHN DUNNE said that the defendant had subsequently gone about making similar statements, as appeared from letters he (SIR JOHN ) had received from magistrates. ..............................................................................................Part #2 follows.

SLANDER. At Lancaster, on Saturday, a Westmorland nurseryman was ordered to pay £250 damages for slander on the character of MISS ANN DIXON, of Crosthwaite, and £100 for a slander on a policeman.

DEATH. The Worshipful RICHARD S. FERGUSON, chancellor of the diocese of Carlisle and chairman of the Cumberland Quarter Sessions, died on Saturday, at the age of 63 years. He devoted a large portion of his life to literary pursuits, and wrote several historic books on Cumberland and Westmorland, whilst to the anbtiquarian world his death will be deeply felt.

David Not quite sure what you are looking for here, the RG10 reference is 1871. In that Edward Head is 55 and a Farmer and Slate Dealer Born Shap Agness 57 John Son 23 Ag Lab Christopher Son Quarry Man Edward Son 19 Quarry Man John Father 81 Widower and Land Owner Agness the children and the father all born Kentmere. In 1861 they are also in Nook Edward 44 Farmer Agness 46 Christopher 11 Scholar Edward 9 Scholar Jane 4 Scholar RG. 9 / 3963 John -----Original Message----- From: David Martin [mailto:martin.d1@xtra.co.nz] Sent: 15 November 2008 10:00 To: ENG-WESTMORLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Cowperthwaite 1851 & 1861 Census Hi Wonder if someone can help please ? I have a Edward Cowperthwaite with wife Agnes in the 1851 the print I have is not good and I am having trouble reading some of the information. RG10/5279 Folio 5 Page 8 Schedule 12 Nook Edward Cowperthwaite Farmer of ???? John Son Ag Lab Christopher Son Quarry Man Edward Son Quarry Man John Father ??????????? I was not able in the time available to find Edward Agnes and family on the 1861 ? Have them on 1851, 1871, 1881, 1891 Regards David. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there, Is this the right one? If not get back to me. (Both entries Nook Here's the information from the 1851 census. Edward COWPERTHWAITE head age 35 farmer of 14 acres born Westmorland, Shap Agnes COWPERTHWAITE married age 37 farmer's wife born Westmorland, Kendal Kentmere John COWPERTHWAITE son age 3 farmer's son born Westmorland, Kendal Kentmere Christopher COWPERTHWAITE son age 1 farmer's son born Westmorland, Kendal Kentmere John COWPERTHWAITE father age 58 widower owner of 14 acres of land born Westmorland, Kendal Kentmere 1861 Edward COWPERTWAIT head mar 44 farmer, Westmorland, Shap Agnes COWPERTWAIT wife mar 46, Westmoreland Kentmere Christopher COWPERTWAIT son, 11, scholar, Westmoreland Kentmere Edward COWPERTWAIT son, 7, scholar, Westmoreland Kentmere Jane COWPERTWAIT daughter, 1, scholar, Westmoreland Kentmere Take care Jane in Redcar -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Martin Sent: 15 November 2008 08:00 To: ENG-WESTMORLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Cowperthwaite 1851 & 1861 Census Hi Wonder if someone can help please ? I have a Edward Cowperthwaite with wife Agnes in the 1851 the print I have is not good and I am having trouble reading some of the information. RG10/5279 Folio 5 Page 8 Schedule 12 Nook Edward Cowperthwaite Farmer of ???? John Son Ag Lab Christopher Son Quarry Man Edward Son Quarry Man John Father ??????????? I was not able in the time available to find Edward Agnes and family on the 1861 ? Have them on 1851, 1871, 1881, 1891 Regards David. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM

Hi Sarah, I think William Barker of Burton might be one of mine. Could you please send me the image, thanks. Dotty >>From William Barker of Burton about a quack doctor, 1751 > Mr. Dobson of Edenhall 1745 > > If these names mean anything to anyone I will send you the images. > > Sarah > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Besides all of the letters from George Williamson Reveley to his family, there were a few to people I didn't know: All to Rev Williamson: A mariner, John Jefferson, about an indenture on a ship in the Indees for Joseph Williamson. Will of Elizabeth Huntington of East Crothwaite, 1747 Joseph Studholme of St. Nicholas near Carlisle advising his cousin of his wife's death Correspondence between Rev Williamson and Earl of Suffolk, 1747 >From William Barker of Burton about a quack doctor, 1751 Mr. Dobson of Edenhall 1745 If these names mean anything to anyone I will send you the images. Sarah

Hello everyone My x3 great grandfather John Ruthven was born in Kirby Stephen in 1793. I'm having trouble connecting with the women in his life, namely: 1. His mother, Frances Dobson, b. abt 1764 2. His wife, Agnes Birkett, b. abt 1788 to 1791 3. His daughter Jane Ruthven, who married into a Whitwell farming family, the Dennisons, in 1848. If anyone has these families in their tree, or general tips, I'd love to hear from you. Details are below Frances Parker Australia Frances Dobson married James Ruthven 21 Apr 1785, Kirkby Stephen, age 21 yrs, making her birth date about 1764. Their 4 children were born in Kirkby Stephen: Jane 1786, Richard 1789, Frances 1791 and John Ruthven 1793. Frances Ruthven (senior) of Kirkby Stephen was arrested as a lunatic on 27 Dec 1800, sent to Appleby Goal, and has not been heard of since. She is not in any census records, or free BMD or GRO microfiche death records. The witnesses on the marriage record are illegible and the Kendal records office do not have documents for the goal or KS workhouse for this period. I haven't found any solid clues to her likely place of birth yet and am hoping someone researching Dobsons may be able to help. >From on line parish records it appears Dobsons were not living in KS in the 1760s. Agnes Birkett (itt) married John Ruthven 8 Nov 1813, Holy Trinity Kirkland, age 22, making her b. date about 1791. She died in Sept 1861 age 73 years, making her b. date 1788, the date most commonly listed in the census. Her birth place is listed as Lambrigg in the 1851 and 1861 census. One marriage witness is Mugral Birkett and the records office say this is most likely to be Margaret (eg Margrt). There are lots of Birketts in the Kendal area and some Margarets which could be mother or sister but which ones are hers? Jane Ruthven b 1821 Kendal, m. James Dennison (b. 1827 Selside) in 1848. She was living with James, one child, and his brother John in London at the time of the 1851 census. James and John are the sons of Mary (1797-1877) and John Dennison (1788-1874) from Whitwell Folds, Selside By the 1861 census, James has disappeared, Jane and John are still in London and there are 4 children. By the 1871 census, Jane, John senior, and son John Frederick have disappeared. One son has died. The two youngest children, and an additional child are living at the farm with their Dennison grandparents. John Frederick is living with his uncle in 1881 and takes over the farm from 1891. The other children can be readily traced. Whatever happened to Jane, James and John senior? I'm wondering if Find My Past shows a different record to Ancestry or if they immigrated to the USA as others on both sides of the family had done.

----- Original Message ----- From: <TUBBERHALL@aol.com> To: <ENG-WESTMORLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] 1881 census Cockermouth > Hello everyone > Please can some one tell me where my husband's G.grandfather Mark CANN > was > living in 1881? He is on the census as living in Dearham at 9 Grasslot > ?? --- > Civil parish of Ellenborough & Ewanrigg > Thankyou > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

It's a small area of Maryport, as is Ellenborough and Ewanrigg. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: <TUBBERHALL@aol.com> To: <ENG-WESTMORLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:19 AM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] 1881 census Cockermouth > Hello everyone > Please can some one tell me where my husband's G.grandfather Mark CANN > was > living in 1881? He is on the census as living in Dearham at 9 Grasslot > ?? --- > Civil parish of Ellenborough & Ewanrigg > Thankyou > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Dorothy Shirley

Hello everyone Please can some one tell me where my husband's G.grandfather Mark CANN was living in 1881? He is on the census as living in Dearham at 9 Grasslot ?? --- Civil parish of Ellenborough & Ewanrigg Thankyou

This was posted on the Rootsweb Caribbean List today, and re-sent here with permission of the Lister there. I found it thought-provoking, in that we don't always think "beyond our own personal borders" when it comes to war. __________________________________________________________________ The Forgotten Soldiers - first published in the GUARDIAN on November 6 2002 More than four million men and women from Britain's colonies volunteered for service during the first and second world war. Thousands died, and many more were wounded or spent years as PoWs. Yet throughout the rest of the century, their sacrifice was largely ignored ... * Simon Rogers * guardian.co.uk, Monday November 10 2008 00.01 GMT * The Guardian, Monday November 10 2008 * Article history The arrival of the 369th Black infantry regiment in New York after the first world war The arrival of the 369th black infantry regiment in New York after the first world war. Photograph: Bettmann/Corbis Racism in the trenches There was a time when George Blackman would have done anything for the mother country. In 1914, in a flush of youth and patriotism, he told the recruiting officer he was 18 - he was actually 17 - and joined the British West Indies Regiment. "Lord Kitchener said with the black race, he could whip the world," Blackman recalls. "We sang songs: 'Run Kaiser William, run for your life, boy'." He closes his eyes as he sings, and keeps them closed for the rest of our interview. "We wanted to go. The island government told us the king said all Englishmen must go to join the war. The country called all of us." Enthusiasm for the battle was widespread across the Caribbean. While some declared it a white man's war, leaders and thinkers such as the Jamaican Marcus Garvey said young men from the islands should fight in order to prove their loyalty and to be treated as equals. The islands donated £60m in today's money to the war effort - cash they could ill afford. While Kitchener's private attitude was that black soldiers should never be allowed at the front alongside white soldiers, the enormous losses - and the interference of George V - made it inevitable. Although Indian soldiers had been briefly in the trenches in 1914 and 1915, Caribbean troops did not arrive until 1915. When they arrived, they often found that fighting was to be done by white soldiers only - black soldiers were assigned the dirty, dangerous jobs of loading ammunition, laying telephone wires and digging trenches. Conditions were appalling. Blackman rolls up his sleeve to show me his armpit: "It was cold. And everywhere there were white lice. We had to shave the hair there because the lice grow there. All our socks were full of white lice." A poem written by an anonymous trooper, entitled The Black Soldier's Lament, showed how bitter the disappointment was: Stripped to the waist and sweated chest Midday's reprieve brings much-needed rest >From trenches deep toward the sky. Non-fighting troops and yet we die. Yet there is evidence that some Caribbean soldiers were involved in actual combat in France. Photographs from the time show black soldiers armed with British Lee Enfield rifles, and there are reports of West Indies Regiment soldiers fighting off counter-attacks - one account tells how a group fought off a German assault armed only with knives they had brought from home. Blackman still remembers trench fights he fought in, alongside white soldiers. "They called us darkies," he says, recalling the casual racism of the time. "But when the battle starts, it didn't make a difference. We were all the same. When you're there, you don't care about anything. Every man there is under the rifle." He remembers one attack with particular clarity. "The Tommies said: 'Darkie, let them have it.' I made the order: 'Bayonets, fix' and then 'B company, fire'. You know what it is to go and fight somebody hand to hand? You need plenty nerves. You push that bayonet in there and hit with the butt of the gun - if he is dead he is dead, if he live he live." The West Indies Regiment experienced racism from the Germans as well as the British. "The Tommies, they brought up some German prisoners and these prisoners were spitting on their hands and wiping on their faces, to say we were painted black," says Blackman. He didn't make friends. "Don't have no friend. A soldier don't got friends. Know why? You believe that you are dead now. Your friend is this: the gun. That is your friend." . Extract of an interview by Simon Rogers first published in the Guardian on November 6 2002 Notice from the West Indian Contingent Committee (1915) · Directions regarding gifts - this is a list of articles which experience has shown to be useful to our soldiers ... Handkerchiefs, boot laces Cocoa (prepared) Spices (prepared) Chocolate, peppermints and sweets Dried fruits Ginger (prepared) Guava jelly and preserves Hot sauces for salmagundi etc Briar pipes and tobacco pouches Tobacco (in thick tinfoil if possible) Cigarettes, cigarette papers and cigarette tobacco Automatic lighters (not containing oil, spirit or similar substances) Safety matches (in sealed tins) Antiseptic powder Boracic ointment or borated vaseline for sore feet (in small tins) Brompton cough lozenges Jujubes Notepaper, envelopes and pencils

Thank you Dorothy what a very kind thing to do for me it made my day when i checked my mail tonight.I was going to try and find Albert at a later date i will try and find out a little more about how Albert died.Thanks once more Paul Thompson Leicestershire Family from Soulby early 1800,s ----- Original Message ----- From: "DOROTHY WILLIAMS" <dotw@talktalk.net> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day > Hello Paul > > The Commonwealth War Graves Commission records the death and burial of an > Albert E Hooke, Pte, 202527, 1st / 5th Leicestershire Regt, son of William > Henry Hooke of Anstey, died 25/10/1918. Buried St Sever Cemetery > Extension, > Rouen, grave reference S. ll. FF.6. > Is this your man? Rouen was way back behind the lines, so he would have > died either of wounds, or illness, in a hospital there. > > Dorothy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "paul thompson" <p.thompson23@ntlworld.com> > To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day > My mams uncle Albert >> Hooke buried not known (yet) France Albert came from Anstey in >> Leicestershire His father made the the long trip out to France just after >> the war to his sons grave.This must have been a very hard trip at that >> time >> Grt Granddad had never really been out of the village up untill then.How >> he >> managed we will never know he only ever used horse and carts in >> England.Paul >> Thompson Leicestershire home of The Tigers God Bless Them!!! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> >> To: "Genealogy-Cumberland" <Genealogy-Cumberland@googlegroups.com>; >> <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:43 PM >> Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day >> >> >>> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.1/1781 - Release Date: 11/11/2008 08:59

Hello Sarah Yes, my mother was nee WREN. The family is one of the very old families of the parish of Crosthwaite (Cumberland), and we are the Borrowdale branch (again Cumberland). However, some migrated south to Westmorland and Lancashire, so I would be interested in what the Orton tombstone says, if you have the details, please. Dorothy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarah parkin" <sarah@sarahparkin.co.uk> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] ENG-WESTMORLAND Digest, Vol 3, Issue 206 > Hi Sarah, > > Thanks for those lists and I shall have a go at collecting more names. I > note you have a Wren. I found a grave stone in Orton churchyard of a > ....Wilson Wren from Scarside, Orton. It appealed to me as I had relations > living at Scarside in 1881 called Wilson. It could be a coincidence but I > have a photograph somewhere of that stone. > > Regards, > Sarah > >

Hi Sarah, Thanks for those lists and I shall have a go at collecting more names. I note you have a Wren. I found a grave stone in Orton churchyard of a ....Wilson Wren from Scarside, Orton. It appealed to me as I had relations living at Scarside in 1881 called Wilson. It could be a coincidence but I have a photograph somewhere of that stone. Regards, Sarah -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eng-westmorland-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 10 November 2008 04:33 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-WESTMORLAND Digest, Vol 3, Issue 206 Today's Topics: 1. Remembrance Day / Armistice Day (Barb Baker) 2. Re: Remembrance Day / Armistice Day (paul thompson) 3. Re: Remembrance Day / Armistice Day (SarahReveley) 4. Re: Remembrance Day / Armistice Day (Barb Baker) 5. Re: Remembrance Day / Armistice Day (Brian Griffiths) 6. Lest we forget (DOROTHY WILLIAMS) 7. Re: Lest we forget (Shirley Tebay) 8. "To Awaken Remembrance" (SarahReveley) 9. Oh! Tempora - Oh! Mores! (SarahReveley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 07:43:26 -0500 From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day To: "Genealogy-Cumberland" <Genealogy-Cumberland@googlegroups.com>, <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP3092FDC699545D3067C23DA01B0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Please join in remembering. On Monday, I thought I would post the details of all my soldiers Not just from Cumberland or Westmorland, but all of them. Hope you will do the same. Barb, Ontario, Canada. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:35:32 -0000 From: "paul thompson" <p.thompson23@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <905B869E23684E69BB641ABED6736BBC@mrc5zajy375h3r> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I think that would be very good Barb they should never be forgotten.Paul Thompson Leicester England Home of The Tigers! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> To: "Genealogy-Cumberland" <Genealogy-Cumberland@googlegroups.com>; <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day > Please join in remembering. > > On Monday, I thought I would post the details of all my soldiers > Not just from Cumberland or Westmorland, but all of them. > > Hope you will do the same. > > Barb, Ontario, Canada. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1777 - Release Date: 09/11/2008 09:53 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:04:14 -0600 From: "SarahReveley" <sarahreveley@grandecom.net> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B1058B8DC6884D54A449A53AB541FE00@DellOpti> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Barb! I have always made a point of photographing monuments and close ups of names, have quite a few, is there a website somewhere I can mail them to? I have Westmorland, Cumberland, Yorkshire, and Northumberland. Have one from Wales now. Dorothy Williams in Preston has several great uncles killed in the Great War, and visits cemeteries and trenches and battlefields, she got me started on it. I have some from Mamma's side in Germany. It felt strange at first to see the German heroes, my ancestors, but all of the men fought for their countries, and I felt proud to be there. Sarah in Texas I think that would be very good Barb they should never be forgotten.Paul > Please join in remembering. > > On Monday, I thought I would post the details of all my soldiers > Not just from Cumberland or Westmorland, but all of them. > > Hope you will do the same. > > Barb, Ontario, Canada. > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:29:25 -0500 From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP24292116C1CA01C64580A0A01B0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I don't know of any website for photos. What I had in mind was just the name, regiment, where born, where died, and the dates. Just so that we "Remember". Does anyone else know of a website ??? Barb. >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "SarahReveley" <sarahreveley@grandecom.net<<<<<< ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:04:50 -0000 From: "Brian Griffiths" <mail@briangriffiths.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <52C10401AE1A4780A58E800F8058681F@BRIANFERRARI> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Something like the BBC "Wall of Remembrance" maybe? http://www.bbc.co.uk/remembrance/ Brian |-----Original Message----- |From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com |[mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barb Baker |Sent: 09 November 2008 20:29 |To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com |Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day | |I don't know of any website for photos. | |What I had in mind was just the name, regiment, where born, |where died, and the dates. Just so that we "Remember". | |Does anyone else know of a website ??? | |Barb. | |>>>>----- Original Message ----- |From: "SarahReveley" <sarahreveley@grandecom.net<<<<<< | | |------------------------------- |To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to |ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word |'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body |of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:30:46 -0000 From: "DOROTHY WILLIAMS" <dotw@talktalk.net> Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Lest we forget To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001c01c942b2$73d01b40$1c59954e@DotWilliams> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well now, Sarah, you've got me going again! Here are my blood relatives who fell in the Great War. I dont think my family unusual in any way. The only one I've always known about was my mother's brother, Isaac Wren. The others I have picked up over the years from doing family history. Whenever I find a boy born between say, 1880-ish and 1900, I always check to see if they served and if they survived or not. Boys born in this time slot are the ones who went to battle, by and large. You've probably all got more than you think, you've just got to look for them. 17178 Pte Isaac WREN, 8 / East Yorkshire Regt, KIA 26/9/1915. aged 17, Battle of Loos. Remembered on the Loos Memorial. (My mother's brother). His story is on Steve Scott's site "Keswick at war". 49383 Pte Isaac HARTLEY, 2/5 King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regt), KIA 28/9/1918, aged 21. Battle of the Canal du Nord. Buried Anneux British Cemetery. 266541 Spr. William HARRIS, 96th Light Railway Operating Coy, Royal Engineers, KIA 30/12/1917, aged 22. Buried Hadra War Memorial Cemetery, Alexandria. 23487 Pte. Lancelot HARRIS, 10 / Royal Welsh Fusiliers, KIA 13/11/1916, during the last of the Battles of the Somme (Battle of the Ancre), aged 25. Remembered on the Thiepval Memorial. Brother to William. 9087 Pte. James PARK, Coldstream Guards, DOW 17/9/1914, Battle of the Aisne, aged 21. Grave subsequently lost. Remembered on La Ferte Sous Jouarre Memorial. 11239 Pte. Norman Atkinson GRISDALE, 6 / Border Regt, wounded at Gallipoli, taken to Cairo, DOW Cairo, aged 20. Buried Cairo War Memorial Cemetery. 2nd Lt Herbert Edward LEYLAND, 179th Tunnelling Coy, Royal Engineers. DOW 17/10/1917, aged 38. Buried Dozinghem Military Cemetery. 83033 Spr. John MARSHALL, 105th Field Coy, Royal Engineers, KIA 10/4/1918, aged 22, Battle of the Lys. Remembered on the Ploegsteert Memorial. 7369 Pte. Arthur HEBBLETHWAITE, York & Lancaster Regt, wounded during the Battle of the Aisne, evacuated to Blighty, DOW 29/10/1914, aged 30. Buried Norton Cemetery, Sheffield. 13970 Pte. Albert SMITH, 9 / Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry, KIA 16/9/1916, during another of the Somme Battles (Battle of Flers), aged 34. Remembered on the Thiepval Memorial. Albert was born Herbert Hebblethwaite (brother to Arthur, and both brothers to my grandfather). Albert had committed some abomination before the war, we dont know what, but enlisted and died under an alias. 32561 Rn. Francis Edward CAZALY, 8 / Kings Royal Rifle Corps, KIA 11/10/1917, aged 30. Remembered on the Tyne Cot Memorial. 8937 Pte. George Leonard CAZALY, 4 / Royal Fusiliers, KIA 25/4/1916, aged 19. Buried Kemmel Chateau Mlitary Cemetery. Brother to Francis. 202852 Pte. Fred Burns DOCKERAY, 1 / Border Regt, KIA 15/10/1918, aged 23. Buried Dadizeele New British Cemetery. 307666 Pte William BARWISE, 1/8/ Sherwood Forresters (Notts & Derby Regt), KIA 23/4/1917 during the Battle of Arras. Remembered on the Arras Memorial. WW2 Joseph Eric HURDING, went down with HMS "Daring", 18/2/1940. Remembered on the Portsmouth Naval Memorial. 7623468 Pte Tom WREN, RAOC, died 7/1/1943, aged 23. Buried Enfidaville War Cemetery. When I visited Fred Dockeray's grave in September, close by was Gunner Crouch. What was written on his tombstone just about says it all "Forget me not. My summer days soon passed away". Dorothy. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:10:23 -0000 From: "Shirley Tebay" <shirley.tebay@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Lest we forget To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <008901c942b7$f737fde0$0200a8c0@acer56fb35423d> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Good evening List, although this is meant primarily for Dorothy, it may be of interest to some other Listers. A few years ago Jack Hill from Sedbergh ( Billy Tebay's nephew) began to research the men on the Sedbergh War Memorial and he gave me all his notes. >From these I added to them some military details but mainly family histories of each man plus their photos and eventually made them into a "book" using plastic pockets and Lever Arch files. 4 were made. One is lodged with the Sedbergh and District History Society, 1 with Sedbergh School, another copy was given to Jack Hill ( now deceased) and I have a 4th copy. This was just WW1. Jack also covered WW2 but felt it too recent to be "published" just yet. Every year since then we have held an exhibition in one or more shop windows in Sedbergh during Armistice week This year the War Memorial at Sedbergh was restored and some missing names added. It was re-dedicated today. A group of us from the History Society are embarking on producing a series of 3 booklets on the War Memorials starting with Sedbergh, then Dent and finally Garsdale, Cautley and Howgill. These will eventually go on sale and the profits given to the British Legion. I am aware that Sedbergh was in Yorkshire but I know there are several Listers with ancestors from thereabouts. Constantly remembering them Shirley ( from Dent) ----- Original Message ----- From: "DOROTHY WILLIAMS" <dotw@talktalk.net> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Lest we forget > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:18:46 -0600 From: "SarahReveley" <sarahreveley@grandecom.net> Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] "To Awaken Remembrance" To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8360610EE3F645B591891497DC12B22E@DellOpti> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.picturetrail.com/sarahstravels Just put my Cumbria Great War memorials at my sarahstravels website, first album. I have more but not in time for tomorrow. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:32:37 -0600 From: "SarahReveley" <sarahreveley@grandecom.net> Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Oh! Tempora - Oh! Mores! To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <336DCBF58202493794D32CD4893A881A@DellOpti> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original circa 1778: For the CUMBERLAND PACQUET The following lines were written by a Youth who came from America to England, for Education: and now detained on Account of the present disturbances. Oh! Tempora - Oh! Mores! LONG have I labour'd big with anxious Care, Rack'd by two passions, Hope and dull Despair; Far from my Kindred and my native Home, Doom'd a sad Exile, in strange Lands to roam: Not the soft language of a feeling Friend, To ease my sorrows one sad sigh to lend; Nought but fell rumours of a horrid War, Of slaughter'd Thousands, and of civil Jar; Of bleeding Heroes, and of death-bed Groans, The Shrieks of Orphans, and the Widows Moans ; Of Fathers weltering in their Children's Gore; All is Distraction and confus'd Uproar! Such Ills, alas ! - what pious Soul can name, And not be struck with Dread and inward Shame! That Men, like Beasts, should on each other prey, In search of Honours and imperial Sway; A Heap of Bubbles, that are blown away! O thou Almighty! hear a Suppliant's Pray'r, And place a Period to a Load of Care; Let Peace and Plenty now, once more abound, The Bow be broke, the Trumpet cease to sound . St. Bees [i] Actual copy of newspaper; Kendal Record Office, Reveley folder. Samuel Reveley, the Vicar of Crosby Ravensworth, Westmorland, emigrated to America in 1765 as a youth with his family. In 1775 he was sent back to England to attend St. Bees. The family hadn't dreamed that the next year the American Revolution would keep Samuel from returning home to Woodend. In 1778, this poem appeared in the Cumberland Pacquet. The words "Mr Reveley" were added in pen and ink to the copy in the Reveley folder. ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-WESTMORLAND list administrator, send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the ENG-WESTMORLAND mailing list, send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-WESTMORLAND Digest, Vol 3, Issue 206 ***********************************************

Private Chester Danes BAKER #451780, b. Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. 58th Battalion, Canadian Infantry (Central Ontario Regiment) Killed in Action, age 18, on Monday, 30th September, 1918 Remembered with Honour at Crest Cemetery, Nord, France. Private John Edmund JONES #850300, b. Worcestershire, England Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (Eastern Ontario Regiment) Died of wounds, age 19, Thursday, 21st November, 1918 at No. 18 General Hospital, Cannes, Camiers, Shell Gas and Bronchial Pneumonia. Interred and Remembered with Honour at Etapes Military Cemetery, France Private Alexander HUTCHINSON #11352, b. Penrith, Cumberland, England Machine Gun Corps (Infantry), 117th Coy. Died 04 August, 1917 Remembered with Honour, by name, on the walls of Menin Gate, Ypres, Belgium Pilot Officer Earle Edward BAKER, b. Hamilton, Ontario, Canada J/85766, 404 Squadron, Royal Canadian Air Force Died 12 August 1944, age 29. Remembered with Honour at Pornic War Cemetery, France Barb, Ontario, Canada.

Hello Paul The Commonwealth War Graves Commission records the death and burial of an Albert E Hooke, Pte, 202527, 1st / 5th Leicestershire Regt, son of William Henry Hooke of Anstey, died 25/10/1918. Buried St Sever Cemetery Extension, Rouen, grave reference S. ll. FF.6. Is this your man? Rouen was way back behind the lines, so he would have died either of wounds, or illness, in a hospital there. Dorothy ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul thompson" <p.thompson23@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day My mams uncle Albert > Hooke buried not known (yet) France Albert came from Anstey in > Leicestershire His father made the the long trip out to France just after > the war to his sons grave.This must have been a very hard trip at that > time > Grt Granddad had never really been out of the village up untill then.How > he > managed we will never know he only ever used horse and carts in > England.Paul > Thompson Leicestershire home of The Tigers God Bless Them!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> > To: "Genealogy-Cumberland" <Genealogy-Cumberland@googlegroups.com>; > <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:43 PM > Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day > > >>

My Grt Granddad Private Fredrick Horace Ward "D" Coy 1st Bn .South Staffs Who died aged 36 on Sunday 27th October 1918. Remembered with honour TEZZE BRITISH CEMETERY ,ITALY Also my dads uncle Private 22175 Joseph Thompson 11th Bn Leicestershire Regiment Buried ACHEUX BRITISH CEMETERY Somme France My mams uncle Albert Hooke buried not known (yet) France Albert came from Anstey in Leicestershire His father made the the long trip out to France just after the war to his sons grave.This must have been a very hard trip at that time Grt Granddad had never really been out of the village up untill then.How he managed we will never know he only ever used horse and carts in England.Paul Thompson Leicestershire home of The Tigers God Bless Them!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb Baker" <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> To: "Genealogy-Cumberland" <Genealogy-Cumberland@googlegroups.com>; <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Remembrance Day / Armistice Day > Please join in remembering. > > On Monday, I thought I would post the details of all my soldiers > Not just from Cumberland or Westmorland, but all of them. > > Hope you will do the same. > > Barb, Ontario, Canada. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1777 - Release Date: 09/11/2008 09:53