DEATHS. JACKSON - On the 11th inst., FOREST FORTESCUE RINGDON, infant son of MR. B. S. JACKSON, surgeon dentist, Mostyn Hall, Penrith, aged 5 months. SCOTT - At Kirkoswald, on the 12th inst., MR. JOS. SCOTT, aged 53 years. CREIGHTON - At 36 Bevington Road, Notting Hill, London, on the 7th inst., MR. ROBERT CREIGHTON, joiner, late of Skirsgill, aged 28 years. EGGLESTON - At Great Strickland, on the 7th inst., MARGARET, relict of the late THOMAS EGGLESTON, aged 56 years. HOWE - At 16, Newlands Terrace, on the 12th inst., MRS. DINAH HOWE, relict of the late JACOB HOWE, of Ormathwaite Farm, Keswick, aged 54 years. GRAY - In Scotland-road, Penrith, on the 9th inst., GEORGE, and on the 10th EDWARD, infant twin sons of MR. WILLIAM GRAY. HARRISON - At Wilson's Row, Penrith, on the 7th inst., MRS. ANN HARRISON, aged 68 years, - much respected. HEWETSON - Drowned, whilst on his passage out to Philadelphia, on Nov. 18th, 1873, JOHN HEWETSON, of the barque ' Russell ' and eldest surviving son of MR. JOSEPH HEWETSON, Newcastle, formerly of the Bell and Bullock Hotel, in this town, aged 17 years. LAWSON - At 47, Rial-street, Hulme, Manchester, on the 6th instant, HANNAH, wife of MR. THOMAS LAWSON, and youngest daughter of the late MR. THOMAS YARE, of Crosbyravensworth, aged 32 years.

LAVERTY - JOHNSTON - At the Parish Church, Penrith, on the 8th inst., by the REV. C. H. GEM, curate, MR. JAMES T. LAVERTY, of Penrith to MISS MARGARET JOHNSTON, of Staffield.

BIRTHS. WOOD - At 4, Little Dockray, Penrith, on the 12th inst., the wife of MR. HENRY WOOD, of a son. JACKSON - In Scotland-road, Penrith, on the 10th inst., the wife of CAPTAIN JACKSON, of a son.

Thank you Stuart !! Do I have your permission to send the gent your e-mail address ? Barb. >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Cresswell" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:32 AM Subject: HEBSON / HOBSON in Morland<<<<<<<

David, I have only two Ellwoods but would be delighted to extend my entries as they relate to other members of my family. I attach a very brief gedcom file that has all the information to hand. I hope that it helps. Brian -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Foster Sent: 08 January 2009 12:46 To: Westmorland Mailing List Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Ellwoods of Dufton Hall I have for some time been researching the family of John Ellwood (1795-1872) of Dufton Hall, Dufton, Westmorland, & his wife Nancy. Are there any living relatives out there doing the same? If so, I'd be very keen to share information. David Foster ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David, I have been interested in the Ellwoods of Dufton for a while now and have a largish database of Ellwoods including your John and family. My Ellwood Dufton line goes back to Edwarde Elwald d1591 Dufton who married Elyne. I have your John 1795-1872 married Nancy Bell 1805-1876 in Dufton 2/8/1825. I have John's parents as Thomas Ellwood and Elizabeth Willon. I have traced John's line back to Thomas b1670 Dufton. What else would you like to know? Regards, Gillian ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Foster" <david@poutandfoster.co.uk> To: "Westmorland Mailing List" <Eng-Westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 1:45 PM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Ellwoods of Dufton Hall >I have for some time been researching the family of John Ellwood >(1795-1872) > of Dufton Hall, Dufton, Westmorland, & his wife Nancy. > > Are there any living relatives out there doing the same? > > If so, I'd be very keen to share information. > > David Foster > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have for some time been researching the family of John Ellwood (1795-1872) of Dufton Hall, Dufton, Westmorland, & his wife Nancy. Are there any living relatives out there doing the same? If so, I'd be very keen to share information. David Foster

That must be her as my grandfather was Richard born 1892 and he had a sister Agnes younger than himself. There was another child Jane but I think she went to relatives in West Derby after Harriet's husband James Jackson died.. I could not find her on 1901 census at all. I tried several times on the 1901 census and kept getting reply no result to my search. Thankyou so much again Barbara. You have been a tremendous help. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Barb Baker <bbaker48@sympatico.ca> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:10 Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Searching Blenkinships Hello Margaret: There is this Harriet JACKSON on the 1901; could this be your great grandmother ? Harriet Jackson Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt. 1859 Head of Household Female Where Born: Selside, Westmorland, England Civil Parish: Sedbergh Ecclesiastical Parish: St. Andrew Town: Soolbank County: Lancashire Country: England Registration District: Sedbergh Harriet is shown as "Widow" and is a "charwoman". With her are two children....Richard JACKSON, age 9 and Agnes JACKSON, age 6. Barb, Ontario, Canada. >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: <marge70111@aol.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Searching Blenkinships I tried to find Harriet and family on the 1901 census as she did move after 1st husband James Jackson died, but she doesnt show up on that census-----what an illusive woman my great grandmother was.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Hello Michael Thank you for telling me about GENUKI, I have made a list of things to look up regarding Edward and Cat Bank, from the input that I have received from the list. Regards chris smith -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Lightfoot Sent: 06 January 2009 20:52 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Edward Forsyth On Wednesday 07 January 2009 03:05:13 C. H. J. Smith wrote: > I don’t really know if it comes under Westmorland, Cumberland or > Lancashire. > Have you checked GENUKI? Most county sites have at least a list of parishes and some a list of towns and localities. -- ==== Michael Lightfoot Canberra, Australia michael.lightfoot@pcug.org.au ==== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1879 - Release Date: 06/01/2009 17:16 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1882 - Release Date: 08/01/2009 08:13

Thank you for the information Alan, I hope to be able to pay a visit this year and the direction's will help me find it. Regards chris smith -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alan Swindale Sent: 06 January 2009 20:01 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Edward Forsyth Chris, Cat Bank is 0.5km south-west of Coniston. My gg-grandfather Thomas Gregg was living there in 1851 and 1861 when he was working in the copper mines. Alan Swindale > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C. H. J. Smith > Sent: 06 January 2009 16:05 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Edward Forsyth > > Hello List > > > > I wonder if anyone on the list could help me, I have a birth > certificate for > an Edward Forsyth born 19 Aug 1885 at No 1 Cat Bank Church Coniston, > the > registration district is Ulverston, sub district is Hawkeshead and the > county is Lancashire. > > I don't really know if it comes under Westmorland, Cumberland or > Lancashire. > > > > Would anyone have such an Edward Forsyth in their tree and also would > anyone > know anything about the address and where in might be, as I have looked > it > up on the net but no luck. > > > > With my thanks. > > > > Regards Chris smith > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1879 - Release Date: 06/01/2009 17:16 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1882 - Release Date: 08/01/2009 08:13

Hello Margaret: There is this Harriet JACKSON on the 1901; could this be your great grandmother ? Harriet Jackson Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt. 1859 Head of Household Female Where Born: Selside, Westmorland, England Civil Parish: Sedbergh Ecclesiastical Parish: St. Andrew Town: Soolbank County: Lancashire Country: England Registration District: Sedbergh Harriet is shown as "Widow" and is a "charwoman". With her are two children....Richard JACKSON, age 9 and Agnes JACKSON, age 6. Barb, Ontario, Canada. >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: <marge70111@aol.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Searching Blenkinships I tried to find Harriet and family on the 1901 census as she did move after 1st husband James Jackson died, but she doesnt show up on that census-----what an illusive woman my great grandmother was.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Hello Barbara, I tried to find Harriet and family on the 1901 census as she did move after 1st husband James Jackson died, but she doesnt show up on that census-----what an illusive woman my great grandmother was. Hello again, Margaret: There is an interesting entry on the 1891 British Census, showing a James JACKSON, age 62, Gameskeeper, born Sedbergh, Yorkshire, along with his wife Harriet M. age 32, born Kendal, Westmorland, and their daughters...Elizabeth, age 4 and Jane, age 1, both born Sedbergh, Yorkshire. Maybe your James did not die in 1890 (?). I could send you the image of the census page if you would like to have it. I'll have a look on the FreeBMD and see what I can find. Barb, Ontario, Canada. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

I have been contacted by a gent in Quebec, who is asking for some help with discerning whether the HEBSON surname is or was interchangeable with the HOBSON surname. The HEBSON surname seems uniquely associated with Morland, and entries in the Morland Parish Registers 1538 - 1742 seem to show up as that surname, until the marriage in 1633 of an Edmond HOBSON. This entry is later followed by a 1664 marriage for HEBSON/ROBINSON, and a further burial for the same male, where the name HEBSON is recorded. The wife's burial and the baptisms of the children of this marriage are all listed as HOBSON. The gent in Quebec has done extensive investigation (studying wills in Carlisle, including the ways O's and E's were written in those days on other documents, which led him to believe that each surname was distinct and not interchangeable. But, then, looking at the above Morland Registers has made him wonder. I could forward two documents to anyone who might be able to assist with this. One is a Word Document created by the gent in Quebec; the other shows O's and E's relevant to the time period. I could facilitate the exchange of e-mail addresses to anyone who can offer any insight on the HEBSON/HOBSON problem and who would feel comfortable with my passing on his/her e-mail address. Or, alternately, I could "cut and paste" your input and send it on to the gent. An interesting conundrum !! Barb, Ontario, Canada. bbaker48@sympatico.ca

On Wednesday 07 January 2009 03:05:13 C. H. J. Smith wrote: > I don’t really know if it comes under Westmorland, Cumberland or > Lancashire. > Have you checked GENUKI? Most county sites have at least a list of parishes and some a list of towns and localities. -- ==== Michael Lightfoot Canberra, Australia michael.lightfoot@pcug.org.au ====

PENRITH HERALD and East Cumberland and Westmorland News. =================================================== ADVENTUROUS TRAVELLERS. MR. C. ROBERTS, writing from San Francisco on the 5th of December, informs the "Toronto Globe" that he and MR. P. BERESFORD HOPE have crossed the American continent on British territory, with the exception of the short canal at the Sault St. Marie, which is on United States territory. They landed at Quebec in May, and proceeded via Toronto, to Fort Garry, by way of the Georgian Bay, the north shore of Lake Superior, and the Dawson-road. They left Fort Garry on the 24th of July, to cross the plains to Fort Edmonton by way of Forts Ellice, Carleton, and Pitt, and arrived there on the 4th of September, riding on horseback, and carrying provisions and baggage in the common Red River carts. >From Edmonton they started with a pack train of nine horses, for Jasper's-house, and crossed the Rocky Mountains by the Yellow Head Pass and Tete Jaune Cache, and down the Cranberry, Albreda, and North Thompson valley to Kamloops. where they arrived on the 5th of November. They proceeded by stage to Yale and thence to Victoria by steamboat, arriving there on the 15th of November, just six months after landing at Quebec. In their long journey, they encountered no difficulties except such as are common to travel in unsettled countries. They had tolerable sport among the prairie grouse and wild ducks, but were frightfully tormented by mosquitoes. They had the usual troubles with perverse pack-horses, but the great scarcity of food in the forest, and the back packing, soon reduced them, not only to a state of subjection, but dejection, and of the 14 horses used between Edmonton and Kamloops, only seven reached the latter place, and of that number only two were equal to a day's work. Between the Macleod and the Athabasca rivers, the travellers were caught in a snowstorm, and were detained one day, and had to travel the whole of the next day through snow 12 or 14 inches deep, but otherwise they had remarkable fine weather, having had only one thunderstorm in the night and two wet days during the three and a half months' journey. >From the lateness of the season and the low temperature in the mountains, all the rivers were low, and there were none of the dangers and difficulties in crossing them which LORD MILTON and DR. CHEADLE experienced in their adventurous journey over the same ground ten years ago. "Throughout the journey," writes MR. ROBERTS, "we received the greatest kindness and assistance from the officers in charge of the Hudson Bay stations, without which, indeed, our journey could not have been attempted. We were also much indebted to MR. W. MOBERLEY and MR. SELWYN (who were at Tete Juane Cache, on their survey of the Yellow Head Pass) for much kindness, guidance and assistance. It would be trespassing too much on your space to give our impressions of the country through which we passed, but I must express our convictions of the fitness of a very large portion of the north-west territory for agricultural purposes, and, without pretending to any knowledge of engineering, but from a practical knowledge of railways in Switzerland and other parts of Europe, our belief that the proposed Canada Pacific Railway is a perfectly practical undertaking, and one which is not only necessary for opening up the country, but for the consolidation, and, indeed, for securing the very existence of the Dominion, and when completed it will form one of the strongest bonds of union between "the old country" and Canada. Further, we would advocate the construction of the line by the Government, as it is impossible to conceive the political consequences which might result from placing so large a tract of valuable land in the hands of a private company. "

PENRITH HERALD and East Cumberland and Westmorland News. ======================================================= (Excerpts) TOWN TALK. by our special correspondent. Out readers will understand that we do not hold ourselves responsible for our able Correspondent's opinions. The representatives of two very ancient titles have died this week. LORD DE ROS, the premier Baron of England, the 20th in descent, who, A.D. 1264, was summoned to the Parliament called by the Barons, when HENRY III and his son PRINCE EDWARD became prisoners. The second Baron was an unsuccessful competitor for the crown of Scotland. The late peer was in the Life Guards, and served in the American War on particular service a Quartermaster-General, but was invalided. He held various appointments about the Court. His son and successor is also a colonel of Life Guards, and an official courtier. The peer to whom the late Lord succeeded was the subject of a very amusing and scandalous trial, somewhere about 1835, from a habit he had at Crockford's of always having the best trumps at whist. In this trial a Whig baronet and M.P., SIR WILLIAM INGILBY, gave some very curious evidence. ______________________________________________ The title of the BARONESS DE CLIFFORD, who departed this life last week, at the mature age of 83, dates back to 1299. The first Baron was Earl Marshal of England in 1307, and was slain at the battle of Bannockburn. ______________________________________________ I think if some of those who teach young people history at schools were to bring in the names of such living representatives of ancient titles present on remarkable events, as well as quotations from poems and plays, history would not be considered "dry."

PENRITH HERALD and East Cumberland and Westmorland News. ======================================================= BURNING OF MANITOBA PARLIAMENT HOUSE. (From the "Manitoban.") It was about nine o'clock on the night of the 3rd of December that the Parliament-house was discovered to be on fire by MR. CROWSON, who lived in and had charge of the premises, and on the alarm being given there was a general turn-out of citizens to the spot. Had there been a few buckets of water handy at the commencement of the fire, there is every reason to believe that the House would have been saved, but before any water could be obtained, the fire had gained such headway that the attention of those in the building was given to saving the furniture, &c. The windows were broken open on the second story, and chairs, tables, desks, books and papers were hurled out indiscriminately, and amid the confusion, it is feared many valuable documents have been lost or destroyed. The wind, which was blowing quite a gale at the time, carried off many papers which will probably never again be heard of. The throne and Speaker's chair were removed to a place of safety, as well as the members' desks and other furniture, and in a very short time the building appeared to be gutted of everything except the library. The work of taking the books from the shelves and hurling them out of the windows occupied some time, and before all the volumes could be got out, the fire had reached the stairway, and it was necessary to abandon the task. During all this time, water by the bucketful was all that could be obtained, and not a sufficient supply of that to do any good. MR. RADIGER, with a Babcock extinguisher on his back, moved about from place to place, ready at any moment to douse any flame that might spring up among the surrounding buildings. Some time after the flames had gained full headway, the fire engine from Fort Garry was brought to the spot by a number of men of the Provisional Battalion and several of our citizens. The hose was quickly attached to the engine, a number of water sleighs from the neighbouring houses, keeping up a regular communication between the river and the fire-engine. The fire, however, gradually reduced the building to ashes. The structure was very substantial, and, on account of the walls having been filled in between the studding with mud, it burnt very slowly. The night was bitterly cold, and in consequence, many of those working at the fire were frostbitten, and in some cases, through the excitement of the moment, were unaware of the fact for some time. An attempt had been made to remove the safe, but it was found impossible to do so, and it was left to its fate; no fears are felt, however, for the safety of its contents. The ruins present a desolate appearance, and the absence of one of the largest buildings in Winnipeg creates a great void in our principal street.

Chris, Cat Bank is 0.5km south-west of Coniston. My gg-grandfather Thomas Gregg was living there in 1851 and 1861 when he was working in the copper mines. Alan Swindale > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C. H. J. Smith > Sent: 06 January 2009 16:05 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Edward Forsyth > > Hello List > > > > I wonder if anyone on the list could help me, I have a birth > certificate for > an Edward Forsyth born 19 Aug 1885 at No 1 Cat Bank Church Coniston, > the > registration district is Ulverston, sub district is Hawkeshead and the > county is Lancashire. > > I don't really know if it comes under Westmorland, Cumberland or > Lancashire. > > > > Would anyone have such an Edward Forsyth in their tree and also would > anyone > know anything about the address and where in might be, as I have looked > it > up on the net but no luck. > > > > With my thanks. > > > > Regards Chris smith > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hello List I wonder if anyone on the list could help me, I have a birth certificate for an Edward Forsyth born 19 Aug 1885 at No 1 Cat Bank Church Coniston, the registration district is Ulverston, sub district is Hawkeshead and the county is Lancashire. I don’t really know if it comes under Westmorland, Cumberland or Lancashire. Would anyone have such an Edward Forsyth in their tree and also would anyone know anything about the address and where in might be, as I have looked it up on the net but no luck. With my thanks. Regards Chris smith

Chris, I have just noticed there is a Grandaughter listed with the Forsyth family on the 1901 Census. Annie aged 2 Born Blackburn Lancashire Also another Son Albert E aged 4 I have sent the image off list. Regards AudreyM. nee Miskelly In Cumbria