THE HERALD OFFICE. SATURDAY, JANUARY 24, 1874. MARRIAGE LAW REFORM As the coming session will in all probability bring the present Parliament to a close, it is highly probable that great efforts will be made to overtake such arrears of work as have hitherto remained imperfect or been altogether unattempted. Should our anticipations prove to be correct, we may expect to witness a fair amount of really useful legislation. Setting aside the strictly political and economic questions which are certain to be discussed, we venture on a few remarks upon the presiding claims of Marriage Law Reform - a topic which will be raised upon SIR THOMAS CHAMBERS' Bill to legalise marriage with a deceased wire's sister. This measure has already passed the Commons by repeated and significant majorities, but has hitherto suffered defeat in the House of Lords, where, as our readers need scarcely be reminded, the legislation of 1835 took origin. The DUKE OF BEAUFORT of that day had contracted one of these marriages and LORD LYNDHURST, by an Act which confirmed this nobleman's alliance and legalised the issue of his marriage, went the length of declaring all marriages with a deceased wife's sister on and after September 1st, 1835, null and void. These, marriages which were heretofore regarded as valid in this country, and are to this hour sanctioned in every other nation throughout Christendom, have come to be regarded as incestuous and immoral. Now, without entering at length upon the religious aspect of this controversy, we are bound to avow that by no plain common-sense interpretation can the oft-quoted passage in Leviticus (xxiii. 18) be rendered applicable to conditions after the decease of the first wife. The contracting parties to marriage with a deceased wife's sister are to be found in every condition of life; the poor looking upon such alliances as natural and suitable, while persons in a higher position, regard them as strictly consonant with the teaching of God's Word. Seeing, then, that legislative enactment has been unable to prevent the multiplication of such marriages, and that no Divine prohibition can be urged, we contend, in the interest of social concord and domestic purity, for the repeal of LORD LYNDHURST's obnoxious measure. The Church of Rome has always granted dispensations to Catholics contemplating marriage of this order, surely the simple fact that in Great Britain alone, marriage with a deceased wife's sister is pronounced illegal, should energise the efforts of all who are interested in the repeal of this oppressive Act. As one glances at the effects produced by this ill-starred measure, it seems scarcely possible to believe that such an Act should have been passed within the last forty years by a Parliament which just before this event had submitted to the process of reform, and which has since placed on the statute book so many beneficial enactments. The amendment of the marriage law is no party question, the names of Whigs and Tories, Constitutionalists and Radicals, are strangely mingled in the division lists on this question. The evils and heart burning engendered by LORD LYNDHURST's Act are rather increased than diminished as time rolls along. Officers of the Army and Navy, clergymen of the established church, and ministers of other religious communions, scions of the aristocracy, and men of high standing in the several walks of professional, mercantile, and social life, are more or less affected by the existence of this obnoxious and unsound law. Nor is the matter, however seriously debated, without its ludicrous aspect. One learned opponent rises in his place on the floor of St. Stephen's to complain that SIR THOMAS CHAMBERS' Bill contemplates the abolition of sisters-in-law; while another, who is favourable to the measure, justifies his support of its provisions by remarking that it enables a man to marry again without submitting to the incovenience of a second mother-in-law. Then, again, how unseemly is the change wrought by comparison of dates. A widower who, on the 31st August, 1835, married his deceased wife's sister is held to be living in lawful wedlock, while his confrere, who, from circumstances which he could not control, was not married until the 1st of September in the same year, is, through being twelve hours too late, pronounced guilty of having contracted an alliance which is illegal, and consequently void. The status, solemnity, and moral tone of marriage are degraded by this wanton and injustifiable interference of the legislature in a matter that must, after all, be largely governed by the affection and discretion of the contracting parties. In other cases, co-habitation can be condoned by marriage; in this instance, marriage is placed on a level with concubinage; the rites of conscience are ignored; the teaching of Holy Scripture is disregarded; and the children of men and women who, in their inmost hearts, believe themselves to be joined together according to God's will and commandment in holy matrimony, are, in common with their parents laid open to the inuendoes of the frivolous and the insults of the profane. By all the considerations therefore of good feeling and sound policy, we urge the prompt and summary repeal of the Marriage Act of 1835, being convinced that legislation on such a matter is neither wise nor fitting. LORD LYNDHURST's measure has not operated to deter widowers from marrying the sisters of their deceased wives, and is to that extent powerless. Hence we maintain that the fair, honest, and Christian way of escape from the difficulty thus created is to repeal the Marriage Act of 1835, and leave the marrying and marriageable portion of the public free to choose within the limits of the Divine revelation has prescribed in respect of consanguinity. ===========================================

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RITUALISM IN THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND. The REV. DR. LANDELS recently read a paper on the "Evils of Ritualism", in which he said, the seedpod of Ritualism in this country was in the Prayer Book of the Church of England. Hence the difficulty of Evangelical members of that church dealing with the Ritualism now rampant. They could not touch a Ritualistic parson, they could not touch a Ritualistic practice, because Ritualism in the germ entered into nearly all the services of the Church, and the extreme ritualists were only systematic and consistent. No man could read that Prayer Book with an unbiased mind, without perceiving that the essence of ritualism was to be found everywhere in it, from the beginning to the end. In the ordination service, it was as if the Holy Ghost trickled down the bishop's fingers. Did not the candidate, however inexperienced, however silly, and however worthless, although his after-life showed no sign whatever of his being possessed of the Holy Ghost, rise up from his knees after ordination possessed of a power at the very thought of which mortal man might tremble. A mechanical act was supposed to produce a purely spiritual result. One man was empowered by a bishop to go between another man and God. He asserted fearlessly that the man who could pass with good faith through the ordination service, could not consistently be shocked at the loftiest pretensions of the most arrogant members of the order to which he belonged. And the other offices of the Church were in harmony with this. The shadow of ritualism met a man at the communion table; it entered his death chamber, and was eager to retain its hold of him to the last, it followed him to his grave and muttered the blasphemies over his remains. It was no wonder that Ritualism had become so rampant as it had. It was no wonder that Evangelical Churchmen had to look on deploringly. It had been fostered by the Prayer Book, and what was now seen was but the natural results of what was found there. Supported by the Prayer Book, protected by the highest ecclesiastical courts, the Ritualists had pushed their principles to such an extent that, with the exception of the Papal supremacy, there was no material difference discernible between them and the Church of Rome. Was this to be tolerated ? It was bad enough to have a State Church, but to have a State Church employing its revenue to teach these most injurious wretched God-destroying superstitions was simply intolerable. If Ritualists propagated their silly notions at their expense, they would give them a fair *eld and no favour, and meet them with the weapon of God's truth; but they would not be consenting to national funds being employed for such purposes, become partakers of their evil deeds. They wished no persecution, no legal restrictions. They conceded to the Ritualists all the freedom they claimed for themselves, but no special privileges derived from the State. If their Evangelical friends wished to co-operate with them in the work they might do so, but only on one condition - the separation of Church and State. With the exception of the Society of Friends, the hands of other denominations were not clear in this matter. They were compromised and weakened by their practice of infant sprinkling. They were so far Ritualists in practice, that their arguments might be met by the retort, "Physicial, heal thyself". =======================================

ROYAL ALBERT ASYLUM, LANCASTER. - An election of 25 idiots and imbeciles belonging to the counties of Lancashire, Yorkshire, Cheshire, Cumberland, Westmorland, and Durham will be held at Durham on Wednesday, June 23rd, under the presidency of the Bishop of Durham (DR. BARING). There are in all 66 candidates for the 25 vacancies. In Lancashire, there are 28 candidates for nine vacancies, in Yorkshire, 19 candidates for nine vacancies, in Cheshire, two candidates for one vacancy, in Westmorland, two candidates for one vacancy, in Cumberland, two candidates for one vacancy, and in Durham, 13 candidates for four vacancies. The vacancies are allotted by the central committee according to the amount subscribed by each county, but when these additional cases are received, the institution will still only be half full. About £12,000 is required on building account. __________________________________________

PRIVATE DRINKING. - The Constabulary reports and returns relating to the year 1874 contain a letter from the Chief Constable of Cumberland and Westmorland in which, after noticing the complaints made by the inhabitants of large villages, especially in the Lake districts, that 10 o'clock is found to be rather too early for shutting up the public houses, the writer goes on to say: "Numbers of men club together to buy liquor before the public houses are closed, and go to the house of one of the party and drink there to a late hour." "Women and children are generally present, and I believe that the evil example thus set has been attended with very bad consequences. In many cases of brutal kicking and other assaults committed by husbands on their wives, the defendants alleged that when they returned from work they found their wives drunk and their homes neglected, and that then passion, quarrelling, ,and violence followed. I believe that drinking to excess among women has greatly increased since men have fallen into the habit of taking liqour home when the public houses close, and sitting up till one or two a.m. carousing with their companions in the presence of women and children. This practice, which is spoken of as the "bottle system", may not be contrary to the letter of the law, but it is at variance with the spirit of LORD ABERDARE's Act, and is resorted to as a mere evasion of the law."

PENRITH BOARD OF GUARDIANS. The usual fortnightly meeting of the Guardians of Penrith Union was held on Tuesday afternoon last in the Public Offices, Sandgate, under the presidency of MR. W. HARRISON. The attendance was not large. The only extraordinary business was the consideration of a letter received from MR. A. FLEMING, Secretary to the Poor Law Board, in reference to the proposal to elect two additional guardians for the parish of Hesket, in the Penrith Union, and to unite the small townships of Bowscale, Hutton John, and Mosedale to adjoining parishes for the purposes of the election of guardians. The letter stated that as the statute 31 and 32 Vic., cap. 122, sec. 6, does not appear to authorise the addition of more than one parish or township to an adjoining parish, the Board considered that the townships of Bowscale and Mosedale cannot both be legally united to the township of Mungrisdale as proposed by the Guardians. The Board, therefore wished to know what other parish or township adjoined that of Mosedale, to which it could be united, and requested to be informed what other parish the Guardians of the Penrith Union considered to be entitled to an additional Guardian. In the course of a brief conversation, MR. LAZONBY, of Calthwaite, said in his opinion, no place in the Union was more entitled to have additional Guardians than the Parish of Penrith. MR. W. LONGRIGG, of Greystoke, said there were many reaons why the whole subject should be considered at a full meeting of the Guardians. MR. LAZONBY: That is decidedly my opinion; and I beg to move that notice be issued that the whole question will be inquired into at the next Board meeting. The motion was unanimously agreed to. =================================================

VALE OF EDEN BAND OF HOPE UNION. The annual general meeting of this flourishing Union was held at the British School-room, Appleby, on the evening of the 15th January. The evening's entertainment consisted of glees, fife-solos, and addresses bearing on the Band of Hope movement. MR. JOHN CROSBY, Breeks Hall, vice-president, occupied the chair, and in his opening address congratulated the society on the possession of so energetic and industrious a secretary, and attributed the success of the Union, in great part, to that source. MR. WATSON, secretary, in his report, stated that the number of societies now affiliated to the Union was seven, with a juvenile membership of 500, under the management of committees composed of 63 adult abstainers. The Bands of Hope had been visited by delegates from the Union, and their reports show them to be in thorough working order, and steadily increasing in membership. The Appleby Band of Hope had increased from 26 on the 22nd July, 1872 to 186 on 31st December, 1873; and he doubted not but that many of the other societies affiliated could show considerable increases. The Union had been instrumental in forming - or getting formed - Bands of Hope at four villages where such societies did not exist; and asked earnestly for the co-operation of all teetotalers in this work. If they wanted Prohibitory or Permissive Bills, the sure way to obtain them was the method adopted by the society he represented - the tuition of the rising generation in the habits of strict abstinence. The Sunday School teacher was particularised as being the most likely to indelibly stamp upon the young minds the true principles of total abstinence. Precept and example were the requisites for the successful carrying out of this noble movement, and the life and habits of the Sunday School teacher ought to be an embodiment of both. The report was elaborate and exhaustive, and was received with much applause. Impressive addresses were delivered by the REV. T. E. LAURIE, Asby, and REV. L. O. LEWIS, Longmarton, treating on the Band of Hope question, and were earnestly listened to by a large and appreciative audience. MR. LAURIE feelingly referred to his removal from the district, consequent upon his appointment to the Rectory of Bewcastle, but assured his audience that his espousal to the Band of Hope cause was life-long. MR. LEWIS stated, amid much applause, that since the Band of Hope movement had been started, one-ninth of the entire population of the three townships forming the parish of Longmarton, had signed, and he doubted not, kept the pledge - making this the key-note to a powerful appeal for the Band of Hope movement. The glees, by a volunteer choir, consisting of ladies and gentlemen from the neighbourhood, and solos by members of the Appleby Band of Hope Drum and Fife Band, were well deserving the hearty responses made by the auditory. The usual votes of thanks terminated a most enjoyable evening. The officers of the Union for the year 1874 are: THE DEAN OF CARLISLE, President MR. JOHN CROSBY, Breeks Hall MR. RICHARD SIMPSON, Milburn REV. T. E. LAURIE, Asby REV. L. O. LEWS, Longmarton REV. J. KNIGHT, Morland, Vice Presidents. MR. WILLIAM SANDERSON, Hon. Treasurer MR. ROBERT WATSOU, Hon. Secretary MR. CHRISTOPHER LIDDLE, Hon. Asst. Secretary MESSRS. WILLIAM DENT and RICHARD CROSBY, Auditors The rules of the Union are being printed, and will be had on application to the Secretary, Vale of Eden Band of Hope Union, Appleby. =================================================

WEST WARD UNION. On Wednesday last the guardians of this union met in the Board-room, Eamont Bridge. MR. JAMES ATKINSON, of Winderwath, was in the chair, and the ex officio and elected guardians present were, MR. JAMESON, REV. G. F. WESTON, REV. S. WHITESIDE, REV. T. HOLMES, CAPT. MARKHAM, MR. W. H. PARKIN, MR. J. E. HASELL, MR. J. LONGRIGG, MR. W. NOBLE, MR. J. IRVING, MR. FOSTER, &c. The outdoor relief cases having been disposed of, CAPT. MARKHAM reported the result of the interview of the committee with MR. COWPER, with regard to the purchase money to be given for the house and buildings. The only question was with regard to the cost of the new farm buildings which MR. COWPER would have to put up in lieu of the old ones taken down by the Board. The architects, it seems, had informed MR. COWPER that on account of the increase of prices and the prospect of a rise in labour, the cost of erecting those buildings would be an additional £70 on what was before stated. On looking over the plans, however, he found out a reduction might be made in the original plan to the amount of £58, so that in reality the amount required by MR. COWPER to be paid to him was only 12 guineas, making the total purchase of the house and site £1452 5s. 6d. He (CAPT. MARKHAM) did not think the Board was badly treated by this proposition. This gave rise to a long conversation. MR. JAMESON, MR. WESTON, and MR. HOLMES, and the CHAIRMAN contending that the demand of MR. COWPER was so reasonable, and under all circumstances of the case so far, that it should at once be acceded to; whereas, on the other hand, MR. LONGRIGG and MR. IRVING agreed that it would have been much better if MR. COWPER had adhered to his original bargain, and that a decision should not be come to until the ratepayers, through their representatives, should have a voice in the matter. It was not so much the amount demanded, as the principle involved that they objected to. On the motion of CAPTAIN MARKHAM, seconded by REV. G. F. WESTON, notice was ordered to be sent to each guardian that the question will come on for consideration at the next meeting of the Board. ________________________________________________

PENRITH PETTY SESSIONS TUESDAY, JANUARY 20 (Before J. JAMESON, J. THOMPSON, W. HARRISON, W. H. PARKIN, jun., and J. E. HASELL, Esqrs. AN IRRECLAIMABLE. - JOHN POLLARD, drover, who has frequently appeared before the Bench in various characters, was summoned for being drunk and disorderly in King-street, on the 16th of January. In his absence, he was fined 40s. and costs, in default one month's imprisonment with hard labour. INEBRIATES. - JOHN GRAY, for being drunk and kicking at the door of the Duke's Head Inn, at half-past eleven o'clock on the night of the 9th inst., was fined 12s. and costs, in default to be imprisoned for seven days with hard labour. For being drunk at Holme Wrangle on the 13th inst., THOMAS WILLIAMSON was ordered to pay 13s. including costs, in default the same alternative. EXTENSIVE ROBBERIES BY AN HOTEL COOK. MARY NICHOLSON, an elderly, single woman, of Penrith was brought up in custody charged with stealing on Saturday, the 17th inst., several pieces of meat, three loaves of bread, two cakes, and about half-a-pound of tea, of the value of 7s. 6d. MR. JAMES WAGSTAFF, on being examined, said - I am landlord of the Crown Hotel, Penrith. For some time I have had suspicions that some one was dispsing of my property without my knowledge or sanction. The prisoner entered my service as cook about the middle of September, and since that time, some one has been purloining food from my premises, and the deficiency has gone on increasing from time to time. I missed pieces of meat, and loaves and cakes of bread out of the larder, sometimes more than once a week, and last week the thefts were so frequent, that they were apparent to any one; but I was so unwell that I could not watch for a sufficiently long time to detect any one. On Friday, a person came, but the bar-maid being about, the woman left without getting anything. Concluding that this person would come again on Saturday, I kept a look-out; but instead of the visitor of Friday making her appearance, another woman came to see the cook who accompanied the woman to the larder. The woman was about leaving the premises, and observing, as she passed me at the side door, that she appeared rather bulky, I asked her if she had anything that did not belong to her. She replied that she had not. MR. JAMESON - What was the woman's name ? WITNESS; - I would rather withhold that at present, as to state it now might interfere with the ends of justice. When the woman denied that she had anything which did not belong to her, I insisted upon seeing whether or not she was telling the truth. I accordingly took her into a room of the hotel, and told her it was no use attempting to deceive me. She then produced a loaf, two cakes, and two pieces of mutton. I asked her to tell me what she had given the cook for the articles, and showing me a 4**** bottle, she said she had given her that full of gin. She added that the cook insisted upon her taking the things because she had kindly given her the little drop of gin. After she gave me her name, I let her go; but I retained the articles, which I put into the cupboard out of sight. This was about seven o'clock in the evening. About half an hour afterwards, knowing that there was another woman with the prisoner, I sent for the police. I kept a watch, and presently saw the prisoner and MARGARET WILSON, her niece, come out of the larder, and proceed in the direction of the gateway; but seeing me standing at the door, they stopped. I remained there about five minutes, the prisoner and the other woman standing near me the whole of the time. When INSPECTOR BERTRAM arrived I went up to them, and asked prisoner who the woman was that was with her. She replied that it was her niece. I asked the woman if she had anything about her that belonged to me. Both the prisoner and her niece replied that she had not. On saying that I should insist upon seeing, they both objected. I then took them into the hotel and introduced them to the inspector. The niece had a basket which contained mutton, beef, bread, and tea, and she also had a loaf under her arm. The niece then said it was no use; she would acknowledge that her aunt had given her the articles. The prisoner, he believed did not say a word. INSPECTOR BERTRAM gave evidence as to finding a loaf of bread, a piece of cooked mutton, a piece of uncooked beef, a piece of ham, and a cannister containing about half a pound of tea, in a basket the woman was carrying, and a loaf under her arm. He then took the prisoner into custody. The prisoner, after being cautioned in the usual way, pleaded guilty. MARGARET WILSON, prisoner's niece, was then charged with receiving the articles found in her possession, well knowing them to have been stolen. MR. WAGSTAFF said he would prefer to withdraw the charge against the younger prisoner, who was married and had four children, but he thought an example should be made of the elder one. The Bench, after a short consultation, said the elder prisoner had pleaded guilty to robbing her master whose confidence she had abused and betrayed. It was possible that offences of this kind might prevail and perhaps did prevail amongst the community at large, and the magistrates felt bound to mark their sense of the crime that had been committed, by passing a sentence that would have some effect. The sentence was that MARGARET NICHOLSON be committed to Carlisle Gaol for five calendar months with hard labour. ________________________________________________

**Apologies** The previous SHEEP STEALING article should have been prefaced with PETTY SESSIONS. PENRITH, SATURDAY, JAN. 17. (Before J. JAMESON, W. HARRISON, and J. THOMPSON, Esqrs.)

CHARGE OF SHEEP STEALING - JAMES DIXON, labourer, formerly of Penrith, but now residing at Newsham, in the parish of Greystoke, was brought up in custody charged with stealing a sheep, the property of MR. A. MCDOUGALL, on or about the 25th December last. MR. S. K. JAMES appeared on the prisoner's behalf. >From the evidence it appeared that one of 46 sheep belonging to the prosecutor was missed about Christmas from a field at High Chapter, in the parish of Castlesowerby. Prisoner was formerly a hind for MR. MCDOUGALL, and assisted to dip the sheep. About a year ago, he left prosecutor's employ, and now lives a mile from where the sheep was lost. On the 8th of this month JAMES TAYLOR, a farm bailiff, found a guano bag containing a sheep skin among the hay in a byre at Woodgill, two miles distant from prisoner's house. There was a blue mark upon the skin above the tail, as in the case of the prosecutor's sheep, and where the letter D ought to have been, the wool was torn away. ANN PATTINSON, the wife of a carrier, identified the guano bag as one she had given to prisoner's wife. She knew it to be the same from the darns and stains upon it. After other evidence, MR. JAMES applied for an adjournment, in order to produce evidence on behalf of the prisoner. The application was granted, and on Tuesday the further hearing of the case was gone into. MR. JAMES drew attention to what he regarded as discrepancies and inconsistency in the evidence tendered, and called witnesses in behalf of the prisoner. The Bench retired, and on their return, the Chairman said, "We don't find that there is sufficient evidence upon which we can send the prisoner for trial at present, but our decision is by no means final about the matter. MR. JAMES said he had been requested to mention one circumstance which had recenly occurred. He did not feel justified in naming it before as he had no evidence to prove it; but he had been told by the prisoner that a stray sheep of MR. MCDOUGALL's had been found in a field. _________________________________________________

Found the following burial of a Joseph Sowerby on Ancestry.ca in the Drouin Collection (French Canadian records): 1810, Quebec Cathedrale Anglicane, PQ Joseph Sowerby Gunner in the Fourth Battalion of the Royal Regiment of Artillery aged 23 years died November the tenth and was buried November the twelfth inthe year of our Lord one throusand eight hundred and ten. by me, Father Jehosaphat Mountain, Deputy Chaplain to the Garrison of Quebec. present: H. Pond (?) Captain R. Artillery and A.J. Armstrong Lieut. Col (?) Joseph would be born approx. 1787. If anyone thinks this Joseph might belong to their family tree, the army records for this individual should be at Kew in London.

I am trying to find anyone with information on the Shuttleworth and Stones family who lived in or around Burton in Kendal Westmorland. I have John Shuttleworth born about 1795 who married August 1, 1818 in Burton in Kendal Westmorland to Mary Stones baptized May 28, 1798 in Burton in Kendal Westmorland. Mary Stones mother was Jane Stones baptized August 14, 1774 in Kendal Westmorland. Jane's parents were John Stones and Elizabeth Millers. Any information on either family would be greatly appreciated.

Perhaps they're all crouched at the starting gate waiting for the Westmorland section of the 1911 census to appear???? Eddie > Just wondered if their is a problem as I've not had a digest since Issue > 33 on 5 February. > > Ruth Borrowdale

You can get to the archive via http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-WESTMORLAND.html -----Original Message----- From: Jane Fidler [mailto:jgfidler@neo.rr.com] Sent: 11 February 2009 19:06 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Is There Anybody There I have been receiving information on my Westmorland DOUGLASS family who came from the from the Ormside area. A couple of years ago I recieved an inquiry from some one in England who thought her grandmother was a daughter of William DOUGLASS and Elizabeth MATTINSON married in the early 1800's. The daughters name was Ann. Since then I have lost what I thought was well backed up. If she still is subscribed to this list I have more information on her siblings and would like to get in touch with her to give her infomation about John, Isabella, James, Margarett and Ann, the two daughters that did not emigreate to the United States. Is there an archive for the Westmorland list that I could search, too? Regards.................Jane Douglas Fidler (jgfidler@neo.rr.com) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you know when they are going to enter 191 on the Findmypast website. I subscribe to the site for 1841-1901 census's but 1851 & 1901 is NOT yet completed, I've also bought credits for the 1911, as you say Ruth it's getting an expensive hobby. Regards Toni ----- Original Message ----- From: "MALCOLM BORROWDALE" <mjborrowdale@btinternet.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:21 PM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] re Anyone There > It appears that there are folk still out there but everyone has just been > very quiet recently. > > I am waiting for the 1911 census to go on to the Findmypast site where I > will be able to get an add on to my current subscription rather than pay > to view which I can't afford at the moment. > > Ruth Borrowdale > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It appears that there are folk still out there but everyone has just been very quiet recently. I am waiting for the 1911 census to go on to the Findmypast site where I will be able to get an add on to my current subscription rather than pay to view which I can't afford at the moment. Ruth Borrowdale

Hi Malcolm Hope your well? I'm still here, don't believe I've had a digest for some time either. Take Care Toni Cairns ----- Original Message ----- From: "MALCOLM BORROWDALE" <mjborrowdale@btinternet.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:28 AM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Is There Anybody There > Just wondered if their is a problem as I've not had a digest since Issue > 33 on 5 February. > > Ruth Borrowdale > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ruth I don't think there has been any messages since then, I have not seen any, but obviously saw yours. John -----Original Message----- From: MALCOLM BORROWDALE [mailto:mjborrowdale@btinternet.com] Sent: 11 February 2009 13:28 To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Is There Anybody There Just wondered if their is a problem as I've not had a digest since Issue 33 on 5 February. Ruth Borrowdale ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jan: There is an archive for the Westmorland list at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop&path=ENG-WESTMORLAND Sorry that I cannot help you with your DOUGLASS question. Barb, Ontario, Canada.