Hello everyone I am new and searching John Winn born Westmorland England in 1860 Regards Wendy

I am looking for parents for Agnes Winn born 1850 Ingleton York anyone know who she belongs to? Thanks, Kathy ________________________________ From: EddieEdmondson <druid@infogen.net.nz> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Winn This the chap? >From 1901 census. John Winn (Mary) abt 1860  Westmorland, England Head  Cwmdu, Glamorgan > Hello everyone I am new and searching John Winn born Westmorland England > in 1860 >              Regards Wendy > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As requested by Petra.Mitchinson@doctors.org.uk I am forwarding this to the Westmorland List, in hopes that someone could add to her document transcribing. Barb Baker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I recently noticed that a seller on eBay has many documents on sale from the archives of the MUSGRAVE family of Edenhall. This family's estates were both in Cumberland and in Westmorland. Most of these documents are bills and receipts, which contain at the very least then name of the person being paid and the name of the agent working for the MUSGRAVEs who paid them. Sometimes there are whole lists of labourers being paid. A few documents are Court Baron lists of fines or lists of tenants. It makes me sad that such an archives is being irretrievably dispersed, and so much information that is potentially of value to family and social historians will no longer be accessible. I therefore decided to transcribe the documents from the excellent photos the seller put up on eBay. Unfortunately I started far too late. The documents have been on sale since at least March 2009, and I only started transcribing in mid-July. Any sold documents, even if the eBay page is still available, have had their photos removed. I have managed to transcribe about 180 documents, including all the ones currently for sale, but I must have missed hundreds! I have contacted the sellers, but unfortunately they have not kept photos of the sold documents. My plan is to transcribe as many documents as possible, put them into a Word document in chronological order, and make an index of all names. I would give a copy to the Record Office (if they are interested), and Chris is happy to put the transcription on his Rumbutter site. My plea is this: Has anyone saved any images of any of these documents, or even bought some and could scan them, and would send me the images so I can transcribe them? Any help would be appreciated! And could someone who is on the Westmorland mailing list forward this appeal to that list? Sorry about cross-posting this to several lists. Many thanks, Petra Petra.Mitchinson@doctors.org.uk

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hughlock" <David@hughlock.co.uk> To: <CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com>; "0-WESTMORLAND mailing LIST" <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com>; "LANCASHIRE Gen" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 4:19 AM Subject: [genealogy] [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Before 1752 > Hello Listers, > > We have just come across this and thought you may wish to see it. > > Before 1752 (in Britain) the year began on March 25th (Lady Day). > Dates between January 1st and March 24th. Such dates are sometimes > seen in the form 12 Feb 1696/7. > Ermmm... "(in Britain)" should really read "(in England, Wales and Ireland)". Scotland adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1600. see http://www.nas.gov.uk/about/051228.asp Cheers, Tim Sewell

Hello Listers, We have just come across this and thought you may wish to see it. Before 1752 (in Britain) the year began on March 25th (Lady Day). Dates between January 1st and March 24th. Such dates are sometimes seen in the form 12 Feb 1696/7. Kind regards Bronwen and David

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hughlock" <David@hughlock.co.uk> To: "LANCASHIRE Gen" <lancsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:14 PM Subject: [LAN] GREENALL's of Standish > Hello Listers, > > Can anyone help please. We sent this to Lancashire in the first instant > but we now believe it should be Westmorland. Any help or advise as to the > area please. > > We have this Edward Greenall and his family in 1841 and believe the son > William in 1871/81. Could anyone find the family, or in particular the > siblings in 1851 and 1861 please. > > If so could you send us the scans off line. Could anyone suggest a > marriage for William Greenall to Ellen nee ? and the whereabouts of Henry > Greenall b1838 in 1871/81 and his siblings would be helpful. Suggestions > as to how we find the marriage of Elizabeth Greenall b 1825 > > 0 - In 1841 parents Edward Greenall aged 34 (1807) born in same county an > Apothecary, and Mary A (nee Gent) aged 34 (1807) born in the same county > were living with 6 children, Elizabeth aged 16 (1825), William Greenall > aged 8 (1833), Edward Greenall aged 7 (1834), John aged 5 (1836), Henry 3 > (1838), Thomas aged 1 (1840), at Liverpool Street Hamlett of Hardshaw St > Helens in the Township of Windle Lancashire - see RG107, piece 517, book > 9, f7,page 7. > > 0 - In 1871 - William Greenall aged 35 (1836) born Chorley, Lancashire a > Colliery sinker is married to Ellen (nee ?) Greenall aged 32 (1839) born > Standish, Lancashire they have 2 children Son Henry Greenall aged 5 (1866) > born Withworth, Yorkshire, Son Edward Greenall aged 5mths (1871) born > Standish, Lancashire they live at 48 Engine Lane, Standish, Lancashire see > RG10, Piece 3881 Folio 26 Schedule 222. > > 0 - In 1881 - William Greenall aged ??? is missing from home he is married > to Ellen (nee ?) Greenall head married aged 47 (1834) born Standish a > Housekeeper with 5 children Son Henry aged 15 (1866) born Castleford > Yorkshire a Pony Driver (Collier), Son Edward Greenall aged 10 (1871) born > Standish, Lancashire, Daug Betty Greenall aged 6 (1875) born Standish, > Lancashire, Daur Mary Ann Greenall aged 4 (1877) born Haigh, Lancashire, > Son William Greenall aged 3 (1878) born Preston, Lancashire they live at > 106 School Hill, Westhoughton, Lancashire see RG11, 3822, 61, 14, 1341913. > > Thank you for taking the time to read this. > > Kind regards > > Bronwen and David > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > Responses to gatewayed posts must be made on the message board, not the > list. Just click on the link provided to go to the message on the board. > Your response will then also flow to the list. > > :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Derek, Sorry, I can't help with a look up, hopefully someone else can. I'm interested in sharing information on Thomas and Dorothy Benson. I believe I'm descended from their son Edward Benson, c 27 Aug 1826 in Kendal. Unfortunately my Benson info is a little thin. I'm hoping perhaps you can help. regards, Cathie ----- Original Message ----- From: "West ML" <westmorml@ntlworld.com> To: "Westmorland Mailing List" <ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Heversham marriage - BENSON & MEDCALF > If anyone is going to the Kendal Record Office in the near future, I > wonder if they could do a look-up for me please. > > I am wanting details of a marriage at Heversham on 12 March 1814 between > THOMAS BENSON and DOROTHY MEDCALF. > Full details would be wonderful. > > TIA. > > Derek. > (From a very wet Leicestershire) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cathie, Someone has kindly done a look-up for me. My interest was in Dorothy Medcalf, who I thought might have been the widow of my 3x great grandfather Thomas Medcalf but looks like not being the cae as Dorothy is listed as a spinster in the marriage entry. I nothing nothing more about Thomas & Dorothy Benson's children other than what is given on the IGI. Regards, Derek. ----- Original Message ----- From: C Bath To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Heversham marriage - BENSON & MEDCALF Hi Derek, Sorry, I can't help with a look up, hopefully someone else can. I'm interested in sharing information on Thomas and Dorothy Benson. I believe I'm descended from their son Edward Benson, c 27 Aug 1826 in Kendal. Unfortunately my Benson info is a little thin. I'm hoping perhaps you can help. regards, Cathie ----- Original Message ----- From: "West ML" <westmorml@ntlworld.com> To: "Westmorland Mailing List" <ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Heversham marriage - BENSON & MEDCALF > If anyone is going to the Kendal Record Office in the near future, I > wonder if they could do a look-up for me please. > > I am wanting details of a marriage at Heversham on 12 March 1814 between > THOMAS BENSON and DOROTHY MEDCALF. > Full details would be wonderful. > > TIA. > > Derek. > (From a very wet Leicestershire) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Barb, Thanks for your suggestion but both sets of entries have been traced by the local Registry Office. Derek. ----- Original Message ----- From: Barb Baker To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] ? Double Registration of Births ? Hello Derek: I don't know for sure, but could it have possibly been that the first register of the birth could not be found; perhaps the page had not been included for some reason; if someone was going to get married or some other earth-shaking event, they would need to produce proof of birth. This happened to me recently while investigating my father's background in Canada. A note on the Birth registration stated that "mother has updated the information", and it was around the time that the ancestor married. Just a guess on my part ! Barb, Ontario, Canada. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my family history research into ancestors of the marriage of George W Buck and Annie E Wightman, both of Kendal, I have come across an apparent anomoly in the GRO Birth Indexes - see below - Births Jun 1914 BUCK George A B Wightman Kendal 10b 1501 BUCK John W B Wightman Kendal 10b 1501 Births Mar 1933 BUCK George A Wightman Kendal 10b 1018 BUCK John W Wightman Kendal 10b 1018 It looks to me as if the original twin births from 1914 have, for some unknown reason, been re-registered again in 1933. Does anybody have any idea as to why these births would have been re-registered some 19 years later ? Derek.

Hello Derek: I don't know for sure, but could it have possibly been that the first register of the birth could not be found; perhaps the page had not been included for some reason; if someone was going to get married or some other earth-shaking event, they would need to produce proof of birth. This happened to me recently while investigating my father's background in Canada. A note on the Birth registration stated that "mother has updated the information", and it was around the time that the ancestor married. Just a guess on my part ! Barb, Ontario, Canada.

If anyone is going to the Kendal Record Office in the near future, I wonder if they could do a look-up for me please. I am wanting details of a marriage at Heversham on 12 March 1814 between THOMAS BENSON and DOROTHY MEDCALF. Full details would be wonderful. TIA. Derek. (From a very wet Leicestershire)

Hello John, Thank you so very much for this help it has made such a difference. You are so kind helping us to keep going when BRICKWALLS stand in our way. Thank you again. Kind regards Bronwen and David ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Steel Genealogy" <fh@johnsteel.co.uk> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Alice MOLLINEAUX - Marriage look up please > William 48 and Alice 46 appear to be in the 1851 in Moss Side Ulverston. > Children Amelia 16, Thomas 11, James 9, Anne 7 and Jane 4. > William was born Leathwaite Lancs and Alice Holehead Aldingham Lancs. > > Aldingham is close to Dalton in Furness. > > In the 1841 there are also Eleanor 12, Mary 11, Ruth 9, Alice 7, Agnes 5, > John 3 and the Thomas who is also in the 1851. It is quite likely all of > these except Thomas had left home by 1851 though Amelia is a mystery. > > In 1841 Williams occupation was Iron Miner, but in 1851 he was a Waller. > > Can't find the birth of Alice or their marriage though. But from the age > of > Eleanor, 1829 or earlier seems likely, there of course could be other > siblings who had left home by 1841. IGI records for this time frame and > area > seem a bit sparse it may require a visit to the records office. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Hughlock [mailto:David@hughlock.co.uk] > Sent: 13 July 2009 09:55 > To: 0-WESTMORLAND mailing LIST; LANCASHIRE Gen > Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Alice MOLLINEAUX - Marriage look up please > > Hello Genealogy experts, > > Can anyone help us to locate a marriage please. > > William ULLOCK / HULLOCK (b20/4/1802) to Alice MOLLINEAUX marriage circa > 1820 possibly in Dalton in Furness Lancashire. > > We have Williams parents but we cannot find Alice or her parents. > > Spellings could be way out. > > Many Thanks > > Bronwen and David > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Bronwen & David, I'm not sure whereabouts in the country you live, but in most local Libraries you can get free access to Ancestry.com where you can search the 1841 to 1901 Census. You can the email a copy of the census image to your own computer. Regards, DJ. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Hughlock To: 0-WESTMORLAND mailing LIST Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] HOLLAND 1891 / 1901 scan please Hello Listers, Could anyone send us the scan/s of this family please. 1891 - James Holland aged 52 (1839) born ? Mary Holland aged 50 (1841) born? they have 4 children John Holland aged 26 (1865) born ? Joseph Holland aged 24 (1867) born? Margaret Ann Holland aged 20 (1871) born ? James Holland aged 17 (1874) born ? and with them is Mother Margaret (nee ?) Holland aged 73 (1818) born Preston, Lancashire we think they lived at Higher Walton, Westmorland If you can also find them in 1901 it would be most helpful. Kind regards Bronwen and David ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers, Could anyone send us the scan/s of this family please. 1891 - James Holland aged 52 (1839) born ? Mary Holland aged 50 (1841) born? they have 4 children John Holland aged 26 (1865) born ? Joseph Holland aged 24 (1867) born? Margaret Ann Holland aged 20 (1871) born ? James Holland aged 17 (1874) born ? and with them is Mother Margaret (nee ?) Holland aged 73 (1818) born Preston, Lancashire we think they lived at Higher Walton, Westmorland If you can also find them in 1901 it would be most helpful. Kind regards Bronwen and David

Hello Listers, Could we have your expert opinion please. We have this marriage below but we cannot find the family after the 1861 census. We have two listing in 1881 is one of these the same family please and could anyone find them in 1871 and 1891. Marriage 1860 at Walmsley, Christ Church, Lancashire Registers at Bolton ref 54/1/45 between Margaret HULLOCK and John DIXON. Marriage June Q 1860 at Bolton ref 8c 351 between Margaret MILLOCK and John DIXON. 0 - In 1861 John Dixon aged 27 (1834) born Ambleside Lancashire a Carter 7 - 2, married to Margaret (nee Hullock) aged 20 (1841) born Kendal, Westmorland a Factory Worker, they live at Barry Row, Turton, Christ Church, Lancashire see RG9, 2817, fo91, pg19. They are living next door to Adam Hullock Could this be the family ? 0 - In 1881 John Dixon aged 34 (1847) born Coniston, Lancashire a Licensed Victualler is married to Margaret (nee ?) aged 38 (1843) born Rydal Westmorland they have a servant Martha H Wilkinson aged 16 (1865) born Allithwaite, Lancashire a General Servant Domestic they live at Brittania Inn, Langdale, Westmorland see RG11, 5207, 51, 15, 1342256. OR THIS 0 - In 1881 Margaret (nee ?) Dixon a Widow, aged 38 (1843) born Troutbeck, Westmorland a Charwoman has 3 children Robert Dixon aged 11 (1870) born Kendal Westmorland a scholar, Christina Dixon aged 10 (1871) born Kendal Westmorland a scholar, John Dixon aged 7 (1874) born Kendal Westmorland they live at Yd 22 Captain French, Kendal, Westmorland see RG11, 5212, 57, 8, 1342256. Thank you so much for any help you may be in a position to offer. Regards Bronwen and David

William 48 and Alice 46 appear to be in the 1851 in Moss Side Ulverston. Children Amelia 16, Thomas 11, James 9, Anne 7 and Jane 4. William was born Leathwaite Lancs and Alice Holehead Aldingham Lancs. Aldingham is close to Dalton in Furness. In the 1841 there are also Eleanor 12, Mary 11, Ruth 9, Alice 7, Agnes 5, John 3 and the Thomas who is also in the 1851. It is quite likely all of these except Thomas had left home by 1851 though Amelia is a mystery. In 1841 Williams occupation was Iron Miner, but in 1851 he was a Waller. Can't find the birth of Alice or their marriage though. But from the age of Eleanor, 1829 or earlier seems likely, there of course could be other siblings who had left home by 1841. IGI records for this time frame and area seem a bit sparse it may require a visit to the records office. John -----Original Message----- From: David Hughlock [mailto:David@hughlock.co.uk] Sent: 13 July 2009 09:55 To: 0-WESTMORLAND mailing LIST; LANCASHIRE Gen Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Alice MOLLINEAUX - Marriage look up please Hello Genealogy experts, Can anyone help us to locate a marriage please. William ULLOCK / HULLOCK (b20/4/1802) to Alice MOLLINEAUX marriage circa 1820 possibly in Dalton in Furness Lancashire. We have Williams parents but we cannot find Alice or her parents. Spellings could be way out. Many Thanks Bronwen and David ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Genealogy experts, Can anyone help us to locate a marriage please. William ULLOCK / HULLOCK (b20/4/1802) to Alice MOLLINEAUX marriage circa 1820 possibly in Dalton in Furness Lancashire. We have Williams parents but we cannot find Alice or her parents. Spellings could be way out. Many Thanks Bronwen and David

Hello Listers, We hope this is covered by one of the three sites chosen - CUMBRIA RESEARCH IS CALLED FOR HERE WE THINK ? We purchased some hours of research from Cumbria Record Office some time ago. We provided precise details of who and what we were looking for. Needless to say we did not get answers to the many questions we had posed. The research officer just gave us some IGI listings which we already had. We are reluctant to fund further research from that source. So we have come to the knowledgeable experts in the hope that someone will be able to guide us. It has been suggested that we look into bastardy bonds to see if the father of the following can be found. You will notice that one son is named ATKINSON and this may possibly be an indication as to the father. These names and details were abstracted from a family bible we have been assured. They may,or may not, be correct ! 1 - Mary Ullock born 16 Nov 1787 Cartmel Grange Parish baptised 18 Dec 1787 at Cartmel Grange Parish illegitimate daughter of Sarah Ullock of Grange. 2 - James Ullock born 26 Feb 1793 baptised 24 March 1793 illegitimate son of Sarah Ullock of Grange a Pauper. 3 - Atkinson Ullock born 19 March 1797 baptised 23 April 1797 illegitimate son of Sarah Ullock of Grange a Pauper. 4 - Matthew Ullock born 21 Oct 1801 baptised 16 Nov 1801 illegitimate son of Sarah Ullock of Grange a Pauper. 5 - Robert Ullock/Hullock/Hewlock/Hulock born baptised 1 Sept 1805 illegitimate son of Sarah Ullock of Flookburgh Chapelry. Could a kind person point us in the correct direction for records of this type please. This is a precise copy of the researchers findings:- Quote "I have found the following entries in the Cartmel registers: Cartmel Parish Registers Baptisms 24 March 1793, James illegitimate daughter of Sarah Ullock, grange, pauper. Born 26 Feb 23 April 1797, Atkinson illegitimate son of Sarah Ullock, Grange. Born 19 March 16 Nov 1801, Matt son of Sarah Ullock, Grange. Born 21 Oct 1 Sept 1805, Robert illegitimate son of Sarah Ullock Flookburgh Chapelry. No date of birth Burials 24 Oct 1802 died 22 Oct 1802, Matthew son of Sarah Ullock, Cark I could find no mention of Mary Ullock born in 1787. Baptism of Sarah Ullock c 1765. I checked the following parish registers but found no mention of a Sarah Ullock: Broughton-in-Furness, Cartmel, Colton, Torver, Kirkby Ireleth, Urswick, Ulverston, Pennington, Woodland, Thwaites, Ulpha, Dalton-in-Furness, Millom, Seathwaite, Hawkshead and Aldingham. We do not have the Whitehaven registers here but according to the IGI there was a baptism of a Sarah Ullock daughter of Serjeant Ullock (or Sargent) baptised at Holy Trinity, Whitehaven. There is also a marriage entry for a Sarjent/Sergent Ullock on 25 Oct 1755. James Ullock born 1801 We do not have any Roman Catholic Records for Ulverston before 1812 and the ones we have are a transcript. James was not baptised at St Mary’s Ulverston. Catholic records for Ulverston are held by Lancashire Record Office". End of Quote Many thanks Bronwen and David

Images supplied off line. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Hughlock Sent: 07 July 2009 11:40 To: LANCASHIRE Gen; 0-WESTMORLAND mailing LIST Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] HALLOCK / BULLOCK LOOK UP PLEASE Hello Listers, Could someone provide us with a look up please. 1861, 71, 91 We have Adam Hallock / Bullock and cannot move him further forward. Please can you help us. BORN ??? Birth March Q 1854 at Kendal ref 10b 508 Adam Bullock. The district Kendal is an alternative name for Kendal and it spans the boundaries of the counties of Lancashire and Westmorland 0 - In 1881 his mother - Margaret (nee ?) HALLOCK aged 69 (1812) a Widow born Kendal Westmorland has one son Adam HALLOCK aged 26 (1855) born Kendal Westmorland a Stone Quarryman, unmarried, they live at Old School Turton Lancashire see RG11, 3830, 33, 3, 1341915. Burial: 19 May 1908 Christ Church, Walmsley, Lancashire, England, Adam Hullock - Age: 50, Abode: Egerton, Buried by: J. C. Campbell Asst. Curate, Register: Burials 1904 - 1923, Page 45, Entry 355, Source: Register at Manchester Library Kind regards Bronwen and David ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.8/2224 - Release Date: 07/08/09 05:53:00