Hello Lyn: I have found a Thomas BRATHWATE, Widower, age 48 on the 1851 British Census, along with three sons John age 20, a Joiner / Thomas age 18, a Sawyer / Thompson age 16, a Scholar . They are living in Lancashire, Toxteth Park, District 1as, Page 24. The senior Thomas is a Joiner, born Kendal, Westmorland. The sons are all born in Lancashire, Toxteth Park. Hope this helps somewhat. Barb, Ontario, Canada. >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Larkin" <lyn.larkin@bigpond.com<<<<

Hello Listers, Can anyone suggest a link to the parents of JANE HARRISON please:- Marriage: 12 Jun 1825 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England, Jonathan Hamer - of Parish of Wigan, Jane Harrison - (X), of Parish Of Wigan, Witness: Ralph Harrison; Saml. Vizard, Married by Banns by: G. Goodwill Curate, Register: Marriages 1824 - 1827, Page 102, Entry 304, Source: LDS Film 1885691 Thank you Bronwen and David On a very wet dull day in Tewkesbury England

Hi! This definitely does not throw a spanner in the works!!!!! -and is the same time period as I am working on- so thank you- and I will get onto IGI and sniff around. Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: <eng-westmorland-request@rootsweb.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: ENG-WESTMORLAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 121 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. KNIPE S/SHEET (Bev Kirby) > 2. Re: KNIPE S/SHEET (John Steel Genealogy) > 3. Re: KNIPE FAMILIES < 1780 (AClemmett@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:44:30 +0200 > From: "Bev Kirby" <bev@inkmatehillcrest.co.za> > Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] KNIPE S/SHEET > To: <ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002401ca2233$46c36f10$6500000a@CHANTAL> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thanks Donna! I must confess that I have been working on the names > William, John, Thomas and possibly Eleanor, and have put all the info onto > a spread sheet. However do not have the Lancelot. Did have the William to > Mary Steel marriege. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:06:08 +0100 > From: "John Steel Genealogy" <fh@johnsteel.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] KNIPE S/SHEET > To: "'Bev Kirby'" <bev@inkmatehillcrest.co.za>, > <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000b01ca2247$035b54e0$0a11fea0$@co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Is this possibly the Mary Steel that married in Warcop in 1776 as there is > a > possibility this could be the daughter of William Steel and Mary Pearson, > who was born 1753. > I must admit that being on holiday I had not been reading my mail too > closely so missed the prior messages to this one. > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bev Kirby [mailto:bev@inkmatehillcrest.co.za] > Sent: 21 August 2009 08:45 > To: ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] KNIPE S/SHEET > > Thanks Donna! I must confess that I have been working on the names > William, > John, Thomas and possibly Eleanor, and have put all the info onto a spread > sheet. However do not have the Lancelot. Did have the William to Mary > Steel > marriege. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:18:44 EDT > From: AClemmett@aol.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] KNIPE FAMILIES < 1780 > To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <cf8.5fedb9c4.37bfdc94@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Hi > Just to throw a spanner in the works so to speak! > Asby parish a Bapt. > 1776. June 23. William son of William Knipe of Craghouse, Husbandman and > Mary his wife. > There are no Marr.or Burials that I can find. > Arthur Clemmett > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-WESTMORLAND list administrator, send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-WESTMORLAND mailing list, send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-WESTMORLAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 121 > *********************************************** >

Is this possibly the Mary Steel that married in Warcop in 1776 as there is a possibility this could be the daughter of William Steel and Mary Pearson, who was born 1753. I must admit that being on holiday I had not been reading my mail too closely so missed the prior messages to this one. John -----Original Message----- From: Bev Kirby [mailto:bev@inkmatehillcrest.co.za] Sent: 21 August 2009 08:45 To: ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] KNIPE S/SHEET Thanks Donna! I must confess that I have been working on the names William, John, Thomas and possibly Eleanor, and have put all the info onto a spread sheet. However do not have the Lancelot. Did have the William to Mary Steel marriege. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Donna! I must confess that I have been working on the names William, John, Thomas and possibly Eleanor, and have put all the info onto a spread sheet. However do not have the Lancelot. Did have the William to Mary Steel marriege.

Hi Just to throw a spanner in the works so to speak! Asby parish a Bapt. 1776. June 23. William son of William Knipe of Craghouse, Husbandman and Mary his wife. There are no Marr.or Burials that I can find. Arthur Clemmett

Hi Wendy, I have a Mary Eleanor Ireland marring William Winn in 1869. The Irelands & Winns were from the Beetham area.Maybe this will help. Geraldine 2009/8/18 H Evans <evans-h5@sky.com> > Hello everyone I am new and searching John Winn born Westmorland England > in 1860 > Regards Wendy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Kathy Did you receive my message sent 19.08.09 off list. Regards Bob Owen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Smith" <foodssmith@yahoo.com> To: <eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Agnes Winn Ingleton Hi Bob, Thanks! Another nice person, Eddie, from list gave me a couple of those too but maybe you have more in your tree to share. I had her in 1871 and 1881 both before and after marriage to Thomas Shuttleworth. The census form says he is unmarried but he is only 20 and she is 9 so I think possibly Eddie has it right that she may be the illegitimate daughter of one of two daughters an Ann Whinn. Do you have anything more about the Whinn family or the Shuttleworths? I am not sure if I have anything to share with you but If I do I will. Thanks again. Kathy Smith Sacramento,CA ________________________________ From: Robert Owen <robert.owen3@btinternet.com> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:40:21 AM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Agnes Winn Ingleton Hi Kathy I have this lady in my tree, not a connected relative. I have had the same trouble finding her parents. I have found Agnes WHINN in Ingleton on the 1861 census as grand daughter. There is a Christopher WHINN listed but I can't make out if he is married or not on the census form. I have an Agness WINN aged 19yrs on the 1871 census General Servant to a Richard Shepherd's family at Caton. On the same census return is a Thomas SHUTTLEWORTH, aged 20 who I have as her husband married in 1874. I would be willing to share information if you wish to reply. Bob Owen Southport. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:12 PM, EddieEdmondson <druid@infogen.net.nz>wrote: > > > This the chap? > > >From 1901 census. > > John Winn (Mary) abt 1860 Westmorland, England Head Cwmdu, Glamorgan > > > > Hello everyone I am new and searching John Winn born Westmorland England > > in 1860 > > Regards Wendy > > > Hi Eddie Thats all I have found I have found a few John Winn's in Westmorland one in Matterdal End but there is a difference of Three years and as( Wynn ) . Thanks anyway Wendy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am researching my line of KNIPE. I have all info from a Thomas Knipe[born 1777-83] who married in Plumbland in 1815 onwards! He died in Maryport in 1842 age 59. Please can you all make a note of any Knipe that pops up [in leases, rentals etc etc] in your research, say < 1780 as I will have to go through all the early KNIPE documentation and will probably have missed something. I have had to rule out the Thomas Knipe born Uldale 1883 as I have confirmed that he died when he was 21. To the best of my knowledge, there were very few Knipe's Cumberland so there is a good chance that "our Knipes" actually were originally from Westmorland. The Knipe/Knype name goe back to 1300 in Westmorland. Thank you all! Bev Kirby

Bev, I am trying to trace a Charlotte Knipe who appears in the church records for Calcutta as marrying William Graham in 1816. I have no information on her before 1816. I guess that she was born sometime between 1780 and 1800 but I don't know where. I had thought of St Helena as a possible location as it was on the trade route to India and there were Knipe families there at that time. Your mention that the name goes back to 1300 in Westmorland has prompted me to ask about her on this List. Does anyone know of any Knipes going to India at that time? David -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bev Kirby Sent: 20 August 2009 10:45 To: ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] KNIPE FAMILIES < 1780 I am researching my line of KNIPE. I have all info from a Thomas Knipe[born 1777-83] who married in Plumbland in 1815 onwards! He died in Maryport in 1842 age 59. Please can you all make a note of any Knipe that pops up [in leases, rentals etc etc] in your research, say < 1780 as I will have to go through all the early KNIPE documentation and will probably have missed something. I have had to rule out the Thomas Knipe born Uldale 1883 as I have confirmed that he died when he was 21. To the best of my knowledge, there were very few Knipe's Cumberland so there is a good chance that "our Knipes" actually were originally from Westmorland. The Knipe/Knype name goe back to 1300 in Westmorland. Thank you all! Bev Kirby ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just throwing this out for Westmorland KNIPE researchers: I have a Lancelot KNIPE whose parents were William KNIPE and Mary STEEL who md. 11 Mar 1776 Warcop, WES. This Lancelot KNIPE was born 28 Mar 1779 Kirkby Stephen, WES, and emigrated to Wythe CO, Virginia to work in the lead mines there. He married Elizabeth JACKSON 07 Jun 1802 in Baltimore, Maryland. Elizabeth was the daughter of Nathan JACKSON and Elizabeth TUER who md. 16 May 1765 Dufton, WES. Elizabeth was born 02 Dec 1779 Dufton, WES. Lancelot KNIPE and wife Elizabeth JACKSON died in 1847 and 1849 in Knox CO, Indiana. Donna Minke -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Railton Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:38 AM To: 'Bev Kirby'; eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] KNIPE FAMILIES < 1780 Bev, I am trying to trace a Charlotte Knipe who appears in the church records for Calcutta as marrying William Graham in 1816. I have no information on her before 1816. I guess that she was born sometime between 1780 and 1800 but I don't know where. I had thought of St Helena as a possible location as it was on the trade route to India and there were Knipe families there at that time. Your mention that the name goes back to 1300 in Westmorland has prompted me to ask about her on this List. Does anyone know of any Knipes going to India at that time? David -----Original Message----- From: eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-westmorland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bev Kirby Sent: 20 August 2009 10:45 To: ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] KNIPE FAMILIES < 1780 I am researching my line of KNIPE. I have all info from a Thomas Knipe[born 1777-83] who married in Plumbland in 1815 onwards! He died in Maryport in 1842 age 59. Please can you all make a note of any Knipe that pops up [in leases, rentals etc etc] in your research, say < 1780 as I will have to go through all the early KNIPE documentation and will probably have missed something. I have had to rule out the Thomas Knipe born Uldale 1883 as I have confirmed that he died when he was 21. To the best of my knowledge, there were very few Knipe's Cumberland so there is a good chance that "our Knipes" actually were originally from Westmorland. The Knipe/Knype name goe back to 1300 in Westmorland. Thank you all! Bev Kirby ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

William was born in 1829, at Barton, Westmoreland, parents Joseph and mother Eleanor (Marston)would like to know her date of birth etc , & year of death etc. Other siblings of WILLIAM were Joseph born 1831 ( MY GG GRANDFATHER) WHO CAME TO AUSTRALIA IN 1862, As sisters, Isabella born in 1833 & Ellen born in 1837, info on all of these persons would be much appreciated. thank you, regards Ross Dobson. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 156 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi Kathy I have this lady in my tree, not a connected relative. I have had the same trouble finding her parents. I have found Agnes WHINN in Ingleton on the 1861 census as grand daughter. There is a Christopher WHINN listed but I can't make out if he is married or not on the census form. I have an Agness WINN aged 19yrs on the 1871 census General Servant to a Richard Shepherd's family at Caton. On the same census return is a Thomas SHUTTLEWORTH, aged 20 who I have as her husband married in 1874. I would be willing to share information if you wish to reply. Bob Owen Southport.

Hi Bob, Thanks! Another nice person, Eddie, from list gave me a couple of those too but maybe you have more in your tree to share. I had her in 1871 and 1881 both before and after marriage to Thomas Shuttleworth.   The census form  says he is unmarried but he is only 20 and she is 9 so I think possibly Eddie has it right that she may be the illegitimate daughter of one of two daughters an Ann Whinn. Do you have anything more about the Whinn family or the Shuttleworths? I am not sure if I have anything to share with you but If I do I will. Thanks again. Kathy Smith Sacramento,CA ________________________________ From: Robert Owen <robert.owen3@btinternet.com> To: eng-westmorland@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:40:21 AM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] Agnes Winn Ingleton Hi Kathy I have this lady in my tree, not a connected relative. I have had the same trouble finding her parents. I have found  Agnes WHINN in Ingleton on the 1861 census as grand daughter. There is a Christopher WHINN listed but I can't make out if he is married or not  on the census form. I have an Agness WINN aged 19yrs on the 1871 census General Servant to a Richard Shepherd's family at Caton. On the same census return is a Thomas SHUTTLEWORTH, aged 20  who I have as her husband married in 1874.  I would be willing to share information if you wish to reply. Bob Owen Southport. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-WESTMORLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>I am looking for parents for Agnes Winn born 1850 Ingleton York anyone know >who she belongs to?< Nearest I can find is this one. Ingleton is in the Settle reg. district: Births Mar 1852 Winn Agnes Settle 9a 10 Eddie

This the chap? >From 1901 census. John Winn (Mary) abt 1860 Westmorland, England Head Cwmdu, Glamorgan > Hello everyone I am new and searching John Winn born Westmorland England > in 1860 > Regards Wendy >

On the 1851 British Census, this looks like William b. 1829, Barton, Westmorland: HO 107; Piece: 2440: Folio: 177; Page 8 William DOBSON, age 22,Married, Farm Servant, b. abt. 1829 in Barton, Westmorland, England. He is living in the Village of Woodside, Brougham, Westmorland >>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Dobson" <rosmar@westnet.com.au<<<<<<<<<<<<

The 1851 British Census gives an approx. year of birth for Eleanor: If you would like the image of the census page, just let me know. Barb, Ontario, Canada. HO 107: Piece: 2440; Folio: 166; Page: 9 Joseph DOBSON, Head, age 52, b. abt. 1799 in Cliburn, Westmorland Eleanor DOBSON, Wife, age 55, b. abt. 1796,in Longwathby, Cumberland Joseph DOBSON, son, age 20, b. abt. 1831, Barton, Westmorland Isabella E. DOBSON, daughter, age 17, b. abt. 1834, Barton, Westmorland Ellen DOBSON, daughter, age 13, b. abt. 1838, Barton, Westmorland and Joseph senior's brother George DOBSON, brother, age 40, b. abt. 1811, Morland, Westmorland >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Dobson" <rosmar@westnet.com.au> To: <ENG-WESTMORLAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:12 AM Subject: [ENG-WESTMORLAND] William Dobson,etc<<<<<<

Hello I am new to the list. I am researching my family name and some direct descendants are from JOHN ENGLISH HOWDEN SNAITH (1852-1940) and JOSEPH MAIN SNAITH (1823-1901) who moved to Kendal from Barnard Castle. In a recent visit to Carlisle Record office I found the will of LAZARUS(1870-1940) a Cycle Dealer in Bowness and the Admin for HARRY(1858-1938) a Carpet Weaver in Kendal. I know that both the above had families most probably still in the area. I would be grateful to hear from anyone interested in the SNAITH families in these areas. Many thanks Brian Snaith Yoxall, Staffs.